Can anyone here that has rivals tell me what the new article about him says. It is the main headline on the Marquette Rivals home page. Headline says that he is officially down to two schools, and I was just wondering who they were and what the article says.
Riley is down to Syracuse and Marquette. Decision to come in a week.
Thanks a lot, I think this would be a huge get.
Any articles on what his thoughts were of his visit to marquette?
Quote from: Lockdown D on March 01, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
Any articles on what his thoughts were of his visit to marquette?
That would be nice to know, I guess if he comes here though that means that someone is leaving. My guess would be Cubes or Hazel. Also I thought that he was originally going to wait till his high school season was over to make his decision, unless it is already over.
His regular season was over on 2/24, playoffs don't start until 3/9. So this week is a free week to make a decision. Otherwise, the playoffs go until the end of March, and he may not want to make a decision during that time.
Since Jamil Wilson is making his decision next Sunday and Riley within a week, the waiting will soon be over. Question: is Riley's decision based upon what Wilson does. Is Buzz holding a spot for Wilson and if he commits elsewhere, hello Riley? Or visa/versa? One never knows.
Quote from: nyg on March 01, 2009, 06:46:18 PM
Since Jamil Wilson is making his decision next Sunday and Riley within a week, the waiting will soon be over. Question: is Riley's decision based upon what Wilson does. Is Buzz holding a spot for Wilson and if he commits elsewhere, hello Riley? Or visa/versa? One never knows.
Riley's decision has absolutely nothing to do with Jamil. If Jamil decides he wants to come to MU, no one would be more surprised than Buzz.
I have a feeling that the Jamil Wilson train has left.
Just for kicks, If Riley does commit and Wilson wants to come, does Buzz accept Wilson?
Quote from: nyg on March 01, 2009, 06:54:30 PM
Just for kicks, If Riley does commit and Wilson wants to come, does Buzz accept Wilson?
I would probably say yes, although it seems like an unlikely scenario.
Quote from: mosarsour on March 01, 2009, 06:57:34 PM
I would probably say yes, although it seems like an unlikely scenario.
It would be impossible but it would be stocked with talent if it did.
Quote from: nyg on March 01, 2009, 06:54:30 PM
Just for kicks, If Riley does commit and Wilson wants to come, does Buzz accept Wilson?
It won't happen, but I would actually say no. Besides having a lot of talent and depth, and having to get rid of a scholarship already, I think a big reason for Buycks and M. Clark in 2010 is to try to balance out the classes. If Buzz gets a fifth freshman for next year, I don't know that he wants a sixth.
I thought that the BE had a rule about only being allowed to be one scholorship over the limit(?). If that's the case, then MU can only sign one more player for next season - at least for now.
How many do they have for 10/11?
Based on everything I've read and heard about Riley vs. Wilson, I'd much rather have Wilson. Not that I'd say no to Riley, but if MU is choosing, I'd choose Wilson.
Wilson is not coming to MU, lets move on.
I think what it says is you can only sign one player over on the Letter's of intent. So the second player would not sign the letter of intent. This is a Big East Rule not a NCAA rule.
This article on Jamil Wilson in today's MJS doesn't even list Marquette as one of his finalists.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/40517752.html
Buzz blew this one with the public "we are no longer recruiting him" only to go back and change his mind later.
Quote from: The Wizard of West Salem on March 02, 2009, 08:09:38 AM
This article on Jamil Wilson in today's MJS doesn't even list Marquette as one of his finalists.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/40517752.html
Buzz blew this one with the public "we are no longer recruiting him" only to go back and change his mind later.
Hmm....you know ALL the circumstances surrounding Jamil's recruitment, who sent mixed signals, who begged for another look etc???? I would be very careful making such sweeping statements as "Buzz blew this one" or for that matter "Jamil blew this one" unless you know the whole story.
All I know is that when you publically declare that you no longer are recruiting someone, only to turn around and change your mind, you look bad. Either simply stop recruiting the guy or continue to press ahead. There was no reason for Buzz to do what he did *if* he still wanted the guy. If he didn't, just quietly move on.
So I think Buzz did blow it from at least a PR perspective...and possibly from a basketball perspective although I'm not sure how much he wanted Jamil in the first place.
Quote from: The Wizard of West Salem on March 02, 2009, 08:34:18 AM
All I know is that when you publically declare that you no longer are recruiting someone, only to turn around and change your mind, you look bad. Either simply stop recruiting the guy or continue to press ahead. There was no reason for Buzz to do what he did *if* he still wanted the guy. If he didn't, just quietly move on.much he wanted Jamil in the first place.
This is so off it's not even funny. First of all, as a college coach you CANNOT comment on any recruit publicly, so Buzz NEVER said he wasn't recruiting Wilson anymore. Wilson said that in the MJS. Big difference. All that has been said publicly has been from Wilson's camp.
Also, if you knew half the story with this recruitment, you'd realize why Buzz finally decided to move on.
MUFan12 and others who continue to imply that they know the details of this recruitment....how about the details, now or after he commits elsewhere?
Quote from: The Wizard of West Salem on March 02, 2009, 08:34:18 AM
All I know is that when you publically declare that you no longer are recruiting someone, only to turn around and change your mind, you look bad. Either simply stop recruiting the guy or continue to press ahead. There was no reason for Buzz to do what he did *if* he still wanted the guy. If he didn't, just quietly move on.
So I think Buzz did blow it from at least a PR perspective...and possibly from a basketball perspective although I'm not sure how much he wanted Jamil in the first place.
Again..unless you know all of the facts surrounding this recruitment you simply cannot say that Buzz blew it or that Jamil blew it if in fact he wanted to come here and by his actions he blew his opportunity.
Buzz recruits differently than Crean. If he puts the effort into a recruit and doesn't get the sense that the recruit truly wants to be a part of MU he moves on to players who want to be here, ie, he has other options in case primary options dont work out. There are threads discussing Jamil's recruitment going back several months in which it is clear that Buzz spent three times as much time recruiting Jamil after he was hired than any other of his recruits and when receiving luke warm signals decided to move on and in a classy move advised the family of that. There is a version of events ( that may be true) that Jamil's father then subsequently called up Buzz stating that Jamil wanted to come to MU and Buzz asked him to come to his office and tell him in person shortly after Midnight Madness. Buzz was told Jamil and his father were on their way and they never showed for whatever reason. Under this scenario , clearly Jamil and or his father are the ones playing games or to be fair demonstrating the behaviour of a 17 year old kid who sadly lost his mother a short time ago and is having diffculty making a college choice.
Buzz and or his staff can't comment on it publicly until the recruitment is over and even assuming a version of events occurred that puts Jamil in a bad light, I highly doubt that Buzz would point that out.
The point is that no one knows exactly what transpired and the only version of events that is out there is Jamil's and he is unlikely to portray himself negatively. To broadly state that Buzz blew it is simply silly when only a few people know every thing that went down. Likewise, to overly criticise Jamil if he or his father have been less than straightforward is silly since he is a 17 year old kid who is making a huge decision.
Quote from: ATWizJr on March 02, 2009, 08:52:42 AM
MUFan12 and others who continue to imply that they know the details of this recruitment....how about the details, now or after he commits elsewhere?
You put the details about a player's recruitment out there for the public to read, and you tend to lose your sources and not get any information in the future.
Look, I understand I do not know the whole story, but it is clear that Buzz told the family (for whatever reason) that Marquette was no longer interested and that got out into the press. It is also clear that Buzz contacted them later and said that Marquette was still interested and that also got out into the press. Am I wrong about that?
If not, than I think Buzz still screwed it up.
Quote from: The Wizard of West Salem on March 02, 2009, 10:46:22 AM
Look, I understand I do not know the whole story, but it is clear that Buzz told the family (for whatever reason) that Marquette was no longer interested and that got out into the press. It is also clear that Buzz contacted them later and said that Marquette was still interested and that also got out into the press. Am I wrong about that?
If not, than I think Buzz still screwed it up.
So, in other words, your postion is "Whatever happened ... Buzz screwed up."
Also, it is not at all clear that Buzz contacted them later and said MU still was interested. To the contrary, much of the talk out there is that Wilson contacted Buzz
after MU had decided to move on.
Pakuni, if that is indeed the case, that Wilson contacted Buzz and not vice versa, than I am wrong. Otherwise, I think going back and forth on MU's interest was dumb.
Now that this thread is officially way off topic ... is there any confirmed news if Riley has set a date to announce or is still "next week?"
Quote from: TheManInGold on March 02, 2009, 11:43:24 AM
Now that this thread is officially way off topic ... is there any confirmed news if Riley has set a date to announce or is still "next week?"
Nothing has been officially confirmed because Riley and his family have shut down and aren't talking to any reporters or any one connected with any recruiting site.
Usually that's a sign that a decision is coming quickly, but you never know
Quote from: bma725 on March 02, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Nothing has been officially confirmed because Riley and his family have shut down and aren't talking to any reporters or any one connected with any recruiting site.
Usually that's a sign that a decision is coming quickly, but you never know
Thanks bma.
Quote from: bma725 on March 02, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Nothing has been officially confirmed because Riley and his family have shut down and aren't talking to any reporters or any one connected with any recruiting site.
Usually that's a sign that a decision is coming quickly, but you never know
He is waiting for World Wide Wes to get back from a business trip to tell him where to go. It looks like Memphis will get him, then.
We already have players like Wilson at MU coming next year. Butler, Hayward, Erik Williams, and Jeronne Maymon are all going to be vying for minutes at the SG, SF, and PF (though obviously Maymon will not play SG, but you get the picture). Only 3 can start, but Byucks looks legit and will get minutes. So why not really push for Riley over Wilson? All talented players are nice, but I'm sick of not having balance.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 02, 2009, 12:40:36 PM
We already have players like Wilson at MU coming next year. Butler, Hayward, Erik Williams, and Jeronne Maymon are all going to be vying for minutes at the SG, SF, and PF (though obviously Maymon will not play SG, but you get the picture). Only 3 can start, but Byucks looks legit and will get minutes. So why not really push for Riley over Wilson? All talented players are nice, but I'm sick of not having balance.
If you want balance, then why would you want Riley? This team needs to add another guard....Darius Smith.
because he is a Center.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 02, 2009, 01:46:51 PM
because he is a Center.
So are O'tule, McMorrow, and Clark
This team needs another guard before it needs another big, espcially one with more red flags than a Chinese parade.
This isn't the draft.
I'd take a top 50 center over a career backup guard.
feel me?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 02, 2009, 01:55:05 PM
This isn't the draft.
I'd take a top 50 center over a career backup guard.
feel me?
Darius Smith is not a career backup guard. He's one of the hottest players in Chicago right now.
I know everyone on this site hates the scout network, but listen to Dave Telep talk about Riley and see if you still want him over Darius Smith.
Otule is a project, McMorrow has played more hockey than B-ball and Clark is really a PF and won't be around until 2010. Plus who knows if Clark even makes it, he's been to like 10 different schools.
I have a strong hunch that we'll have 2 openings, so we can add both Riley (hopefully) and a guard.
Quote from: Boone on March 02, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
I have a strong hunch that we'll have 2 openings, so we can add both Riley (hopefully) and a guard.
That would work for me.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on March 02, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
Darius Smith is not a career backup guard. He's one of the hottest players in Chicago right now.
I know everyone on this site hates the scout network, but listen to Dave Telep talk about Riley and see if you still want him over Darius Smith.
not what I was implying. Instead the "this isn't the draft" was implying that we don't get to choose the players we want, they choose us. That said, we have had more interest from Riley than Smith.
would Smith be a better fit? yes. Would I rather take Riley a potential top player over some guy that balances the roster and sits on the bench? yes.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 02, 2009, 02:05:09 PM
not what I was implying. Instead the "this isn't the draft" was implying that we don't get to choose the players we want, they choose us. That said, we have had more interest from Riley than Smith.
would Smith be a better fit? yes. Would I rather take Riley a potential top player over some guy that balances the roster and sits on the bench? no.
I got ya now.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on March 02, 2009, 01:50:41 PM
So are O'tule, McMorrow, and Clark
This team needs another guard before it needs another big, espcially one with more red flags than a Chinese parade.
I think Riley and Clark project more at the PF position. It would be nice to have a 7' center and a 6'11" power forward on the court at the same time, wouldn't it? At least from a defensive perspective there would be 2 erasers patrolling the paint!
We need the addition of another big guy. It has been obvious how much we lack a big man, so it would be nice to get someone who is 6'11 and athletic regardless of whether he is a project. Butler and Hayward will get to play more guard too, and Cadougan, Buycks and Acker can play point.
If Memphis or Duke offer Riley, we aren't getting him. I wouldn't get your hopes up on him. Lets see what players decommit after the annual coaching changes.
"If Memphis or Duke offer Riley, we aren't getting him. I wouldn't get your hopes up on him. Lets see what players decommit after the annual coaching changes."
????? Where is this coming from? He is supposedly going to announce within a week or so for MU or Syracuse...
Quote from: Tmreddevil on March 03, 2009, 12:51:09 AM
If Memphis or Duke offer Riley, we aren't getting him. I wouldn't get your hopes up on him. Lets see what players decommit after the annual coaching changes.
I believe, perhaps, you're confusing Darius Smith with DaShonte Riley. Those schools are recruiting Smith, not Riley.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 03, 2009, 08:02:50 AM
I believe, perhaps, you're confusing Darius Smith with DaShonte Riley. Those schools are recruiting Smith, not Riley.
Yes, I was...apologies. That was my last post before bed. Darius Smith is being looked at by those two.
I would think Riley will be watching Saturday's game closely.
GOMU, I feel you, this team needs another guard. I guarantee the coaches are aware of this fact, so given that they are aggressively pursuing Riley as well as many other guards...it would appear the writing is on the wall that 2 more will be added to next year's class.
Hate to speculate, of course, but if there was only 1 opening that they knew about, they'd be going exclusively for a guard.
Quote from: MUBasketball on March 03, 2009, 08:58:21 PM
GOMU, I feel you, this team needs another guard. I guarantee the coaches are aware of this fact, so given that they are aggressively pursuing Riley as well as many other guards...it would appear the writing is on the wall that 2 more will be added to next year's class.
Hate to speculate, of course, but if there was only 1 opening that they knew about, they'd be going exclusively for a guard.
Why do you think this team
needs another guard next year?
Next year's sqaud will, barring transfers, include Acker, Cubillan, Cadougan, Buycks and Butler. If his recruiting is any indication, Buzz is switching to a traditional two-guard lineup next year. That being the case, why is five players at two spots cause for alarm? Doesn't seem like any less of a deficiency than have six guards to cover a three-guard lineup this year.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 03, 2009, 09:24:07 PM
Why do you think this team needs another guard next year?
Next year's sqaud will, barring transfers, include Acker, Cubillan, Cadougan, Buycks and Butler. If his recruiting is any indication, Buzz is switching to a traditional two-guard lineup next year. That being the case, why is five players at two spots cause for alarm? Doesn't seem like any less of a deficiency than have six guards to cover a three-guard lineup this year.
That's true, Pakuni. I shouldn't say "need", but it would be nice just to cover all the bases.
I love the direction the roster is taking.
you could even go a step further, Pakuni, and say he's going to a one guard, 3 athletic shooters/drivers lineup. Buzz has said multiple times that he isn't recruiting positions, he's recruiting players. The lineup of the future here is more likely a point, 2 athletic wings, and a big. The 5th spot on the floor is for whoever is the best "player", whether that be a big, 2 guard, wing, etc.
I think it's beyond obvious why we need another guard. Acker can't shoot or defend and Cooby is practically unplayable. Acker will get some minutes, but having a combo guard to serve as the primary backup for Buycks and Junior is a must!
wow Boone why don't you tell us how you really feel about Acker.
He is serviceable, especially as a bench player, which is what he'd be next year.
Afraid I have to agree with Boone. Acker and Cubian have regressed to the point that they're hard to watch. Maybe its too much bench time and they just need to get the rust out, but its scary to think about next year. Hopefully the new guys will be able to step in immediately.
Regressed? are you serious? When have you seen Acker as a starting PG play most of the game and keep his team within 4 points of taking down a top 10 team.
When has Cubillian been anything but a spark off the bench? Yes, his shooting has been rough, but he just went through a double shoulder surgery less than a year ago (IIRC). I'm thinking a lot of players would have just thrown in the towel if that happened to them.
The team is set up really well next year, and definitely more balanced than in years past. Its true that the team will be 'young' but thats what happens when you lose 4 starting seniors. It isn't like this day wasn't 4 years in the making.
I am very happy with who we have next year.
Quote from: oshkoshbgosh on March 04, 2009, 08:39:00 AM
Afraid I have to agree with Boone. Acker and Cubian have regressed to the point that they're hard to watch. Maybe its too much bench time and they just need to get the rust out, but its scary to think about next year. Hopefully the new guys will be able to step in immediately.
In fact, Acker has played about as well as one could expect since DJ went down.
He's shot 3-for-7 from three-point range (43 percent) and produced seven assists against two turnovers. Had Jerel had something other than a dreadful shooting performance against Louisville, that assist-to-turnover ratio almost certainly would have been even better. He did an excellent job handling Louisville's press Sunday and he's even snared six boards in his last two games.
He's not DJ, and he's never going to be, so it would be unfair to expect similar production out of him or for him to run the offense nearly as well.
But to say he's "regressed to the point he's hard to watch" is way off the mark.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 04, 2009, 09:10:23 AM
When has Cubillian been anything but a spark off the bench?
Any example from the 2008-2009 season would be appreciated. It isn't his fault that he got injured, but to say he has been a spark or a contributor isn't accurate.
I would like a "spark" to provide more than 2 points, 1 assist & 1 steal in 55 minutes of Big East play.
Quote from: Marquette_g on March 04, 2009, 10:21:44 AM
Any example from the 2008-2009 season would be appreciated. It isn't his fault that he got injured, but to say he has been a spark or a contributor isn't accurate.
I would like a "spark" to provide more than 2 points, 1 assist & 1 steal in 55 minutes of Big East play.
I think Hards is saying Cubillan, even at the best moments in his MU career, has never been more than an occasional spark off the bench.
Fair point.
I am still hoping we sign Mr.Riley.
Sorry Hards_Alumni but Acker is, at best, a 10 min a game guy. He simply is way toooo small to play BE defense. Its no accident that the last 2 games Price and Mc Gee had him for lunch. His D on McGee was just terrible. He could not stop McGee from getting in the lane. If he is on Fields tonight, I expect Fields to have a big game and so does Vegas. Have you seen the line?
Acker's best as a change of pace guy at 8-10 minutes per game. Beyond that you're asking for trouble. Cooby's best days are long gone; let's hope we have 2 scholorships to play w/this spring.
Acker handled himself fine playing for Ball State as a freshman. Now that he is getting consistent minutes he will gain confidence not only in his shot but his overall game. He's a scrappy player, but he's the best option and only real PG we have available to play, even in the big east.
wow man, I never said he should be our starter, but apprecite what he just did against UL, a TOUGH opponent. What do you suggest? Who should be trot out there that is going to be better than Acker?
no one.
He kept the team running, and kept us within 4.
If McNeal has an average game and we beat UL we aren't even having this discussion. No, he didn't lock down Price, but lets be real, we never expected him to. Price is an NBA talent so I'm not sure what this discussion is even about.
He isn't James, but no one expects him to be. James is one of the best, if not THE BEST defensive PG in the nation. Did you think there wouldn't be some sort of major drop off between James and Acker? Furthermore, There is no one better than Acker on the bench. I'm not trying to imply or state that he is the savior of the team, but to say he has 'regressed' implys that he was some amazing talent to begin with.
In my world, words have meanings. Choose them appropriately or you will look foolish. I expect some sort of linear thinking from an MU student or alum.
this is a board about Riley, not the discussion of Mo or Cubes...
please refer to other boards and leave this for riley information only.
thanks mod!
relax Hards. The point of my post is that we need a guard not another big.
Quote from: Marquette65 on March 04, 2009, 01:01:07 PM
relax Hards. The point of my post is that we need a guard not another big.
funny, because you don't mention that at all.
am i correct in saying that Riley is making his decision on March 9th? if not, when did he say he was going to decide. thanks
Hards--on February 26 on the Just Saw DaShonte Riley topic, I said we NEEDED A GUARD and not another big--I guess you just forgot.
Riley will be a super player for MU! He will help MU continue to be a top 10 team. Hope he commits on March 9th.
Quote from: Marquette65 on March 04, 2009, 02:57:28 PM
Hards--on February 26 on the Just Saw DaShonte Riley topic, I said we NEEDED A GUARD and not another big--I guess you just forgot.
Ok, then I can understand what you are talking about... but still man, you have to admit, that is a bit of a stretch for people to read every topic and remember every post from every person.
anyway, I still disagree. We have guards, I'd take the big.
Anyone know how guys like Shane Battier and CWebb were recruited when coming out of Detroit Country Day? I realize I'm probably dreaming but it'd be something to get a talent like that on our team.
I think Riley will committ, he has a chance to start right away for MU and at the very least get solid minutes. Assuming he works hard. Cuse has Onaku, Sean Williams, and Rick Jackson that would likely be ahead of him on the depth chart. MU has Otule and McMorrow, two players the Riley should feel like he could beat out. Plus if he committs he would join a likely top 10 recruiting class (19 right now), Cuse isn't in the top 25.
Just my thoughts, you don't turn away talented centers Byucks is going to surprise people and we already know Buzz doesn't play his bench if he doesn't have to. What about the kid from Jacksonville, he's a 6'5 SG right?
Buzz doesnt play his bench not cause he doesnt have to, but because he cant.
There are only 6 (now 5) that are legitimate on MU.
Hayward
Wes
McNeal
Jimmy
James (now gone)
Mo (hopefully can be something)
I cant even put in burke into this convo....he is all but usless against anyone over 6'7". I mean look at when we played uconn and crapville, wes and lazar were matching up against their big men.
Burke played "okay" defense at the beginning of the year, but the wheels have come off for him.
I get worried about having so many in a recruiting class. Yes, its great to have all of this talent, but am I the only one that would like to spread it out so we dont have 2 down years and then 2 up years?
I guess the solution to that is to redshirt someone... but who wants to do that if they are a top recruit?
Redshirt Otule or Roseboro if we get Riley.
Buycks is only a two year player because of JC
Roseboro would probably get the Red. I doubt Otule would sit another year.
Quote from: Wade4Life on March 04, 2009, 03:50:30 PM
Buzz doesnt play his bench not cause he doesnt have to, but because he cant.
There are only 6 (now 5) that are legitimate on MU.
Hayward
Wes
McNeal
Jimmy
James (now gone)
Mo (hopefully can be something)
I cant even put in burke into this convo....he is all but usless against anyone over 6'7". I mean look at when we played uconn and crapville, wes and lazar were matching up against their big men.
This has been an interesting point of discussion for my friends and I:
Buzz certainly deserves credit for the work he has done with the big 4 (all of them are playing better this year) as well as some credit for how Butler has come along.
However, if we are going to give Buzz credit for those player's development, I think you also have to consider that he might deserve some criticism for the lack of development/regression of some of the other players.
- Cubillan
- Burke
- Hazel
- Acker
I'm not saying any of these guys are "world beaters", but they certainly have shown glimpses of production in past seasons. This year, none of those guys have really shown much of anything.
To be fair, Cubby is coming off of major surgery and Hazel didn't play much last year... but the point still remains that none of them have shown they can be productive on the floor
this season (acker has shown a little bit, but not nearly as much as last season).
I guess my point is, I really like everything Buzz has done, but he does bear some responsibility for the lack of bench production.
are we sure Buycks is only a 2 year player for MU ?
Quote from: Marquette65 on March 04, 2009, 04:29:10 PM
are we sure Buycks is only a 2 year player for MU ?
100%
Quote from: 2002mualum on March 04, 2009, 04:23:06 PM
However, if we are going to give Buzz credit for those player's development, I think you also have to consider that he might deserve some criticism for the lack of development/regression of some of the other players.
- Cubillan
- Burke
- Hazel
- Acker
I'm not saying any of these guys are "world beaters", but they certainly have shown glimpses of production in past seasons. This year, none of those guys have really shown much of anything.
When have Hazel and Burke ever shown glimpses of production in meaningful games? And yes, I am aware of Burke's game against WI last year. That was a complete aberration.
And yes, Buycks is a 2 year player.
Acker is a great backup point guard it is a real art to get a PG to come and back up a guy for 2-3 years. he is as solid a back up PG as anyone will find. Unless you have a senior freshman type situation.
The other three should never have been offered schollies chalk it up to along list of Crean follies. Long list
After watching Blair in first half, I am hoping more and more that Riley commits to MU. God, this teams needs a center and no more projects. Please someone with B-ball center ability.
I hope he commits but if you've ever been on SU's campus you know its a tempting place to go
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 04, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
When have Hazel and Burke ever shown glimpses of production in meaningful games? And yes, I am aware of Burke's game against WI last year. That was a complete aberration.
And yes, Buycks is a 2 year player.
Hazel did show some athletic ability earlier in the year, but obviously Buzz doesn't think he's ready for big game exposure.
Burke became serviceable last year, but seems less than serviceable this year.
Obviously if the guys can't play, it's not Buzz's fault.
For the record, I think Buzz has done a wonderful job, I'm just trying to be fair in my evaluation of him.
If I give him credit for helping the "big 4", then I need to keep in mind that none of the others aren't even serviceable anymore. That doesn't mean Buzz isn't a good coach, just means that those guys weren't able to develop with him coaching.
Make sense?
*for the record, my comments aren't a reflection of the PITT game, but more the season in general. I'm definitely not upset that MU couldn't win against a top 5 team on the road. That would have taken a miracle*
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on March 04, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
I hope he commits but if you've ever been on SU's campus you know its a tempting place to go
what is so great about cuse's campus?
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 05, 2009, 12:02:13 AM
what is so great about cuse's campus?
Especially in the winter?
Have you ever been there? Its a HUGE campus that reflects the fact they have almost 20,000 undergrads and has some very nice facilities. I love MU but lets face the fact that our campus is weak compared to a school like SU.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on March 05, 2009, 08:41:16 AM
Have you ever been there? Its a HUGE campus
I've never been to SU so I'd really like to know more specifics as to why it's better? "Huge" can be a positive for some kids, but when I was visiting schools to make a selection, I immediately wrote off any that were too large.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on March 05, 2009, 08:41:16 AM
Have you ever been there? Its a HUGE campus that reflects the fact they have almost 20,000 undergrads and has some very nice facilities. I love MU but lets face the fact that our campus is weak compared to a school like SU.
Why does huge make it better? MU's campus is lovely, smartly improved in the last decade on all fronts (and I'd put MU's facilities on par with any other BE institution). SU's campus is fine, but I can't imagine it blows any recruit's mind.....especially a kid from Detroit who is no doubt familiar with GU's campus, Michigan's and others.
Besides, the Carrier Dome is long in the tooth, they get more snow than the North Pole, and the city is impossibly isolated from other major population centers.
They don't call is Siberacuse for nothing.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on March 04, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
I hope he commits but if you've ever been on SU's campus you know its a tempting place to go
Never seen the campus, but I have been to the city. The City of Syracuse makes downtown Milwaukee look like Las Vegas.
Okay....I agree that downtown syracuse is the pitts but the campus is vastly superior to MU's. And whomever indicated syracuse is isolated from the rest of the state doesn't know what they are talking about as its right on the NYS thruway and a major artery of travel within the state.
I think you guys aren't looking at this objectively from a 18yr olds perspective.......I was just saying we face some stiff competition from them, period.
- Cubillan
- Burke
- Hazel
- Acker
Are not high level conference D1 basketball players. Burke and Acker are fine role players. Hazel belongs in D2 and Cuby is useless without his shot. None can be expected to consistently contribute. Fulce is probably a quality D1 player and the jury is still out on Otule and McMorrow.
MU will be very inexperienced next year and have a (temporary) drop off in high-level talent, but its overall talent pool will be higher and the bench deeper. If Riley signs, my suggestion is to thank Hazel for being a great teammate for 2 years and help him find a good situation with a mid-major.
Quote from: RichardShaw on March 04, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
And yes, Buycks is a 2 year player.
OMG, YOUR AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK BIKES IS GOING PRO AFTER 2 YEARS.
I continued be amazed how people keep screwing up on a player's eligibility when the Mods have provided us with the Schollie Table http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8)
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on March 04, 2009, 05:00:16 PM
The other three should never have been offered schollies chalk it up to along list of Crean follies. Long list
Not fair regarding Cubillan, who was
significantly better as a freshman than Acker has ever been. It's easy to forget how good he was as a frosh. His shoulder woes have taken their toll on him, and he is no longer the player it looked like he was going to become, but I don't think he was a recruiting mistake.
Otherwise agree.
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 05, 2009, 08:57:26 AM
- Cubillan
- Burke
- Hazel
- Acker
Are not high level conference D1 basketball players. Burke and Acker are fine role players. Hazel belongs in D2 and Cuby is useless without his shot. None can be expected to consistently contribute. Fulce is probably a quality D1 player and the jury is still out on Otule and McMorrow.
MU will be very inexperienced next year and have a (temporary) drop off in high-level talent, but its overall talent pool will be higher and the bench deeper. If Riley signs, my suggestion is to thank Hazel for being a great teammate for 2 years and help him find a good situation with a mid-major.
I agree that Burke and Acker are fine role players and I realize Buzz is certainly just playing the hand he was dealt. Cubby was a good player for 1 1/2 years, but then got injured and wasn't the same last year.
MU has 4 fantastic players and then a significant drop-off (although bulter has come along nicely).
With this said, I don't think you can just write off the thin bench as "not Buzz's fault"... Buzz is the head coach and he is responsible for the development of all of his players, not just the stars (think of the old phrase: It's not your fault, but it's your responsibility).
People seem to rave about how Buzz has helped Mathews blossom, which is great. But, if he gets credit for helping Mathews raise his game to another level, I think you have to objectively look at the lack of development in the bench and be somewhat disappointed.
Again, I think Buzz has done a great job and I've rarely been disappointed with anything he has done. I often error on the side of "the coach knows what he is doing".
The team is exactly where I thought they would be this year and I'm excited for next year.
Quote from: Tmreddevil on March 05, 2009, 09:14:47 AM
OMG, YOUR AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK BIKES IS GOING PRO AFTER 2 YEARS.
OMG,
YOU'RE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK BUYCKS HAS MORE THAN 2 YEARS OF ELIGIBILITY. NICE RESEARCH.
OK - Back to Riley - Has he even been offered by MU???????????????????????? On this board the kid is the next Greg Oden but go read some Michigan boards - you'll se he gets ripped up pretty bad on Michigan boards. Some even say it looks lke he does not enjoy his height and the game. So be careful MU
I am not convinced that Riley is the answer for us.
I would rather have another guard next year as at this point in time both Acker and Cube will be expected to provide a lot of minutes and that is something we can't afford if we want to be successful. And if we were to be unfortunate enough to have an injury to Cadugan or Buycks, ouch. We won't have McNeal and Matthews to bail us out.
Riley is another raw project albeit with a whole lot of upside potential.
Syracuse is an armpit of a city even if the campus is nice. If he goes there it's because he knows he will never to have step foot in a classroom.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 05, 2009, 10:26:49 AM
OMG, YOU'RE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK BUYCKS HAS MORE THAN 2 YEARS OF ELIGIBILITY. NICE RESEARCH.
Teal = sarcasm there chief, including YOUR, caps, and phonetic spelling of buycks.
Quote from: Tmreddevil on March 05, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Teal = sarcasm there chief, including YOUR, caps, and phonetic spelling of buycks.
win.
Quote from: ecompt on March 05, 2009, 01:12:26 PM
Syracuse is an armpit of a city even if the campus is nice. If he goes there it's because he knows he will never to have step foot in a classroom.
Very funny ecompt.
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