I watched (from all indications) ex-MU target Jamil Wilson play against Kenosha Bradford tonight. He finished with 13 points and nine rebounds, including a pair of two-handed dunks off of passes off the glass.
This is the first time I've ever seen Wilson and I came away impressed in some ways and really disappointed in others.
Positives: He's an incredible physical specimen. He's listed at 6-7, but appears to have the wingspan of a 7-footer. He looks like he could grab a quarter off the top of the backboard effortlessly. A real high-flyer. His two dunks were impressive how far above the rim he secured the ball and how effortlessly he threw them down. He showed, at times, explosiveness to the rim.
Negatives: He plays with no passion. His team was down 11 at halftime to a really, really bad team and all he did was run around with his head down and blame teammates. His body language is awful. He looks like he's bored. Often you forget he's on the court and then he comes out of nowhere and nearly takes down the rim. Really an enigma. He played hard maybe two or three times the entire game. With his long arms and his incredible length, he has the potential of being an incredible defender but yet he rarely challenged anyone on either side of the floor. He scored all of his points on dunks and putbacks. He took three rushed jumpers and missed badly on all three of them. Shot 1-for-4 from the free throw line.
Wilson is certainly an intriguing prospect with tremendous physical abilities. Other than that, I can't really say much else. He was, all-in-all, a disappointment.
Why are you so mean to this dead horse. Stop the insanity. Who cares? No one should care abotu a guy who will be playing at Oregon or Texas next year. If anything these posts should now be in the superbar, because it is a Wisconsin Sports Topic, not a Marquette Sports topic.
He is an unbelievable talent with upside potential. By all accounts he is a good kid. The negatives might be true but he might be one of the most talented athletes from WI in a long time. If he ever puts his mind to it he has NBA talent and could be there quickly if he put his mind/effort into it. Again, please remember that he is supposed to be a good kid.
He had his chance, he didn't want us, we move on. I am more than happy with next year's incoming class.
I still have no idea why any MU fan would NOT want this kid. My hopes for the program seem to be higher than many on here. It's like when you were young and a hot girl passed on you the 1st time..are you really going to skip the exercise with her if she comes back a 2nd time? Kids change their minds all the time...cross your fingers Jamil Wilson is a Warrior.
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on January 21, 2009, 09:10:45 AM
I still have no idea why any MU fan would NOT want this kid. My hopes for the program seem to be higher than many on here. It's like when you were young and a hot girl passed on you the 1st time..are you really going to skip the exercise with her if she comes back a 2nd time? Kids change their minds all the time...cross your fingers Jamil Wilson is a Warrior.
I'm just not sure everybody thinks she is as hot as you do.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 21, 2009, 09:12:05 AM
I'm just not sure everybody thinks she is as hot as you do.
+1
It is not as though we aren't in on a number of guys who have at least equal potential. I think Williams would be a nice get, but it sounds as though there are similar issues between him and a guy like Riley and in that spot I'd rather have the guy who is taller.
I would take Wilson in a second for a Few reasons. I like the fact that we are getting Wisc players. Guys that are that familiar with the school and the area are less likely to leave. Also In the spring you rarely can get a player this talented, you usually are searching for a Diamond in the rough. I feel like we are looking at 3 or 4 Big East caliber palyers. Maybe Wilson, L Willams, D Smith who is putting up great #'s in the Chicago public league and Riley. I have no problem with Buzz moving on to other recruits, but I would never burn a bridge it makes no sense. Think about who MU has signed in the spring the last 5 years? Wilson would be the best by far.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on January 21, 2009, 09:31:42 AM
I would take Wilson in a second for a Few reasons. I like the fact that we are getting Wisc players. Guys that are that familiar with the school and the area are less likely to leave. Also In the spring you rarely can get a player this talented, you usually are searching for a Diamond in the rough. I feel like we are looking at 3 or 4 Big East caliber palyers. Maybe Wilson, L Willams, D Smith who is putting up great #'s in the Chicago public league and Riley. I have no problem with Buzz moving on to other recruits, but I would never burn a bridge it makes no sense. Think about who MU has signed in the spring the last 5 years? Wilson would be the best by far.
Fair points. I'm not anti-Wilson at all, I just don't think it is a real big deal if we end up going a different direction.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on January 21, 2009, 09:31:42 AM
I would take Wilson in a second for a Few reasons. I like the fact that we are getting Wisc players. Guys that are that familiar with the school and the area are less likely to leave. Also In the spring you rarely can get a player this talented, you usually are searching for a Diamond in the rough. I feel like we are looking at 3 or 4 Big East caliber palyers. Maybe Wilson, L Willams, D Smith who is putting up great #'s in the Chicago public league and Riley. I have no problem with Buzz moving on to other recruits, but I would never burn a bridge it makes no sense. Think about who MU has signed in the spring the last 5 years? Wilson would be the best by far.
Agreed. If Wilson were available and a scholie was open, I would take him in a heartbeat. I've seen him play several tiemes and I agree that his talent is just too much to overlook. He seems to be a team player. His effort just needs to be more consistent.
Guys obviously not getting him would not be a big deal, but getting him would be a big deal. My only point the past six months has been why would you not want a super talent from your own backyard? I get frustrated because it seems that 2/3 of the posts are we do not need him nor want him. I think that is a negative attitude.
The addition of Wilson would make a very good/great recruiting class into an impact class. A class where if everyone stays healthy and in school you are thinking FF down the road. In addition, it would make recruiting easier down the road.
I'm all for taking this playa if Buzz and staff think they can light a fire beneath him as he is very talented. Sometimes that's more difficult than teaching man defense. From what I've observed and others in Racine I've spoken with, he's LAZY.
ecompt is right, this is a troublesome situation. he may have potential, but that only means he hasn't done anything yet. And he does not look inclined to expend the energy to accomplish much unless it is handed to him. Could be poisonous to the entire program.
I agree as well if we had signed Mike Kinsella and Scott christopherson at this point ahhh throw in Jamil Lott and had an open scholie I would really really want Jamil. But the point is we have a by all accounts a similar player in Maymon who according to all the experts a better player that also players significantly harder. In additon to that we have a nother player that plays a similar positoion that just scored 33 of his teams 70 points and hauled down 20 rebounds and had 6 blocks in e. Williams. did not see the game but by those number he did not take too many plays off.
Yes would love the local kid but it seems we have 2 better players to replace him. It's not like Bell redshirted so we signed Niv!!!!
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on January 21, 2009, 09:46:06 AM
Guys obviously not getting him would not be a big deal, but getting him would be a big deal. My only point the past six months has been why would you not want a super talent from your own backyard? I get frustrated because it seems that 2/3 of the posts are we do not need him nor want him. I think that is a negative attitude.
You're missing the point. Jamil isn't a super talent...he's a super athlete. There's a huge difference. You've bought into the hype that was thrown around two years ago about him, when much of that was overblown. Watch him for the last year, when he's actually playing top competition, and he doesn't live up to that at all. Heck watch him against lower level competition, and he looks disinterested and lazy, two things you never want in a player you're recruiting regardless of their competition.
Jamil's a kid who was highly ranked based on the idea that he would add basketball skills to go with the reach and leaping ability and strength. By and large, he hasn't. He's got a decent handle but that's it. He's an average at best shooter, both long range and mid range. He's never built upon the initial passing skills he had 3 years ago, which is a shame. He dogs it on defense, and doesn't show good form when he does play.
Lots of kids get highly ranked off opinions against inferior competition when they were 14 and fail to live up to the hype. Right now, Jamil is one of those kids. He's not an NBA prospect, and never will be unless he matches actually basketball skills and heart with his freakish athleticism.
BMA, it almost sounds like you're describing Trend Blackledge...
Trend was 155 ibs when he graduated High School. I think Wilson was not pushed hard enough in high school, and he also splitt time into other sports. Get him into college program and that may get him started. If Trend was the same player as a high school senior as he was a college senior I would take him knowing you cannot teach his length, Timing, or his athletic ability.
If he dogs it on defense, he's not playing much for Buzz. I've never seen him play but judging from what people are reporting here, good luck whereever he winds up as long as it's not MU.
Quote from: augoman on January 21, 2009, 01:15:03 PM
BMA, it almost sounds like you're describing Trend Blackledge...
Trend was a freak athlete with almost no basketball skill. Wilson is a freak athlete with some basketball skill.
Wilson at least has some skills, but that's precisely the problem. He's had those same skills since he was 14 and one of the top 10 guys in the class. Everyone else got better, and he's stayed essentially the same. He's still a bad outside shooter, he still doesn't have much mid range game. He still scores mostly on dunks and put backs etc.
I like put backs and love dunks.
NYG--ditto.
Quote from: nyg on January 21, 2009, 03:31:31 PM
I like put backs and love dunks.
Pretty easy to have them against Kenosha Bradford and Racine Prairie. Not so likely when it's your best skill and you're trying to do it against UConn and Pitt.
Trevor Mbakwe and Kinsella could probably tear it up against Kenosha.
Quote from: bma725 on January 21, 2009, 04:02:25 PM
Pretty easy to have them against Kenosha Bradford and Racine Prairie. Not so likely when it's your best skill and you're trying to do it against UConn and Pitt.
But playing off the next "three amigos" in Maymon, Cadougan, and Williams you'd think putbacks would be easy to come by, no?
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on January 21, 2009, 09:10:45 AM
I still have no idea why any MU fan would NOT want this kid. My hopes for the program seem to be higher than many on here. It's like when you were young and a hot girl passed on you the 1st time..are you really going to skip the exercise with her if she comes back a 2nd time? Kids change their minds all the time...cross your fingers Jamil Wilson is a Warrior.
Terrell Owens factor. There are many great athletes that can cripple a locker room or team. That's my concern. It's not just talent that is the key.
I say bring in the big man DeShonte Riley(by the way who's visiting MU this weekend) and we can then end the discussion of Jamil Wilson.
I say we bring them both in.
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on January 22, 2009, 03:17:53 AM
I say we bring them both in.
Sounds good to me ... so long as Wilson is willing to walk on.
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on January 22, 2009, 03:17:53 AM
I say we bring them both in.
and what do you propose we do with two players over the limit if you are handing out scholarships left and right?
We're still out there recruiting for next year which makes me believe scollies are available for the right guys.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on January 21, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
I say bring in the big man DeShonte Riley(by the way who's visiting MU this weekend) and we can then end the discussion of Jamil Wilson.
Doris Burke's Thong: That is both disturbing and hilarious at the same time!
(P.S. From what I've been told by 4ever, she prefers full coverage.)
I'm going to change my screen name to "Henry Sugar's Thong", just to fit in with the cool kids.
or maybe just change it to "Steve Cottingham's Thong"
Think I will change mine to Detroitwarrior's "granny panties" ;D