As of 7:30 P.M. on January 31st, 2009.
1) UConn 42-18
2) Georgetown 41-18 0.5 GB
3) Louisville 40-18 1.0 GB
4) Marquette 39-19 2.0 GB
5) Pittsburgh 39-20 2.5 GB
6) Villanova 36-21
7) West Virginia 35-23
8) Notre Dame 34-25
9) Syracuse 31-28
10) Providence 25-33
11) Seton Hall 22-36
11) Cincinnati 22-36
13) DePaul 20-38
14) St. Johns 19-39
15) Rutgers 13-45
16) South Florida 9-49
For those old Big East schools who think we don't belong, I think we've held our own.
Yeah, Crean was a terrible coach. What a jerk. He never did anything good for us anyway. Good riddance, not like he ever put us in a position to win.
Quote from: JSwarriors08 on January 31, 2009, 07:55:56 PM
Yeah, Crean was a terrible coach. What a jerk. He never did anything good for us anyway. Good riddance.
That's a great point. Crean kept us towards the top of the Big East. Not an easy feat.
he may have kept us towards the top of the big east, but he's still a dbag as a person. i'm very happy with buzz
That's a terrible point, because nobody said anything even close to that.
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on January 31, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
he may have kept us towards the top of the big east, but he's still a dbag as a person. i'm very happy with buzz
Never defended his personality. I was and continue to be a critic of his personality/ideology/ego. But he made us into a competitive BEast program, and these standings convey that.
Navin, not to start another war of words with you, but I'm just saying it because Crean gets flamed quite a bit on this board. Crean is a big reason why we're up there on that list.
I'm sorry, South Florida. You've been voted off the island. I heard the Southland conference is looking for new blood, give them a call.
Quote from: JSwarriors08 on January 31, 2009, 08:39:01 PM
Never defended his personality. I was and continue to be a critic of his personality/ideology/ego. But he made us into a competitive BEast program, and these standings convey that.
Navin, not to start another war of words with you, but I'm just saying it because Crean gets flamed quite a bit on this board. Crean is a big reason why we're up there on that list.
Losses @DePaul and @Rutgers is why we're not tied for first.
Quote from: JSwarriors08 on January 31, 2009, 07:55:56 PM
Yeah, Crean was a terrible coach. What a jerk. He never did anything good for us anyway. Good riddance, not like he ever put us in a position to win.
thank you for making another thread that doesn't bring him up into one about him. great job. ::)
Quote from: JSwarriors08 on January 31, 2009, 08:39:01 PM
Crean is a big reason why we're up there on that list.
Yep, and
everyone would agree with that, so go ahead and say that. That's not what you said though...
Quote from: JSwarriors08 on January 31, 2009, 07:55:56 PM
Yeah, Crean was a terrible coach. What a jerk. He never did anything good for us anyway. Good riddance, not like he ever put us in a position to win.
Clearly directed at people on this board, who frankly have never really said that. He does take heat on this board, but if you want to criticize, criticize for what people actually say, not what you make up.
It still amazes me how ungrateful Marquette fans are to Tom Crean and his many accomplishments. If we were to conduct a national poll of media members who exclusively report on college basketball, how many respondants would criticize the job Crean did at MU? Survey says....VERY FEW....if any!
I went to school during the Mike Deane days. The guy once said on a post game interview the NIT was as good as the NCAA tournament. He made the comment as if he strived to get Madison Square Garden every year instead of the "Big Dance." He's the same guy who exhausted all of his timeouts before the half. He's the same guy who let our squad get embarrassed by Austin Croshere and the Providence Friars in a first round NCAA game. He's the same guy who recruited two star athletes who wouldn't be considered by many D3 schools. Tom Crean resurrected the program from the dead. Give the man his just due.
BF, T-Cubed "recruited" his fair share of D-3 athletes as well, only difference is he thought they were D-1 caliber players.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 01, 2009, 02:08:32 PM
BF, T-Cubed "recruited" his fair share of D-3 athletes as well, only difference is he thought they were D-1 caliber players.
No, the difference is that Crean also recruited multiple players that play in the NBA, not to mention this year's Fab 4. It's funny, your and a few others' constant over-the-top bashing of Crean have actually made me like him again. Thanks!
Quote from: muwarrior87 on February 01, 2009, 11:16:29 AM
thank you for making another thread that doesn't bring him up into one about him. great job. ::)
How do you have a discussion about MU's success in the Big East so far when he was the coach that brought us through our first three years of it? I don't know if it's a rational discussion to talk about being proud of where we are and not discussing how we got there.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 01, 2009, 11:25:52 AM
Clearly directed at people on this board, who frankly have never really said that. He does take heat on this board, but if you want to criticize, criticize for what people actually say, not what you make up.
Umm... Have you read anything that Hayward writes?
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on February 01, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
Losses @DePaul and @Rutgers is why we're not tied for first.
Fluke upsets in the BEast are not a problem that only Tommy Boy experienced. In fact, it happens quite regularly.
C-USA is actually represented admirably on that list, though Cincy needs to step it up. I think everyone knew going in that South Florida was going to be a football school first.
Sorry Crean lovers but if Queer Tommy were still hear we would rpobably be way doen that list, Buzz's 8-0 record has us where we are. Also, I love this comment.
He's the same guy who let our squad get embarrassed by Austin Croshere and the Providence Friars in a first round NCAA game.
Ahh is isnt that waht Tommy Naismith did as well ( oh yeah except for the 4 years we went to the NIT) Just insert Jean, or MSU or Tulsa and you have your same comment, however Unlike Providence the Crean years we got embarrased by a lower seed in two of those cases by a double digit seed.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 02, 2009, 10:58:49 AM
Sorry Crean lovers but if Queer Tommy were still hear we would rpobably be way doen that list, Buzz's 8-0 record has us where we are. Also, I love this comment.
He's the same guy who let our squad get embarrassed by Austin Croshere and the Providence Friars in a first round NCAA game.
Ahh is isnt that waht Tommy Naismith did as well ( oh yeah except for the 4 years we went to the NIT) Just insert Jean, or MSU or Tulsa and you have your same comment, however Unlike Providence the Crean years we got embarrased by a lower seed in two of those cases by a double digit seed.
10 Providence 81
7 Marquette 59
A 22-point loss to a 10-seed ... and it wasn't that close.
Ohh beleive me I remeber the game....My point was ( the poster ripped Dean and used this as his guage) that that is pretty much what Cream delivered to us every year sans Wade. Higher seed punked us. As that dip crap raced up and down the sidelines.
Al, ...that is Al McGuire for the newbies that think Cream started Mu basketball...Al used to say he tried to hype up lesser games and build the other team up to make sure his team was pumped and hyped for the lesser games and did not play down to their level. And that he would do his best to relax his team and have a relaxed mentality/lockeroom before big games. he felt his players knew they were big games and knew who they were playing and the last thing they needed was there coach going crazy and over hyping it. He correctly felt emotion drains strength and did not want them over emotional.
Crean was the very worst at this. See Final Four , see Conference tournament record, see big games, See first round NCAA tournament games. His maniacal nervous manner tightened up his teams to a detriment. Kids need to be loose before the big games. Unfortunately four Nine years Mu teams were wound tight as a top before big games just like their coach. One of a million prefect examples of this was the MU ND game a few years back. At ND, Mu is playing really well and the game is very emotiona, wes gets shoved Crean grabs the ball and goes freaking cookoo for 5 minutes refs have to stop the game, they have to tear the ball away from Crean, he goes crazy, ND blows us out from there.
I saw Crean just as he got off the Bus down in New Orleans in the Superdome afew hours before gametime....i knew we were dead. Michigan state game classic Crean must have wound himself into a tizzy to the point he got his team embarrsed by a poor MSU team.
That freaking clown is thankfully no longer MU's problem....I will say this though he will lose double digit games for the 6th straight year this year and Mu will not loose double digit games for the first year since DWade was on campus.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 02, 2009, 10:58:49 AM
Sorry Crean lovers but if Queer Tommy were still hear we would rpobably be way doen that list, Buzz's 8-0 record has us where we are. Also, I love this comment.
He's the same guy who let our squad get embarrassed by Austin Croshere and the Providence Friars in a first round NCAA game.
Ahh is isnt that waht Tommy Naismith did as well ( oh yeah except for the 4 years we went to the NIT) Just insert Jean, or MSU or Tulsa and you have your same comment, however Unlike Providence the Crean years we got embarrased by a lower seed in two of those cases by a double digit seed.
Ha... right on cue. Thanks for the insightful post. I think you helped prove my point. I don't understand your posts. At all.
WHO CARES?! Tom Crean is gone, but his name gets brought up every week. Move on, enjoy this year's team and look to the future with Buzz.
Quote from: chris006 on February 02, 2009, 12:45:01 PM
WHO CARES?! Tom Crean is gone, but his name gets brought up every week. Move on, enjoy this year's team and look to the future with Buzz.
+100
the bottom is mostly the old big east teams...rutgers, seton hall, usf, st johns...think that says something
Quote from: bballjones98 on February 03, 2009, 01:12:09 PM
the bottom is mostly the old big east teams...rutgers, seton hall, usf, st johns...think that says something
3 of the bottom 5 are old CUSA teams. Including last night, old CUSA teams are 130-161 (44.7%), which is not too good, especially when you consider we are .500 when we play each other, so our winning percentage against old Big East teams is actually worse than 44.7%, probably closer to 40%.
The biggest reason for this poor record, IMO, is Huggins' flameout at Cincy. You would probably reverse their 22-36 if Huggins was still there, which when you consider that some of those wins would have come at the expense of other CUSA teams would have brought us to about even with the old Big East teams.
What Big East schools think Marquette doesn't belong?
No one now. This is just another inane thread that got hijacked by the too tan tyrannical tommy chat.
Quote from: Villacats on February 03, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
What Big East schools think Marquette doesn't belong?
I really don't think it's on a school by school basis. It's just that some of the alumni from the old-guard Big East teams tend to be persnickety towards us noobies. It'll go away in a couple of years, and it does make sense that some feel this way because we are the new kids on the block (don't get excited, we're not the band). Nobody likes losing to the new guy, so we'll just have to keep winning until the old-guard is used to losing to us :P
Quote from: Villacats on February 03, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
What Big East schools think Marquette doesn't belong?
I've actually never seen any debate that the "new" BE schools don't belong as far as talent go. However, I have read a bit of grumbling regarding the travel required after adding the new schools (and ND actually) - thus not really "belonging" in the Big East. I can agree with that to some extent, but changing the name to the "Big 'East of the Mississippi'" seems a bit much.
Personally, I love all the challenges of our super conference, and the new rivalries. Gives me good excuses to travel too!
Oh, sounded like something Georgetown fans would say. If you all haven't figured it out yet, you shouldn't pay to much attention to them. I'll be polite and say Hoya fans have a rather warped view of the college basketball landscape and their team's place in it.