I know we have a lot of basketball to play yet and I am going to enjoy these seniors as much as the rest of you while we have them. But I can't help but think ahead.... Who is gonna be our starting 5 next year. I don't know enough about our recruits so help me fill in the blanks.
1-Acker
2- ??? (maybe Cuby?)
3- Butler
4-Lazar
5- McMorrow? Otule?
I actually feel really good about having Acker, Butler, and Lazar in our starting five. If we can just fill in those two blanks decently I don't see any reason for us not to make the Big Dance in 2010.
My thoughts...
Cadougan
Hayward
Butler
Maymon
??? (McMorrow/Otule?)
1 - Acker/Cadougan (I think Junior takes the starting spot by the end of next year)
2 - Buycks
3 - Lazar
4 - Maymon
5 - McMorrow/OTule (Have no clue who will improve the most and take this starting spot..guessing OTule)
1-junior
2-Buycks
3 Hyawrd
4 Myamon
5 Riley
FYI Buycks at the 2 is probably the most solid of all these
Quote from: muarmy81 on March 02, 2009, 01:56:23 PM
1 - Acker/Cadougan (I think Junior takes the starting spot by the end of next year)
2 - Buycks
3 - Lazar
4 - Maymon
5 - McMorrow/OTule (Have no clue who will improve the most and take this starting spot..guessing OTule)
+1. Exactly my 5 - I think Junior might take the reigns as early as January. I like Mo, Jimmy, E-Will and Fulce to get a lot of time off the bench too. Big Red Roseboro could contribute as well. Wow - depth? What is that?
Quote from: muarmy81 on March 02, 2009, 01:56:23 PM
1 - Acker/Cadougan (I think Junior takes the starting spot by the end of next year)
2 - Buycks
3 - Lazar
4 - Maymon
5 - McMorrow/OTule (Have no clue who will improve the most and take this starting spot..guessing OTule)
Are Buycks and Maymon supposed to be big studs? I don't see Butler not getting a spot after the way he performed this season...
Quote from: ReneeRowarrior on March 02, 2009, 01:53:03 PM
I know we have a lot of basketball to play yet and I am going to enjoy these seniors as much as the rest of you while we have them. But I can't help but think ahead.... Who is gonna be our starting 5 next year. I don't know enough about our recruits so help me fill in the blanks.
1-Acker
2- ??? (maybe Cuby?)
3- Butler
4-Lazar
5- McMorrow? Otule?
NO way Cuby starts... I think this is the main consensus.
1 Junior (if he is as good as advertised), if not, Acker
2 Buyck (if he is as good as advertised), if not, Butler ... this is actually more of a toss up than I make it
3 Hayward (no question)
4 Maymon
5 ??? its between Otule, McMorrow, and maybe Riley?
Quote from: ReneeRowarrior on March 02, 2009, 01:59:27 PM
Are Buycks and Maymon supposed to be big studs? I don't see Butler not getting a spot after the way he performed this season...
They both will bring much more on the offensive end IMO - Buycks on the perimeter and Maymon with his inside-out game. Jimmy may get some starts though and will certainly get plenty of minutes.
Bulter is a 2 more than he is a 3... playing out of position out of necessity.
1 - Acker/Cadougan (as muarmy81 said)
2 - Buycks/Butler/Cubillian
3 - Hayward/Williams/Butler
4 - Maymon/Fulce/Hazel/Roseboro
5 - Otule/McMorrow/Hazel/Roseboro... depending on who stays if we get Riley... if we get Riley, the first 3 might split time with Otule starting just because he has the jump on everyone in experience.
just my two cents... SG is the most up for grabs depending on who plays the best and who develops the best.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 02, 2009, 02:02:15 PM
Bulter is a 2 more than he is a 3... playing out of position out of necessity.
I disagree though - Butler isn't enough of a shooter to play the 2. In fact, he's not a shooter at all.
I wonder if Roseboro will Red shirt...
Quote from: Badgerhater920 on March 02, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
I disagree though - Butler isn't enough of a shooter to play the 2. In fact, he's not a shooter at all.
He doesnt shoot because hes not asked to. Hes playing out of position this year, and is a naturdal 2/3.
exactly, he plays out of position and the team has enough shooters/scorers.
he is doing what he is asked to do.
the kid is a hell of an athlete.
I think that 2009-2010 will be a huge year for Marquette as a program. It will be a real barometer of our ability to be compete at a high level (making the NCAA on a CONSISTENT yearly basis) after losing three of the best all-time players at MU.
It will also be a big test for Buzz. He has done a great job this year but I am excited to see him coach w/o Matthews, McNeal and James.
Quote from: muarmy81 on March 02, 2009, 02:04:27 PM
I wonder if Roseboro will Red shirt...
If we land Riley, I see this more of a possibility.
Quote from: lurch91 on March 02, 2009, 02:12:22 PM
If we land Riley, I see this more of a possibility.
Agreed.
If Riley comes I also expect Roseboro to develop as a 4...
Quote from: muarmy81 on March 02, 2009, 02:15:11 PM
Agreed.
If Riley comes I also expect Roseboro to develop as a 4...
Yup, that's his natural position anyways. He can step out and hit from outside too. He'll play the 4 with Otule, Mcmorrow, and hopefully Riley all able to play the 5.
PG - Cadougan
SG - Buycks
SF - Bulter
PF - Hayward
C - ???
I think Junior starts from day 1. From everything I read about Buycks, he is a talented and mature player .... Another starter.
I'm really excited about Bulter. Defensively he has improved greatly and his rebounding is fantastic. Right now, he is playing his role on the offensive end, but I could envision him being a 12 to 13 game scorer.
As much as people want Hayward to be SF, I don't see him there. Lazar is just not quick enough (especially side-to-side). I really think his best position is as undersized PF. What hurts him now is that MU has no size at the 5. Hopefully, next year MU can get him that protection with some type of combination of Otule, McMorrow, Roseboro and maybe even Riley.
To those of you that say Butler can't shoot, look at the form on his free throws. Best on the team, including WM. He hasn't really taken any set shots in the normal flow of this offense and senior guard dominated team this year. But, I am sure he will have more freedom to shoot next year, and I think he could make a big step forward. I don't think he has the ballhandling skills of a Big East 2 guard, but I think he could be a very good 3.
Cadougan
Buycks
Hayward
Maymon
???????
Feel very confident on the starting backcourt. Maymon knows he is starting and it's clear Hayward will start. The 5 spot is a complete crapshoot.
Think Buzz will keep Butler coming off the bench early on to ease the pressure on the other newcomers feeling as if they HAVE to produce right away.
Cadugan's excessive weight has me worried so I can't really see him starting from day 1. He will start at some point during the season, just not right away. Acker to start and play 20 minutes a game.
Buycks will be the 2 from day 1. He has experience and is more of a protypical 2 than Butler. He can do it all just not at the superstar level of McNeal at this point in time. I think Butler only has 1 shot made from outside the paint area. He is a great backup at the 3 position.
Hayward and Maymon will start at the 3/4 position. Hayward will be our best player next year. Maymon is a beast.
Have to think Otule will start next year as I can't see us going undersized once again. He has the most experience and will get better. McMorrow lost too much time this year to start next year as he is still so raw but I think he might have better potential than Otule. Roseboro could contribute some next year but better off redshirting and definitely won't start.
I don't see how Hazel sticks around another year especially with playing time drying up completely.
Cooby will see some time off the bench as our sharpshooter from outside as his shoulders finally allow him to do what he was doing his freshmen year.
Fulce will be as good as Butler and see 15 minutes a game.
Eric Williams could be the best incoming player out of the bunch but won't make that type of impact until his soph year replacing Hayward.
I think we win 6-8 games in conference next year. With the hope that we are very competitive in all of our games.
PG- Cadougan
2G- Buycks
SF- Butler
PF- Hayward
C- ?????
O'Tule, McMorrow and possibly Riley fight it out at the 5. If none prove capable, a small lineup with Hayward and Maymon low and Junior, Dwight and Jimmy on the perimeter is a possibility. The good news is that Buzz will have the luxury of playing big or small as the situation demands. The bad news is that we'll be very inexperienced.
Judging how Buzz has used his first ever MU recruit (Butler), Buzz really doesn't care about position and will put players on the floor who will get it done regardless of position.
The only player that will see minutes in the 30s will be Hayward unless someone simply blows up or the injury bug hits.
Butler will definitely be a starter. have not seen Bucyks play, but he is averaging about 20 ppg at one of the best Juco schools and will likely be a Juco AA. So it will be tough to keep him out of the line-up.
Acker/Cadougan/Buycks (Cadougan takes over starter)
Butler/Buycks/Cubillan
Hayward/Williams/Fulce
Maymon/Riley/Roseboro
Mcmorrow/Riley/Otule
Whoever starts, suspect we'll see a much deeper bench next year with a more tradtional lineup of 2 Gs, 2 Fs and a C ( with a lot of 2Gs and 3 forwards and maybe sometimes a PG with 4 Fs.
Quote from: Badgerhater920 on March 02, 2009, 02:04:09 PMI disagree though - Butler isn't enough of a shooter to play the 2. In fact, he's not a shooter at all.
Dwyane Wade wasn't much of a shooter. He played the 2. He did alright for himself there.
I'm pretty sure we're going to see Maymon start right away. Cadougan might get the call at the point later on in the season, but I think it will be Acker's job to lose. As far as who we plug in at the 2 and 5, I'm sure it will be a toss up between Butler and Buycks, and O'Tule and McMorrow. Both situations will depend on how the newbies fit in to the grand scheme of things.
It's going to be exciting to have some decent talent come off the bench for once.
1- Junior
2- Butler
3- Lazar
4- Maymon
5-McMorrow (or Riley if he comes)
Acker will get some minutes, but I think Byucks will come off and be the sub for both of the guards.
Williams will back up the forwards.
Back up center is up for grabs.
8 or 9 man rotation next year.
We are finally going to have a size advantage, and at every position in most games.
"Small Ball" lineup: (Sorry but I've gotten so used to it this year. Thanks Tanning Cream!)
1 - Cadougan / Acker
2 - Buyks / Cubillan
3 - Butler / Williams
4 - Hayward
5 - Maymonn
My guess is that Buzz and Acker use the remainder of this season as a bit of a trial for him as the starter next year. Given that he is the point guard during the toughest stretch of this season, I can't imagine him not starting at the beginning of next year. That said, I think it will either speak a lot about Cadougan or of Buzz's confidence in Acker if Junior is starting by the BEast season.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 02, 2009, 05:53:06 PM
1- Junior
2- Butler
3- Lazar
4- Maymon
5-McMorrow (or Riley if he comes)
Acker will get some minutes, but I think Byucks will come off and be the sub for both of the guards.
Williams will back up the forwards.
Back up center is up for grabs.
8 or 9 man rotation next year.
We are finally going to have a size advantage, and at every position in most games.
I'll take this prediction. I realize Buycks is high on many lists (including Dickie V's), and he might start eventually next year, but I've yet to see a Juco player that didn't need some adjustment period so it's hard for me to believe he's the one exception. As for Acker, from the couple of games I've seen from Cadougan, I don't see how Cadougan can't beat him out given the low ceiling (no pun intended) on Acker. As far as an expanded depth chart, I'd say something like this:
Cadougan/Acker/Buycks
Butler/Buycks/Cubillan
Hayward/Williams
Maymon/Williams/Fulce/Roseboro
McMorrow/Otule/Roseboro/Hazel
Quote from: mu77vegas on March 02, 2009, 06:56:04 PM
"Small Ball" lineup: (Sorry but I've gotten so used to it this year. Thanks Tanning Cream!)
1 - Cadougan / Acker
2 - Buyks / Cubillan
3 - Butler / Williams
4 - Hayward
5 - Maymonn
I also wouldn't be surprised to see this lineup a fair amount next year.
Quote from: chapman on March 02, 2009, 07:53:47 PM
I realize Buycks is high on many lists (including Dickie V's), and he might start eventually next year, but I've yet to see a Juco player that didn't need some adjustment period so it's hard for me to believe he's the one exception.
When discussing Buycks, think of Jermaine Dixon from Pittsburgh. Hard nosed JC player who will start from the first game. Buycks is better offensively, not as good defensively.
If you haven't seen Dixon up close, take a peek on Wednesday. Of course, he'll probably shoot 3-11 with four turnovers but otherwise his game is really solid.
I think junior has to start, no question.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 02, 2009, 05:27:34 PM
Dwyane Wade wasn't much of a shooter. He played the 2. He did alright for himself there.
touche. but an outlandish comparison - Butler to Wade.
Dwade took shots - midrange jumpers, etc. Jimmy takes little to no jump shots. That's why I said that; but i understand that perhaps Buzz doesn't have him play that role.
Hayward and Butler are the only sure starters.
Quote from: Badgerhater920 on March 02, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
touche. but an outlandish comparison - Butler to Wade.
Dwade took shots - midrange jumpers, etc. Jimmy takes little to no jump shots. That's why I said that; but i understand that perhaps Buzz doesn't have him play that role.
I agree about not playing the role of the shooter. Here s a blurb from the Wiki. I would say Butler is an o.k. shooter but is not currently permitted to shoot. Next year will be a different story.
"Butler led Tyler in scoring at 18.2 points per game while also pulling down 7.7 rebounds and dishing out 3.1 assists. He shot 54.8% overall, 42.2% from three-point range (19 for 45) and 71.3% from the free-throw line (154 for 216). Butler was a NJCAA Honorable Mention All-America selection at Tyler Junior College in 2007-08 and he helped guide the Apaches to a national ranking of 10th in the country and the program's first outright league title in 21 seasons."
I like the idea of having a 6' 6" 2 guard who can drive, shoot, and rebound. I wonder how he will do on D versus some of the quicker 2 guards in the Big East. From what I have seen, he will be able to hold his own.
Next year is going to be interesting. It will be, more than anything, a test of Buzz and his staff in terms of coaching ability.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 03, 2009, 04:01:22 AM
" Butler was a NJCAA Honorable Mention All-America selection at Tyler Junior College in 2007-08."
Isn't Buycks projected to be a 1st Team NJCAA All-American?
Quote from: Badgerhater920 on March 02, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
I disagree though - Butler isn't enough of a shooter to play the 2. In fact, he's not a shooter at all.
I disagree. He's got a great stroke and has shown a few times he can hit the mid-range jumper. He is tremendous at knowing his role with this team, which is why we haven't seen him pull-up from beyond the arc a whole lot this year.
Quote from: bilsu on March 02, 2009, 09:00:54 PM
Hayward and Butler are the only sure starters.
once again, most ignorant comment of the thread.
Maymon will start for SURE.
and Butler is not close to a lock to start.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 03, 2009, 08:07:34 AM
once again, most ignorant comment of the thread.
Maymon will start for SURE.
and Butler is not close to a lock to start.
Maymon is not a lock to be a starter, not even close.
After Acker, James, Diener, and Cordell Henry, it's gonna be weird to have a bulky PG, but I'm excited to see how a true Buzz team will look.
Quote from: bma725 on March 03, 2009, 08:31:19 AM
Maymon is not a lock to be a starter, not even close.
who is better that will be on the roster next year? no one.
I'm not sure he would have come to MU had Buzz not promised him SIGNIFICANT PT right out of the gate.
the kid is a beast.
significant pt does not necessarily equate to starter. butler plays more minutes than burke these days, and yet does not start.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 03, 2009, 09:32:36 AM
who is better that will be on the roster next year? no one.
I'm not sure he would have come to MU had Buzz not promised him SIGNIFICANT PT right out of the gate.
the kid is a beast.
Buzz doesn't promise PT. He promises that chance to earn it, that's it. No one is guaranteed a spot as a recruit.
The kid was a beast last year. But Maymon's had a somewhat disappointing senior year in HS, and is not showing as well as he did as a junior and in the AAU circuit. He made his name last year because of a super high motor and lots of hustle and heart...he hasn't shown that as much this year.
Right now, Hayward and Butler are for sure ahead of him at both the 3 and 4. Depending upon how things play out when the freshman get here, Erik Williams could be ahead of him a the 3 as well.
He's got to turn it up to become a starter.
Butler is a 2/3, Hayward is a 3 and is only playing the 4 this year because he is out of position.
Erik Williams is also a 3.
Maymon will be our starting 4, write it down now.
Maymon doesn't have to 'turn it up' to be a starter. A lot of seniors regress because the challenge isn't there like it used to be. If Memorial doesn't win state because of Maymon (and maybe Lomomba) I would be surprised to say the least.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 03, 2009, 10:03:16 AM
Maymon doesn't have to 'turn it up' to be a starter. A lot of seniors regress because the challenge isn't there like it used to be.
Think again.
Buzz is a 100% effort 100% of the time kind of guy. If Maymon comes in next year with the kind of effort he's displaying now, he will not start.
You can get away with that kind of stuff in high school. You can't in college, especially not when you're playing for Buzz.
Quote from: bma725 on March 03, 2009, 09:57:03 AM
The kid was a beast last year. But Maymon's had a somewhat disappointing senior year in HS, and is not showing as well as he did as a junior and in the AAU circuit. He made his name last year because of a super high motor and lots of hustle and heart...he hasn't shown that as much this year.
Right now, Hayward and Butler are for sure ahead of him at both the 3 and 4. Depending upon how things play out when the freshman get here, Erik Williams could be ahead of him a the 3 as well.
He's got to turn it up to become a starter.
I have no doubt that Maymon will turn it on. He proved his competitiveness when his teams needed him. That Madison Memorial team is just loaded with talent this year. There are 3 division 1 stars on that team right now and no one else in the state is even close to having that much talent on one team. I have not followed the team closely this year but typically a team tends to play sloppy when they play against overmatched opponents. It is up to the head coach to work that out of his players and that might be the main problem. Now that every game means something, we will see how Maymon responds. My guess is that Maymon will give it all his all MU and he will in all likelihood earn a starting spot next year, play extensive minutes and be extremely productive.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 03, 2009, 10:03:16 AM
Butler is a 2/3, Hayward is a 3 and is only playing the 4 this year because he is out of position.
Erik Williams is also a 3.
Maymon will be our starting 4, write it down now.
Maymon doesn't have to 'turn it up' to be a starter. A lot of seniors regress because the challenge isn't there like it used to be. If Memorial doesn't win state because of Maymon (and maybe Lomomba) I would be surprised to say the least.
And don't forget about Vander Blue, another great talent. On a side note, any truth to the matter that Blue is wavering on his verbal????
Anyways, I have kind of written off Eric Williams as a player who might only get 5-10 minutes a game next year but his shoot blocking ability for a 3 is uncanny. If he can defend the 2, he could get a lot of minutes.
If we don't land Riley, I honestly expect that we will not be starting a true center. O'Tule & McMorrow have a lot of upside and will see significant playing time, but unless matchups dictate defending a 7 footer I think Buzz stays small and quick with his motion offense.
G - Cadougan (maybe Acker to start the year)
G- Buycks Rearrange his name and it spells Bucky's ... can we get this changed somehow
F- E. Williams
F- Hayward
F- Maymon
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 03, 2009, 10:03:16 AM
Hayward is a 3 and is only playing the 4 this year because he is out of position.
Ya know, I used to think that too, but the more I watch him, the more I think he might be a step slow to be a really effective 3.
Do you think he can take anybody off of the dribble from the perimeter and get to the basket? I feel like that's a charge waiting to happen.
He's a good shooter (excellent mid-range, good 3pter), but I don't think he has the handle or foot speed to be a 3.
I think at best he's a true combo forward.
I think can can play pretty well at either position, and that's a big part of his value. He CAN actually play a little bit of both.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
As far as next year, I have no idea. I haven't seen Buzz long enough to make a good guess.