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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NavinRJohnson on March 01, 2009, 01:07:20 PM
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In a game that was a likely loss before James injury, they were right there. They had to adjust to new/different personnel packages, a hostile environment, and a terrible shooting night from McNeal against a team that may well win the Big East, not to mention a foul that wasn't called on a three at the end and they were within one possession under a minute to play. Would James have been the difference? Maybe. Maybe not. This one was in the loss column before the injury and that's where it ended up. So be it.
Great job by Buzz getting guys in and out. They showed me something. One more probable loss to get some of the kinks out, and then the winning has to start again. C'mon ND!
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I agree. If you told me we would lose on the road to L'ville by 4 w/o DJ, I would have considered that within the realm of expecations. If you would have added the Jerel would have a really OFF day as well, I would say that such an outcome shows a really strong effort by the team under extra-tough circumstances. That is what I saw today.
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Really?
We didn't lose this game because DJ was out.
Cubie and Acker were fine.
The press was ineffective against us.
We rebounded like demons.
I'll bet we won the turnover war.
Our coach did a great job.
Where was our all BE player and our FT shooting?
Blew it.
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I hope the committee was watching that one. Hung right with a likely 2 seed at their place.
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Really?
We didn't lose this game because DJ was out.
Cubie and Acker were fine.
The press was ineffective against us.
We rebounded like demons.
I'll bet we won the turnover war.
Our coach did a great job.
Where was our all BE player and our FT shooting?
Blew it.
The press slowed us down and wore us out so it was very effective today. It hurt not having DJ because we couldn't punish them with easy buckets once we broke the press.
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DJ woulda helped but we still shoulda won. Im mad about Jerel and Acker's 3 point shots with 1:45 to go and down 4. We shoulda drove to the lane and got a quick 2 and then strecthed the game out and make them make FT's which we woulda won then. This one's on jerel...if he has a BAD game we win...he had a horrible game. great job by buzz getting them ready and great hustle and play by the boys today. too bad we couldn't steal one
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The press slowed us down and wore us out so it was very effective today. It hurt not having DJ because we couldn't punish them with easy buckets once we broke the press.
That's probably true. Acker's inability to finish is a big difference.
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Seemed like so many in and outs.
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Plus DJ penetrated a defense giving us different looks on O, usually better looks. I'm not going to be giddy or down about today's game.
I don't play the moral victory game even if we lost our starting point guard. Still there are things I like that I've seen out of this team and things I haven't liked mainly on the d end.
We should just rename our 1-3-1 zone the "Give them an Open Three from the Elbow or Dunk" Defense.
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Seemed like so many in and outs.
Mo had 2 looks like that. Had those gone down, we win.
Yes, I know I'm captain obvious here.
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Baloney.
3 for 19 shooting and 2 for 5 from the line? With halfway decent game from McNeal had the game won. Another missed opportunity. Congrats to the rest of the team for a tremendous effort. And to Buzz as well.
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Lville did not play well. We didn't take advantage. Missed opportunity. Nothing to feel good after this one.
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Where was our all BE player and our FT shooting?
Blew it.
Made more FTs than UL shot. Can't really complain.
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Baloney.
3 for 19 shooting and 2 for 5 from the line? With halfway decent game from McNeal had the game won. Another missed opportunity. Congrats to the rest of the team for a tremendous effort. And to Buzz as well.
Attention Jerel McNeal...In the world of ATWizJr, you are not allowed to have an off night. That is all.
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No but you can run back on defense when you are playing bad on the offensive end. That's my only problem with Jerel today.
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Lville did not play well. We didn't take advantage. Missed opportunity. Nothing to feel good after this one.
I don't feel too bad about this one. We were expected to lose. And I think the sky is not falling.
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The press slowed us down and wore us out so it was very effective today. It hurt not having DJ because we couldn't punish them with easy buckets once we broke the press.
+1
Plus Acker does not initiate ANY offense whatsoever from the point in the half court. He didn't turn the ball over, which against Louisville is a very good thing, on the other hand he just dribbled around and threw the ball to another perimeter guy on the halfcourt. DJ is constantly probing for driving lanes, forcing the defense to deal with him. Just don't get that kind of thing from Acker.
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Lville did not play well. We didn't take advantage. Missed opportunity. Nothing to feel good after this one.
I agree here. LVille did not play well, our defense was only average and they couldn't put the ball in the hoop. They don't usually have that many turnovers.
Missed opportunity, seemed like Marquette didn't want it.
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I don't feel too bad about this one. We were expected to lose. And I think the sky is not falling.
At the very least, we've managed to cobble together a pretty solid lean-to. :D
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Missed opportunity, seemed like Marquette didn't want it.
LOL! Were we watching the same game?
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jerel has anywhere near his normal performance and this is likely a win.
dude has an off-game-- whaddya gonna do.
he'll learn that when that's his fate during a game, he focuses on his D and getting others the ball- then it'll all come back for him.
our inability to use the bench earlier in the year was evident--- not from effort, but from overall team flow.
ack and cubs played hard and pretty well considering.
give this rotation a few more games together, and we will be fine.
tough loss.
but not expected.
guys represented well.
go get 'em Buzzzzz
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Taking more free throws than UL made is not the standard. Making the front ends of one and ones would have helped.
Louisville gave us a chance by playing poorly (we had something to do with that) and we did not take advantage. Unfortunate.
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Please, Navin, as a senior, and BE POY caliber player, McNeal needs to show up better than today. He was awful today. I expect him to bring it every game, and he didn't today. Here's hoping he plays AT LEAST his average on Wednesday.
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Please, Navin, as a senior, and BE POY caliber player, McNeal needs to show up better than today. He was awful today. I expect him to bring it every game, and he didn't today. Here's hoping he plays AT LEAST his average on Wednesday.
Well I appreciate you confirming what I said...McNeal is not allowed a bad game.
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Tough crowd. To expect that there isn't going to be some readjustment period after losing the PG they have played every minute with for the past 4 years is unrealistic. Yes, it would have been nice if Jerel had even an avg or slightly below avg shooting day, but I can't say it is surprising to think he probably put a little more pressure on himself with DJ out. Obviously, they are going to have to learn quickly to adjust given the circumstances, but the nice thing about this group is that you know they'll do everything they can.
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Please, Navin, as a senior, and BE POY caliber player, McNeal needs to show up better than today. He was awful today. I expect him to bring it every game, and he didn't today. Here's hoping he plays AT LEAST his average on Wednesday.
Sheesh. Are you people kidding me? Did you forget to use teal?
He had a bad game shooting the ball, for pete's sake. Burn him in effigy, why don't you?
You guys are high if you think he had a bad game for lack of effort. His shots weren't falling. It happens. Just ask Stephen Curry.
A little clue for you ... a player doesn't get 19 shots (plus to the line several occasions) against an aggressive defense like Louisville's without "bringing it".
Seriously, I'm flabbergasted by the insipidity of some of these posts.
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Sure he can have a bad day...against DePaul.
Big players play big in big games. How did the head to head with the other Lowe's senior class award candidate go? Something like near triple double and victory to 3/19 shooting and 2/5 from the stripe?
At least we shot more free throws than the "ville so that will stop the whining about the reffing for a game.
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At least we shot more free throws than the "ville so that will stop the whining about the reffing for a game.
Honestly, I think I see more whining about people talking about refs than I see actual whining about refs.
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Sure he can have a bad day...against DePaul.
Big players play big in big games. How did the head to head with the other Lowe's senior class award candidate go? Something like near triple double and victory to 3/19 shooting and 2/5 from the stripe?
At least we shot more free throws than the "ville so that will stop the whining about the reffing for a game.
Yeah. McNeal practically vanishes in big games.
12/6/08 vs Wisconsin: 26 points, 7 rebounds
1/1/09 vs Villanova: 25 points, 7 assists
1/26/09 at Notre Dame: 27 points
2/25 vs UConn: 26 points, 5 assists
3/22/08 vs Stanford: 30 points, 8 rebounds
3/13/08 vs Notre Dane: 28 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists
2/15/08 vs Pitt: 17 points, 6 rebounds
11/21/07 vs Duke: 17 points, 6 renounds, 6 steals
Choker.
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I remember they also said that about another former Marquette star. The guy shot 3-13 in a big game against a #2 Louisville team about, oh, 6 years ago.
Wonder what happened to him after that? ?-(
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3/13 would have been an improvement over the 3/19 we saw today and might have won the game for us.
Wonder what happened to him? You can't seriously be equating McNeal to Wade?
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No, I'm not. I'm just pointing out that stars sometimes lay up clunkers in big games. And more often than not, they'll come up big again after that. See 11 days later when said NBA star drove a 19 point comeback on the road.
Had that moving screen on Lazar not been called, we might be talking right now how big Jerel came up at the finish. But to say that Jerel doesn't show up in big games is just BS.
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3/13 would have been an improvement over the 3/19 we saw today and might have won the game for us.
Wow great math....doesn't seem to me 3/13 would equal more makes than 3/19...hater
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MU won the battle of tunrover rate, offensive rebounding % and FT rate...but lost on eFG. Buzz/Jerel adjusted at halftime: Jerel only took 6 of his 19 attempts in the second half where Lazar and Jimmy stepped up as they were dormant in the 1st half. Wes had five TO's, 4 in the 2nd as he tried to dribble into their zone. With DJ out, our offense has to adjust yet...Mo needs to force the play more, JM needs to force play less, and the support crew needs to do more to find their shots now. It will come.
UL was the second best defensive team in the nation coming in. Give UL the credit...they shut us down forcing us to run our offense on the perimeter. Rel is a great player. Great players have bad games. I guarantee this will be gnawing at him as he is a winner--hates to lose. Look out Pitt...Jerel is gonna be on fire.
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I said "might" have won the game, Einstein.
If McNeal had shot the same percentage as Wade did when he went 3/13 (23%) instead of the less than 16% he shot today and one or two of them were threes, well, do I have to draw you a picture?
Maybe if McNeal had shot only 13 times someone else could have scored the decisive points for us as well.
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Marquette played better than expected, and Buzz did a pretty good job of rotating among the bench. Unfortunately, a loss is still a loss. A couple of other random thoughts:
- On the whole, I believe Buzz has done an admirable job of coaching this team. If there is one complaint, and it has been raised a few times on this Board, it is that he never really substituted and played the same 7 all year. Cubillan looked lost at times, perhaps he would have contributed more if he had more playing time this year.
- While I always thought Dominic James was a very good player, and made Marquette a better team, I realize now he was a great player. I was wrong, and completely underestimated how important he was to the team.
- Strangely, I am not as down on Marquette as I was after the double loss on Wednesday. There are still three games (at a minimum) before the tournament, and there is enough time formulate new rotations. This could still be a sweet sixteen team. A few breaks and favorable match-ups and the Final Four is a possibility. Improbable, but not as impossible as last Wednesday.
I'm holding off on my judgments until after the BET.
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Take a deep breath wizzy
I think, as well as everyone else on here posting against you, your overreacting.....
He was trying to get a feel for the game without his pg who has started every game with him (sans 1), not by his side.
They will right the ship....Go Buzz and Go MU
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I agree. I think they have already righted the ship and I am optimistic, as I have said in many posts since DJ's injury.
It just is a shame that they were offered this game on a platter and did not take advantage.
Rant over.
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MU won the battle of tunrover rate, offensive rebounding % and FT rate...but lost on eFG. Buzz/Jerel adjusted at halftime: Jerel only took 6 of his 19 attempts in the second half where Lazar and Jimmy stepped up as they were dormant in the 1st half. Wes had five TO's, 4 in the 2nd as he tried to dribble into their zone. With DJ out, our offense has to adjust yet...Mo needs to force the play more, JM needs to force play less, and the support crew needs to do more to find their shots now. It will come.
UL was the second best defensive team in the nation coming in. Give UL the credit...they shut us down forcing us to run our offense on the perimeter. Rel is a great player. Great players have bad games. I guarantee this will be gnawing at him as he is a winner--hates to lose. Look out Pitt...Jerel is gonna be on fire.
Having not seen the game, but reading loads of threads and looking at the box score, this seems to summarize the game for me. Thanks, Pardner. Sounds like Louisville didn't take advantage of us not being our normal selves, and we didn't capitalize on their down day.
A couple of questions though:
--it looks like a we a great job of rebounding, but did our poor shooting basically wipe that out?
--Cubillan is in for 11 minutes but doesn't even take a shot? Talk about gun shy! If he's gonna be playing, he needs to be shooting.
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You can't just "right the ship", whatever that means. We lost a player more talented than anyone who could replace him. We are worse than before he went down and we will be until the end of the year.
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In it until the end W/O DJ, nice effort. Ville defense had a nice game against McNeal keying on him big time.