Can we call it the Marquette rule?
Marquette fans won't forget it, and now the NCAA is poised to change the rules governing a player who is hurt and has to shoot free throws.
To recap: In the NCAA tournament game the Golden Eagles lost to Missouri this past season, Missouri was bringing the ball up court and ran the clock down to 19 seconds before Missouri coach Mike Anderson called a timeout.
When play resumed, the Tigers got the ball to J.T. Tiller, who after some dribbling went to the basket.
He drove and was fouled hard by Jerel McNeal. Tiller came up holding his right wrist. Anderson pulled Tiller, as the rules allow, and put in freshmen guard Kim English. English calmly hit both free throws, and Missouri went on to win, 83-79.
That was then. On Wednesday, the NCAA Men’s Basketball Rules Committees proposed a new rule. Under the proposal, if a player is fouled (without the foul being flagrant or intentional) and unable to attempt the free throws, the opposing coach will choose the player to attempt the free throws from the four remaining players on the court.
Would that have changed things?
The proposed rule will be sent out for comment among member schools and must be considered by the Playing Rules Oversight Panel before taking effect.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/44471687.html
Sorry, but he didn't "come up holding his right wrist." I just watched the replay once again -- he actually uses both hands to push himself up off the ground, and then starts walking toward the free throw line without holding his wrist.
Ths video cuts to a replay then, but Tiller didn't start writhing in pain until about 20 or 30 seconds later -- incidentally, right after Anderson yelled something to him from the bench.
The video doesn't lie....
I'm right there with you Gooooooooooooo....but some might say the surgeon doesn't lie either....
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/apr/08/tiller-undergoing-wrist-surgery/ (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/apr/08/tiller-undergoing-wrist-surgery/)
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 06, 2009, 02:23:43 PM
I'm right there with you Gooooooooooooo....but some might say the surgeon doesn't lie either....
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/apr/08/tiller-undergoing-wrist-surgery/ (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/apr/08/tiller-undergoing-wrist-surgery/)
Not debating that he had a broken wrist. My point is that he did not immediately came up writhing in pain, which of course casts doubt on whether the foul suddenly made him unable to play -- but only for an instant. Ask yourself this: if you just aggravated a broken wrist, do you think you'd push yourself up to your feet using both hands? Or would you do anything possible to avoid putting any pressure on the injured wrist?
So you can believe the video AND the surgeon....
As somebody who has also broken their wrist playing sports the pain doesn't always set in right away. I was hit by a pitch, breaking a bone in my wrist and proceeded to finish the half inning pain free before the pain set in. It is plausible that there was no pain until the adreniline died down.
I think the thing is that he hurt the wrist in a game against Texas, weeks before the game against Marquette. And then he was put back into the game before any game time had gone by (after Marquette took a timeout following English's 2 free throws).
They should adopt the NBA rule: if a player is too injured to shoot his free throws, his own coach selects the substitute from his bench, and the injured player is not allowed to re-enter the game. This rule came up in the Miami-Atlanta playoff series. I think it was Joe Johnson--he shot his own free throws so he would be eligible to play later, but as it turned out, his leg injury kept him out of the rest of the game.
Quote from: spartan3186 on May 06, 2009, 02:44:40 PM
As somebody who has also broken their wrist playing sports the pain doesn't always set in right away. I was hit by a pitch, breaking a bone in my wrist and proceeded to finish the half inning pain free before the pain set in. It is plausible that there was no pain until the adreniline died down.
And then after the pain did set in, you were ready to return to the game again...10 seconds later?
Sorry, but the fact that he he went from being fine...to total agony...to being fine again in less than a minute makes me not buy it.
IMO, the rule should be -
"If you are fouled, you shoot the free-throws - injury or no injury."
Any other rule will allow coaches to manipulate the game (please see jim calhoun).
Quote from: BrewCity on May 06, 2009, 03:51:14 PM
They should adopt the NBA rule: if a player is too injured to shoot his free throws, his own coach selects the substitute from his bench, and the injured player is not allowed to re-enter the game. This rule came up in the Miami-Atlanta playoff series. I think it was Joe Johnson--he shot his own free throws so he would be eligible to play later, but as it turned out, his leg injury kept him out of the rest of the game.
It was Al Horford but yup, I agree. The NCAA should adapt that rule.
yet MU fans had no problem with t he rule when we used to have Novak step up for people at shoot their free throws.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on May 06, 2009, 04:57:26 PM
yet MU fans had no problem with t he rule when we used to have Novak step up for people at shoot their free throws.
Do you have any examples where Novak came in and shot FTs for another player...who was waiting at the scorer's table to re-enter the game before Steve even took the shots?
The wrist injury wasn't from the foul. He had a hurt wrist going into the game. Therefore him not shooting was a complete joke.
I'm a diehard Marquette fan. Born in Milwaukee, went to MU followed the team since I was a child but you know what would help all of us in this situation? A big glass of Get-Over-It Juice.
Quote from: BrewCity on May 06, 2009, 03:51:14 PM
They should adopt the NBA rule: if a player is too injured to shoot his free throws, his own coach selects the substitute from his bench, and the injured player is not allowed to re-enter the game. This rule came up in the Miami-Atlanta playoff series. I think it was Joe Johnson--he shot his own free throws so he would be eligible to play later, but as it turned out, his leg injury kept him out of the rest of the game.
That rule would not matter much when there is only 5 seconds left in the game. The opposing coach being able to pick the player to shoot would end a potential abuse.
It was a charge anyway.
Quote from: sarcastro on May 06, 2009, 05:44:31 PM
I'm a diehard Marquette fan. Born in Milwaukee, went to MU followed the team since I was a child but you know what would help all of us in this situation? A big glass of Get-Over-It Juice.
+1
Seriously, this play was not the reason Marquette lost.
No. It was not the reason MU lost. But it is a crappy rule that coaches take advantage of and should be fixed before some team does lose because of it. And it left a bad taste in my mouth. For awhile. I'm over it now.