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Price rose from under $1.0 million to $1.4 million.....so it was all about the money.

Atleast Crean didnt do THIS to us.

If there are any other good options let me know

And MU wouldn't pay him 1.4mil? If so, they're fools. Great career move to Tucson. I think he'll be mega-successful there.

I bet Miller had the decency to call his AD and players before he was named coach

Initial offer was $2 mill for 7 years and they went up from there. Hard to compete with that. It's a shame for X, but given their track record they'll hire yet another up and comer who will do a great job. They have a great team coming back next year, so it'll be a pretty attractive job.

I do not think money was the issue in not landing Tony Bennett or Sean Miller last year at MU.  At this point it is clear that either (1) one or both simply did not want to coach at MU or (2) we never really made a significant push to land them. 

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 06, 2009, 12:57:58 PM
And MU wouldn't pay him 1.4mil? If so, they're fools. Great career move to Tucson. I think he'll be mega-successful there.

Let's just be honest:

It doesn't matter how Miller handled it.

Some people would still say Crean is a d*ck and Miller is better guy.

That's just life.

Another Example:

Buzz could go on to win 400 games at MU, but some people would still dislike the "process" and bring it up every time another coach did well. "If the process was better, we could have gotten X".

Quote from: 2002mualum on April 06, 2009, 01:14:29 PM
Let's just be honest:

It doesn't matter how Miller handled it.

Some people would still say Crean is a d*ck and Miller is better guy.

That's just life.

Another Example:

Buzz could go on to win 400 games at MU, but some people would still dislike the "process" and bring it up every time another coach did well. "If the process was better, we could have gotten X".

What is worse is www.musketeermadness.com's ability to handle the situation.  Site has crashed, scoop survived the day, didn't it?

Quote from: Brew City on April 06, 2009, 01:43:22 PM
What is worse is www.musketeermadness.com's ability to handle the situation.  Site has crashed, scoop survived the day, didn't it?

Not especially shocking considering their previous high of 237 fans logged on at one time a few days ago. 

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 06, 2009, 12:57:58 PM
And MU wouldn't pay him 1.4mil? If so, they're fools. Great career move to Tucson. I think he'll be mega-successful there.

They're basically losing their whole team, and no top recruits for next year. I am not so sure that Arizona may be headed back to where it was before Lute. Arizona State, USC, Washington, and UCLA all seem to be better programs right now.

Quote from: indeelaw90 on April 06, 2009, 01:56:09 PM
They're basically losing their whole team, and no top recruits for next year. I am not so sure that Arizona may be headed back to where it was before Lute. Arizona State, USC, Washington, and UCLA all seem to be better programs right now.

Depends if Budinger, Wise and the other guy stay or leave.

Agreed. No telling what is going through their minds, but I have read that they are expected to leave.

2.4 million, not 1.4 - that makes a big difference.

Quote from: squirrel on April 06, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
2.4 million, not 1.4 - that makes a big difference.

Sorry. I had heard it over the radio, so probably just misheard it. Thought it was a little odd being so low.

Quote from: indeelaw90 on April 06, 2009, 01:56:09 PM
They're basically losing their whole team, and no top recruits for next year. I am not so sure that Arizona may be headed back to where it was before Lute. Arizona State, USC, Washington, and UCLA all seem to be better programs right now.

Miller is getting a lot of money, but it comes with some definite baggage.  As Indy indicates the power in the Pac 10 is shifting.  Lute could always count on cherry picking Washington state, but with Romar (and Mark Few) firmly established those days are over.  USC and UCLA are both in great shape and Sendak has ASU on a major upswing.  He is going to struggle getting the program up to an elite level, and the fan base probably won't be very patient.

Quote from: PJDunn on April 06, 2009, 02:29:43 PM
Miller is getting a lot of money, but it comes with some definite baggage.  As Indy indicates the power in the Pac 10 is shifting.  Lute could always count on cherry picking Washington state, but with Romar (and Mark Few) firmly established those days are over.  USC and UCLA are both in great shape and Sendak has ASU on a major upswing.  He is going to struggle getting the program up to an elite level, and the fan base probably won't be very patient.

I think Miller will do well.  AZ can recruit the Southwest and MidWest far more easily than the other PAC-10 teams.  I say that AZ will emerge just fine, especially if the seniors-to-be stick around.

Quote from: CAINMUTINY on April 06, 2009, 01:01:25 PM
I bet Miller had the decency to call his AD and players before he was named coach

Who cares, at the end of the day he's not their coach anymore.  The players lose their coach as does the university.

Yes, it would have been nice and appropriate for Crean to have called.  He didn'.  He didn't honor his contract and neither did Sean Miller.  Just as I'm sure the New Orleans fans wish their previous coach had honored his contract.

If they have buyouts, how are they not honoring their contracts?

Quote from: PE8983 on April 06, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
If they have buyouts, how are they not honoring their contracts?

If a school wanted to say a coach couldn't leave, they could.  No one does anymore because they're all so worried about the ramifications it presents.  The contracts have become one sided.  The coach can leave whenever he wants in theory because the schools don't stop it.  Yet if the coach is fired with years remaining on the deal, the coach sure as heck wants to collect on those years.


Ultimately, I just find the double standard here kind of funny.  People are all in a bunch about whether someone said they were leaving or not yet our current coach left his previous school in a complete lurch.  I totally agree that Crean handled it in a piss poor fashion.  I also believe Buzz had some sincere reasons for leaving New Orleans.  But the net effect is the same, it leaves the school, players, administrators in a tough spot.  For some reason it's not treated that way here which I find more than a little ironic.

Crean was far worse. He should have moved on 5 years earlier. Instead, he remained at MU like a fly in the ointment.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 06, 2009, 04:07:31 PM
Crean was far worse. He should have moved on 5 years earlier. Instead, he remained at MU like a fly in the ointment.

Perhaps, but what about MU's hiring prowess makes you think we would have landed someone specatular in 2003?  One could argue that if Crean left, it would have been after only 4 years and continued a trend of having coaches last 5 years or less going on 5 straight coaches.

Though Cords would have been more involved (Cords was involved with the Buzz hiring as well to some extent), so at least there would be some level of confidence.


Besides, without that last 5 years you would have missed out on James, McNeal, Matthews, Hayward.  Who knows if Novak transfers after his freshman year.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 06, 2009, 04:07:31 PM
Crean was far worse. He should have moved on 5 years earlier. Instead, he remained at MU like a fly in the ointment.

Please see my post above.

::)

The playing surface has changed. If you are wiling to pay, anyone can be bought.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 06, 2009, 04:25:21 PM
The playing surface has changed. If you are wiling to pay, anyone can be bought.

Are we willing to pay?

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 06, 2009, 04:32:47 PM
Are we willing to pay?

I am not even sure it comes down to money with us. MU was willing to pony up. Crean felt he had a better shot at IU and he may very well be right. I think MU will pay, the question is are there any takers? Certainly did not seem like it last year when Tom bolted. MU hiring assistants does not send the message that we want to be an "elite" program.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 06, 2009, 04:32:47 PM
Are we willing to pay?

If MU isn't willing to pay, then the category of mid major fits like a glove.

I envision one day there will be a thread that doesn't turn into Chicos vs. 4ever/MR. HAYWARD. I have a dream.

We (4ever and I) were having a polite discussion actually.  No yelling, no insults....just asking questions on a message board.

I think Huggins was the worst but I think it depends which leaving you mean.  I am considering how he embarassed Cin. as an institution.  If you mean K St., then Tommy leaving us would be next.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 07, 2009, 12:01:55 AM
We (4ever and I) were having a polite discussion actually.  No yelling, no insults....just asking questions on a message board.

Never said there was any yelling or insults. Just a little tiresome to read the same predictable arguments on a bunch of the same threads.

For the record, the consensus is that Hill (that other guy who will probably be a lottery pick) and Budinger will be leaving, and that Wise will throw his name into the ring but not hire an agent, so probably just Wise back from that threesome next year.