I am sorry but these refs are straight fucking us. Hayward and Burke just got screwed back to back.
And now Butler gets called for some strange reason. Thabeet can do no wrong. I swear if we hold on and win it should count for 2. We beat UConn and the refs.
4 mu players with 4 fouls, and dj out. i'd better suit up.
They set the tone early when Thabeet hip-checked Jerel on a layup and refused to call it. But that wasn't the reason we lost.
Stop. The only overtly bad call was the Burke block. Otherwise they were fine with some questionable stuff either way.
Its 'A' reason, but not 'THE' reason. Price goes off, no rebounds, no DJ also major contributing factors.
Quote from: ecompt on February 25, 2009, 08:05:08 PM
They set the tone early when Thabeet hip-checked Jerel on a layup and refused to call it. But that wasn't the reason we lost.
+1
Sad that "the refs blew it" came out so early.
Yes, it was a poorly called game, and it doesn't help along with losing your PG and getting out rebounded... seems like everything is against us.
But they weren't the reason we lost. Sucks that we had to watch a lot of crappy calls, but that's how it goes
They were pretty bad. The three point play with Thabeet and Hayward got called for the foul. I didn't know jumping backwards into a group of guys means you can't get touched.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on February 25, 2009, 08:07:47 PM
They were pretty bad. The three point play with Thabeet and Hayward got called for the foul. I didn't know jumping backwards into a group of guys means you can't get touched.
Saw a lot of this. Seemed like they'd drive the side of the lane, do a spin type move and jump into the lane backwards to draw a foul. At times they looked out of control really.
Quote from: ecompt on February 25, 2009, 08:05:08 PM
They set the tone early when Thabeet hip-checked Jerel on a layup and refused to call it. But that wasn't the reason we lost.
MU definitely didn't lose because of bad calls (though there were several), but the fact the refs allowed UConn to play a very physical game certainly factored heavily. I'm not suggesting the refs were right or wrong in that regard, but the more physical play allowed, the greater the advantage to the bigger and stronger team (duh).
The primary factor in the loss - other than UConn's size - was the loss of DJ's defense on Price. He, IMO, would have done a far better job of sticking with Price than McNeal or anyone else Buzz tried against him.
Quote from: MUWarrior06 on February 25, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
+1
Sad that "the refs blew it" came out so early.
Yes, it was a poorly called game, and it doesn't help along with losing your PG and getting out rebounded... seems like everything is against us.
But they weren't the reason we lost. Sucks that we had to watch a lot of crappy calls, but that's how it goes
Ok, well if it wasn't the fact that the refs made some bad calls OR that Dominic was out almost the entire game, what reasons were there?
they were horrible tonight, don't kid yourself.... everytime marquette made a run a foul was called. look back at it, it happened everytime. uconn got away with push offs on rebounds and thabeet just pushed people around through the lane (he actually grabbed lazar's jersey and pushed him through the lane while the ref was 10 feet away). if tonight wasn't a poorly reffed game i don't know what is.
Quote from: maxpower773 on February 25, 2009, 08:55:57 PM
they were horrible tonight, don't kid yourself....
Agreed. People love to come on here and tell people to stop whining about the refs, that it didn't change the game, but tonight...come on. You all know that NCAA ball is ALL about momentum, so do all the math you want on how many extra FTs they got and how that doesn't change the game, etc, but as someone who was sitting 4 rows behind the band tonight, I can tell you, the energy went sour every time there was a questionable call. And a lot of them were plain and simple bad calls. That energy is what gives us a strong home court advantage.
And of course, as many mentioned, DJ's absence was a huge factor. To his credit, Acker did very well filling that spot, despite a very unimpressive season thus far.
Word is: Dickie V said that he needed a striped jersey to throw on because he could do better.
and it seemed like every time Marquette would have the momentum and cut the lead down, the refs saw to it that the momentum shifted back to UConn
I think if anything shows how incompetent the refs were tonight, it was the fact they had to make sure McNeal's 3, when the score was 20-19, was in fact a 3. He was about 2-3 feet behind the line, not even close, so if they had doubt about that play, they surely weren't watching the game very closely.
I thought it interesting that the team fouls stood at 7 for UCONN and 3 for MU when Calhoun gets his T and is hounding the refs. What happens next? 7 straight fouls called against MU. >:(
I hate compalining about the officaiting, but I'll get over that for now: they flat out sucked tonight. There were a lot of no-calls, especially on Thabeet who was man-handling and bumping everyone around him.
So - we lost and I'm not blaming the official for our loss, but the refs stunk it up big time tonight, and everyone around me up in 420 were saying the same thing. DSomeone mentioned that they were saying something on TV too - did they?
Donato pointed UCONN's way 12 straight times...Shaw was a bit less brutal and even gave us a few make up calls for Donato who should be reprimanded (hyperbole) as everything went only one way with him...but when Thabeet had 6 fouls at half time but only one was whistled (Wes's drive--blatant... and the no call scrum when Thabeet tackled Rel from behind) it was just inconsistent when the touch fouls were going against us. Call it on both ends guys: touch fouls always called / low body fouls forget it.
The major problem I have is when Donato is talking to Calhoun on every play/call. These crews needs to be held accountable for consistency--and impartiality. As someone pointed out--MU was in the bonus with 7 UCONN fouls--and Jimmy C. went to work...end of story. They wouldn't even talk to Buzz. It is a broken record with me so I apologize--but these refs work too many different leagues in too many different nights in too many different cities. There is absolutely no QC to their work despite the league talk to the contrary.
That said...we lost this game on the boards--especially offensive...and AJ Price is a stud...he totally schooled Jerel.
sad thing is, if Timmy Higgins didn't injure himself the other night, he would have been reffing this game. I don't know if Donato took his place or not but it would be interesting to see how it would have played out w/ Higgins out there.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12868.0
zing. to all of you.
Even my son's co-worker who is an ardent Badger fan said MU got jobbed by the refs. Just watched it on DVR some of the calls and non-calls were horendous. Really wish coaches could call out refs on poor officiating. Why not???
Quote from: statnik on February 25, 2009, 11:05:26 PM
I think if anything shows how incompetent the refs were tonight, it was the fact they had to make sure McNeal's 3, when the score was 20-19, was in fact a 3. He was about 2-3 feet behind the line, not even close, so if they had doubt about that play, they surely weren't watching the game very closely.
That's not what they were checking. They were checking to see if the interior foul called on Burke (?) occured before the shot or after.
The refs were fine. They called a consistant, but physical game. That is going to benefit UConn, but that is also the way BE refs have called games for decades. It really is pathetic that this group has to pile on every....single....game...
Latvian,
I do not comment on the refs every game. I noted earlier that Calhoun worked the refs pretty good and they swallowed the whistles on UConn in the last 15 minutes of the game. You claim it was consistently called both ways. But at least 2 of the fouls called on Hayward were pathetic ticky-tack stuff that Thabett did every time on defense. Thabett got away with hip checks, grabbing jerseys, not having his feet set, leaving his feet on defense and slamming into MU guys driving the lane. That's all fine. But then they call a foul on Hayward when Thabett is moving backwards and rams into Hayward with his butt. They call a foul on Burke when he gets all ball. They call a charge on Matthews when the UConn defender has one foot off the floor and isn't set. Yes, it was a physical game, but UConn got more discretion from the refs than MU did.
Quote from: Norm on February 26, 2009, 08:51:22 AM
I noted earlier that Calhoun worked the refs pretty good and they swallowed the whistles on UConn in the last 15 minutes of the game.
Jim Calhoun may have won a lot of basketball games, but he is a bully, whiner, and all round jag. For some reason the fact that he has a laundry list full of players who would be suspended by most teams for their off-court actions is overlooked by the ESPNs of the world.
He is a very unlikable guy, that Jim Calhoun.
I don't know if I would call the officiating "consistant", but it isn't in a lot of games I watch no matter the conference. Did we lose only bc of the refs? Absolutely not. Is it ok to complain about some of the inconsistencies? Yell about them during the game? Boo during stoppages in play to check the replay? Post your complaints on a site all about MU hoops? Absolutely yes! Does it make a difference in the game? Probably not. But it makes me and I assume other fans feel better to express their thoughts. Especially after such an emotional loss.
The non call on Thabeet midway through the first half would have been his second and he would have gotten a blow...whatever...I did notice that with about 30 seconds left in the game they called a foul on Thabeet so I guess they made up for it. But hey you can't let Price go off like that ...but they played hard and had their chances but a lot was going against us last night.
Quote from: warriormom on February 25, 2009, 11:13:11 PM
I thought it interesting that the team fouls stood at 7 for UCONN and 3 for MU when Calhoun gets his T and is hounding the refs. What happens next? 7 straight fouls called against MU. >:(
I noticed the same thing. I was beginning to wonder if Calhoun was making a deal with the refs to help him get win 800.
Quote from: statnik on February 25, 2009, 11:05:26 PM
I think if anything shows how incompetent the refs were tonight, it was the fact they had to make sure McNeal's 3, when the score was 20-19, was in fact a 3. He was about 2-3 feet behind the line, not even close, so if they had doubt about that play, they surely weren't watching the game very closely.
That was Calhoun wanting the refs to take a look at it. Which was a great move by a vet coach to get the crowd to settle down without using a TO.
I won't say that the officials lost the game for us, because they didn't. There were many factors that went into this lost. But I can say that if there was a different set of refs out there the outcome would have been different. Whether thats MU winning, losing by a smaller margin or a bigger margin it would have been different. I never realized how much of a whiner Calhoun was until tonight. Every call, even if it went his way, he was in the refs hear complaining. The refs need to grow a pair and be their own person and stop listening to him.
Quote from: Norm on February 26, 2009, 08:51:22 AM
Latvian,
I do not comment on the refs every game. I noted earlier that Calhoun worked the refs pretty good and they swallowed the whistles on UConn in the last 15 minutes of the game. You claim it was consistently called both ways. But at least 2 of the fouls called on Hayward were pathetic ticky-tack stuff that Thabett did every time on defense. Thabett got away with hip checks, grabbing jerseys, not having his feet set, leaving his feet on defense and slamming into MU guys driving the lane. That's all fine. But then they call a foul on Hayward when Thabett is moving backwards and rams into Hayward with his butt. They call a foul on Burke when he gets all ball. They call a charge on Matthews when the UConn defender has one foot off the floor and isn't set. Yes, it was a physical game, but UConn got more discretion from the refs than MU did.
Hayward's foul was definately ticky tack.... but so was the moving screen called on UConn. Regarding the supposed calls that should have gone against Thabeet, if the person driving to the basket initiates the contact and the defender has decent position, they are *not* going to bail him out. It is called that way at every level of basketball. Unless the defender knocks the driver off of a clear lane to the basket, don't expect that call ever.
And Matthews charge was the correct call. A defender can jump straight up and still draw a charge. Wes put his shoulder into him.
Regardless, it is just tiresome to see this after every single game. I would think rational people would maybe realize they have their gold colored glasses on when they make these complaints...or maybe its just me.
Quote from: Latvian Chess Master on February 26, 2009, 12:13:55 PM
Regardless, it is just tiresome to see this after every single game. I would think rational people would maybe realize they have their gold colored glasses on when they make these complaints...or maybe its just me.
+1
It would have been a stretch, but anyone else think there was a reach in by the UConn defender when Hayward was called for his charge with about 2 mins left? Clearly Hayward was going strong to the basket, and possibly out of control, but he was trying to fight through his man (who could have been called for a reach in). Hayward's man didn't have position, but the guy giving the help did.
Regardless, this game was much closer then the score would indicate in my book.
I noticed from the baseline camera view that Lazar was held and turned coming around the corner. It looked like that spun him out of control and as a result into the charging call.
Quote from: Sungod on February 26, 2009, 01:55:26 PM
I noticed from the baseline camera view that Lazar was held and turned coming around the corner. It looked like that spun him out of control and as a result into the charging call.
He may have been held, but that certainly didn't *cause* him to charge.
The root cause (engineer in me) for Lazar's charge was Lazar was out of control. Why was he out of control, because a defender grabbed him or reached in changing his direction and speed.