The last 12 seconds speak volumes. He misses the shot, and then does not play defense. His guy scores!!!!!
McNeal lost this game for MU!!!!!!
You are an idiot
McNeal definitely lost this game for us, we had it. put that ball in jimmy's hands the way he was playing today or Wes's hands. terrible.
He maybe didn't lose the game for the team, but his 4-16 shooting and out of control style play was ineffective today.
I was more ticked about his taking a 23-footer with 20 seconds on the shot clock with 45 seconds to go. The drive was way too early (you make that move with eight seconds left, not 18) but at least he got near the rim.
Real tough loss...Yes
Missed Layup...Yes
Jerel's man scored...Yes
Sucks...Yes
BUT Mcneal led us for 4 long years and I would trust the game in his hands any day of the week. He's the best defender in the league, arguable the best player in the league untill DJ's injury so Lay off...Great comeback from a horrible half and we still got the tourney!!!! GO MARQUETTE
Mcneal jacking up a three pointer with a lot of time left on the clock then forgetting to play defense - yeah lets hear it for him >:( >:(
Quote from: cirella09 on March 12, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
Real tough loss...Yes
Missed Layup...Yes
Jerel's man scored...Yes
Sucks...Yes
BUT Mcneal led us for 4 long years and I would trust the game in his hands any day of the week. He's the best defender in the league, arguable the best player in the league untill DJ's injury so Lay off...Great comeback from a horrible half and we still got the tourney!!!! GO MARQUETTE
He hasn't been the best defender in the league in years. In fact his defense has slipped quite a bit since his sophomore year and he isn't even the best defender on the team anymore.
As much as I love Mcneal, It's pretty safe to say that he blew that game.
For a really good basketball player McNeal sure has a low basketball iq sometimes.
And why do people keep saying he is one of the best defenders in the league? He is a really good help side defender but is only average (if not below average) on the ball defender.
I'm glad he's on MU but he needs to play within himself for MU to make a run in the tourney.
that's the thing...he isn't the best defender in the league..
he got mesmorized by the ball and cost us the game, and probably a 5 seed.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 12, 2009, 03:52:21 PM
He maybe didn't lose the game for the team, but his 4-16 shooting and out of control style play was ineffective today.
+1. Another poor shooting performance, mostly consisting of drives in the middle of the lane against four guys. Instead of trying to run the offense with under a minute left he hogs the ball and puts up a contested three. Then he drives with under 20 to go when there is no room, falls out of bounds, comes back and completely forgets his guy. Len Elmore was actually right: the reason we came back was that other players (Butler and Acker) were allowed to get involved in the game. When the ball hogging started back up we had a couple of pathetic possessions.
McNeal is pushing too hard. Reminds me of James in his Sophomore year, taking poor shots, driving on three defenders, and playing half-assed defense. Not sure where his head is at?
McNeal has been horrible since DJ went down. Great players make great plays. He's not one of them.
Jerel leads the team in steals, blocks, and is 3rd on the team in defensive rebounds...Does it really sounds like he's slipping? The only reason he hasn't won Def Player of the Yr is because a 7'3" Monster known as Thabeet is now in the league as well
I am more pissed at his horrible defense... Just watching the dribble and letting his man walk to the hoop and make an easy lay up for the win.... wow
I am in absolute shock
After today, I don't EVER want to see McNeal handling the ball with the game on the line. EVER. Anybody but him, his decision making is AWFUL.
I hope the NBA scouts have not been watching him the last five games, cause he is really hurting his draft status big time.
We have lived and died with him, mainly lived and I have enjoyed. But today, we died.
Buzz probably should cut him.
The last three was a terrible shot.
I watched the final drive five times on my DVR. He got fouled. Not even close.
Right - McNeal is playing like DJ was his senior year. Taking bad shots and putting himself ahead of the team. I'm tired of feeling bad for these guys when they lose. McNeal needs to understand its about Marquette, not about McNeal.
With 20 seconds left, Buzz should have had someone else playing point. McNeal made bad decisions against Syracuse and all day today, including the 3 with 40 secs left.
Well, the lane opened up and he took it. If he wasn't fouled he probably could have made it. The refs didn't call it, but he was fouled.
You all are talking about the BIG EAST 2007 Defensive Player of the Year!!!
Just remember, DJ is a cancer.
Why does JM feel the need to go Wardle on us? Wardle had to shoot everytime b/c that's all we had. Does Jerel not realize that counting Butler he is always on the court with 3 solid Big East players?
It's the loss of DJ, period. We've never had to have McNeal be a PG really, and he's trying way too much to get it done himself which results in losing the ball, taking bad shots and not finding his teammates quite enough. While he's great and I love him on our team, he messed up at the end regardless of what people say. It sucks, but James was glue that held our team together in these situations this year, and it's clearly showing.
I'm not going to blame mcneal or anyone else on the team for the loss. We lost as a team.
Mcneal should of waited for another 5 seconds and threw something up with 7 seconds left. If there is a rebound we have a slim chance at getting it, but 2 seconds come off the clock. I dont think any teams can go the entire floor with 3 or 4 seconds and make a game winning basket. And if they can, well they deserve to win.
Quote from: cirella09 on March 12, 2009, 04:02:25 PM
Jerel leads the team in steals, blocks, and is 3rd on the team in defensive rebounds...Does it really sounds like he's slipping? The only reason he hasn't won Def Player of the Yr is because a 7'3" Monster known as Thabeet is now in the league as well
Watch him play instead of looking just at the stats, because they don't tell the whole story. His on ball defense has not been the same since his sophomore year, and the last part of this year it's been terrible. He is routinely getting beat off the bounce, he's getting caught playing too far off his man, he's not coming around screens quickly enough or closing enough to stop open shots.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 12, 2009, 03:52:21 PM
He maybe didn't lose the game for the team, but his 4-16 shooting and out of control style play was ineffective today.
+1
And the blown d and early shot aren't necessarily the proverbial whipped cream and cherry.
To play that hard and lose on a blown defensive assignment is gut wrenching!
Quote from: bma725 on March 12, 2009, 04:26:38 PM
Watch him play instead of looking just at the stats, because they don't tell the whole story. His on ball defense has not been the same since his sophomore year, and the last part of this year it's been terrible. He is routinely getting beat off the bounce, he's getting caught playing too far off his man, he's not coming around screens quickly enough or closing enough to stop open shots.
I've noticed that almost every game this year. A bunch of times today he got owned by Stokes. Disappointing. Here's hoping for a rejuvenated Jerel for the tourney.
Stokes simply owned Jerel, Jerel is not as good a defender as Wesley, Butler or DJ..he is at best the 4th best defender on our team. Do you people not see the montage they put together of Corey Stokes scoring his 20 points, he absolutely beat jerel like a rented Mule on every single play including jerels retarded and now a once a agme habit of pouling a three point shooter. One more game and I neve rhave too watch the worst basketball IQ in ther history of Mu basketball again
And to make everyone's day, Jerel named a finalist this afternoon for the National Player of the Year Wooden Award.
Quote from: cirella09 on March 12, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
BUT Mcneal led us for 4 long years and I would trust the game in his hands any day of the week. He's the best defender in the league, arguable the best player in the league untill DJ's injury so Lay off...Great comeback from a horrible half and we still got the tourney!!!! GO MARQUETTE
Lead us for 4 years - NO (I believe we had an NBA caliber senior for his first year)
Trust the game in his hands - Uh, did you just watch the same game I did??
Best defender in the league - Not even close this year
Best player before DJ's injury - The best player in the BE isn't reliant on his point guard to make plays and/or the team better
I have been extremely disappointed in McNeal's play. He's pressing, not playing team ball and not making good decisions. I'm not extremely old school, but something as simple as hustling back on defense after he commits a turnover is lacking. I understand he plays big minutes and is a senior, and it sound elementary, but his on the court attitude stinks. I was never a huge fan of DJ's play, but he always played defense and hustled no matter how his shot was falling. I hope he get's his head out of his @$$ and get back to the old Jerel, but he and Wes have struggled, and that's going to make winning any game tough.
Wes hasn't any shots, but he's been aggressive both on defense and especially rebounding.
McNeal has been anything but a leader. He's assumed the leadership position, but he's not acting like a leader.
Quote from: Norm on March 12, 2009, 04:05:40 PM
Well, the lane opened up and he took it. If he wasn't fouled he probably could have made it. The refs didn't call it, but he was fouled.
Oh brother...
He wasn't fouled. He made two bonehead plays in the last 15 seconds of the game. More should be expected from a senior.
QuoteFor a really good basketball player McNeal sure has a low basketball iq sometimes.
How true. The SU game is another example. A bad three at the end of regulation. A foul/turnover in OT. Now today. I love how he controled the ball like he is Kobe or something.
Why isn't Buzz reminding them to play smart?
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 12, 2009, 07:32:44 PM
Why isn't Buzz reminding them to play smart?
And why didn't any of the four Packer coaches during Farve's tenure remind him not to throw interceptions...
a couple of days ago, I got blasted for pointing out that when JM attempts more than 30% of the team total shot MU loses. Well today he was way over 30% and guess what YES another heart brreaking loss. So what do those that blasted me now have to say?
Did anyone else notice that Wes looked over to see who got beat on the last basket? He didn't say anything but you know he was pissed.
I think a few players looked over pissed that you get beat on a layup for the win. A layup? Come on now. I just don't understand the decision making and the lack of defense. Man - ball, man - ball. The best defender doesn't give up layups for wins. The best defender doesn't get crossed over, crumpled, and pointed at by Price of UConn for a jumper on ESPN.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 12, 2009, 07:32:44 PM
How true. The SU game is another example. A bad three at the end of regulation. A foul/turnover in OT. Now today. I love how he controled the ball like he is Kobe or something.
Why isn't Buzz reminding them to play smart?
You think JM made those bonehead plays because Buzz forgot to tell him to play smart? I would wager coaches have been telling Jerel that since 4th grade. He doesn't get it, never has, never will. Great skills, great work ethic, low bb IQ.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 12, 2009, 07:16:19 PM
Lead us for 4 years - NO (I believe we had an NBA caliber senior for his first year)
Trust the game in his hands - Uh, did you just watch the same game I did??
Best defender in the league - Not even close this year
Best player before DJ's injury - The best player in the BE isn't reliant on his point guard to make plays and/or the team better
I have been extremely disappointed in McNeal's play. He's pressing, not playing team ball and not making good decisions. I'm not extremely old school, but something as simple as hustling back on defense after he commits a turnover is lacking. I understand he plays big minutes and is a senior, and it sound elementary, but his on the court attitude stinks. I was never a huge fan of DJ's play, but he always played defense and hustled no matter how his shot was falling. I hope he get's his head out of his @$$ and get back to the old Jerel, but he and Wes have struggled, and that's going to make winning any game tough.
Yes, he's pressing but did you forget the Stanford game last year? I recall somebody keeping that MU team in the game...could have swore he wore 22.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 12, 2009, 07:32:44 PM
Why isn't Buzz reminding them to play smart?
I'm sure Buzz is. But let's be realistic, he's a 4 year starting senior. If he hasn't learned these game situations by now, the odds are he probably will never will, no matter what the coaches tell him.
You can sit him when he's a freshman or sophomore and doing this stuff. But what do you have to gain at this point by doing it, when he only has a handful of games left in his career?
Buzz and the coaches can only tell them when to shoot on the shot clock or where to be on defense. Ultimately, it's on the player(s) to execute the coaches strategy and play with the basic fundamentals they have been taught since they were 5. And Jerel failed to do that today, plain and simple.
We all knew going into this season we were going to live and die at the hands of the seniors. We've done a lot of living with them. Unfortunately, we've been dying a little too much lately at crunch time.
Quote from: The General on March 13, 2009, 02:01:06 AM
I'm sure Buzz is. But let's be realistic, he's a 4 year starting senior. If he hasn't learned these game situations by now, the odds are he probably will never will, no matter what the coaches tell him.
You can sit him when he's a freshman or sophomore and doing this stuff. But what do you have to gain at this point by doing it, when he only has a handful of games left in his career?
Buzz and the coaches can only tell them when to shoot on the shot clock or where to be on defense. Ultimately, it's on the player(s) to execute the coaches strategy and play with the basic fundamentals they have been taught since they were 5. And Jerel failed to do that today, plain and simple.
We all knew going into this season we were going to live and die at the hands of the seniors. We've done a lot of living with them. Unfortunately, we've been dying a little too much lately at crunch time.
You hit it right on the head here. Everytime I see the last play I wince because it was *so* fundamentally bad. I mean, I get pissed at my son's sixth grade team when they do that - you should be able to point to the ball and your man at all times.
Quote from: Marquette65 on March 12, 2009, 10:01:42 PM
a couple of days ago, I got blasted for pointing out that when JM attempts more than 30% of the team total shot MU loses. Well today he was way over 30% and guess what YES another heart brreaking loss. So what do those that blasted me now have to say?
You must have paid him off to go in the tank to prove your point. JM has always been a "take the good with the bad" kind of player, with the good usually outweighing the bad. That can't be said of late. That last minute yesterday was about as bad from a decision making standpoint as I've seen, particularly b/c it was multiple mistakes and not just one boneheaded play.