wants to address who is leaving or not showing up since we are one slot short?
I'm putting my money on the Venezuelan.
It has been addressed and I think the leading consensus is McMorrow. I find it hard to believe Cubes would leave with just one year left of eligibility and a terrible shooting season to sell to other schools. Besides trading Mbao for Cubes would leave us with just Acker, Cad, DJO and Buycks as true guards.
Furthermore, if it is another transfer, my guess is that it would have been announced already like Hazel's. I don't know what they would be waiting for however.
I agree with Wegrzyn. Unfortunately, it would make the most sense that we are replacing McMorrow with another big in Mbao, because he is unable to play. I'd really like to see both of them play, but I can't see us losing anyone else really.
If McMorrow is unable to play, and Mbao is his replacement, why not just announce it? What are they waiting for? We have 13 kids for 12 spots, everyone knows something has to give.
Cubby COULD head straight to pro ball in venezula. If he leaves I don't see a transer. (I don't think he is going anywhere--just a comment about his chance to play in Venezula).
My guess is that Buzz will wait until all players show up(Mbakwe last year). Then either McMorrow or Fulce's will be reclassified to non playing status. Based on what was said about Fulce last year, his injury will never heal. We do not know what is wrong with McMorrow. His playing status may depend on how he recuperates.
If Mbao is a partial qualifier, would he still count toward the # of schollies?
I think I read someone smarter than I who just said there are no partial qualifiers any more. You either do, or you don't.
The Big East does not allow partial qualifiers.
the big east does not allow what does not exist? there is no such thing anymore you either qualify or you dont. mbao will do another prep if eleigible or juco if he fails to qualify
Thanks for the clarifications.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 03, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
If McMorrow is unable to play, and Mbao is his replacement, why not just announce it? What are they waiting for? We have 13 kids for 12 spots, everyone knows something has to give.
Actually, we have 14 guys for 13 spots.
Liam McMorrow is not dead or dying. People need to back away from the cliff on this one.
Quote from: jficke13 on May 03, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Liam McMorrow is not dead or dying. People need to back away from the cliff on this one.
It's just what people are assuming, and as of now, it makes the most sense as to why we signed a guy the same height as him.
Quote from: jficke13 on May 03, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Liam McMorrow is not dead or dying. People need to back away from the cliff on this one.
It's simple math, we have one extra player for the spots available. Someone has to go. If you say we should back off McMorrow, then who is going?
I understand someone has to go, but I hesitate to speculate at this point. Everyone and their cousin could foresee Hazel going when Frozena got in for mop up time and Hazel stayed on the pine. The rest of the players contributed in some fashion to the team except for Liam. Everyone here takes Liam's phantom health issue to be incredibly serious when I am confident it's not. To me that puts me in a spot where I don't have the information necessary to predict who is going to leave.
Quote from: jficke13 on May 04, 2009, 06:34:15 AM
Everyone and their cousin could foresee Hazel going when Frozena got in for mop up time and Hazel stayed on the pine. The rest of the players contributed in some fashion to the team except for Liam.
Liam was a redshirt, how could he contribute in the first place?
Here is my fear, since everyone knows that someone has to get voted off the island, it could create a bad environment among the bottom half of the team (unless they all know who is going and are keeping quiet). It could be counterproductive in the long-run. So, make the announcement, let every know that are secure and give those that are moving on maximum time to make their future plans.
I mean a university had never given an athlete an academic scholarship to combat scholarship restrictions
Quote from: Marquette65 on May 03, 2009, 11:23:56 AM
How come no one wants to address who is leaving or not showing up since we are one slot short?
Yeah, and while we're at it, why doesn't anybody ever talk about Crean leaving and how Buzz was hired? Oh, and isn't it about time we stopped avoiding the Warriors vs. Golden Eagles subject? We need to address these things.
It seems to me that the "not enough scholarships" issue has been covered pretty exhaustively. Liam seems to be the odds-on favorite given his ill-defined medical condition. I think Coach Benford's comment in his interview with Roziak about Mbao was
very telling: "Our team is changing a little bit from the three-guard offense, and [Mbao] and Chris Otule will add size that we didn't have and can match up with other bigger people in this league." When you're talking about adding size and you don't mention one of your seven footers, that seems a bit odd.
Quote from: jficke13 on May 04, 2009, 06:34:15 AM
I understand someone has to go, but I hesitate to speculate at this point. Everyone and their cousin could foresee Hazel going when Frozena got in for mop up time and Hazel stayed on the pine. The rest of the players contributed in some fashion to the team except for Liam. Everyone here takes Liam's phantom health issue to be incredibly serious when I am confident it's not.
How do you know this? Just guessing?
MU is very limited at what they can say regarding his issue due to privacy concerns. The fact that the issue *hasn't* been refuted, despite comments by Rosiak in the MJS, means that there is likely something to it. Whether or not this issue will prevent him from playing or not is another matter.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 04, 2009, 06:48:14 AM
Liam was a redshirt, how could he contribute in the first place?
Here is my fear, since everyone knows that someone has to get voted off the island, it could create a bad environment among the bottom half of the team (unless they all know who is going and are keeping quiet). It could be counterproductive in the long-run. So, make the announcement, let every know that are secure and give those that are moving on maximum time to make their future plans.
My guess (and this is just a guess) is that the players know what is going on and who is on/off the roster for next season.
Quote from: 2002mualum on May 04, 2009, 09:23:08 AM
My guess (and this is just a guess) is that the players know what is going on and who is on/off the roster for next season.
Agreed.
Quote from: 2002mualum on May 04, 2009, 09:23:08 AM
My guess (and this is just a guess) is that the players know what is going on and who is on/off the roster for next season.
I do not believe this is the case.
If 12 or 13 players know, then assume that the managers, graduate assistants and trainers, their close friends and roomates also know. That is the way the world works. This means that potentially dozens would know.
If so, it would take exactly 10 minutes for someone to get it from one of them and post here or Rosiak to find out and post in the paper.
It is impossible to keep something like this a secret with that many people knowing. Since no one is saying anything, it must be that no one knows for sure.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 04, 2009, 11:05:54 AM
I do not believe this is the case.
If 12 or 13 players know, then assume that the managers, graduate assistants and trainers, their close friends and roomates also know. That is the way the world works. This means that potentially dozens would know.
If so, it would take exactly 10 minutes for someone to get it from one of them and post here or Rosiak to find out and post in the paper.
It is impossible to keep something like this a secret with that many people knowing. Since no one is saying anything, it must be that no one knows for sure.
Yea, I thought about that too... but I'm sure there are
SOME things that are kept inside of the team. I mean, we didn't hear about DJ coming back, and while nobody knew for sure if he could play, nobody leaked that he was working out with an outside chance of playing. (that's just one example).
I agree that sometimes stuff gets out, but I have to think that the organization (players, coaches, managers, etc.) is tight enough to keep some stuff private.
Rosiak might actually know, but might have been told off of the record. My guess is that Homer knows as well, but he's basically a MU employee, so you know he's not going to spill it.
Quote from: 2002mualum on May 04, 2009, 11:14:09 AM
Yea, I thought about that too... but I'm sure there are SOME things that are kept inside of the team. I mean, we didn't hear about DJ coming back, and while nobody knew for sure if he could play, nobody leaked that he was working out with an outside chance of playing. (that's just one example).
I agree that sometimes stuff gets out, but I have to think that the organization (players, coaches, managers, etc.) is tight enough to keep some stuff private.
Rosiak might actually know, but might have been told off of the record. My guess is that Homer knows as well, but he's basically a MU employee, so you know he's not going to spill it.
No one knew that DJ would play until 12 hours before the game. That is why it did not leak out.
Yes, everyone tries to keep things private, but that is not how the world works. These things ALWAYS leak out. If they do not, most likely it is because no one knows.
If Rosiak knows, I suggest he consider his longterm employment status and start "breaking news." He has to worry he will not be employed by next bball season. Will his paper even be publishing next season? (it was announced today that the Boston Globe will be closing)
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 04, 2009, 11:24:07 AM
No one knew that DJ would play until 12 hours before the game. That is why it did not leak out.
Yes, everyone tries to keep things private, but that is not how the world works. These things ALWAYS leak out. If they do not, most likely it is because no one knows.
If Rosiak knows, I suggest he consider his longterm employment status and start "breaking news." He has to worry he will not be employed by next bball season. Will his paper even be publishing next season? (it was announced today that the Boston Globe will be closing)
I hear you, I guess we will just agree to disagree. I bet there are some things on the team that don't "leak out". I realize that in every business/team information gets out, but I just don't think EVERYTHING gets out, ya know?
As far as Rosiak goes, (I've never worked in the newspaper business, so I don't know for sure) I thought it was common for beat writers close to the team (whether it be pro or college) to keep some things off of the record until an official release came out.
I mean, Rosiak might know, and could break the story... but then MU might not let him into practice anymore (or at games) and then Todd would definitely be out of a job.
Hard to be a beat writer when the school won't let you near the team.
Haven't some people on this board worked in newspaper sports? How does this type of stuff typically work?
Quote from: 2002mualum on May 04, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
I hear you, I guess we will just agree to disagree. I bet there are some things on the team that don't "leak out". I realize that in every business/team information gets out, but I just don't think EVERYTHING gets out, ya know?
As far as Rosiak goes, (I've never worked in the newspaper business, so I don't know for sure) I thought it was common for beat writers close to the team (whether it be pro or college) to keep some things off of the record until an official release came out.
I mean, Rosiak might know, and could break the story... but then MU might not let him into practice anymore (or at games) and then Todd would definitely be out of a job.
Hard to be a beat writer when the school won't let you near the team.
Haven't some people on this board worked in newspaper sports? How does this type of stuff typically work?
Breaking stories is sometimes a choice of personal ethics. Reporters may risk a story break if it means they'll keep their job longer/get paid more/get promoted. News is very cutthroat, and if there is a risk of downsizing or elimination of a print version of the media, a person getting that step up is invaluable. Though with Rosiak he'd be screwed to a wall if he broke a story about the team that he wouldn't be allowed to cover because of it. Though this is a hell of a newsworthy piece (we assume) so I can't see why Rosiak wouldn't report it. just for the sake of his job...maybe.
I agree that the odds on favorite is Liam (granted if it's not him, could you imagine Mbao and him on the court at the same time for the sake of defense? oh man) I tend to think it's not Liam b/c if he can lift then he's not as bad off as we think
My thoughts are
A) Liam (best argument)
b) Cubby (shoulders or pro ball for Hugo)
C) Fulce (knee?)
d) Player getting academic schollie
e) Mo (graduating, I still think I could be considered)
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 04, 2009, 11:24:07 AM
Yes, everyone tries to keep things private, but that is not how the world works. These things ALWAYS leak out. If they do not, most likely it is because no one knows.
Most likely someone, even the whole team knows. However, many people knew Hazel would be transferring after the school year. Most on the the board speculated that he would be leaving based on the fact he couldn't get off the bench. However, several people
knew weeks beforehand that he'd be gone, but it didn't leak.
So I think you're correct that someone always knows. But perhaps incorrect that it always leaks.
edit: yes, whoops, Hazel. Long week. What? It's only Monday? Crap!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 04, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
Most likely someone, even the whole team knows. However, many people knew Burke would be transferring after the school year. Most on the the board speculated that he would be leaving based on the fact he couldn't get off the bench. However, several people knew weeks beforehand that he'd be gone, but it didn't leak.
So I think you're correct that someone always knows. But perhaps incorrect that it always leaks.
Burke is transferring? ?-(
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 04, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
Most likely someone, even the whole team knows. However, many people knew Burke would be transferring after the school year. Most on the the board speculated that he would be leaving based on the fact he couldn't get off the bench. However, several people knew weeks beforehand that he'd be gone, but it didn't leak.
So I think you're correct that someone always knows. But perhaps incorrect that it always leaks.
Burke = Hazel?
There's also the chance that everyone on the team knows what
their status for next year is, but doesn't necessarily know who's going to free up the scholarship.
When it's all said and done, I suspect that there will have been far more discussion in speculating how the scholarship will be opened than after the story eventually comes out.
Quote from: Ari Gold on May 04, 2009, 05:01:16 PM
d) Player getting academic schollie
I don't think you can do this--otherwise it would be a common occurrence from teams who want to stockpile players, and it would make option a, b, and c irrelevant. If you can simply give a rostered player an academic scholarship, why would you even bother debating the alternatives? Give someone the academic, carry Liam, Cuby and Fulce on the small chance they might make some meaningful contribution, and call it a day.
More likely, MU would have to grant an
athletic scholarship in a sport
other than basketball--and even then that player wouldn't be allowed to even practice with the team. He would definitely lose a year of basketball eligibility.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 04, 2009, 05:35:52 PM
Burke is transferring? ?-(
Whoops. No. But I can guarantee you Burke is gone next year! :D
Quote from: dsfire on May 04, 2009, 05:38:15 PM
Burke = Hazel?
Yes. Sorry. Corrected.
I am sure no one is transferring or that would have been annouced by now. So that leaves 4 possiblities:
1. One of the seven recruits does not qualify. Do we know who has already qualified?
2. Culliban decides not to comeback.
3. McMorrow is reclassified as a non-player.
4. Fulce is reclassified as a non-player.
Once a player is reclassified as a non-player, I think they are off for good. Therefore, Buzz will only reclassify a player if he needs the scholarship. If everyone shows up, then he will have to choose between Fulce and McMorrow and that will depend on how each of them is doing at that point. Therefore do not expect an annoucement until late August or early September.
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 04, 2009, 06:35:33 PM
I don't think you can do this--otherwise it would be a common occurrence from teams who want to stockpile players, and it would make option a, b, and c irrelevant. If you can simply give a rostered player an academic scholarship, why would you even bother debating the alternatives? Give someone the academic, carry Liam, Cuby and Fulce on the small chance they might make some meaningful contribution, and call it a day.
More likely, MU would have to grant an athletic scholarship in a sport other than basketball--and even then that player wouldn't be allowed to even practice with the team. He would definitely lose a year of basketball eligibility.
RobFro is on academic schollie so I make that deduction that if he can do it...?
though bilsu's idea that one of our players doesn't qualify, it makes perfect sense why I got a new one. Though it'd be a crappy move to pull if we recruited X# of players and decide in august that one of those players will be cut.
Quote from: Ari Gold on May 04, 2009, 07:10:50 PM
RobFro is on academic schollie so I make that deduction that if he can do it...?
though bilsu's idea that one of our players doesn't qualify, it makes perfect sense why I got a new one. Though it'd be a crappy move to pull if we recruited X# of players and decide in august that one of those players will be cut.
The difference is that Frozena wasn't recruited as an athlete.
The NCAA bylaws has a chart on page 190 that defines who counts. Basically, if you were recruited as an athlete, receive aid, and participate in basketball, you count against scholarship limits.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Division_1_Manual_2008-09e9e568a1-c269-4423-9ca5-16d6827c16bc.pdf
(http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Division_1_Manual_2008-09e9e568a1-c269-4423-9ca5-16d6827c16bc.pdf)
Bilsu...I HIGHGLY doubt this lasts until August/September.
The coaches know what is happening, and the players involved know whats happening...thats all that matters.
We, as fans, will know in due time.
Also, regarding qualifying...as of now, technically NOBODY is qualifed...as their respective school years are not yet complete.
The reason that I'm confident that Liam McMorrow is not on the brink of death as is so commonly assumed is twofold. First, he has been working out with the team in the structured small group workouts as per NCAA summer-guidelines. Secondly, I talked to him at the gym where he then proceeded to put himself through a vigorous workout. If he had a heart condition that would threaten his career I'd be willing to bet he doesn't have the green light to strain his system away from the watchful eyes of team physicians and trainers.
If he's "voted off the island" it won't be because of his health.
Quote from: jficke13 on May 05, 2009, 10:42:08 AM
The reason that I'm confident that Liam McMorrow is not on the brink of death as is so commonly assumed is twofold. First, he has been working out with the team in the structured small group workouts as per NCAA summer-guidelines. Secondly, I talked to him at the gym where he then proceeded to put himself through a vigorous workout. If he had a heart condition that would threaten his career I'd be willing to bet he doesn't have the green light to strain his system away from the watchful eyes of team physicians and trainers.
If he's "voted off the island" it won't be because of his health.
It was Buzz that said in the beginning (and the last official word we got on the matter) that McMorrow had a career threatening health condition. That's the last we heard. Not that it was his heart or anything else, just that it was career threatening. Until I hear otherwise from a reputable source (no offense, but you are a stranger posting on the Internet ;p) I'm going to continue to assume that the issue hasn't been resolved, otherwise someone would have made a statement to quash the rumors.
One time honored PR ploy to maintain public interest is to pique people's imaginations and then give them no way of resolving the mystery. Watch Lost if you want an example.