How much longer can Buzz keep letting the world know how 'dumb' he is? Almost every interview he gives this stock answer comes out in some way...we get it already. You can only drop this so many times before the effective value of that statement gets watered down...
"And that's the way I've always been. I've never asked for a dollar on any job, and probably been overpaid at every job because I'm not smart enough to be in any other profession. But when you talk about pressure, it's the guys at the Milwaukee Fire Department, when they're trying to save a kid's life when a building's burning up. This stuff right here? We're all overpaid, if you really want to break it down. We're all overpaid.
What's wrong with that? I agree wholeheartedly with him. Not Buzz's fault...but it says something about our society's priorities when college basketball coaches are making millions and teachers, police officers, fire fighters, etc. are making $30,000. Again, if it is being offered to you and you are fortunate enough to be in the situation, by all means take advantage of it. But it does say something about our society.
If you read the articles from the past year you will see too many instances where buzz refers to his 'un'intelligence..clearly, the man is not dumb, his rhetoric is just tiring.
Not arguing about the message, just the delivery
I have to agree. Self deprecation is fine, but when he goes to that well in every interview it starts to sound 1) disingenuous or 2) and far worse, like Lou Holtz.
I'm thrilled with what Buzz has done thus far, so this isn't a slam Buzz post. I just find myself starting to cringe when I hear him go down that road again in every interview. Probably just a way for him to try to take the pressure off himself. Humility is great, but if you tell people you're dumb enough times they may actually start to agree with you.
If he were losing and saying "I'm not smart enough" they would be showing him the door. Just keep winning Buzz and say whatever you want.
or maybe if you say someone else should not say they are dumb too many times people will think you are actually the dumb one.
Shut up about Buzz already. At least the guy has some character and personality versus the social misfit dickhead we had before wathc his press conference after the wisconsin game and then complain about Buzz
It is a discussion of oratory...not character...
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That better for you?
well then compare it to the oratory, character, recruiting and the inablity to coach one'self out of a wet paper bag of our old coach......
In case you forgot who is was talking about here is the a-hole in full glory
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/That-s-Tom-Crean-in-the-spotlight-losing-his-re?urn=ncaab,142888
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 24, 2009, 08:35:56 AM
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That better for you?
H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S. Did you know that he married a Harbaugh?
Both Coach John Harbaugh and Mike McCarthy were seated behind the Hoosier bench @ West Lafayette. Made me want to throw up.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 24, 2009, 08:40:15 AM
well then compare it to the oratory, character, recruiting and the inablity to coach one'self out of a wet paper bag of our old coach......
In case you forgot who is was talking about here is the a-hole in full glory
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/That-s-Tom-Crean-in-the-spotlight-losing-his-re?urn=ncaab,142888
Has he ever heard collar stays? I'm just sayin'
I don't follow every interview of his anymore so I'm not getting annoyed by any "dumbing down" that may be going on. Only dumb I care about with him is his coaching intelligence and so far he doesn't seem to be dumb in generating an efficient offense and hasn't totally goofed on sub rotation, etc.
Quote from: mu-rara on February 24, 2009, 11:39:39 AM
Has he ever heard collar stays? I'm just sayin'
Are you saying that shoud be a bigger priority than learning how to tie a tie?
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 24, 2009, 07:58:23 AM
I have to agree. Self deprecation is fine, but when he goes to that well in every interview it starts to sound 1) disingenuous or 2) and far worse, like Lou Holtz.
I'm thrilled with what Buzz has done thus far, so this isn't a slam Buzz post. I just find myself starting to cringe when I hear him go down that road again in every interview. Probably just a way for him to try to take the pressure off himself. Humility is great, but if you tell people you're dumb enough times they may actually start to agree with you.
Lou won national championships... Would anyone like one? I know I would.
I love how Buzz approaches life and coaching. It is exaclty what Wisconsin and America needs and loves...Humble men just happy to be given opportunities.
It sure beats the look at me tan man.
Think about it. Buzz is essentially a rookie coach with his first real head coaching gig, going up against hall-of-famers in the country's toughest league. If he pretended he was smarter/wiser than the others, he would be labeled as foolish. Even the other prominent rookie coach in the league, Keno Davis, got COY last year.
I think he is smart but he probably doesn't feel he has the street cred until he coaches a team to some sort of success or wins some award or something. Then, I predict, he will get a little less humble.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 24, 2009, 08:11:52 AM
Shut up about Buzz already.
Ah, if only you would shut up about Crean....already
do you feel you need to defend every Crean post? Your passive-agressive posts scattered thoughout this board and your luke warm at best aceptance of the job Buzz has done and the unwillingness to admit those of us that said Buzz would hit a homerun is sad.
BTW why are you even here anymore now that your man crush is at indiana you should be all set?
I'd rather MU's coach be self-depricating to a fault than telling people to shut up for asking a question he didn't like.
I'm not trying to get into Buzz's head, but I'm guessing his comments give great insight into his mindset this year. He got mad at Mac because he "thought" Mac was questioning his teams ability to focus, and he keep calling himself "dumb" in comparison to TC. I interpret that as, my players are great, don't question their effort or focus, and to all the people who said MU was in trouble when TC left and they hired Buzz, you can now watch dumb Buzz win game after game...
I think it's a total motivational mindset he has this year, as the underdog who fans and alumni overwhelming questioned from the start, and he continues to say how great TC is and how dumb he is, while TC is struggling and Buzz is taking this team to a new level. Am I sick of it? YES! Do I think he'll grow out of it in time? YES!
There were many on this site who were willing to let him treat Mac like crap because he was winning games. Frankly, if he keeps winning and recruiting he can probably get away with what Bobby Knight did for so long at IU.
Quote from: mugrack on February 24, 2009, 08:10:38 AM
If he were losing and saying "I'm not smart enough" they would be showing him the door. Just keep winning Buzz and say whatever you want.
We will see how smart he is next year when he has a young team!
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 24, 2009, 04:18:06 PM
Your passive-agressive posts scattered thoughout this board and your luke warm at best aceptance of the job Buzz has done and the unwillingness to admit those of us that said Buzz would hit a homerun is sad.
Such as starting threads like this:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12828.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12828.0)
We know, and Buzz knows, that Buzz is not dumb. It's a tactic - it allows everyone to forgive him in case something does get screwed up; it takes people off-guard. It shows he appreciats what he has. Buzz is basketball sharp, and that's good enough for me, even if he calls himself a dumb ole boy.
I think its a lot better than being a cocky jerk all the time. I love the way buzz acts and how polite and humble he is. I think he feels that he has to act this way because he doesn't think he has earned the respect of everybody yet.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 24, 2009, 08:40:15 AM
well then compare it to the oratory, character, recruiting and the inablity to coach one'self out of a wet paper bag of our old coach......
In case you forgot who is was talking about here is the a-hole in full glory
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/That-s-Tom-Crean-in-the-spotlight-losing-his-re?urn=ncaab,142888
getting your ass kicked every night catches up to you. He was probably more pissed Bo Ryan blew him out.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 24, 2009, 05:16:35 PM
Such as starting threads like this:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12828.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12828.0)
Yes, I posted an article about UCONN from one of UCONN's beat writers a few days before we play....wait for it.....wait for it.....UCONN. :o
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 24, 2009, 04:18:06 PM
do you feel you need to defend every Crean post? Your passive-agressive posts scattered thoughout this board and your luke warm at best aceptance of the job Buzz has done and the unwillingness to admit those of us that said Buzz would hit a homerun is sad.
BTW why are you even here anymore now that your man crush is at indiana you should be all set?
My "passive-agressive" (sic) posts scattered throughout. My "luke warm" (sic) "aceptance" (sic) of Buzz? It's hard to even follow your writing. Please tell me you did not graduate from Marquette. Who is Luke Warm by the way? Is he a new recruit?
I'm sorry that I haven't given Buzz the love to the level you think he deserves. Almost daily I say he's done a great job or a terrific job or a fantastic job. Next time I'll add "SUPER" in front.
Buzz has done a "SUPER fantastic" job this year. I would not want to be classified as luke warm.....does SUPER put it over the top?
If it's ok with you, I'll stick to great, fantastic and terrific this year, but I won't start the ball licking for a few years. I need to see a bit more if that's ok with you.
I'll ask you, why do you feel the need to trash the program and the second best run we had in the school history at EVERY TURN? I'm just curious.
And I've answered that same question of yours at least 5 times now. It's getting tiring so here's the last time.
I defend Crean because
He delivered us to a Final Four for the first time in 25+ years
He graduated 98.9% of his players
He had ZERO NCAA violations
Dwyane Wade
Travis Diener
Wes Matthews
Dominic James
Jerel McNeal
Steve Novak
CUSA Championship
Double digit Big East wins every season
Took over a program averaging 10,000 a game and made it into 15000+ a game
5 NCAAs in 7 years and left one more behind to make it 6 in 8 years this season
Al McGuire Center
Big East Admission
Because he tirelessly worked to put MU in the limelight.....MU was known in California for the first time in decades
I could go on, but those are the basic reasons. He won, he put MU back on the map nationally, he didn't cheat, he recruited quality human beings.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 24, 2009, 09:20:40 PM
Yes, I posted an article about UCONN from one of UCONN's beat writers a few days before we play....wait for it.....wait for it.....UCONN. :o
You posting an article that questions the legitmacy of a future opponent is as fair and balanced as me posting recaps of IU games this season. We both have an agenda. The only difference is, I admit mine.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 24, 2009, 09:37:43 PM
You posting an article that questions the legitmacy of a future opponent is as fair and balanced as me posting recaps of IU games this season. We both have an agenda. The only difference is, I admit mine.
Black helicopters in your world? ;D
Sorry, but you're wrong. If I post an article next week on Pitt, am I questioning their legitimacy because they lost tonight? Think about it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 24, 2009, 09:27:01 PM
I defend Crean because
He delivered us to a Final Four for the first time in 25+ years
He graduated 98.9% of his players
He had ZERO NCAA violations
Dwyane Wade
Travis Diener
Wes Matthews
Dominic James
Jerel McNeal
Steve Novak
CUSA Championship
Double digit Big East wins every season
Took over a program averaging 10,000 a game and made it into 15000+ a game
5 NCAAs in 7 years and left one more behind to make it 6 in 8 years this season
Because he tirelessly worked to put MU in the limelight.....MU was known in California for the first time in decades
I defend Mike Deane because
He delivered us to the NIT Championship game for the first time in 25 years
He had ZERO NCAA violations (that I can recall)
Aaron Hutchins
Zack McCall
Dick Shaw
Jarrod Lovette
Mike Bargen
John Cliff
John Polonowski
Brian Wardle
Greg Clausen
John Cliff
David Diggs
Jon Harris
Oluoma Nnamaka
Cordell Henry
Only TWO of his recruits transferrred
CUSA Tournament Champions
Only one of two MU coaches to record three postseason wins in their first season at Marquette
STILL the only MU coach to win the first 6 games of their inaugural season (Buzz lost his 6th to Dayton, first win was an exhibition win)
First 4 of 5 were 20+ win seasons
He wasn't 2-3 in the NIT
Only had ONE year of no post-season appearances
Bravely led MU through the name change to Golden Eagles
Because he's fiery and wore tinted glasses
I could go on, but those are the basic reasons. He won, he brought MU through some tough times, he didn't cheat, he recruited quality human beings and legendary MU players.
(http://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/men_s_basketball/mike_dean_ul.jpg?w=&h=&cache=cache)
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 24, 2009, 10:46:33 PM
I defend Mike Deane because
He delivered us to the NIT Championship game for the first time in 25 years
He had ZERO NCAA violations (that I can recall)
Aaron Hutchins
Zack McCall
Dick Shaw
Jarrod Lovette
Mike Bargen
John Cliff
John Polonowski
Brian Wardle
Greg Clausen
John Cliff
David Diggs
Jon Harris
Oluoma Nnamaka
Cordell Henry
Only TWO of his recruits transferrred
CUSA Tournament Champions
Only one of two MU coaches to record three postseason wins in their first season at Marquette
STILL the only MU coach to win the first 6 games of their inaugural season (Buzz lost his 6th to Dayton, first win was an exhibition win)
First 4 of 5 were 20+ win seasons
He wasn't 2-3 in the NIT
Only had ONE year of no post-season appearances
Bravely led MU through the name change to Golden Eagles
Because he's fiery and wore tinted glasses
I could go on, but those are the basic reasons. He won, he brought MU through some tough times, he didn't cheat, he recruited quality human beings and legendary MU players.
(http://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/men_s_basketball/mike_dean_ul.jpg?w=&h=&cache=cache)
Actually, I'm pretty certain Hutchins, McCall and Shaw were O'Neill recruits.
And at least three of Deane's recruits transferred: Mason, Minor and Hester. If you want to cut him slack for Hester becaus ehe left during Crean's tenure, then you have to count McCall against Deane.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 24, 2009, 10:46:33 PM
I defend Mike Deane because
He delivered us to the NIT Championship game for the first time in 25 years
He had ZERO NCAA violations (that I can recall)
Aaron Hutchins
Zack McCall
Dick Shaw
Jarrod Lovette
Mike Bargen
John Cliff
John Polonowski
Brian Wardle
Greg Clausen
John Cliff
David Diggs
Jon Harris
Oluoma Nnamaka
Cordell Henry
Only TWO of his recruits transferrred
CUSA Tournament Champions
Only one of two MU coaches to record three postseason wins in their first season at Marquette
STILL the only MU coach to win the first 6 games of their inaugural season (Buzz lost his 6th to Dayton, first win was an exhibition win)
First 4 of 5 were 20+ win seasons
He wasn't 2-3 in the NIT
Only had ONE year of no post-season appearances
Bravely led MU through the name change to Golden Eagles
Because he's fiery and wore tinted glasses
I could go on, but those are the basic reasons. He won, he brought MU through some tough times, he didn't cheat, he recruited quality human beings and legendary MU players.
(http://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/men_s_basketball/mike_dean_ul.jpg?w=&h=&cache=cache)
That is a legendary list of players my friend! ;) Don't forget he took a team with two future NBA players (Crawford and Amal) plus Tony Miller plus Aaron Hutchins plus Faisal Abraham plus Roney Eford plus Anthony Pieper to the NIT. How that team with that talent didn't make the NCAAs is still baffling, especially after starting the year 8-1.
But he would have some killer drinks with you after the games at Turners, and that's really all that matters
PS I loved Mike. Thought he got the shaft after year 5 and deserved another year. Ran a clean program and won a lot of games, but he thought MU was at it's nadir which it clearly wasn't.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 24, 2009, 11:19:15 PM
PS I loved Mike. Thought he got the shaft after year 5 and deserved another year. Ran a clean program and won a lot of games, but he thought MU was at it's nadir which it clearly wasn't.
Deane was a decent guy and all, but he most definitely didn't get the shaft. He was running the program into the ground, and all his hanging out with alums postagame at Turners didn't change that fact. Cords did the right - if somewhat unpopular - thing by pulling the plug before any more damage was done.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 24, 2009, 11:32:40 PM
Deane was a decent guy and all, but he most definitely didn't get the shaft. He was running the program into the ground, and all his hanging out with alums postagame at Turners didn't change that fact. Cords did the right - if somewhat unpopular - thing by pulling the plug before any more damage was done.
Don't get me wrong, I think Cords definitely did the right thing. I should have stated it more clearly, at the time I thought he got the shaft. In hindsight, it was a great move. I'm just sad for the folks here that lost a drinking buddy and as a result decided they hated the next coach because of it. :P
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 24, 2009, 11:19:15 PM
That is a legendary list of players my friend! ;) Don't forget he took a team with two future NBA players (Crawford and Amal) plus Tony Miller plus Aaron Hutchins plus Faisal Abraham plus Roney Eford plus Anthony Pieper to the NIT. How that team with that talent didn't make the NCAAs is still baffling, especially after starting the year 8-1.
LOL...Hutch - freshman. Crawford, Fai & Piep - Sophs.
Reminds me of a team with Two NBAers plus two other starters from a Final Four team going to the NIT.
Gotta go, the black helicopters are back again...hopefully they don't follow me to meet Deane-o at Turners.