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If anyone is due in this series over the last 4 years - look no further than #23.
I'm sorry; can't let this go. First time I've seen something of this ilk from Rosiak. Shouldn't you have to beat somebody in the top half of the tournament ONE TIME to be a Hall of Famer?
Edit: Competitive most of the way? They lost by 19.
2nd edit: Give me some numbers please to explain the deadly efficiency, high defensive rate and impressive free-throw line rate.
Hall of Fame? He is kidding, right? Maybe Division III Hall of Fame. If Bo's a Hall of Famer, I guess they should reserve a spot for Crean.
The vegas line has yet to be posted for this game but it has to be a push or slight edge (i.e. no more than 2 pts) for the badgers. #22 vs. #26; MU at home......We cannot be that much of an underdog, if at all.
Quote from: ecompt on December 05, 2008, 07:19:01 AM
Hall of Fame? He is kidding, right? Maybe Division III Hall of Fame. If Bo's a Hall of Famer, I guess they should reserve a spot for Crean.
Bo has taken UW to the tourney I believe 10 years in a row, while winning I think 4 or 5 Big Ten titles. He's a better coach than Tom Crean. I have no idea what Gets you into the Hall of Fame for a coach, but there is no doubt he's one of the top coaches in the country.
Quote from: Eye on December 05, 2008, 05:06:56 AM
I'm sorry; can't let this go. First time I've seen something of this ilk from Rosiak. Shouldn't you have to beat somebody in the top half of the tournament ONE TIME to be a Hall of Famer?
Edit: Competitive most of the way? They lost by 19.
2nd edit: Give me some numbers please to explain the deadly efficiency, high defensive rate and impressive free-throw line rate.
Rosiak must have an anti-MU bias.
I was at the media availability (my article is on marquettehoops.com) and it was actually Buzz that was giving Bo Ryan the hall of fame caliber praise. He was asked if he had ever written to bo ryan when he was younger and said no i never did but that probably speaks to my intelligence level because he has won multiple national championships. Later on in the press conference he said he will never accomplish what Bo ryan has accomplished. [Bo] has won multiple national championships. He is going to be a hall-of-fame coach. Averaging over 27 wins a year in his career.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on December 05, 2008, 08:23:38 AM
Bo has taken UW to the tourney I believe 10 years in a row, while winning I think 4 or 5 Big Ten titles. He's a better coach than Tom Crean. I have no idea what Gets you into the Hall of Fame for a coach, but there is no doubt he's one of the top coaches in the country.
Bo Ryan hasn't even been the coach at UW for 10 years, he started in 2001-2002.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on December 05, 2008, 08:23:38 AM
Bo has taken UW to the tourney I believe 10 years in a row, while winning I think 4 or 5 Big Ten titles. He's a better coach than Tom Crean. I have no idea what Gets you into the Hall of Fame for a coach, but there is no doubt he's one of the top coaches in the country.
He won four D3 national titles at Platteville. Look on a map....Platteville, Wisconsin. A nowhere program in a crappy little town.
He started the process of turning around UW-Milwaukee.
At Madison, he has been to the Elite 8 once (losing to eventually champion North Carolina) and the Sweet 16 two other times.
He may be a pompous self-promoter at a program we all hate, but he is a hell of a coach.
Buzz was hyping up Bo more than anyone...dont blame rosiak
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on December 05, 2008, 08:31:18 AM
He won four D3 national titles at Platteville. Look on a map....Platteville, Wisconsin. A nowhere program in a crappy little town.
He started the process of turning around UW-Milwaukee.
At Madison, he has been to the Elite 8 once (losing to eventually champion North Carolina) and the Sweet 16 two other times.
He may be a pompous self-promoter at a program we all hate, but he is a hell of a coach.
Let's not inflate Bo's record.
Elite Eight after all higher seeds in 2 games were upset
2 Sweet 16s where he was beaten by lower seeds
He is a good coach, but he is not clutch.
He is a fine, fine coach. But until he beats a higher seed in a tournament and takes his team to a Final Four, he's not a Division I Hall of Fame coach. Watch the final minute of MU-UW at the BC in Dwyane's second season. Final minute, game on the line, and Bo decides to let DWade go one-on-one against some poor stiff. It was embarrassing.
Bo is perfect where he is -- a perfect fit in a perfect conference for him.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on December 05, 2008, 08:31:18 AM
He won four D3 national titles at Platteville. Look on a map....Platteville, Wisconsin. A nowhere program in a crappy little town.
Location means nothing in the lower division sports, especially when you are talking about the Wisconsin schools. Year in and year out, the Wisconsin D3 schools are among the best in the country. It's not just Platteville, Whitewater has won two D3 basketball championships, Stevens Point won back to back championships, Eau Claire made the title game fairly recently as well.
Quote from: mu-rara on December 05, 2008, 08:42:15 AM
Let's not inflate Bo's record.
Elite Eight after all higher seeds in 2 games were upset
2 Sweet 16s where he was beaten by lower seeds
He is a good coach, but he is not clutch.
I'm not inflating anything...I simply stated what he has accomplished. (By the way, Wisconsin lost to the #1 seed Kentucky in one of their Sweet 16 appearances.)
And to say he's not clutch is just silly. He has won four conference titles and/or tournament titles in seven years. He won four national championships. He may not be Hall of Fame worthy, but he's a really good coach.
Quote from: bma725 on December 05, 2008, 09:22:32 AM
Location means nothing in the lower division sports, especially when you are talking about the Wisconsin schools. Year in and year out, the Wisconsin D3 schools are among the best in the country. It's not just Platteville, Whitewater has won two D3 basketball championships, Stevens Point won back to back championships, Eau Claire made the title game fairly recently as well.
You are correct. I was being a little bit snarky, but since Wisconsin is one of the few states where public universities play Division 3 ball, they do have advantages. But Platteville really did nothing before, and hasn't done anything since Ryan left.
By the way, you guys are making me break out in hives for actually having to defend Bo Ryan. How can I enjoy tomorrow's game if I am all itchy???
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on December 05, 2008, 09:24:15 AM
(By the way, Wisconsin lost to the #1 seed Kentucky in one of their Sweet 16 appearances.)
I seem to remember being at that game... Kentucky was really good that year, who'd they lose to again?
*cough triple double cough*
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on December 05, 2008, 09:24:15 AM
I'm not inflating anything...I simply stated what he has accomplished. (By the way, Wisconsin lost to the #1 seed Kentucky in one of their Sweet 16 appearances.)
And to say he's not clutch is just silly. He has won four conference titles and/or tournament titles in seven years. He won four national championships. He may not be Hall of Fame worthy, but he's a really good coach.
Yeah, Bo the Great. Did a magnificent job figuring out what to do with Estill in that game. Based on the results of the next game (MU 83- KU 69) even the Tan One figured out how to stop Estill. Do you still have nightmares about that one.
OK, so Bo is clutch in the Big 10/11. He completely chokes in the NCAA D1 tourney. DIII championships are not the same, as much as you rodents wish....
Quote from: mu-rara on December 05, 2008, 09:53:30 AM
Yeah, Bo the Great. Did a magnificent job figuring out what to do with Estill in that game. Based on the results of the next game (MU 83- KU 69) even the Tan One figured out how to stop Estill. Do you still have nightmares about that one.
OK, so Bo is clutch in the Big 10/11. He completely chokes in the NCAA D1 tourney. DIII championships are not the same, as much as you rodents wish....
What the hell???
One of the things that drives me nuts about this place is that if you acknowledge any sort of accomplishment by UW you are assumed to be a Badger fan or a "rodent." I went to MU, have MU basketball memorabilia all over my house, etc. etc. etc. I don't have to prove my loyalties to you. But I'm not going to disparage Ryan's record because he coaches on the other side of the court.
Quote from: DoubleMU0609 on December 05, 2008, 09:43:27 AM
I seem to remember being at that game... Kentucky was really good that year, who'd they lose to again?
*cough triple double cough*
Yep!!! Wasn't it great!!!
Screw the rodents and Bo.
The bigger issue is, is it a good thing or a bad thing that MU views itself as the underdog in this game and in the Big East conference?
Quote from: mufanatic on December 05, 2008, 10:35:13 AM
Screw the rodents and Bo.
The bigger issue is, is it a good thing or a bad thing that MU views itself as the underdog in this game and in the Big East conference?
I personally think it is, especially James, as long as he doesn't get too into it, he always plays better with a chip on his shoulder. If i remember right after the Hughes confrontation last year, he stepped his game up a level. I think this team needs to have an us against the world mentality and they seem to play better. However, as long as they don't get too into the trash talk and try to do too much, which i have seen McNeal and James do at times.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on December 05, 2008, 10:32:02 AM
What the hell???
One of the things that drives me nuts about this place is that if you acknowledge any sort of accomplishment by UW you are assumed to be a Badger fan or a "rodent." I went to MU, have MU basketball memorabilia all over my house, etc. etc. etc. I don't have to prove my loyalties to you. But I'm not going to disparage Ryan's record because he coaches on the other side of the court.
My apologies...but....As an MU alum I will acknowledge that Bo is good coach, but you are spinning his accomplishments in a way that only Badger fans have previously. Go Warriors.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on December 05, 2008, 08:31:18 AM
He won four D3 national titles at Platteville. Look on a map....Platteville, Wisconsin. A nowhere program in a crappy little town.
He started the process of turning around UW-Milwaukee.
At Madison, he has been to the Elite 8 once (losing to eventually champion North Carolina) and the Sweet 16 two other times.
He may be a pompous self-promoter at a program we all hate, but he is a hell of a coach.
And most gifted scenarios ever in the NCAA tournament. You should go to Michigan State boards as they outline it very well.
He's had the benefit of playing in a Big Ten that is a shadow of it's former self. He walked into a UW-Madison job coming off a Final Four and inheriting top 5 NBA pick Devin Harris, All Big Ten player Mike Wilkinson, etc. He didn't even recruit those kids, they were there for him to inherit.
Is he a great coach? Yes. Has he been in the right place and definitely at the right time? HELL YES. Has he been to a Final Four with the big boys? HELL NO. Has he beaten ONE, just ONE better seed in the NCAA tournament to show off his coaching prowess. Even an 8 seed? HELL NO. At some point I'd expect the coaching genius of his to be able to beat a team in the NCAAs that he wasn't supposed to. Hell, even the incompetent Tom Crean pulled that off...twice.
And I don't think anyone is calling you a Badger lover but sometimes the love that comes from the press and the media for Bo is a bit hideous when compounded by attacks on our coaching staffs.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on December 05, 2008, 08:22:44 AM
The vegas line has yet to be posted for this game but it has to be a push or slight edge (i.e. no more than 2 pts) for the badgers. #22 vs. #26; MU at home......We cannot be that much of an underdog, if at all.
The whole point of the line is to inspire as much betting as possible...
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on December 05, 2008, 12:26:09 PM
The whole point of the line is to inspire as much betting as possible...
Yep, the object of a line is to get equal betting on both sides. That's why you see lines change often, sometime dramatically. Basically its not what Vegas thinks will happen but the median of what all people betting think will happen.
Mu will be a slight favorite in the game when the Vegas line is posted. My guess is 2-4 points.
My guess is Buzz has coached the players to view the game as if they are the underdog.
Give respect to your opponent and approach the game like everyone expects you to lose. Play loose and with an edge.
Not a bad strategy. IMO
ps. I doubt there is one player(on either team) that really thinks they are in fact "the underdog". Both teams think they can and will win this game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2008, 11:54:50 AM
And most gifted scenarios ever in the NCAA tournament. You should go to Michigan State boards as they outline it very well.
He's had the benefit of playing in a Big Ten that is a shadow of it's former self. He walked into a UW-Madison job coming off a Final Four and inheriting top 5 NBA pick Devin Harris, All Big Ten player Mike Wilkinson, etc. He didn't even recruit those kids, they were there for him to inherit.
Is he a great coach? Yes. Has he been in the right place and definitely at the right time? HELL YES. Has he been to a Final Four with the big boys? HELL NO. Has he beaten ONE, just ONE better seed in the NCAA tournament to show off his coaching prowess. Even an 8 seed? HELL NO. At some point I'd expect the coaching genius of his to be able to beat a team in the NCAAs that he wasn't supposed to. Hell, even the incompetent Tom Crean pulled that off...twice.
And I don't think anyone is calling you a Badger lover but sometimes the love that comes from the press and the media for Bo is a bit hideous when compounded by attacks on our coaching staffs.
I really have no arguments for anything that you have said. Well put.
Quote from: RedWebster on December 05, 2008, 08:24:33 AM
Rosiak must have an anti-MU bias.
I prefaced my comments Red by saying this is the first time I've seen something of this ilk from Rosiak. You care to make the argument on either of the first two points? I don't necessarily disagree with his third series of points, but I'd like to see the statistics to back them up. In the form they're presented, that comes off as his opinion, not fact. A rare less-than-his-best piece from Rosiak.
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on December 05, 2008, 08:37:19 AM
Buzz was hyping up Bo more than anyone...dont blame rosiak
Then quote or paraphrase Williams as calling Ryan a Hall of Fame coach. The way it's presented is that it's fact and/or Rosiak's opinion.