You guys almost pulled it out again. Some real heartbreak hotel losses down the stretch.
Time to reload Buzz!!!
"Almost good enough" is the way this senior class will be remembered.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 22, 2009, 07:05:56 PM
"Almost good enough" is the way this senior class will be remembered.
I certainly have strong opinions, which I share, but your comment here is cold, unfair and unnecessarily insulting.
As I have posted here previously, this Marquette team would have been a national power had it had a "B+" or even a "B" big man.
We gave up too much to every team that had a big man who could actually score, handle the ball and rebound.
It's just unfortunate that the big 3 never made it past the first weekend.
This was an incredibly entertaining year. A great, great ride. Thank you seniors.
because obviously 3 nba prospects isn't enough to get into the sweet 16. stop playing the big man card. with a big man we could be a 1 seed. without it we are packing after one game. see a gap there?
Quote from: mubball2009 on March 22, 2009, 07:16:56 PM
because obviously 3 nba prospects isn't enough to get into the sweet 16. stop playing the big man card. with a big man we could be a 1 seed. without it we are packing after one game. see a gap there?
We simply need to go down the street to the Big and Tall man store and get us one of them. They're a dime a dozen, super easy to sign. I'll bet Buzz has 6 of them on the squad by next year. If not, we can always sign some absolute stiffs that get offers from Viterbo and Loyola-Chicago which should do the trick.
Quote from: mubball2009 on March 22, 2009, 07:16:56 PM
because obviously 3 nba prospects isn't enough to get into the sweet 16. stop playing the big man card. with a big man we could be a 1 seed. without it we are packing after one game. see a gap there?
I have read your post above at least five times and have no idea what it means.
Care to clarify?
Also, does unintelligible writing such as this fly at Marquette these days? I hope not.
It means stop making excuses for a group of great players who never made it to the second weekend of the tournament.
Quote from: MU Avenue on March 22, 2009, 07:14:02 PM
I certainly have strong opinions, which I share, but your comment here is cold, unfair and unnecessarily insulting.
As I have posted here previously, this Marquette team would have been a national power had it had a "B+" or even a "B" big man.
We gave up too much to every team that had a big man who could actually score, handle the ball and rebound.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 22, 2009, 07:05:56 PM
"Almost good enough" is the way this senior class will be remembered.
I'll defend Marquette_g. I think he's exactly right. It's the ultimate "sad but true." I think we all love those 4 kids and how hard they played for our entertainment. But in the end .. just never quite were good enough to win huge March games in the final seconds. They are one of the top classes of all time, but have little, besides the side-show of BE wins, to show for it.
And remember, no one gets any pleasure from saying that. It's heartbreaking, knowing what great young men these guys are.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2009, 07:36:11 PM
I'll defend Marquette_g. I think he's exactly right. It's the ultimate "sad but true." I think we all love those 4 kids and how hard they played for our entertainment. But in the end .. just never quite were good enough to win huge March games in the final seconds. They are one of the top classes of all time, but have little, besides the side-show of BE wins, to show for it.
And remember, no one gets any pleasure from saying that. It's heartbreaking, knowing what great young men these guys are.
Thank you, this says what I believe in a more eloquent manner.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 22, 2009, 07:32:55 PM
It means stop making excuses for a group of great players who never made it to the second weekend of the tournament.
Why didn't you just say that the first time?
I think your analysis is overly simplistic by ignoring the huge fact that Marquette has gone years without a big man who can actually make things happen on the court.
That is not "playing the big man card."
It is acknowledging the truth.
Quote from: mubball2009 on March 22, 2009, 07:16:56 PM
because obviously 3 nba prospects isn't enough to get into the sweet 16. stop playing the big man card. with a big man we could be a 1 seed. without it we are packing after one game. see a gap there?
If the last couple of weeks have shown us nothing its that the James-less Marquette team is not one of the "Top 16" teams in the country. The losses to Villanova, Syracuse and now Mizzou are pretty clear evidence of that. Not coincidentally, all of those teams were 3 seeds in the NCAA tournament. All three of those teams are Top 10-15 teams in the country. They were in position to win all of those games, but in the end, on every occasion, they lost to a better team.
MU is a good team, but they are obviously a notch below the teams listed above. Guess what...they were in position to win all three and had they won, one, two or even three of those games, they would be one of the top 15 teams in the country and probably would be in the Sweet 16, but they didn't. They stepped over the inbound line, not their opponent. They gave up a layup with no time left on the clock, not their opponent. They failed to get a shot off, etc. etc. etc. They didn't make the plays, and their opponents did. That's why MU is a Top 20-25 team, and nothing more. That's why they were a 6 seed and not a 3 seed. That's why Mizzou is going to the Sweet 16 and not MU.
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that MU "should be" in the Sweet 16. They are what they are. Well, they were what they were.
Quote from: MU Avenue on March 22, 2009, 07:38:52 PM
Why didn't you just say that the first time?
I think your analysis is overly simplistic by ignoring the huge fact that Marquette has gone years without a big man who can actually make things happen on the court.
That is not "playing the big man card."
It is acknowledging the truth.
I didn't say that the first time because the post in question was not mine.
I'm typing on a cell phone stephen hawking. I can also guarantee that marquette is in much better academic standing now then whenever you went here, assuming you did.
my post was in reference to blame being pointed towards our lack of big man. we have more talent (3 nba prospects) than we have materialized. a lack of a ceneter is no excuse for the lack of success this supremely talented group has had.
if you want me to break that down further for you, let me know.
enough of this james less marquette bs. jimmy butler plus mo acker more outweighed what dom left out.
Like it or not, "Almost good enough" is honest. Using the Bill Parcells logic, our record is what it says we are. Almost good enough for the sweet 16.
Quote from: mubball2009 on March 22, 2009, 07:47:28 PM
enough of this james less marquette bs. jimmy butler plus mo acker more outweighed what dom left out.
So your position is what, that Mu should be a Top 15 team? Top 10 team? What? Any evidence you have to support that position would be great.
BTW, by definition, your position based on that statement is that MU should be better than they were before James got hurt. Just so you know they were 11-2 in the Big East and ranked number 10 in the country when he got hurt. So you are saying that right now, they are a Top 10 team. Is that correct?
Quote from: mubball2009 on March 22, 2009, 07:47:28 PM
enough of this james less marquette bs. jimmy butler plus mo acker more outweighed what dom left out.
is this supposed to be in teal?
As this season comes to an end, I am of course disappointed with the outcome, but am extremely honored by the way this senior class represented this University. All 4 will be able to graduate with a degree, and that is worth way more than a trip to the sweet 16. There have been a lot of ups and downs for this team, but I believe they will do great things outside of Marquette's four walls. Just remember, D wade wasn't as great as he is now when he was at Marquette. I find it hard to imagine next year without James, McNeal and Matthews. What a great group of guys that are extremely talented and true team players. Thank you seniors!!!
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2009, 07:36:11 PM
I'll defend Marquette_g. I think he's exactly right. It's the ultimate "sad but true." I think we all love those 4 kids and how hard they played for our entertainment. But in the end .. just never quite were good enough to win huge March games in the final seconds. They are one of the top classes of all time, but have little, besides the side-show of BE wins, to show for it.
And remember, no one gets any pleasure from saying that. It's heartbreaking, knowing what great young men these guys are.
Well said. It was fun to watch them play, they were entertaining, they were great players and have left many memories. However, I don't think many of us would have predicted over the past four years that they would have never made it to the sweet 16 during their careers, despite being well aware of the shortcomings of the roster.
Quote from: chapman on March 22, 2009, 08:12:38 PM
However, I don't think many of us would have predicted over the past four years that they would have never made it to the sweet 16 during their careers, despite being well aware of the shortcomings of the roster.
True, but things changed drastically on Fenbruary 25th. I am 100% convinced they would have a game this week if James doesn't get hurt.
Quote from: MU Avenue on March 22, 2009, 07:14:02 PM
I certainly have strong opinions, which I share, but your comment here is cold, unfair and unnecessarily insulting.
As I have posted here previously, this Marquette team would have been a national power had it had a "B+" or even a "B" big man.
We gave up too much to every team that had a big man who could actually score, handle the ball and rebound.
I could not agree more. Burke is barely a D interior player. His inability to finish tonight killed us, as well as his inability to defend, catch the ball, etc.
I know we were right there in several games down the stretch and blew them all, and that isn't Burke's fault, but if we had just one non-horrible 6-9 guy these games wouldn't have been close at the end.
Bottom line is that this is a very talented and classy group of guys. Just not tall enough and long enough. but, thats not their fault. This is an enormously special group that will always have a a very warm spot in my heart. And, i've been watchighing our guys since 1960.