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Title: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: 79Warrior on March 04, 2009, 08:28:02 PM

at so high an energy level. Thses guys will be gased completely in the BE tourney. Buzz has got to rotate some bodies and at least give them a few minutes rest. We just have nothing left in the second half.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2009, 08:41:49 PM
Yup....been saying this for 3 months now.  Buzz said the other day that Fulce is healthy but missed too much time.  Same for Otule....I don't know, I'd say you have to get them in at some point whether they have missed time or not.

Hazel.....is he on the team anymore?
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: g0ldmember42 on March 04, 2009, 08:44:07 PM
I am so glad you brought up Hazel...not a big threat in the paint, but definitely uses his body better than Burke down low...and he is good for a few fouls. Been wondering where he's been the last several games of the season. Even before James got hurt. There is no way small ball can beat a big team like PITT or UCONN. No way.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: Norm on March 04, 2009, 08:48:10 PM
I cringed listening to the press conference the other day when he said he prefers to play his best players most of the time. This was also a knock against him at New Orleans - that he only played 6-7 players. I really hope this is a one-year thing with Buzz at MU. He really needs to develop a decent bench to stay competitive in the Big East.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2009, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: g0ldmember42 on March 04, 2009, 08:44:07 PM
I am so glad you brought up Hazel...not a big threat in the paint, but definitely uses his body better than Burke down low...and he is good for a few fouls. Been wondering where he's been the last several games of the season. Even before James got hurt. There is no way small ball can beat a big team like PITT or UCONN. No way.

I wouldn't say no way.  Pitt was actually BIGGER the last two years and we beat them both years.  We were 2-1 against UCONN the last three years until this season.  In each case, we've never been big or had any type of stud low post presence.

I don't know what Hazel did to get in Buzz's doghouse but he's clearly buried in there.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: downtown85 on March 04, 2009, 08:51:28 PM
I agree with the sentiment of this thread. The rotation needs to expand a bit. Fulce, Hazel and/or could provide some minutes for sure at this point.  

However, we just lost to potentially 3 number 1 seeds in the last 3 games.  We knew this stretch would be tough. Even if this was done, I am not sure the results would have been different.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: g0ldmember42 on March 04, 2009, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: g0ldmember42 on Today at 08:44:07 PM
I am so glad you brought up Hazel...not a big threat in the paint, but definitely uses his body better than Burke down low...and he is good for a few fouls. Been wondering where he's been the last several games of the season. Even before James got hurt. There is no way small ball can beat a big team like PITT or UCONN. No way.

I wouldn't say no way.  Pitt was actually BIGGER the last two years and we beat them both years.  We were 2-1 against UCONN the last three years until this season.  In each case, we've never been big or had any type of stud low post presence.
I don't know what Hazel did to get in Buzz's doghouse but he's clearly buried in there.

**okay, let me be a little more specific then. There is NO WAY we can play small ball with a well balanced team like PITT and UCONN who can play the INSIDE and OUTSIDE game. There has to be some inside force...even if it is someone like Hazel.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: g0ldmember42 on March 04, 2009, 09:00:28 PM
Ousmane Barro would also have something to say regarding his role of the "inside presence" at Marquette while he was here. So in fact, we actually did have inside presence when we played PITT and UCONN last few years. We used to be better balanced.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: NavinRJohnson on March 04, 2009, 09:11:06 PM
The fact that Patrick Hazel is even being disucssed as a possible solution to some of our inside/depth problems, should really say all that needs to be said about why have little chance to beat teams like UConn, UL, and Pitt. Do you guys listen to yourselves?
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: g0ldmember42 on March 04, 2009, 09:13:27 PM
If we all listened to ourselves there would be no need for a message board, now would there???!! HA! Why are you even posting if it is so obvious? nowhere in these messages has ANYONE ever stated that Hazel would be a SOLUTION to our inside game. Paaaaalease.  Don't be a hater.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: NavinRJohnson on March 04, 2009, 09:18:37 PM
Quote from: g0ldmember42 on March 04, 2009, 09:13:27 PM
nowhere in these messages has ANYONE ever stated that Hazel would be a SOLUTION to our inside game. Paaaaalease.  Don't be a hater.

And nowhere did I say anyone had said that.

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 04, 2009, 09:11:06 PM
The fact that Patrick Hazel is even being disucssed as a possible solution to some of our inside/depth problems, should really say all that needs to be said about why have little chance to beat teams like UConn, UL, and Pitt.

People have suggested that though....you included...

Quote from: g0ldmember42 on March 04, 2009, 08:58:36 PM

There has to be some inside force...even if it is someone like Hazel.

Quote from: downtown85 on March 04, 2009, 08:51:28 PM
Fulce, Hazel and/or could provide some minutes for sure at this point.  


Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: g0ldmember42 on March 04, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
Correct. I did say "even if it is someone like Hazel" 

  You stated "
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 04, 2009, 09:11:06 PM
The fact that Patrick Hazel is even being disucssed as a possible solution to some of our inside/depth problems, should really say all that needs to be said about why have little chance to beat teams like UConn, UL, and Pitt. Do you guys listen to yourselves?

SOME inside force is not the same as the SOLUTION to our inside woes!
Get it???!! I'm over this whole thing now. You are just wasting my enegy. But, I guess you have to comment somewhere to get to your status...even if it doesn't make sense. Thank you for allowing me to increase my status!
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: 79Warrior on March 04, 2009, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: Norm on March 04, 2009, 08:48:10 PM
I cringed listening to the press conference the other day when he said he prefers to play his best players most of the time. This was also a knock against him at New Orleans - that he only played 6-7 players. I really hope this is a one-year thing with Buzz at MU. He really needs to develop a decent bench to stay competitive in the Big East.


I would love to know why, when this game was clearly out of hand, Wes and Jerel were still playing? Buzz has got to be kidding, why not just kill those two. Stupid decision in my opinion.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: Daniel on March 04, 2009, 10:03:52 PM
Our lack of bench is killing us. Period.  The fact we can't sub in players is running our tough warriors ragged.  They sputter out in the last 10 minutes against tough, atheletic, physical teams.

We can't continue like this and expect to get far.  The bench has to step in and up.  Buzz has to do something to use more than 6 or 7 players.  We see now waht it does against eleite teams taht we run with for 3/4s of the game or more.

Use time outs, and use the bench.  I don;t think we have a choice when we play teams like UCONN, Louisville, Pitt and many others.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: Pardner on March 04, 2009, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Daniel on March 04, 2009, 10:03:52 PM
Our lack of bench is killing us. Period.  The fact we can't sub in players is running our tough warriors ragged.  They sputter out in the last 10 minutes against tough, athletic, physical teams.

We can't continue like this and expect to get far.  The bench has to step in and up.  Buzz has to do something to use more than 6 or 7 players.  We see now what it does against elite teams that we run with for 3/4s of the game or more.

Use time outs, and use the bench.  I don;t think we have a choice when we play teams like UCONN, Louisville, Pitt and many others.

Our bench took 1 shot tonight in limited minutes--one!  The Trio took 88% of our shots (Jerel took 39%) and made 81% of our points.  Not a formula that is going to work.  Mo, Jimmy and whomever needs to shoot more.  Plenty of times Mo passed up open, good looks to pass it off.  Defenses are just sloughing on the Trio.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: Marquette65 on March 04, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
does anyone think thst Hazel has told Buzz that he won't be around next year?  This would account for the no playing time and the over recruiting for the next class
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: CTWarrior on March 04, 2009, 10:21:55 PM
This is another reason why we miss James.  The kid had a great motor.  He could play 38 minutes, chase the other team's point guard around and still be there ready to go at the end.  McNeal was guarding the point guard tonight, trying to get back and help inside then jump back out to challenge jump shooters.  Then he goes down to the offense end and he is not getting his usual touches against a moving defense because James has gotten past the first defender causing help to chase.  So he's always getting the ball with a defender right there and at least one more waiting should he beat the first.  Matthews, too, plus Matthews has to play the point when Acker sits.

So now McNeal and Matthews have to work harder both on offense and defense.  Plus what little breaks they used to get they don't get anymore because the bench is that much thinner without Acker on it.
Title: Re: No way Wes and Jerel can play this many minutes
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 04, 2009, 11:45:59 PM
Quote from: Marquette65 on March 04, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
does anyone think thst Hazel has told Buzz that he won't be around next year?  This would account for the no playing time and the over recruiting for the next class

Supposedly Cubillan did also earlier in the year. 
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