Just did a little trolling of the Pitt board on Rivals. Here's some threads you may enjoy. Props to TallTitan for representing the MU fans :)
Good thing Pitt won't have anyone to challenge them for the BE title... (http://pittsburgh.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=538&mid=87555257&sid=996&tid=87555257&style=2&Override=1)
How many years before they realize the Creanex joke is lame? (http://pittsburgh.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=538&mid=87530903&sid=996&tid=87530903&style=2&Override=1)
I try my best , thank you! ;D
Yea that wasn't a push. ::)
We just decided to have James on the bench for an extended time frame for the heck of it because with him in there we were kicking their a**es and had a nice lead. Yea that makes complete sense. What a bunch of boneheads! Some of their fans are as bad as the Louisville and UW fans.
hope their team overlooks us as much as their fans seem to do ;)
strange how I have not seem to have found a single big east team's message board that actually has much if anything nice to say about pitt.. lots of well wishing going on between most of the other teams, etc. but when it comes to pitt it has always seemed to be "hope we don't have to put up with their fans on our board" or "good luck against pitt - we're ALL pulling for you!" type posts..
oh well.. I say let's take it to the court and see what happens there ;D
Quote from: mufanatic on January 18, 2007, 12:58:08 PM
We just decided to have James on the bench for an extended time frame for the heck of it because with him in there we were kicking their a**es and had a nice lead.
Now you've got it ;D And he was wearing a shoulder pad for a few games afterward just because it looked soooo cool 8)
I assure you our fans nor or players are overlooking MU, as you are the probably the only team standing between us and a BE regular season title. As for the other fans hating PITT, thats an easy one, we have been the favorite in most games we have played in this conference for the last few years. How often do you guys root for the favorite in games within the conference? WVU fans wouldn't root for PITT if they were playing the Al Qaeda All-Stars, nor we would we root for them. The last point is, we play a tough, grind it out style of basketball that is not most appealing to most basketball fans who like the run and gun game.
As for Saturday, your fans will be treated with nothing but respect at the Pete. I for one have thoroughly enjoyed our rivalry thats been developing the past few years.
Last year at this time, heading into their game on January 21st, Pitt was 15-0 (4-0), ranked number 9 in the nation, with the BE title, Final Four talk in full force. They would go on to finish out their schedule 6-6. That started with loss in that game on the 21st (St. John's).
I do think they are better this year (Krauser = addition by subtraction), and teh conference was stronger last uear, but this conference is far from over. If we somehow manage a win on Sunday, and I'm not sure we don't become the favorites. Not predicting a win necessarily, but I sure can't put this one in the loss column just yet either. Again, the question needs to be asked, who have the beaten? Most impressive wins are at Syracuse and probably at home against Georgetown, who gave them all they could handle. Can't wait for this one to start - I think we have a real good shot.
Quote from: mckst7 on January 18, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
As for the other fans hating PITT, thats an easy one, we have been the favorite in most games we have played in this conference for the last few years...The last point is, we play a tough, grind it out style of basketball that is not most appealing to most basketball fans who like the run and gun game.
I don't think anyone was referencing hating "Pitt" or its players, but rather the fandom. They seem to have a disproportionate number of douche bags to the rest of the schools around the country. We have seen it here first hand. Has nothing to do with who's favored or style of play.
Quote from: spiral97 on January 18, 2007, 01:02:36 PM
strange how I have not seem to have found a single big east team's message board that actually has much if anything nice to say about pitt.. lots of well wishing going on between most of the other teams, etc. but when it comes to pitt it has always seemed to be "hope we don't have to put up with their fans on our board" or "good luck against pitt - we're ALL pulling for you!" type posts..
Not strange at all--Pitt is one of only two BE teams to make the tourney five years in a row. Fans of the other teams tend to gang up on perennial winners.
There isnt' a lot of ACC love for Duke, SEC love for UK, nor was there CUSA love for Cincy back in the day. When you win a lot, you're hated by the rest of the conference.
Pitt fans may be arrogant, but at least the team can back it up with sustained strong performance over the past five years. Frankly, I don't find their fans any more arrogant than, say, Georgetown's or Louisville's.
And you have to admit that their home court is one of the best college atmospheres in the nation.
Quote from: mckst7 on January 18, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
I assure you our fans nor or players are overlooking MU, as you are the probably the only team standing between us and a BE regular season title.
darn.. there goes that hope ;D
Quote from: mckst7 on January 18, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
As for the other fans hating PITT, thats an easy one, we have been the favorite in most games we have played in this conference for the last few years. How often do you guys root for the favorite in games within the conference?
I'd partly agree with you there.. it was that way in conference usa with cinci when they were up and doing well and there was certainly little love lost between them and most teams.. however looking at last season in the big east, pitt tied with MU for fourth place in conference record and uconn, vill, and wvu were 1-3 respectively... none of the general dislike seemed to be prevalent between them and most other teams.. but when it came to pitt it was almost unanimous.
Quote from: mckst7 on January 18, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
WVU fans wouldn't root for PITT if they were playing the Al Qaeda All-Stars, nor we would we root for them.
I HAVE sensed that the wvu/pitt dislike seems to be stronger than the average. Any particular reason?
Quote from: mckst7 on January 18, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
The last point is, we play a tough, grind it out style of basketball that is not most appealing to most basketball fans who like the run and gun game.
That was actually my thought before I post.. and it makes sense.. the physical and bruising games that result do usually have a "dirty" feel to them.. perhaps that's the basis of the general mood.
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Quote from: mckst7 on January 18, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
As for Saturday, your fans will be treated with nothing but respect at the Pete.
and likewise on March 3rd.
Quote from: mckst7 on January 18, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
I for one have thoroughly enjoyed our rivalry thats been developing the past few years.
I concur.. this rivalry has a very good chance of being on par with the louisville and notre dame rivalries we have now (and with the cinci rivalry we used to have - not so much fun to kick a team when they're down as they are these days).
Don't mistake my comments to mean that I wish pitt any ill will or anything like that.. I cheer pitt on as much as I do any other big east team in non-conference play and am very glad to be a part of the same conference. thanks for popping in mckst7.. hope we'll see more of you!
I don't think anyone was referencing hating "Pitt" or its players, but rather the fandom. They seem to have a disproportionate number of douche bags to the rest of the schools around the country. We have seen it here first hand. Has nothing to do with who's favored or style of play
Living in chicago, I met a ton of MU fans who were complete asses. Like most people in this country, i try my hardest not to judge the whole lot based on a few bad apples. PITT fans like every other school has there share of "douche bags". The problem is, the internet allows tough guys and "douche bags" to come out of the woodwork and provoke other fans. Come to the Pete one time and then tell me what you think of PITT fans.
Quote from: Marquette84 on January 18, 2007, 01:44:30 PM
Not strange at all--Pitt is one of only two BE teams to make the tourney five years in a row. Fans of the other teams tend to gang up on perennial winners.
UConn being the other team.. and UConn has definitely been as successful as Pitt if not more.. UConn and Pitt have been in the top 5 of the conference standings every year in for those 5 seasons (with UConn being higher than Pitt in over half of them not to mention having won the whole thing in 2004)... so by that logic UConn should be at least as trash-talked as Pitt.... but I don't really see any animosity towards them on almost any board.. generally a respect thing actually... so not sure I could say that your reason is the over-arching reason that this is going on.. no I'm thinking there must be something else.
i'll throw in my two cents. I have had 2 main reasons to dislike, or at least hold a grudge against, pitt. first off has been their personnel over the years, specifically at the point. i am not sure i have hated players as much as i hated brandin knight and carl krauser. they were both ball hogging, camera mugging pgs who had to have their spotlight first over the success of the team. which brings me to my second point, the perennial over-rating of pitt's basketball team. this may seem a little strange because of the statistics found in the above link, but keep in mind that these are REGULAR SEASON stats. if there is one thing that is certain in life, it is that pitt will never advance past the sweet 16 in the ncaa tournament, and yet every year, the analysts jump all over pitt like they are the second coming. nothing irks me more than the media hyping up unworthy teams. perhaps the loss of grandfather krauser will get you over the hump, and i can say that none of your players irritate me like those two. some of my friends tell me my dislike of pitt is illogical, but for whatever reason , it is definitely there and very deep-seeded.
QuoteI HAVE sensed that the wvu/pitt dislike seems to be stronger than the average. Any particular reason?
Two reasons, basically. But they boil down to the same reason:
1. We like to have sex with their sisters.
2. They like to have sex with their sisters as well.
they can be really funny at times. Best of luck Sunday.
Ok I will bite. I think, while true, that most fan bases have their share of douche bags, Pitt seems to have a disproportionate amount. Now I will admit bias because not only am I a Marquette Alum, but I have been a Penn State guy since I could spell Nittany. It just seems to be there is a constant overhyping of talent and skill of both football and basketball teams, as well as extend overassedness. Now, I have met some very excellent Pitt fans, nicest people you could meet, but I sometimes wonder if they are the rule or exception based on other experiences.
In the end, I think Pitt-MU is going to turn into a really huge rivalry....it has a lot of the same elements as the Cincy-MU rivalry, right down to the styles of play.
***Pitt seems to have a disproportionate amount
I still say nowhere near the proportion of, say, Louisville or Cincinnati. They seem to be on par with Wisconsin.
On a percentage basis, DePaul takes the cake. When their fan comes on our board and talks smack, they achieve 100% douche bag rating. Then again, the sample size is so small that we should probably just ignore him.
My guess is the WVU/Pitt rivalry extends to the perceived differences in historical class structure--the steelworkers of Pittsburgh having higher social status than the coalminers of West Virginia.
i am not sure i have hated players as much as i hated brandin knight and carl krauser. they were both ball hogging, camera mugging pgs who had to have their spotlight first over the success of the team.
Brandin was a ball hog? I am not quite sure I agree with that statement. Regardless, almost every PITT fan will tell you, they were not happy with the nonsense Krauser displayed on the court, but he was still one of our own so we will defend him until we are blue in the face. Sometimes even when a parent knows their child is wrong, they still must defend them if a non-family member is attacking them. Krauser's game was much to be desired and we are definetly a better team without him this year.
"if there is one thing that is certain in life, it is that pitt will never advance past the sweet 16 in the ncaa tournament"
Care to make a little wager on that? We are a team that is driven by man to man defense and ball control offense. We used to allow teams to beat themselves, but now we are a lot more balanced. If a team had a star player (i.e. Dwayne Wade) or is very disciplined, they could beat us on any given night. We are clearly not the most talented team in the conference, let alone the nation (although we are the most talented team PITT has had in 20 years). Our highest recruits on the team are probably Sam Young and Tyrell Biggs, neither of which has lived up to their hype this year, yet we continue to win against many different teams and styles.
PITT plays as a team, as individuals we would probably just make the NCAA tournament. This is the best team and talent we have had in the last 20 years. While we cant out-talent the likes of UNC, Florida, Kansas, Wisconsin and probably even Marquette, we play better as a team then any of them. At some point, immense talent can overcome an incredible team effort as we saw with Florida last year and probably this year. They are not only as talented as you can get, they play very well as a team, unlike a Kansas or UNC which will probably be 1st or 2nd round upsets.
Hopefully this will be our year, although I say this every year!
I never rooted for Pitt more than when they beat Madison at the BC in 2004. What a great day to stick it to all of those Badger fans, chanting "Let's Go Pitt!" as we were leaving the BC in our MU gear.
That's why Pitt always has a special place in my heart.
Only two things I'll dispute:
Anyone who says Brandin Knight was a ball-hog or dirty player has never really watched him play as he was definitely neither. What he was, was the most talented player on a team full of over-achievers and oftentimes offensively had to take the whole team on his back. As a person, he is one the most soft-spoken and understated young men you'll ever meet.
Accepting the opinion of Pitt from anyone connected to WVU or Penn State is the same as if I went onto badger nation and asked them what they thought of MU fans. ::)
NO ONE is taking this game lightly. In fact most have this as being the hardest home game that Pitt will have this year. And most have our game with you up there penciled in as a loss. It has been an enigmatic year for your team, but when you're clicking, well, you can stay with anyone in the nation.
For all traveling to the game, enjoy the Pete! It is a great basketball environment and you'll be treated with respect.
Good Luck to you (except for Sunday at 3 PM, of course!) Go Big East! Hail to Pitt!
i emant no ill will to you guys personally. and i do agree that you are a much better team without krauser. for me, what sets you guys apart this year is mike cook, giving you the ability to bring in a little "microwave" in ramon off the bench. you guys are definitley a balanced and well coached team, and this may very well be the year you guys get over the hump. as a fellow big east school, i'll root for you guys once the ncaas start...but not a day sooner, as i'm sure you understand.
Quote from: Marquette84 on January 18, 2007, 04:22:44 PM
***Pitt seems to have a disproportionate amount
I still say nowhere near the proportion of, say, Louisville or Cincinnati. They seem to be on par with Wisconsin.
On a percentage basis, DePaul takes the cake. When their fan comes on our board and talks smack, they achieve 100% douche bag rating. Then again, the sample size is so small that we should probably just ignore him.
My guess is the WVU/Pitt rivalry extends to the perceived differences in historical class structure--the steelworkers of Pittsburgh having higher social status than the coalminers of West Virginia.
Maybe originally.... but there isn't any steel workers left in Pittsburgh. Now Pitt's major industry is mostly the medical field.
...which probably makes us even MORE uppity when compared to the WV coalminers.
;D
Hey, kudos to the Pitt fans who have come here and made reasoned, passionate defenses of their team without raising to the level of jerk. You represent well. You are making it tough to hate your team. I am still going to try, though, at least through the weekend. ;) For the record, I admire what your team is doing and think a split for the season is likely. I sure wish you would have beat bucky.
Its interesting to see the talk of Brandin Knight on here. I knew he was highly regarded when he was at Pitt and while I watched him a few times during the course of the regular season his final year at Pitt, I didn't ever recall seeing anything dirty in him. However, he came off very poorly during our sweet 16 game that year and while I don't recall exactly what he was doing, I lost a lot of respect for him that game. That game, a few of Krausers exploits last year and the push on James does make me dislike Pitt more than some of our other rivals.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on January 19, 2007, 09:06:47 AM
Its interesting to see the talk of Brandin Knight on here. I knew he was highly regarded when he was at Pitt and while I watched him a few times during the course of the regular season his final year at Pitt, I didn't ever recall seeing anything dirty in him. However, he came off very poorly during our sweet 16 game that year and while I don't recall exactly what he was doing, I lost a lot of respect for him that game. That game, a few of Krausers exploits last year and the push on James does make me dislike Pitt more than some of our other rivals.
I understand opposing team fans' dislike for Krauser.
The dislike for Knight is puzzling. He was never a dirty player.
And the guy who called him a "ball hog" is simply clueless. He's Pitt's all-time assist leader with nearly 800 over his career.
Brandin's problem was that he was ~30% from 3P and ~50% from the FT line. He was a great "floor general", but a HORRIBLE shooter. And he never did anything to show up the opposition like Krauser did.
Knight and Krauser were as different as night and day. They had nothing in common in their styles of play or their personalities other than the name on the front of their jerseys.
having a lot of assists does not make you any less of a ball hog. if you demand the ball in your hands for 90% of the game, you will inherently generate gaudy statisitics. iverson is currently 11th in the nba in assists at 7.3 per game. is this because he is an extremely unselfish player, or simply a product of dominating the ball. i would vote the latter. i understand your desire to defend your players - heck, a lot of opposing teams and fans hated travis diener, but i will defend him to the death - but i don't believe i am incorrect in my assessment of brandin knight.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 19, 2007, 10:04:23 AM
having a lot of assists does not make you any less of a ball hog. if you demand the ball in your hands for 90% of the game, you will inherently generate gaudy statisitics. iverson is currently 11th in the nba in assists at 7.3 per game. is this because he is an extremely unselfish player, or simply a product of dominating the ball. i would vote the latter. i understand your desire to defend your players - heck, a lot of opposing teams and fans hated travis diener, but i will defend him to the death - but i don't believe i am incorrect in my assessment of brandin knight.
Brandin Knight simply did not play the game the way you describe. His senior year, he was third on the team in shots attempted, despite being first in minutes. Brandin was a classic distributor of the ball.
I think you saw Krauser so many times that you think some of them were actually Knight instead.
You're simply wrong in your assessment of Knight.
Krauser dominated the basketball, and demanded it most of the time. Knight simply played a completely different game than that.
I'm not defending Brandin for the sake of defending him.... He had SEVERAL shortcomings... the main one being he was an awful shooter - both at the line and beyond the arc. His dribble penetration mostly ended with a dish to Zavackas or Lett or Brown. Krauser's dribble penetration mostly ended with a shot, or an offensive foul.
I'm guessing you saw Knight play once or twice... hard to generalize about a 120+ game career based on that.
You're simply wrong.
i guess i'll just have to take your word on those stats since you don't say where you got them from. I , however, will defer to this stat sheet from the end of the 2001-2002 season:
http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2001-2002/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM (http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2001-2002/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM)
according to this, mr. knight attempted an astounding 117 shots more than the closest player on the team! That is nearly 25% of the shots taken by the team. i will state that he added a little more than 7 assists a contest, but again, this is merely a product of him dominating the ball. and i've seen him play enough to know his game...
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 19, 2007, 10:29:03 AM
i guess i'll just have to take your word on those stats since you don't say where you got them from. I , however, will defer to this stat sheet from the end of the 2001-2002 season:
http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2001-2002/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM (http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2001-2002/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM)
according to this, mr. knight attempted an astounding 117 shots more than the closest player on the team! That is nearly 25% of the shots taken by the team. i will state that he added a little more than 7 assists a contest, but again, this is merely a product of him dominating the ball. and i've seen him play enough to know his game...
I will agree that his Junior year, he dominated the ball more... he was also named Big East player of the year. His shots were actually dropping that year.
His senior year (2002-03), he was much less dominating with the ball. His shooting was horrendous.
But as someone who has seen boht Kinght and Krauser play every single game of their careers, I really think that if you want to compare someone to Iverson... the player is Krauser, not Knight. Especially Knight's senior season.
Not to change the subject completely... but the reason Pitt fans are so high on Levance Fields is that he combines the best of Knight (protecting the ball, using his teammates) with the best of Krauser (bulldog attitude, better dribble-drive, better shooter).... without the WORST of Knight (horrible shooting) and the WORST of Krauser (ball domination, turnovers, trash-talking).
We look at Levance, and see a better-mannered version of Khalid el-Amin... and that excites the hell out of a lot of us long-time Pitt hoops fans.