People on this board were bitching like crazy in the first half. Well look ladies we won the game, now what?
We didn't win the game, Bucky lost it
They didn't cover ;)
Lighten up, Francis. It was a nice W.
Burke deserves a round of applause. Especially for all the slack he catches on this blog. The man may not be the greatest player on the court but he plays with heart and tonight made excellent basketball decisions. Even when he was "D-ing" up Landry.
Well, if you're serious about the question, I guess we could still complain that we don't have an inside presence
complaint--how about starters only 50% from the line or rebounding in first half or very quick shots when working the clock was our friend
how about only 10 ast where is the ball movement
When you're blowing by guys by beating them off the dribble, you're not going to get many assists.
Quote from: romey on December 06, 2008, 10:41:53 PM
Well, if you're serious about the question, I guess we could still complain that we don't have an inside presence
While you're at it, you could complain about the lack of rain in the desert or the wind in Milwaukee. I prefer to focus on something the players and coaches can actually control.
To paraphrase coach Green, we are who we thought we were.
Uh...we only won by three at home with the best team we will have in the next decade.....
This team continues to be a disappointment. End of story.
Ha. Did anyone notice how espn did not initially acknowledge are ranking in the box score against UW but with the final score in and the article up about the game it labels us as #25?
Quote from: MUDish on December 06, 2008, 10:47:59 PM
When you're blowing by guys by beating them off the dribble, you're not going to get many assists.
+1 Seriously people
that our coach can't slick his hair back</sarcasm>
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 10:48:32 PM
Uh...we only won by three at home with the best team we will have in the next decade.....
This team continues to be a disappointment. End of story.
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Man, it must suck to be you. Do you ever enjoy being a fan?
The shots of Buzz jumping up and down were priceless. It was a sloppy game and we didn't shoot well at all, but it was a classic college atmosphere. If I ever again hear one word about the effectiveness of the swing offense, I am going to puke.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 10:48:32 PM
Uh...we only won by three at home with the best team we will have in the next decade.....
This team continues to be a disappointment. End of story.
This is a good win. I don't care if MU won by 1 or 20, a win is a win, especially against UW.
Also, I doubt this will be the best MU squad for the next decade. You're talking about a team that currently plays 4 against 5 and has little bench support.
Given the job Buzz did tonight. I'd like to complain Crean didn't leave earlier he would never have made the adjustments Buzz made.
Quote from: RJax55 on December 06, 2008, 10:57:34 PM
This is a good win. I don't care if MU won by 1 or 20, a win is a win, especially against UW.
Also, I doubt this will be the best MU squad for the next decade. You're talking about a team that currently plays 4 against 5 and has little bench support.
This team has underachieved consistently throughout this season. We should have won by more than 3, period. Dukiet could have coached this team to victory.
Let's face reality people. Stop making excuses. This team should be playing better.
I just wonder if this means Brian Gregory is a better coach than Bo Ryan.
Where's Red when you need him?
No doubt somebody is going to complain about switching defenses--even though it obviously confused bucky and was the turning point of the game.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:02:16 PM
Dude. This team will underachieve throughout the season like they have the entire season thus far. We should hve won by 20, period, with the existing talent on the floor.
Wow, "end of story" - "period"
You say it so definitively that it must be true.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:02:16 PM
This team has underachieved consistently throughout this season. We should have won by more than 3, period. Dukiet could have coached this team to victory.
Let's face reality people. Stop making excuses. This team should be playing better.
i hope you're either, 1. kidding 2. a wisconsin fan or 3. bipolar
Neither. A win by three at home is equivalent to a loss on a neutral court.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:10:43 PM
Neither. A win by three at home is equivalent to a loss.
really??? are we 6-2 now or 7-1 i forgot cause i can't count. also wisconsin was ranked a head of us, so i don't know where you thought this was a loss. a win is a win, we have to work on things but to complain about a win against a good team is nuts, they aren't houston baptist or something.
Quote from: MUSF on December 06, 2008, 10:48:17 PM
While you're at it, you could complain about the lack of rain in the desert or the wind in Milwaukee. I prefer to focus on something the players and coaches can actually control.
To paraphrase coach Green, we are who we thought we were.
It sure doesn't rain enough in the desert and it can get pretty windy in Milwaukee - especially downtown.
Hey, he asked what we could complain about, so I told him. Just because we can't change it, doesn't mean we can't complain about it. I've heard thousands of people complain about Milwaukee's weather.
I'm thrilled we won. It's tremendous. Let's keep improving and working hard. But if someone asks what we're going to complain about, it kind of opens the door doesn't it?
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:10:43 PM
Neither. A win by three at home is equivalent to a loss.
Man, I've got to take back all of my celebrating after Mason hit that corner jumper to beat Louisville in 2004, considering it was apparently an 81-80 loss that day.
UW was ranked, what 22. A team led by 4 seniors, with the experience they have---a near sweet 16 team---should be at least close to a top 10 team this year. You people are satisfied with a marginal 3 point win over a depeleted Wico team at home????
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:02:16 PM
Dude. This team will underachieve throughout the season like they have the entire season thus far. We should hve won by 20, period, with the existing talent on the floor.
Dude, are you serious??? Either your really overrating this MU squad or significantly downgrading UW. I would give MU the edge in these areas: PG, SG & SF. UW has the edge at PF, C, bench and coaching.
Landry is a better player than Hayward. I though MU defense on Landry was the difference in the game ... Great job by both Hayward and Matthews. How good would Keaton look on this MU squad ... The difference between him and Burke is like day and night. Also, UW is able to bring a player with the skill set of Luer off the bench.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:15:01 PM
UW was ranked, what 22. A team led by 4 seniors, with the esperience they have---a near sweet 16 team---should be uh perhaps in the top 10. You people are satisfied with a marginal 3 point win over a depeleted Wico team at home????
Show some pride.
hell yes i am. do you want a real loss? would that make you happy?
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:15:01 PM
UW was ranked, what 22. A team led by 4 seniors, with the esperience they have---a near sweet 16 team---should be uh perhaps in the top 10. You people are satisfied with a marginal 3 point win over a depeleted Wico team at home????
Show some pride.
In this rivalry, a win is a win. Your argument is bizarre at best. Either set of fans would take a lifetime of guaranteed 1 point wins.
Quote from: TJ on December 06, 2008, 11:14:48 PM
Man, I've got to take back all of my celebrating after Mason hit that corner jumper to beat Louisville in 2004, considering it was apparently an 81-80 loss that day.
Im not saying dont celebrate. Just take off the rose colored glasses and recognize this team has undeperformed thus far. We should be undefeated right now.
95% of all Div 1 coaches could have coached this team to this record. We are underachieving people. I contribute in part to have the school hire a coach who can motivate a team to perform better than expectations.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:20:41 PM
Im not saying dont celebrate. Just take off the rose colored glasses and recognize this team has undeperformed this far. We should be undefeated right now.
95% of all Div 1 coaches could have coached this team to this record. We are underachieving people.
Ok you can leave now and go quietly into the night......................what a downer you are.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:10:43 PM
Neither. A win by three at home is equivalent to a loss.
Yep, I bet in February if we are a bubble team the competition committee will look at this game and see that we only one by three and will eliminate us based on that.
... or it will be listed among our good wins and be used as a reason we should be in. One of the two.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:20:41 PM
Im not saying dont celebrate. Just take off the rose colored glasses and recognize this team has undeperformed this far. We should be undefeated right now.
95% of all Div 1 coaches could have coached this team to this record. We are underachieving people.
notre dame should be undefeated too. Duke should be undefeated, etc. etc.
Quote from: romey on December 06, 2008, 11:23:32 PM
notre dame should be undefeated too. Duke should be undefeated, etc. etc.
True. Yet Dayton is comforted in knowing they have a coach that can motivate a team to over perform. We have not seen that in any (any) game thus far.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:20:41 PM
Im not saying dont celebrate. Just take off the rose colored glasses and recognize this team has undeperformed thus far. We should be undefeated right now.
95% of all Div 1 coaches could have coached this team to this record. We are underachieving people. I contribute in part to have the school hire a coach who can motivate a team to perform better than expectations.
so if we win every game by 3 points, no matter the team, should all those be considered losses? and who says we are such a great team now, its the same team, but it was a much better game than the one vs dayton. we are taking this game to game, mean while you're using your benchmark you set for the team as your basis.
Quote from: maxpower773 on December 06, 2008, 11:26:46 PM
so if we win every game by 3 points, no matter the team, should all those be considered losses? and who says we are such a great team now, its the same team, but it was a much better game than the one vs dayton. we are taking this game to game, mean while you're using your benchmark you set for the team as your basis.
No. But if we played this game on a neutral site, odds are we would lose. That's dissapointing with the talent/experience we have.
Why should we take this season game by game? These seniors have three years experience, and nearly a sweet 16 in their cap.
This is not a team who needs game by game experience. We should be dominating these weak opponets---especially at home.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:31:39 PM
We should be dominating these weak opponets---especially at home.
UW is not a weak opponent.
Ok fine I stand corrected. I should have said "weaker" with respect to UW-Madison. We should have won by more than three at home against a weaker opponent.
But we should have beat the weak opponents, like Texas Southern, Central Michigan, Chicago St., by more than we did.
Damn me for condemning Buzz Williams' coaching ability.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:31:39 PM
No. But if we played this game on a neutral site, odds are we would lose. That's dissapointing with the talent/experience we have.
Why should we take this season game by game? These seniors have three years experience, and nearly a sweet 16 in their cap.
This is not a team who needs game by game experience. We should be dominating these weak opponets---especially at home.
Good thing it was at home then, huh?
G'night!
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:26:16 PM
True. Yet Dayton is comforted in knowing they have a coach that can motivate a team to over perform. We have not seen that in any (any) game thus far.
Had you seen Dayton's fortunate OT win over a bad Auburn team last week, you wouldn't be saying such silly things.
How is Wisconsin "depleted"? They had, what, 15 guys in uniform? No injuries. That's a very good club.
Woah what's your problem? What point total would have been sufficient for you? You realize we were up 9 before all the standard end of game stalling and fouling occurred? You also realize we have a short bench until Fulce and Otule return?
what a stupid topic
Quote from: maxpower773 on December 06, 2008, 11:12:30 PM
really??? are we 6-2 now or 7-1 i forgot cause i can't count. also wisconsin was ranked a head of us, so i don't know where you thought this was a loss. a win is a win, we have to work on things but to complain about a win against a good team is nuts, they aren't houston baptist or something.
+1. I'm all for the argument that on the road a win is a win and you take it anyway it comes, but at home you can feel more open to critiquing performance because you should play better. But this was a team ranked ahead of us, with an experienced coach, and a frontline that could/should have given us more trouble based on our track record. Nothing that we haven't already seen to add the our list of disappointments/needs improvements. But the defense, particularly in the second half, McNeal's dominant effort, Hayward's rebounding ability, Burke showing some ability to defend a post player that will be desperately needed etc. are all positives to take out of it.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 10:48:32 PM
Uh...we only won by three at home with the best team we will have in the next decade.....
This team continues to be a disappointment. End of story.
wow! you are absolutely !@$%^*! ridiculous. what in the past has made you think we should have ever blown-out bucky? (and by the way were would have one by 6 if it wasn't for a late thrown up 3). You obviously do not know anything about this team to even say they are a disappointment - shut up about Dayton, unexpected losses come every year to every team, go check MU's record. Im sick of dumbass comments like this, our best recruiting class in a decade is coming in next year so get cheery and start being positive after a solid win that showed many positives.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:10:43 PM
Neither. A win by three at home is equivalent to a loss.
Dumbest. Post. Ever. Seriously, I wish you were in my house so I could slap you in the face.
In the 2002-2003 Final Four season #13 Marquette only beat unranked Wisconsin at Bradley Center by 9.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=223480269 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=223480269)
We were up 9 tonight before we killed the clock and they started fouling.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:10:43 PM
Neither. A win by three at home is equivalent to a loss.
You sir are an idiot, end of the story
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:26:16 PM
True. Yet Dayton is comforted in knowing they have a coach that can motivate a team to over perform. We have not seen that in any (any) game thus far.
We looked pretty motivated last night. I don't get what you are complaining about, we won. It doesn't matter if it looked ugly or not, a win is a win.
Man, Knight Commission has to be the most pathetically self-loathing MU fan ever. Take some Prozac already. WE WON!
This just in: Phillies fans are upset they only beat the Rays by one run in Game 5 of the World Series. ONE RUN? THEY WERE PLAYING AT HOME, DAMMIT.
I'd like to complain about Detfan23 even starting this thread. What's wrong with you son??
;D
Could we shoot better? Yes. Could we make more free throws? Yes. Was this a great victory? Yes. Buzz coached this team to victory tonight. Period. We are 7 - 1 which is what we wanted to be when the evening started.
I thought, based on the first 7 games, that we were a borderline NCAA team. I thought UW was a good matchup for us, with our quickness and experience counteracting their relative lack of same. The win is helpful for our NCAA tournament aspirations, so how could you be anything less than happy about it?
As for complaints, Burke played what was for him a very good game last night, but if playing B defense and D- offense (he threw in a solid screen or two to save him from an F) constitutes a very good game for our only interior player, we've still got serious issues. I'm not sure we're better than a borderline NCAA team, but I'm surer than I was yesterday.
Perhaps Knight Commission is on to something here.
In fact, I suggest the Marquette administration petition the NCAA to overturn the results of the team's three-point loss at Notre Dame last year. After all, if a three-point win at home = a loss, then logicially a three-point loss on the road = win.
Now, I shall celebrate MU's three-game sweep of the Irish last year. Taste it, Domers!
we can celebrate, too, advancing to the Sweet Sixteen. Losing to Stanford by one point on the West Coast is actually a win.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 07, 2008, 10:49:41 AM
I thought, based on the first 7 games, that we were a borderline NCAA team. I thought UW was a good matchup for us, with our quickness and experience counteracting their relative lack of same. The win is helpful for our NCAA tournament aspirations, so how could you be anything less than happy about it?
As for complaints, Burke played what was for him a very good game last night, but if playing B defense and D- offense (he threw in a solid screen or two to save him from an F) constitutes a very good game for our only interior player, we've still got serious issues. I'm not sure we're better than a borderline NCAA team, but I'm surer than I was yesterday.
ok im gonna defend knight commision a bit here. It was a great win and a great atmosphere but i can kinda see where he is coming from. A win is a win, so i dont agree with the winning by 3 isnt a win comment BUT.....
The post above shows that this team is truly underachieving. I had a moment at the bradley yesterday where i looked on the court and wondered, what the heck is going on out here??
What i think he is trying to say is that if theres ever a year where MU should be clearly better than UW its this yr. People, we had 4 guys on the court that are borderline NBA type players. Wisconsin has at best 1 and a bunch of good players, but not the caliber of our guys. MU is better at the 1-4 positions, I think lazar is better than landry. On paper, we are the much better team this season- and this isnt even mentioning playing at home and the seniority factor
So, I do agree with his assessment that the team is underperforming. I feel like people lost confidence with the team after the Dayton loss, and thats why they gave UW a shot. However, with the talent this team has it seems pretty clear that to this point they are underperforming
The good thing is that I think it will change. We cant possible keep shooting as poorly as we have can we?
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:31:39 PM
Why should we take this season game by game? These seniors have three years experience, and nearly a sweet 16 in their cap.
Because thats what every team does... take the season game by game. Why talk about the sweet 16 when we haven't reached conference play yet. Apparently you've never been in this situation. Everyone realizes this is a good team, you could say a special team. However you still take a season game by game, it is what you do.
You aren't going to blow out a Bo Ryan team unless you shoot ungodly from the 3 point range (see Duke last year)... it just isn't going to happen. One of Bo Ryan's best coaching skills is that he will always position his team to be in the game at the end, it is just the style of play. I was happy with any win, whether it be by 1 or 20... this isn't college football we don't need style points.
Quote from: Detfan23 on December 06, 2008, 10:36:06 PM
People on this board were bitching like crazy in the first half. Well look ladies we won the game, now what?
I didn't get to see the game until this morning, I was busy watching Oscar get mopped up by Manny last night. A few thoughts.
The Good
1) Played smart and with a ton of heart. Burke especially.
2) Really solid defense without picking up cheap fouls. Thought Wisconsin didn't expose our weaknesses but that's fine with me
3) Buzz's 1-3-1 was a nice move. His substitution patterns much more solid this game. The man has some hops, also. :) He got a few feet off the ground on multiple occasions protesting fouls or what should have been fouls.
4) McNeal was crazy hot from outside. He's streaky which is why so many of us hold our breath when he's shooting 3's, but last night they were dropping.
5) Fulce and Otule will make this team stronger, how much I'm not sure
The Bad
1) Free throw shooting remains poor. Down the stretch you have to put games away and we kept going 1 of 2 from the line. That will come back to bite us
2) Is UW-Madison very good? They don't look nearly as good as they have the last few years, at least from what I saw last night. They didn't play smart, don't have very many scoring threats or people that can break you down off the dribble. I have my doubts that they will finish in the top 4 of the Big Ten this year.
3) Other than Acker, I can't remember the bench doing much. Coobs was pesky on defense for a bit. Hazel got a board or two, but that was it. We benefited from Wisconsin's style to allow our big 4 guys to play extended minutes. Need Fulce back soon.
Overall. Nice win, big rivalry win, a win that we should have got and did. Some tough games coming up on the road which will be significant challenges.
Dayton, by the way, moved to 9-0 after beating Akron last night 54-50.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 07, 2008, 01:19:11 PM
The Bad
1) Free throw shooting remains poor. Down the stretch you have to put games away and we kept going 1 of 2 from the line. That will come back to bite us
ha..I was actually thinking of Chicosdamus at the game as we missed alot of front ends. ;) I don't think we shot well at all last night--even beyond FT's. I see that as a positive as it showed we can win at a chug and plug game--mainly by getting to the line. But I hope Lazar starts to hit a bit more from the outside.
Let's not forget this game was a statistical draw and played out that way. Also, Ooze's value was vastly underestimated.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 07, 2008, 01:19:11 PM
1) Free throw shooting remains poor.
Which means that MU remains mired in the bottom 14 of the Big East, ahead of only Seton Hall, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, St. John's, Rutgers, Providence, DePaul, Notre Dame, USF, West Virginia, and Cincinnati.
Quote from: Marquette84 on December 07, 2008, 03:04:53 PM
Which means that MU remains mired in the bottom 14 of the Big East, ahead of only Seton Hall, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, St. John's, Rutgers, Providence, DePaul, Notre Dame, USF, West Virginia, and Cincinnati.
Nice stat!
Moral of the story: Don't drink and post.
Would the starting lineup of Acker, Cubillan, Butler, Hazel, and Burke be competitive in the MAC, let alone the BEast? We have 4 great players and 5 guys who probably couldn't beat the starting 5 of UWM. What this means is that if one of the 4 tires that makes this hot rod go gets a flat, we are stuck with a donut spare right now. Can't go over 50 MPH for more than 50 miles. So there are going to be nights like Dayton when it doesn't work and nights like Saturday when it works perfectly. The sooner Joe and Chris return, even to just give minutes, fouls and effort, the better for the team.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2008, 06:11:02 PM
Would the starting lineup of Acker, Cubillan, Butler, Hazel, and Burke be competitive in the MAC, let alone the BEast? We have 4 great players and 5 guys who probably couldn't beat the starting 5 of UWM. What this means is that if one of the 4 tires that makes this hot rod go gets a flat, we are stuck with a donut spare right now. Can't go over 50 MPH for more than 50 miles. So there are going to be nights like Dayton when it doesn't work and nights like Saturday when it works perfectly. The sooner Joe and Chris return, even to just give minutes, fouls and effort, the better for the team.
yet there rae people that post that Creans recruiting was good or exeptional. pause not!!! it was poor highlighted by the periodic good recruit(s). people question Buzz's coaching accumne...when you recruit like he does it makes you look like a genius when they are on the court!!!
Quote from: Marquette84 on December 07, 2008, 03:04:53 PM
Which means that MU remains mired in the bottom 14 of the Big East, ahead of only Seton Hall, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, St. John's, Rutgers, Providence, DePaul, Notre Dame, USF, West Virginia, and Cincinnati.
Very True Marquette84, we do lead those other teams. Doesn't take away my opinion that the FT shooting last night was poor. 60.9% is poor and down the stretch the squad shot only 50% in the last 4 minutes. Something that needs to be shored up. Three of our last four games we have shot below 64%. (after shooting above 70% in each of the first four games. Those will be critical points needed in close conference games.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on December 07, 2008, 02:13:08 AM
Dumbest. Post. Ever. Seriously, I wish you were in my house so I could slap you in the face.
Would you like to take this back? It's a long season yet alone the 94572 Posts in 9746 Topics by 2371 Members in the history of MUSCOOP. Should I start with Murph or Hayward.
People really need to get their heads checked around here.
IF anyone thought MU should blow out UW, you should refrain from opening your mouth. UW style of play slows down the game a ton and its a rivalry game. We were winning by 7 with about 2 minutes left. If you haters watched the game, you would know that we won by 3, not by a last second three pointer, but by a last second shot by UW to pull within three.
I am really happy with the win. One of my biggest concerns coming into the season was Buzz's coaching. This was his first big tough "grind it out" win. It helps to have great senior leadership but it gives me hope that Buzz might help us reach the next level. We already know he can bring in talent.
This was a great win. I know reality can suck sometimes but you have to come to grips with it. Outside Matthews, we are not a good FT shooting team. Our three point shooting is spotty. We played exactly how we are going to play for the majority of the season and we still beat a decent team.
Hopefully Fulce can contribute when he comes back. It would be great to be able to sit Matthews or McNeal and replace them with a scoring threat. Fulce is a big X factor. If he is solid, he could make a huge difference.
We played a solid 2nd half and at the 3 minute mark, I knew the game was ours. We were up like 57-49 or +14 for the half. We owned them and I could see it on the 3 amigos face. Bo knew it, Krabbenhoft knew it, Keaton Nankivil knew it, Landry knew it and Hughes knew it.
That is all I needed. Onto IPFW.
Quote from: mviale on December 07, 2008, 10:56:14 PM
We played a solid 2nd half and at the 3 minute mark, I knew the game was ours. We were up like 57-49 or +14 for the half. We owned them and I could see it on the 3 amigos face. Bo knew it, Krabbenhoft knew it, Keaton Nankivil knew it, Landry knew it and Hughes knew it.
That is all I needed. Onto IPFW.
Well, I don't know about that. With one minute to go we turned the ball over only leading by 4 points and UW-Madison with the ball. We played pretty fast and loose with the ball at the end and the missed FT's didn't help. Fortunately Krabbenhoft stepped out of bounds. They score a deuce or a triple there and it's a one possession game with about 45 seconds left.
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 11:15:01 PM
UW was ranked, what 22. A team led by 4 seniors, with the experience they have---a near sweet 16 team---should be at least close to a top 10 team this year. You people are satisfied with a marginal 3 point win over a depeleted Wico team at home????
I believe ecompt also posed the question -- but explain how Wisconsin is a "depleted" team? ?-(
I thought these kids showed a fucking tremendous amount of heart in the second half (evidenced by out-rebounding the Badgers) especially considering it was not their "A" game and they won the game by beating Wisconsin the way Wisconsin beats their opponents.
Not sure how you can knock theBuzzsaw on this one. The man pulled out a wildcard with the 1-3-1 and it completely flummoxed not only the experienced triumvirate of Hughes, Landry, and Krabbenhoft but it was clear Ryan didn't recognize it early enough to counteract the zone.
From this fan, full marks to the staff and the players for what they accomplished on Saturday.
My complaint is that Notre Dame lost at home. I wanted to end their home winning streak that started after we beat them.
Quote from: bilsu on December 08, 2008, 12:02:43 PM
My complaint is that Notre Dame lost at home. I wanted to end their home winning streak that started after we beat them.
According to Knight Commission, we ended that streak last year, by virtue of a three-point loss.
Quote from: chrisk1 on December 08, 2008, 09:40:47 AM
Does anyone actually know who 4everwarriors and Knight Commission are? I am willing to wager they wore red on Saturday. How any MARQUETTE fan could walk away from this game disappointed is just amazing. UW is a good team, and MU beat them. MU absolutely owned them in the second half yet these two are disappointed in the result and cracking jokes at Buzz's expense. Either they are not MU fans or they are the most negative nancies that I have ever seen.
It is possible to be an MU fan without drinking the kool-aid.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 08, 2008, 12:23:50 PM
It is possible to be an MU fan without drinking the kool-aid.
Is it possible to feel like a win against a ranked team is a thing that should be celibrated not complained about without being told that you are 'drinking the kool-aid'.
Quote from: bilsu on December 08, 2008, 12:02:43 PM
My complaint is that Notre Dame lost at home. I wanted to end their home winning streak that started after we beat them.
The game was played in Indianapolis, not in South Bend.
silly chico he is reffering to Notre dame "losing last year becuase we only beat them by three, using Knight commision stupid argumnet. Also, the very fact that you watch a boxing match on Saturday over the MU gmaes now fully and completely disconts for me anything you say to aabsolutely $0.00
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on December 08, 2008, 01:27:11 PM
silly chico he is reffering to Notre dame "losing last year becuase we only beat them by three, using Knight commision stupid argumnet. Also, the very fact that you watch a boxing match on Saturday over the MU gmaes now fully and completely disconts for me anything you say to aabsolutely $0.00
Uhm, newsflash.....I was there Haywire. In Vegas. At the MGM. I didn't have much of a choice to tell HBO that I needed to watch the MU game when I was there on their dime. It wasn't a matter of choosing the fight over the MU game, I was there on business. And with tickets at face value at $1000.00, I'm not about to say "can I skip this to watch a Marquette game". Sorry pal, that's not how it works. Tim, Kevin and Rob sent me updates on the blackberry so I knew what was happening. I was there in spirit and watched it yesterday when I got home.
Anything else you would like to add Haywire?
And I apologize for the Notre Dame comment if it was incorrect. If I don't see teal, I assume it's legit. You should put all your messages in teal as a courtesy to everyone. And what the hell is a discont? What is a gmaes?
By the way, VEGAS IS ABSOLUTELY DEAD right now. The economy is killing them. Tables open aplenty.
Quote from: RawdogDX on December 08, 2008, 12:32:00 PM
Is it possible to feel like a win against a ranked team is a thing that should be celibrated not complained about without being told that you are 'drinking the kool-aid'.
missed the context.
criticism isn't allowed in your world apparently.
Pakuni please stop...your killing me in this thread....=)
Quote from: Pakuni on December 08, 2008, 12:16:32 PM
According to Knight Commission, we ended that streak last year, by virtue of a three-point loss.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2008, 01:55:14 PM
Uhm, newsflash.....I was there Haywire. In Vegas. At the MGM. I didn't have much of a choice to tell HBO that I needed to watch the MU game when I was there on their dime. It wasn't a matter of choosing the fight over the MU game, I was there on business. And with tickets at face value at $1000.00, I'm not about to say "can I skip this to watch a Marquette game". Sorry pal, that's not how it works. Tim, Kevin and Rob sent me updates on the blackberry so I knew what was happening. I was there in spirit and watched it yesterday when I got home.
Anything else you would like to add Haywire?
And I apologize for the Notre Dame comment if it was incorrect. If I don't see teal, I assume it's legit. You should put all your messages in teal as a courtesy to everyone. And what the hell is a discont? What is a gmaes?
By the way, VEGAS IS ABSOLUTELY DEAD right now. The economy is killing them. Tables open aplenty.
I wonder if someone already chalked this up as a loss.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 08, 2008, 02:01:08 PM
missed the context.
I saw the context, and his statement was a bit extreme. But I'm sick of hearing about 'kool-aid' it has become the default come back that everyone uses whenever anyone is positive about anything.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 08, 2008, 02:01:08 PM
criticism isn't allowed in your world apparently.
awefully touchy for someone who believes that criticism is the backbone of every good web community.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
The game was played in Indianapolis, not in South Bend.
I am happy now, thanks.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on December 08, 2008, 01:27:11 PM
silly chico he is reffering to Notre dame "losing last year becuase we only beat them by three, using Knight commision stupid argumnet. Also, the very fact that you watch a boxing match on Saturday over the MU gmaes now fully and completely disconts for me anything you say to aabsolutely $0.00
How come nothing you say ever makes any sense/is constructed in a grammatically acceptable way/contains the slightest concern for the proper spelling of words?
Quote from: RawdogDX on December 08, 2008, 03:01:09 PM
I saw the context, and his statement was a bit extreme. But I'm sick of hearing about 'kool-aid' it has become the default come back that everyone uses whenever anyone is positive about anything.
awefully touchy for someone who believes that criticism is the backbone of every good web community.
I'm not down on the team at all. I also agree that criticism is important... obviously.
I just don't particularily care for people who think an organization can do no wrong... or for that matter, no right.
Quote from: mviale on December 08, 2008, 02:48:58 PM
I wonder if someone already chalked this up as a loss.
I don't know who that would be.....you'll see below I had it as a win over Wisconsin. MU is more talented, this is the weakest Wisconsin team in a few years, home game for MU, no athleticism for UW. I'm honestly having a tough time seeing Wisconsin finish too high in the Big Ten this year. 4th or 5th sounds about right after seeing them play.
Here were my predictions:
http://marquettebasketball.blogspot.com/2008/11/cracked-sidewalks-predictions-for-2008.html
I didn't predict our first loss until at Tennessee. I have us losing at NC State, also, but definitely had a win over Bucky. Which I'll be watching live on tv in case you are wondering Haywire.
Yah - they gave up so much athleticism from LY. Those guys were showtime last year.
BTW - I have us going undefeated - we can beat anyone
Quote from: mviale on December 08, 2008, 04:33:40 PM
Yah - they gave up so much athleticism from LY. Those guys were showtime last year.
BTW - I have us going undefeated - we can beat anyone
Well, the loss of Flowers and Butch was pretty big in my opinion. An athletic guard and a pretty athletic 7 footer (as far as 7 footers go). Even the Stiemsma loss, though not very athletic, hurts them a bit. Wisconsin is inexperienced at some key spots this year and they have difficulty with athletic teams (Duke last year, MU both years, UCONN, Davidson).
I don't think we can beat anyone, certainly not UNC. I don't think we can beat UCONN either, but it will be fun at home giving it a try.
Should be a fun year, but rest assured I didn't chalk this up as a loss as you had implied. ;) Any win over Bucky is a good one. Especially in a year where we should have beaten them. It would have been disappointing not to beat this Wisconsin team who hasn't been that great if you look at their results thus far.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2008, 04:56:55 PM
Well, the loss of Flowers and Butch was pretty big in my opinion. An athletic guard and a pretty athletic 7 footer (as far as 7 footers go). Even the Stiemsma loss, though not very athletic, hurts them a bit. Wisconsin is inexperienced at some key spots this year and they have difficulty with athletic teams (Duke last year, MU both years, UCONN, Davidson).
The athleticism of Brian Butch is a bit of a myth. He may have been athletic as a 17-year-old, but then he got to Madison, bulked up and became a bit of a stiff.
Bucky definitely is a lesser team this year, but I'm not sure they're a less
athletic team.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2008, 03:47:31 PMI'm honestly having a tough time seeing Wisconsin finish too high in the Big Ten this year. 4th or 5th sounds about right after seeing them play.
I'll bet you a thousand dollars that Wisconsin finishes higher than 5th in the Big Ten this year.
But I do agree that they are not as good this year. However, I think they have the potential to be better as the year goes on. I actually think they are more athletic than last years team and have the potential to be very good.
BTW - How awesome would it be to have Nankivil (sp?) right now?
Quote from: MUSF on December 08, 2008, 08:35:43 PM
I'll bet you a thousand dollars that Wisconsin finishes higher than 5th in the Big Ten this year.
But I do agree that they are not as good this year. However, I think they have the potential to be better as the year goes on. I actually think they are more athletic than last years team and have the potential to be very good.
BTW - How awesome would it be to have Nankivil (sp?) right now?
Well, I did say 4th or 5th. Will you bet me a 1000 dollars they finish higher than 4th this year....that might be worth taking. ;)
The Iona game was the first clue to me that they aren't like the teams they've had in the past. San Diego and Long Beach State weren't exactly show stopping performances either. It's not hard for me to see Purdue, Illinois, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State giving them fits this year. Minnesota is pretty good. Even Penn State and Northwestern are much better then in years past.
Hey Mark,
Can we get any Warrior recruitng updates from the area on 2009 and younger kids?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2008, 01:55:14 PM
Uhm, newsflash.....I was there Haywire. In Vegas. At the MGM. I didn't have much of a choice to tell HBO that I needed to watch the MU game when I was there on their dime. It wasn't a matter of choosing the fight over the MU game, I was there on business. And with tickets at face value at $1000.00, I'm not about to say "can I skip this to watch a Marquette game". Sorry pal, that's not how it works. Tim, Kevin and Rob sent me updates on the blackberry so I knew what was happening. I was there in spirit and watched it yesterday when I got home.
Anything else you would like to add Haywire?...
Game, set, match, ChicosBailBonds! I would have skipped the game and followed along on my phone just like you. No way would I miss the fight on HBO's dime.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2008, 04:56:55 PM
Well, the loss of Flowers and Butch was pretty big in my opinion. An athletic guard and a pretty athletic 7 footer (as far as 7 footers go). Even the Stiemsma loss, though not very athletic, hurts them a bit. Wisconsin is inexperienced at some key spots this year and they have difficulty with athletic teams (Duke last year, MU both years, UCONN, Davidson).
I don't think we can beat anyone, certainly not UNC. I don't think we can beat UCONN either, but it will be fun at home giving it a try.
Should be a fun year, but rest assured I didn't chalk this up as a loss as you had implied. ;) Any win over Bucky is a good one. Especially in a year where we should have beaten them. It would have been disappointing not to beat this Wisconsin team who hasn't been that great if you look at their results thus far.
No worries Chicos. I like giving you a hard time and I know you bleed blue and gold. You have been wrong on so many non-basketball subjects(ahem, ahem), I just like to point it out with Bball.
Quote from: mviale on December 09, 2008, 03:45:31 PM
No worries Chicos. I like giving you a hard time and I know you bleed blue and gold. You have been wrong on so many non-basketball subjects(ahem, ahem), I just like to point it out with Bball.
Just on the timing....I predicted a certain guy (ahem ahem) would be carted off in handcuffs a few years ago. Finally happened today....Thank God! ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 09, 2008, 05:49:49 PM
Just on the timing....I predicted a certain guy (ahem ahem) would be carted off in handcuffs a few years ago. Finally happened today....Thank God! ;)
Predicting the future arrest of an Illinois governor is a bit like predicting rain in Seattle.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 09, 2008, 06:02:01 PM
Predicting the future arrest of an Illinois governor is a bit like predicting rain in Seattle.
This just in--breaking news from Bloomington: "It's Illinois, It's Illinois!"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 09, 2008, 05:49:49 PM
Just on the timing....I predicted a certain guy (ahem ahem) would be carted off in handcuffs a few years ago. Finally happened today....Thank God! ;)
Congrats Chicos - mission accomplished.
Quote from: mviale on December 09, 2008, 09:39:06 PM
Congrats Chicos - mission accomplished.
Just be clear mviale, back to the point, my love for MU is as high as anyone else's here. I want Buzz to succeed. For some reason, if one dares to question a few things then instantly they are labeled as anti-Buzz or anti-MU. For whatever reason. Haywire is classic at it.
We'll know in a few years if he was a good hire. He is a very likable man, works his tail off. Two wonderful traits. Will that translate to wins and losses? We shall see. But rest assured, I want MU to win and win often. If that's with Buzz, great. If it's not with Buzz, that's fine too. As long as MU stays at least at the level they've had the last 10 years, I'm a happy camper. If we go beyond that, then I'm in heaven. If we fall below it, then that's problematic.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 10, 2008, 12:17:35 AM
Just be clear mviale, back to the point, my love for MU is as high as anyone else's here. I want Buzz to succeed. For some reason, if one dares to question a few things then instantly they are labeled as anti-Buzz or anti-MU. For whatever reason. Haywire is classic at it.
We'll know in a few years if he was a good hire. He is a very likable man, works his tail off. Two wonderful traits. Will that translate to wins and losses? We shall see. But rest assured, I want MU to win and win often. If that's with Buzz, great. If it's not with Buzz, that's fine too. As long as MU stays at least at the level they've had the last 10 years, I'm a happy camper. If we go beyond that, then I'm in heaven. If we fall belo
w it, then that's problematic.
According to some, you don't fit the definition of a fan.
Anyone who spends the god awful amount of time that we do on MU basketball--whether lover, hater, kool-aid drinker, sarcastic comic, student, alumni, Badger troll, stats geek, reporters, coaches, coaches' wives, AD spin doctor, homer--are MU FANS. This ain't the Woodstock love-in...in fact, I am glad I wasn't old enough for Woodstock as it didn't look so great....although I am sure some would say: "It's Woodstock, It's Woodstock!" (that one never gets old).
Quote from: Knight Commission on December 06, 2008, 10:48:32 PM
Uh...we only won by three at home with the best team we will have in the next decade.....
This team continues to be a disappointment. End of story.
I'll agree that this team is a disappointment (but what can you expect with no inside presence?) so far this year but it's hard to say that this will be the best team we will have in the next decade when 1.) future recruits are still 8 years old and 2.) In 3 years we could be going (at the very least) cadougan, maymon, williams, roseboro, mcmorrow - and you have to think buzz is going to land a SG in '10 if not this year.
...but your main point was probably the one mostly everyone agrees with.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2008, 01:55:14 PM
Uhm, newsflash.....I was there Haywire. In Vegas. At the MGM. I didn't have much of a choice to tell HBO that I needed to watch the MU game when I was there on their dime. It wasn't a matter of choosing the fight over the MU game, I was there on business. And with tickets at face value at $1000.00, I'm not about to say "can I skip this to watch a Marquette game". Sorry pal, that's not how it works. Tim, Kevin and Rob sent me updates on the blackberry so I knew what was happening. I was there in spirit and watched it yesterday when I got home.
Anything else you would like to add Haywire?
And I apologize for the Notre Dame comment if it was incorrect. If I don't see teal, I assume it's legit. You should put all your messages in teal as a courtesy to everyone. And what the hell is a discont? What is a gmaes?
By the way, VEGAS IS ABSOLUTELY DEAD right now. The economy is killing them. Tables open aplenty.
Mr. Hayward -- come on, did you not see how jaybilaswho? was humbled when he made an assumption about my gender and sports-playing history? let us remember not to make assumptions; however, on the other hand, I too was bewildered about chicosbailbonds statement about not being at the game as i didn't know who oscar and manny were. but more power to him, and i am glad he kept up with the game, even if it was on a crackberry (the horror!!)
2) Chicos-- no kidding about vegas; i
t seems like every other person working in medicine is there every week!!3) Knight Commission!! Don't bring dishonor on my surname anymore! It's not very chivalrous of ya, anyway.
Just be clear mviale, back to the point, my love for MU is as high as anyone else's here. I want Buzz to succeed. For some reason, if one dares to question a few things then instantly they are labeled as anti-Buzz or anti-MU. For whatever reason. Haywire is classic at it.
We'll know in a few years if he was a good hire. He is a very likable man, works his tail off. Two wonderful traits. Will that translate to wins and losses? We shall see. But rest assured, I want MU to win and win often. If that's with Buzz, great. If it's not with Buzz, that's fine too. As long as MU stays at least at the level they've had the last 10 years, I'm a happy camper. If we go beyond that, then I'm in heaven. If we fall below it, then that's problematic.
it's funny that chicos now makes that proclamation. considering when people that did not like Crean made the same statements he was all over them.