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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MU B2002 on December 03, 2008, 10:34:37 AM
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Does anyone want to win this division?
Not looking good for the Vikes with the Williams twins out.
Bears suck, all except for Matt Forte
Packers suck
Lions, obviously suck.
Maybe Tampa can file an injunction to get back into the NFC north.
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Does anyone want to win this division?
Not looking good for the Vikes with the Williams twins out.
Maybe Tampa can file an injunction to get back into the NFC north.
Typical Minnesota cheaters. They should replay Sunday night's game.
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Green Bay will win the division.
write it down.
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Green Bay will win the division.
write it down.
I was thinkin' the same thing....
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It is truly scary the Lions weren't eliminated until week 10. They are going to be the first 0-16 team in history. As a lifelong fan, I say that with some relish, because if you are going to do something, commit to it. If you are going to truly stink, don't dabble at 8-8, 5-11, whatever. Suck huge!!!!!!! Make history. Be known forever! Get us a real freaking GM and bring back Mariucci!!!!
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will come down to the last game if they do.
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With Minnesota down about 9,000 pounds on the front 4, I don't see that D stopping anyone. They also just lost Robison for a few weeks as well.
That being said, Green Bay just keeps finding ways to lose; it's infuriating.
The Bears still have Kyle Orton at QB.
So, I think that it should just be 2 conferences: AFC and NFC. Top 6 get in from both. Get rid of the insanely awful NFC/AFC West divisions. And please, no one try to convince me Arizona is any good.
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Green Bay will have a real tough time winning this division. If you know how the tiebreakers work, the only game that will give the Packers a shot at winning the North is by beating the Bears. The Packers lose badly on the tiebreaker involving common opponents. Division record does come before common opponents, and the Packers would beat the Vikings there with a win over the Bears and Lions. Only problem is the Vikings would have to lose two of their last four.
I personally think the Bears are done for. I think the Vikings find a way to go 3-1 down the stretch, even minus the Williams'.
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I will eat my shoe if the Vikes go 3-1 against:
Detroit (W)
Arizona (L)
Atlanta (L)
NY Giants (L, though they may be resting everyone at this point)
Green Bay on the other hand has to play
Houston (5-7)
Jacksonville, the disappointment of the year at (4-8)
Chicago (6-6)
Detroit (0-12)
I'd say the smart money is on Green Bay.
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get ready for a rubber feast
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really? Minnesota without a defense?
In 4 weeks a lot of people will realize how important those two big brickhouse lineman are, and how impossible they are to replace.
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Sorry, but I wouldn't write off Chicago.
Schedule:
v Jacksonville "disappointment of the year at" of course a lot of Charger fans might fight you for that one.
v New Orleans
v Green Bay
@ Houston
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Here is what I find amusing. The Packers, Bears and Vikings each sent out playoff ticket requests to season tickets holders this week. How often does that happen in a four team division?
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I am guessing the same thing is going on in the AFC east & NFC South.
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Packers and Aaron Rodgers blow.
Bears suck and at best will tie Minnesota at 9-7.
Minnesota will beat Detroit and win one other game. The victory over Detroit and a tie at 9-7 with Chicago gives the Vikings the tiebreaker nod.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!! Jimmy Kennedy (DT) signed today - watch for a big day from him, *IF* the Williams-boys don't play.
Jared Allen is unstoppable either way.
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Allen is playing well, even with his partially separated shoulder. He is also working on a sweet mullet.
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The Bears want $248 from me by next Monday for playoff tickets. I said "thanks, but no thanks".
Realistically, the Pack will split their remaining four games. Going to Jacksonville and Chicago are not going to be easy at all, even Houston this week is going to be very tough at home. If I were a Packers fan, I'd be rooting for the Lions to win once before they come to Lambeau in Week 17 as well.
There's no way the smart money is on Green Bay, they're easily the biggest risk on the board. If they lose at Chicago, their essentially done for (and that's if the Vikes go 2-2 down the stretch).
If both the Packers and Vikings are tied with the same record, and Green Bay loses at Chicago, all the tiebreakers go to the Vikings based on common opponents.
Of the 3 teams left, Green Bay needs a ton of breaks. That doesn't even include what the Bears do. Bears/Packers tiebreaker will come down to if the Bears beat Jacksonville this week and New Orleans next week (or a Packers loss this week to the Texans). Packers need a ton of luck, they're the most screwed of the three teams.
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Allen's great... worth every penny.
Anyone else hear him Sunday night... name and school.. "Jared Allen.. Culinary Academy"
I think it was about two years ago.. same type of thing.. "Jared Allen... Home school. Thanks, mom!!"
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Packers and Aaron Rodgers blow.
Bears suck and at best will tie Minnesota at 9-7.
Minnesota will beat Detroit and win one other game. The victory over Detroit and a tie at 9-7 with Chicago gives the Vikings the tiebreaker nod.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!! Jimmy Kennedy (DT) signed today - watch for a big day from him, *IF* the Williams-boys don't play.
Jared Allen is unstoppable either way.
So the Vikings finish 9-7. Fair enough. If they Bears are to tie, that means they go 3-1 the rest of the way, losing to the Packers, who run the table. This results in a 3-way tie atop the division, resulting in a Packers division championship.
And as for the "unstoppable" Jared Allen, he's been shut out twice by Chad Clifton in 3 tries (including last year with the Chiefs).
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Do you guys really believe the Pack is going to run the table? I'm all for sippin the Kool Aid, but they're 5-7 for a reason. I certainly don't think the Bears are even close to running the table, and their schedule is just as favorable as the Pack's (probably moreso with 3 home games).
Houston (even in Lambeau) is a horrible match up for the Packers. Discount the game against Chicago, and the Packers have averaged 38 ppg given up on defense in their last three games outside Chicago.
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The Pack have not been able to close/finish games this year, which has been very frustrating. Their defense has looked horrible for most of the season and their run game has been lousy for the most part.
However, if they go 3-1 (with the loss not coming to either Chi or Det) I think they might squeak in if the loss of the Williams' has as big of an effect as a lot of people seem to think and Minn falters down the stretch. I think the Bears will end up splitting the home games with two underperforming squads in Jac and NO.
So much can change week to week in the NFL though. On Monday the Packers could be looking pretty good or they could bascially be out of it. If I was to bet; I think they'll all go 2-2 down the stretch and the standings will be the same as they are today.
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Do you guys really believe the Pack is going to run the table? I'm all for sippin the Kool Aid, but they're 5-7 for a reason. I certainly don't think the Bears are even close to running the table, and their schedule is just as favorable as the Pack's (probably moreso with 3 home games).
Houston (even in Lambeau) is a horrible match up for the Packers. Discount the game against Chicago, and the Packers have averaged 38 ppg given up on defense in their last three games outside Chicago.
Do I expect them to run the table? No. Can they? Absolutely. I firmly believe the Packers are better than Houston, Jacksonville, Chicago and Detroit.
I also believe (and here's where I really sound like a homer) that the Packers are better than their 5-7 record, as indicated by their four losses by 4 points or fewer. I know, I know--coulda, woulda, shoulda...
But I don't think the Packers are at all out of it, as seems to be the popular opinion.
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Packers and Aaron Rodgers blow.
HAH! Name a quarterback who can come CLOSE to touching Aaron Rodgers in the NFC North. The Packers have a bad record and haven't played well in many winnable games, but you can't put any blame on Rodgers.
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HAH! Name a quarterback who can come CLOSE to touching Aaron Rodgers in the NFC North. The Packers have a bad record and haven't played well in many winnable games, but you can't put any blame on Rodgers.
+1
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HAH! Name a quarterback who can come CLOSE to touching Aaron Rodgers in the NFC North. The Packers have a bad record and haven't played well in many winnable games, but you can't put any blame on Rodgers.
Amen. Those (like Terry Bradshaw and Tony Kornheiser) who claim(ed) that the Packers would have a better record with Favre at the helm haven't been paying attention.
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Rogers is NOT the problem. Defense, are you listening?
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Minnesota
SKOL VIKINGS
Cheaters.
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Packers and Aaron Rodgers blow.
Bears suck and at best will tie Minnesota at 9-7.
Minnesota will beat Detroit and win one other game. The victory over Detroit and a tie at 9-7 with Chicago gives the Vikings the tiebreaker nod.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!! Jimmy Kennedy (DT) signed today - watch for a big day from him, *IF* the Williams-boys don't play.
Jared Allen is unstoppable either way.
You have created convincing arguments, and have well thought out ideas.
but seriously, how does Aaron Rodgers 'blow'? Look at the stats, kiddo. Its the defense that is injured that blows.
The bears are nearly as inconsistant as the packers and the vikes.
Jimmy Kennedy was a free agent for a reason. puhhhhlease.
Jared Allen will get double teamed for the rest of the year and will essentially be a non factor.
I will actually have to agree with some of the people that the Bears have the best chance of winning the division, but my personal feeling is that the Packers have the most favorable schedule and are my pick.
now come monday, there is a good chance I will be eating crow.
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It'll be interesting and fun to watch what happens.
I'm a Bears fan obviously, and I think they're the least interesting of these three teams right now, mostly because I think they peaked too early. I think the game that is going to be the killer to the Bears chances is actually the game at Houston. They "should" take care of Jacksonville at home, and the Saints (who are 0-2 at Soldier Field the last two years, and are very decimated by their defensive suspensions). Bears also have the longest non bye week break of any team in the NFL between the Thursday night game against the Saints and the Monday nighter against Green Bay. Not having to travel for any of those games is also a huge break.
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HAH! Name a quarterback who can come CLOSE to touching Aaron Rodgers in the NFC North. The Packers have a bad record and haven't played well in many winnable games, but you can't put any blame on Rodgers.
Exactly - Airhead is the best QB in the NFC North by leaps and bounds - but somehow they are in 3rd place in a p1ss-poor division. This evidences the sucking nature of the packers.
How can you not put ANY blame on Rodgers?!?! That's ridiculous. Do you blame it all on Ryan Grant because he's from Notre Dame? You should put some blame on him - after all, he eats a big one also.
Oooh, yes.. can't blame Rodgers.. its not him!
5 wins: 107/148 72.3%, 9 TD, 1 INT
7 losses: 150/256 58.6%, 11 TD, 9 INT
Yeah, he obviously plays no part in whether they win or lose.
Hope you fruitcakes have fun watching the Jets and Vikings in the Super Bowl!!!
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Blame Mark Tauscher. He is a Badger.
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HAH! Name a quarterback who can come CLOSE to touching Aaron Rodgers
And I don't know about Gus or Pep, but I am pretty sure Orton is into chicks.
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HAH! Name a quarterback who can come CLOSE to touching Aaron Rodgers in the NFC North. The Packers have a bad record and haven't played well in many winnable games, but you can't put any blame on Rodgers.
agreed.
but what has changed on this 5 and 7 team? If rogers isn't the problem then the blame lies somewhere and it still exists. I don't see what people see what indicates they will bang out a 4 and 0 mark to close the season?
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Exactly - Airhead is the best QB in the NFC North by leaps and bounds - but somehow they are in 3rd place in a p1ss-poor division. This evidences the sucking nature of the packers.
How can you not put ANY blame on Rodgers?!?! That's ridiculous. Do you blame it all on Ryan Grant because he's from Notre Dame? You should put some blame on him - after all, he eats a big one also.
Oooh, yes.. can't blame Rodgers.. its not him!
5 wins: 107/148 72.3%, 9 TD, 1 INT
7 losses: 150/256 58.6%, 11 TD, 9 INT
Yeah, he obviously plays no part in whether they win or lose.
Hope you fruitcakes have fun watching the Jets and Vikings in the Super Bowl!!!
It's apparent that you haven't watched the Pack all year, like I have. Let's take a closer look at those losses:
-@TB: Pack loses 21-30, Rodgers throws 3 picks (the last as he got blindsided by an unblocked lineman) on a sprained throwing shoulder. Nonetheless, the Pack trails by 2 under 2 minutes until Earnest Graham breaks a 47 yard run off left tackle to the 1 to ice the game.
-vs. ATL: Pack loses 24-30. Rodgers goes 25/37 for 313, 3TDs, 1INT
-@ TENN: Pack loses 16-19 in OT. Rodgers goes 22/41 for 314, 1TD and 1INT
-@ NO: Pack loses 29-51. Rodgers throws 3 picks, but still manages to guide the offense to 29 points. Meanwhile, the D gives up 51. 51!
-vs. CAR: Pack loses 31-34; Rodgers goes 29/45 for 298, 3TD and 1INT. Special teams gives up 3 kick returns of 45 yards or more, including on the kicks immediately following Packers' go-ahead scores. On the final possession, the defense proceeds to give up a 54 yard completion to Steve Smith to the 1 yard line, and on the next play allows DeAngelo Williams to score his 4th touchdown of the game.
Rodgers didn't play well in 2 of those 5. The other 3 (plus losses to Dallas and Minnesota) can be laid squarely on the defense's inability to prevent the big play, particularly in "crunch time."
Furthermore, first you say Rodgers blows, and then that he's the best QB in the division and it's the Packers who possess a "sucking nature." Which is it?
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agreed.
but what has changed on this 5 and 7 team? If rogers isn't the problem then the blame lies somewhere and it still exists. I don't see what people see what indicates they will bang out a 4 and 0 mark to close the season?
everyone shoulders some of the blame, but the defense has been injured all year (losing 3+ starters for big chunks of the year).
the reason they will bang out 4 wins to end the year is because the teams they are playing are not so good either.
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agreed.
but what has changed on this 5 and 7 team? If rogers isn't the problem then the blame lies somewhere and it still exists. I don't see what people see what indicates they will bang out a 4 and 0 mark to close the season?
The line, on both sides of the ball. The line is getting better, but still nowhere near what it was after the first 4 weeks last year. D line has been terrible. Teams run all over us.
I would like to predict 4 wins to close out the season, but as you pointed out, we have not done anything to indicate that this will happen. We're way too inconsistent, unfortunately. Some weeks we look like the best team in the league (see: vs. the Bears), and others we look horrible (see: vs. the Saints). So I think realistically we split and miss the playoffs. But I do not think you put much blame on Rodgers, he's been awesome, especially under the circumstances he came in under.
And don't even bother throwing out statistics that prove your point to jay bee, he has no knowledge of football and his arguments are "_______ sucks." Why? "______ sucks." Good answer!
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Furthermore, first you say Rodgers blows, and then that he's the best QB in the division and it's the Packers who possess a "sucking nature." Which is it?
It's both, buddy. All QBs in the division blow, including Rodgers. The Packers also suck and, like I said, the division is p1ss poor. None of these teams are strong compared to the league overall... it's just that Minnesota is better than the a$$-Packers and Bear-Cubs.
If you disagree you are wrong, and, as they say... SCORE-BOARD.
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It's both, buddy. All QBs in the division blow, including Rodgers. The Packers also suck and, like I said, the division is p1ss poor. None of these teams are strong compared to the league overall... it's just that Minnesota is better than the a$$-Packers and Bear-Cubs.
If you disagree you are wrong, and, as they say... SCORE-BOARD.
You are the perfect example as to why I don't talk football to ViQUEENS fans.
/knows full well GB fans are dumber than hell sometimes, just read the JS Online comments.
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Rodgers is top ten in...
-QB rating (9th)
-Passing Yards (5th)
-TDs (6th)
-TD% (7th)
Sounds like a guy I'd hate to have on my team....
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You are the perfect example as to why I don't talk football to ViQUEENS fans.
/knows full well GB fans are dumber than hell sometimes, just read the JS Online comments.
+1
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Rodgers is top ten in...
-QB rating (9th)
-Passing Yards (5th)
-TDs (6th)
-TD% (7th)
Sounds like a guy I'd hate to have on my team....
Just beat me to it Iam..one more
4th least in Int's of those QB's that have played the whole season
Jay Bee, go back to your embarassment of a Dome, put on your ultra cool purple gear and let the adults who use facts to back up their arguments continue on with the discussion.
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And to ensure this thread is up to date...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3743006
Some local judge has temporarily blocked the suspension.
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And to ensure this thread is up to date...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3743006
Some local judge has temporarily blocked the suspension.
Shocker. The NFL policy on banned substances clearly states that the player is ultimately responsible for what he puts in his body. Not the manufacturer, not the label printer, not the FDA, not the guy who gave it to him. The player is responsible. Enjoy your suspensions, cheaters.
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Exactly.
I hope they were successful in their weight loss quest!
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Fed judge needs more time... looks like the Williams boys will be on the field for the trouncing of Detroit this Sunday.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!
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Fed judge needs more time... looks like the Williams boys will be on the field for the trouncing of Detroit this Sunday.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!
Where'd they find a judge? Oh, right...
http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/Judges/magnuson.shtml (http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/Judges/magnuson.shtml)
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Sounds independent to me! GO VIKES!!!!
Best football-themed burger I've had, though: The Gilbertburger.
Of course, Gilbert Brown was a draft pick of THE Minnesota Vikings.
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This is classic. Rather than have their guys sit against winless Detroit, they appeal. Now, they will be able to play against Detroit, but the forth game of the suspension would be the 1st playoff game (if they make the playoffs). I would much rather have two of my best three players play against a winless team than in a playoff game!
If the Packers can't win the division, that would be my second preferred scenario. That would be hilarious.
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It's not an issue of playing Detroit and being unable to play in our first (of several) playoff games this year.
It's an issue of the NFL's wrong doings and trying to make the gods of the Vikings pay for their wrongdoings.
We stand on principles.
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NFL's wrong doings? I believe the substance policy is pretty clear. "Your body, you're responsibility."
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NFL's wrong doings? I believe the substance policy is pretty clear. "Your body, you're responsibility."
You can believe that. A US District Judge disagreed today.
BTW, not sure who you're quoting, but it should be "your" responsibility, not "you're". Must be from Wisconsin!
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sorry for the grammatical mistake. I'm actually a fib.
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So much for the Pack having the most favorable schedule.
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So much for the Pack having the most favorable schedule.
Pathetic, really. Oh well. Marquette basketball is in full swing.
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well the fact that they have the easiest schedule hasn't changed.
apparently their ability to suck has also not changed.
Bears will win the division.
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I agree, about all components of that statement...
Here is my thought from watching bits and pieces of the Houston Green Bay game..
How does Houston not have a better record? They have some outstanding offensive weapons, and a decent defense.
Bears 9-7
Vikes 8-8
Pack 7-9
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sage rosenfels and a tough schedule.
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The Vikings will win the division. Not necessarily a function of them being a good team, as much as it is a function of them being the tallest midget. They're ok, but the Packers and Bears both pretty much suck.
Not that it matters much necessarily...raise your hand if you see any one of those three winning a playoff game this year (I suppose playing at home will help, but...)
Disclosure: Packer fan
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The Vikings will win the division. Not necessarily a function of them being a good team, as much as it is a function of them being the tallest midget. They're ok, but the Packers and Bears both pretty much suck.
Not that it matters much necessarily...raise your hand if you see any one of those three winning a playoff game this year (I suppose playing at home will help, but...)
Disclosure: Packer fan
I don't see how you can think that Minnesota is better than Chicago.
Did you watch the Minnesota / Detroit game or highlights, or even look at the box score?
they scraped by a team who will probably not win a game all year.
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they scraped by a team who will probably not win a game all year.
You mean like the Bears did few weeks back, having to come back from 10 points down to win the game?
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Lucky for Minnesota their "Williams Wall" is getting to play or else that team may be in a different position than where they are now.
300 LB + D-lineman trying to loose weight? Come on...they were just trying to get stronger and got caught...
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You mean like the Bears did few weeks back, having to come back from 10 points down to win the game?
Vikes have the harded schedule down the stretch... not the bears.
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Texans were just a bad match up for the Packers. I wasn't shocked that the Vikings struggled mightily again with the Lions either.
Vikings/Cardinals is a very interesting game this week. It's essentially for the third seed in the NFC. I think Vikings lose this week, and then beat Atlanta and the Giants at home (mainly because I think the Giants won't play anyone or game plan too much for that game).
Packers/Bears next week will still be a huge game (unless the Pack lays an egg in Jacksonville, then they're season will be officially over).
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I don't see how you can think that Minnesota is better than Chicago.
Did you watch the Minnesota / Detroit game or highlights, or even look at the box score?
they scraped by a team who will probably not win a game all year.
the beauty of pro sports is that "you are what your record says you are".
If the Bears finish with a better record, then they will be better than MN.
There are no "bad wins" or even "moral victories" in the NFL. Especially in that division.
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Vikes have the harded schedule down the stretch... not the bears.
On the surface, that would appear to be true...But, the Giants game will likley have no meaning at all for NY, so who knows what the Vikings will see out of them. The Saints and Packers both feature very potent passing attacks which spells nightmare matchups for the Bears. I am not predicting it necessarily, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Bears won their last game yesterday.
Anyway, your argument was that the Bears are better than the Vikings. There is little or no evidence to support that theory, and remaining schedule has nothing to do with it.
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As a Bears fan, the Texans game scares me far more than the Saints or Packers do. Saints recent history at Soldier Field is not good, and the Bears are not travelling on a short week. As I mentioned previously, the Bears then get the longest non-bye week break of any team in the league when they play this Thursday, and then not again until the 22nd. This time of year, that is a huge advantage.
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In my opinion, the Bears and the Vikes are the same team.
Running offense only throwing if they have to with a banged up starting QB. (they have a .2 difference in Pts/Game)
Good run defense, and deplorable pass defense. (.2 difference in pts/game given up)
the difference in the teams is who they still have to play.
your point about the Giants game does have merit though, and I believe I already conceeded that in an earlier post.
It comes down to the Williams' absence, basically.
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As a Bears fan, the Texans game scares me far more than the Saints or Packers do.
+1
But more specifically, Andre Johnson scares me more than Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, or M Colston.
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The Williams boys being banned doesn't necessarily mean we'd lose out... some of you seem to think so.
Then again, some of you claimed last week that the a$$-pack would go 4-0. Hahhahah! hilarious! At least they didn't give up **500 yards**.
SKOL VIKINGS! No QB, no head coach, yet we are still soon-to-be NFC North Champions!
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The Williams boys being banned doesn't necessarily mean we'd lose out... some of you seem to think so.
Then again, some of you claimed last week that the a$$-pack would go 4-0. Hahhahah! hilarious! At least they didn't give up **500 yards**.
SKOL VIKINGS! No QB, no head coach, yet we are still soon-to-be NFC North Champions!
The fact that you think any team deserves playoffs from this division screams stupidity.
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+1
I never said they would win out, I said that they had the best shot.
learn to read for context troll.
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now come monday, there is a good chance I will be eating crow.
How's it tasting, buddy? Boy, Schaub sure had a tough time getting back into the swing of things after 4 weeks of being out due to injury... but, gotta get that timing back and everything. No wonder he only threw for 414 yards.
But, hey... even if you feel the passing d wasn't up to par... at least there was the rushing D. You really handled that rookie RB for the Texans.
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You really handled that rookie RB for the Texans.
Lord knows I am have no interest in trying to defend the indefensible Packer defense, but that rookie running back has a 5 yard average and is over 1000 on the season. When it comes to RB's, the term rookie is completely meaningless. Probably the most immediate impact position on the field. The Packers are bad to be sure, but Slaton is good.
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No QB, no head coach, yet we are still soon-to-be NFC North Champions!
Like I said earlier...tallest midget.
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Lord knows I am have no interest in trying to defend the indefensible Packer defense, but that rookie running back has a 5 yard average and is over 1000 on the season. When it comes to RB's, the term rookie is completely meaningless. Probably the most immediate impact position on the field. The Packers are bad to be sure, but Slaton is good.
In addition, can we please stop calling these players rookies after week 8
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Packers/Bears next week will still be a huge game (unless the Pack lays an egg in Jacksonville, then they're season will be officially over).
That game is only big for the Bears. The Packers will not close out the season 3-0 and the Vikings will not close out 0-3.As a Bears fan, the Texans game scares me far more than the Saints or Packers do.
Does a game get much worse than 37-3?
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Anyone that comes out of this miserable steaming dogpile of a division is just gonna be lambs for the slaughter anyways. Come on now, does anyone here honestly think any of the 3 teams in this division that have a win actually have a shot to win a playoff game?
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That game is only big for the Bears. The Packers will not close out the season 3-0 and the Vikings will not close out 0-3.Does a game get much worse than 37-3?
What does the Packers 37-3 win over the Bears in Lambeau have anything to do with the Bears @ Texans? The Packers were great that day, the Bears sucked, big deal. It's one of 16 games that has no effect (outside injury) on the next game. A game against a potentially dead in the water Packers team, with 11 days between games, at home, is far less scary then going to Houston, playing against a team with nothing to lose.
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What does the Packers 37-3 win over the Bears in Lambeau have anything to do with the Bears @ Texans? The Packers were great that day, the Bears sucked, big deal. It's one of 16 games that has no effect (outside injury) on the next game. A game against a potentially dead in the water Packers team, with 11 days between games, at home, is far less scary then going to Houston, playing against a team with nothing to lose.
+1
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What does the Packers 37-3 win over the Bears in Lambeau have anything to do with the Bears @ Texans? The Packers were great that day, the Bears sucked, big deal. It's one of 16 games that has no effect (outside injury) on the next game. A game against a potentially dead in the water Packers team, with 11 days between games, at home, is far less scary then going to Houston, playing against a team with nothing to lose.
#1, I'm a bears fan. However, it's interesting how you refer to the Packers as "dead in the water" and Houston as having "nothing to lose." Aren't both teams "dead in the water" with "nothing to lose". and to make matters worse, the Packers are our biggest rival. They will be pumped up for that game, if only to knock us out of the playoff picture. Both teams are equally scary in my book. hell, even NO scares me because we cannot stop a good passing offense. unless it is windy tomorrow, NO will destroy us through the air.
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Anyone that comes out of this miserable steaming dogpile of a division is just gonna be lambs for the slaughter anyways. Come on now, does anyone here honestly think any of the 3 teams in this division that have a win actually have a shot to win a playoff game?
I'm inclined to agree at first... but division winners get a 1st round game at home.
Other than maybe Dallas, none of the wildcard teams really impress me enough to think that they could beat and NFC north team at home in December.
Chi, GB and MN are tough places to play (especially in Dec).
MN is tough in the metrodome (especially now that they can rush the passer).
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I didn't say the Packers were "dead in the water", I said they had the potential to be. If they lose at Jacksonville on Sunday, stick a fork in them, they're done.
Texans have no hope of going to the playoffs, and they have realized that for weeks. Most seasons in the NFL, you'll see a team like last years Bills, with nothing to play for, come out and go gangbusters the last four/six weeks of the season.
Given the choice and under the ideal circumstances in front of them, I'd much rather take my chances going up against the Packers (11 days in between games, at home, no travel, team your familiar with, awful defense), then going to Houston to take on the Texans. If the Bears still have a shot at the playoffs on December 28th, mark it down, the Texans will end the Bears season.
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I would add Atlanta to the list of teams that scare me. They have the Burner running the ball, which is a great neutralizer for both cold stadiums and a pass rush. And Matt Ryan is also a decent QB.
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I would add Atlanta to the list of teams that scare me. They have the Burner running the ball, which is a great neutralizer for both cold stadiums and a pass rush. And Matt Ryan is also a decent QB.
We'll find out when they play the Vikings in the dome.
I'm not saying the Vikings are a barometer to how good a team is... but at this point there is pretty much the Giants, maybe the Panthers, and then everybody else.
MN might get whipped by ATL in 2 weeks, or they might whip ATL... either way, it will probably tell us how good ATL is.
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Green Bay will win the division.
write it down.
so i have this note and i'm not sure what to do with it...
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crumple it up and throw it away.
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Hards----Do you know anything about pro football?
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crumple it up and throw it away.
Don't feel bad, because about 10 weeks ago every analyst in the country agreed with you about the Pack.
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awful defense
The Bears offense is so bad that it doesn't matter how bad another team's defense is. I'd just worry about the other team's offense because we know the Bears won't be doing much of scoring no matter what. I'd be more worried about a team with a good offense and bad defense then the other way around.
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The Bears offense is so bad that it doesn't matter how bad another team's defense is. I'd just worry about the other team's offense because we know the Bears won't be doing much of scoring no matter what. I'd be more worried about a team with a good offense and bad defense then the other way around.
Hey, I appreciate your support of the Packers, it's honorable. Your logic is pretty poor, but we can go through that below.
Bears Offensive Rankings
23.4 PPG (16th)
308 YPG (24th)
+6 TO Ratio (9th)
For the most part, these are the stats that matter. Their yards per game isn't outstanding, but they're within 1.8 yards from being bumped up to 22nd. Hardly impressive, but by no stretch "so bad".
For a team not doing "much scoring", being 16th in the league in that category I suppose is confusing to you then. I'm not sure what that says about the other half of the league below them.
As for rushing stats, the Bears are 15th in the NFL. Packers are 18th.
I realize the Packers offense is better than the Bears, and that's great, hang your hat on that one. What that gets you is squat come December 29th. If the Packers beat the Bears in two weeks, that's fine, it honestly won't bother me. I expect the Bears to be home on December 29th as well. Neither team deserves a playoff game, much less a home playoff game.
If you're going to make an argument about how "so bad" the Bears offense is, at least try to use even a little rational statistical thought to back it up.
If you want to see a "so bad, won't be doing much of scoring no matter what", please go check out Bengals, Cincinnati.
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Hey, I appreciate your support of the Packers, it's honorable. Your logic is pretty poor, but we can go through that below.
Bears Offensive Rankings
23.4 PPG (16th)
308 YPG (24th)
+6 TO Ratio (9th)
For the most part, these are the stats that matter. Their yards per game isn't outstanding, but they're within 1.8 yards from being bumped up to 22nd. Hardly impressive, but by no stretch "so bad".
For a team not doing "much scoring", being 16th in the league in that category I suppose is confusing to you then. I'm not sure what that says about the other half of the league below them.
As for rushing stats, the Bears are 15th in the NFL. Packers are 18th.
I realize the Packers offense is better than the Bears, and that's great, hang your hat on that one. What that gets you is squat come December 29th. If the Packers beat the Bears in two weeks, that's fine, it honestly won't bother me. I expect the Bears to be home on December 29th as well. Neither team deserves a playoff game, much less a home playoff game.
If you're going to make an argument about how "so bad" the Bears offense is, at least try to use even a little rational statistical thought to back it up.
If you want to see a "so bad, won't be doing much of scoring no matter what", please go check out Bengals, Cincinnati.
Haha where in my post do you get "support of the Packers?" Not once did I mention the Packers. I'm not saying the Packers are good. I've said since about Week 7 or Week 8 that the Packers are way too inconsistent. All I'm saying is the Bears are not a good offensive team, so for them I'd say they're better off matching up against teams with a good defense and bad offense, because at least they can match the defense while hopefully doing just enough on offense. I guess you can throw out numbers at me if you'd like, especially ones suggesting that they're mediocre, at best, on offense, but I don't think you're going to convince me that the Bears have a good offense. The best part about their offense, by FAR, is their rushing game, and that's 15th, out of 32 teams. Says something. Far from a great offense.
Did I support or defend the Packers in this post too much too? I suppose I actually did mention them in this post. Oops
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I was probably reading too much into it, my apologies.
By no means are they even close to a great offense. On the contrary, I was suggesting they were average. Even their rushing game, with Forte, is only average.
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I was probably reading too much into it, my apologies.
By no means are they even close to a great offense. On the contrary, I was suggesting they were average. Even their rushing game, with Forte, is only average.
Alright thank you, we can agree that their offense is not very good. I really didn't mean to be defending the Packers. We're 5-8. Clearly we have no argument to be in the playoffs.
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Hards----Do you know anything about pro football?
plenty, but even experts can be wrong sometimes, kiddo.
you don't have to get bent out of shape because you think (foolishly) Tennessee somehow makes or breaks Marquette's season.
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So... another week down, two more to play. How are these 'Packers' doing? Is one TD and one INT against the 'Jags' good? I think that's what Erin Rodgers had.
My poor Vikings had to start the lowly Tarvaris Jackson since our ancient & crippled journeyman Frerotte was unable to play. Tarvaris didn't even get us one of those INT things. And he did four of those Touchdown throw play things. You guys are so lucky to have Erin.
Who do you think will be your first round matchup in the playoffs? Good luck, Packars!!!
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My poor Vikings had to start the lowly Tarvaris Jackson since our ancient & crippled journeyman Frerotte was unable to play. Tarvaris didn't even get us one of those INT things. And he did four of those Touchdown throw play things. You guys are so lucky to have Erin.
Who do you think will be your first round matchup in the playoffs? Good luck, Packars!!!
Let me start this by saying I am a Bears fan, and hate all things Green & Gold. There is no way you can tell me you would take T Jack over Rogers at QB. 4 TDs yes, impressive (on 163 yards), but the Vikings D and AP won this game. It is pretty easy to throw scores when you have a constant home run threat in the backfield, and your D keeps giving you the ball on the opponents side of the field.
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So... another week down, two more to play. How are these 'Packers' doing? Is one TD and one INT against the 'Jags' good? I think that's what Erin Rodgers had.
My poor Vikings had to start the lowly Tarvaris Jackson since our ancient & crippled journeyman Frerotte was unable to play. Tarvaris didn't even get us one of those INT things. And he did four of those Touchdown throw play things. You guys are so lucky to have Erin.
Who do you think will be your first round matchup in the playoffs? Good luck, Packars!!!
You are one of the most clueless football fans I have ever heard (I guess read in this case). My guess is you liked Culpepper over Favre too...
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So... another week down, two more to play. How are these 'Packers' doing? Is one TD and one INT against the 'Jags' good? I think that's what Erin Rodgers had.
My poor Vikings had to start the lowly Tarvaris Jackson since our ancient & crippled journeyman Frerotte was unable to play. Tarvaris didn't even get us one of those INT things. And he did four of those Touchdown throw play things. You guys are so lucky to have Erin.
Good Lord! Please tell me you're joking. Are you actually suggesting that the Vikings backup QB is better than Aaron Rodgers? Really? If not, what's your point? I'm not going to come on here and suggest that the Packers are better than the Vikings (or the Bears for that matter), but your post is just...well, its strange. If you could have ARod today, what are you gonna say? "No thanks. I'll stick with Ferotte/Jackson." Yeah, ok.
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I'd take Rodgers over Jackson everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. Not even close. The Packers problems look to me to be 95% defensive.
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Jay Bee's "contributions" to the thread suggest he/she is incapable of rational discussion, but is rather adept in making sarcastic and tragically unfunny remarks.
Don't feed the troll, fellas.
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By the way, I could be wrong, but I don't recall Jay bee talking on this thread until the Vikings went up 2 games on the Packers and 1 game on the Bears in the division. Where were you when the Packers beat the Bears and the Vikings lost to the Bucs to bring the division to a 3 way tie? Or when the Packers were 2-0 and looked like the best team in the NFC while the Vikings looked like a joke (which they are...just the best joke in the NFC North)? Tough to talk after everything is pretty much played out, hey?
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I will eat my shoe if the Vikes go 3-1 against:
Detroit (W)
Arizona (L)
Atlanta (L)
NY Giants (L, though they may be resting everyone at this point)
Green Bay on the other hand has to play
Houston (5-7)
Jacksonville, the disappointment of the year at (4-8)
Chicago (6-6)
Detroit (0-12)
I'd say the smart money is on Green Bay.
so...minnesota, playoffs, anyone?
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Karma.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3771495 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3771495)
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By the way, I could be wrong, but I don't recall Jay bee talking on this thread until the Vikings went up 2 games on the Packers and 1 game on the Bears in the division. Where were you when the Packers beat the Bears and the Vikings lost to the Bucs to bring the division to a 3 way tie? Tough to talk after everything is pretty much played out, hey?
The worst part about going to Marquette was definitely all the Packars fans. Wadesworld, indeed you are wrong. No need to recall with that little mind of yours, simply go to the first page of this post. The post was started on December 3. I first posted on December 3. You'll see exactly where I was. You are flat out wrong.
My initial post discussed the Bears and Packers sucking, blowing, etc. This was in response to the topic starter who used the same type of descriptions, but with a 'Green Bay rocks' twist. This post was followed by others such as, "MN can't win, the Williams boys are banned", "Green Bay should go 4-0", etc. The only thing different about my posting in this topic from most others is that my team is the one who has won games, you pathetic crybabies.
To be clear, I do believe (in my case, 'believe' is generally synonymous with 'know'):
+ the Packars absolutely blow
+ the NFC North is terrible this year
+ a lot of Packars fans believe too much in Erin Rogars
+ for having the best QB is the division, a running back who looked to be very good last year, and other factors, this season has been a disappointing failure and almost shameful in some respects for Green Bay
+ Rodgers is light years better than T-Jack or Gus
+ we, the Minnesota Vikings, have won four games more than the Packurs and, more likely than not, will reach the postseason for the first time in several seasons and anything can happen in the playoffs,... so Packer Backers, remember that WE WIN, YOU LOSE. Don't worry, there will be plenty of television coverage on your Packers throughout the year.... down to the ridiculous degree of the lead story of the 6 o'clock news showing some o-lineman mowing his lawn in the spring time and discussing what he's up to during the offseason.
I'm curious where some of you freaks think you'd be with Fav-ray as your QB... I know that although you didn't want him, you were terrified of him in purple. But, in the end, it didn't matter, did it?
Green Bay's season has been a pathetic display. Minnesota has come out a winner.
Is the Pat Williams injury karma? No, it's a football injury. They happen. Injuries are not strangers to many football teams - certainly not the Vikings this season. When adversity strikes, the Vikings have kept on rolling. When adversity came to the Packers, they folded and underperformed. Disgraceful!
SK0L VIKINGS!!!!
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My initial post discussed the Bears and Packers sucking, blowing, etc. This was in response to the topic starter who used the same type of descriptions, but with a 'Green Bay rocks' twist.
I have done many things in my life, but starting a thread with a "green bay rocks" twist is not one of them. Nor will it ever happen, as I to endured life @ Marquette as a Bears fan/Packer hater. During a time when the Bears were not good.
If anything the post had a Tampa Bay twist. ;)
I must tip my hat to the Vikings they are playing well at the right time. Childress needs to remember that AP is his best player, and needs the ball as much as possible. With the exception of meaningless punt/kick returns.
(As much as I am hoping for a miracle from the Bears, they lost 3 games early in the season that they should not have, and now it is going to bite them in the ass.)
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The worst part about going to Marquette was definitely all the Packars fans. ... you pathetic crybabies.
To be clear, I do believe (in my case, 'believe' is generally synonymous with 'know'):
+ the Packars absolutely blow
+ the NFC North is terrible this year
+ a lot of Packars fans believe too much in Erin Rogars
+ for having the best QB is the division, a running back who looked to be very good last year, and other factors, this season has been a disappointing failure and almost shameful in some respects for Green Bay
+ Rodgers is light years better than T-Jack or Gus
+ we, the Minnesota Vikings, have won four games more than the Packurs and, more likely than not, will reach the postseason for the first time in several seasons and anything can happen in the playoffs,... so Packer Backers, remember that WE WIN, YOU LOSE. Don't worry, there will be plenty of television coverage on your Packers throughout the year.... down to the ridiculous degree of the lead story of the 6 o'clock news showing some o-lineman mowing his lawn in the spring time and discussing what he's up to during the offseason.
... When adversity came to the Packers, they folded and underperformed. Disgraceful!
SK0L VIKINGS!!!!
Best. Post. Ever. This Week.
SK0L, Vikes!
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Is the Pat Williams injury karma? No, it's a football injury. They happen. Injuries are not strangers to many football teams - certainly not the Vikings this season. When adversity strikes, the Vikings have kept on rolling. When adversity came to the Packers, they folded and underperformed. Disgraceful!
While I won't argue the fact that the Packers do, in fact, suck, Pat Williams' injury was definitely karma.
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My apologies Jay bee, you are correct, you posted the first day this thread started. I was thinking of a different thread that was started at the beginning of the year about the NFC North. Didn't see you in that one. Congratulations, you'll go to the playoffs for the first time in many years. The Packers are not going to the playoffs, which is a rare ocurance. You'll bow out in the first round. No doubt. It's unfortunate somebody from the NFC North has to go, keeping the Cowboys/Eagles/Redskins out of the playoffs.
By the way, do minds have sizes?
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My apologies Jay bee, you are correct, you posted the first day this thread started. I was thinking of a different thread that was started at the beginning of the year about the NFC North. Didn't see you in that one. Congratulations, you'll go to the playoffs for the first time in many years. The Packers are not going to the playoffs, which is a rare ocurance. You'll bow out in the first round. No doubt. It's unfortunate somebody from the NFC North has to go, keeping the Cowboys/Eagles/Redskins out of the playoffs.
By the way, do minds have sizes?
Not sure which post you're referring to, but indeed if it was a post that was started at the beginning of the NFL season, I undoubtedly would not have been chiming in early on - I didn't register on this site until approximately 4 weeks ago. We haven't been in the playoffs for 3 years - if that is "many years", then so be it. I'm not sure what an "ocurance" is, but if you meant the Packers not going to the playoffs is a rare ocCurREnce, that would certainly be debatable (especially if we look to 1968-1991 when they a-Packurz made the playoffs, what, 2 times in 24 years?!?!? - but, I would expect such ignorance from you as it's obvious you're a youngster). Get a clue.
It's great someone from the NFC North "has to go". The fact of the matter is Minnesota still could wind up being the #2 seed. But of course, you have us pegged to be one and done - and why not?! You Packur-luvers have been so good with your earlier predictions. If you had a spine, you'd tell me that the Vikings may not make the playoffs at all this year, which is absolutely possible.
Do minds have sizes? I'm thinking you did not attend Marquette... at a minimum, definitely a liberal arts major. When your mom says, "that Jay Bee is a mental giant!", do you get p1ssed off because you're unable to understand what it means?! "Uhh, mommy... can a mental be a size?"
You guys had a QB that, while spelling his name in a ferociously geigh way (as does FER-rotte), was a competitor and a winner. You don't have that any longer. You dreamed up that you had the second coming early on this season, complete with a lucrative but unwarranted contract extension. But you did not. You turned your back on a legend, and for that you may very well be cursed.
The reality is, however, that whether the Packers win or lose football games, they still bl0w big ones. And they LOVE it.
SK0L VIKINGS!!
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The worst part about going to Marquette was definitely all the Packars fans. Wadesworld, indeed you are wrong. No need to recall with that little mind of yours, simply go to the first page of this post. The post was started on December 3. I first posted on December 3. You'll see exactly where I was. You are flat out wrong.
My initial post discussed the Bears and Packers sucking, blowing, etc. This was in response to the topic starter who used the same type of descriptions, but with a 'Green Bay rocks' twist. This post was followed by others such as, "MN can't win, the Williams boys are banned", "Green Bay should go 4-0", etc. The only thing different about my posting in this topic from most others is that my team is the one who has won games, you pathetic crybabies.
To be clear, I do believe (in my case, 'believe' is generally synonymous with 'know'):
+ the Packars absolutely blow
+ the NFC North is terrible this year
+ a lot of Packars fans believe too much in Erin Rogars
+ for having the best QB is the division, a running back who looked to be very good last year, and other factors, this season has been a disappointing failure and almost shameful in some respects for Green Bay
+ Rodgers is light years better than T-Jack or Gus
+ we, the Minnesota Vikings, have won four games more than the Packurs and, more likely than not, will reach the postseason for the first time in several seasons and anything can happen in the playoffs,... so Packer Backers, remember that WE WIN, YOU LOSE. Don't worry, there will be plenty of television coverage on your Packers throughout the year.... down to the ridiculous degree of the lead story of the 6 o'clock news showing some o-lineman mowing his lawn in the spring time and discussing what he's up to during the offseason.
I'm curious where some of you freaks think you'd be with Fav-ray as your QB... I know that although you didn't want him, you were terrified of him in purple. But, in the end, it didn't matter, did it?
Green Bay's season has been a pathetic display. Minnesota has come out a winner.
Is the Pat Williams injury karma? No, it's a football injury. They happen. Injuries are not strangers to many football teams - certainly not the Vikings this season. When adversity strikes, the Vikings have kept on rolling. When adversity came to the Packers, they folded and underperformed. Disgraceful!
SK0L VIKINGS!!!!
Seems to me that last year was the aberration, not this year. The Packers were pretty bad the last few years until last year. Now this year they are back to being pretty bad. The anomoly of the last 4 years was 13-3 of 2008, the only year with a winning record. Otherwise they have 4 wins, 8 wins and right now 5 wins.
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Seems to me that last year was the aberration, not this year. The Packers were pretty bad the last few years until last year. Now this year they are back to being pretty bad. The anomoly of the last 4 years was 13-3 of 2008, the only year with a winning record. Otherwise they have 4 wins, 8 wins and right now 5 wins.
The Packers still have a lot of good, young talent but TT just needs to do a better job of complimenting that talent not only through the draft but also free agency as well, something he hasn't done much of (other than Woodson and Pickett). Although, Rodgers hasn't been able to come through in the clutch this year, he should still be a very good QB for the Pack for quite some time.
P.S. - Chicos, at least the Pack have won a playoff game in the last 12 years :)
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The Packers still have a lot of good, young talent but TT just needs to do a better job of complimenting that talent not only through the draft but also free agency as well, something he hasn't done much of (other than Woodson and Pickett). Although, Rodgers hasn't been able to come through in the clutch this year, he should still be a very good QB for the Pack for quite some time.
You need to do a better job of understanding basic grammar. I think you are looking for "complementing" not "complimenting" in the above. I expect these types of errors from fans of 'The Pack', so no big deal, big guy.
You are right about one of your Erin comments, however... he hasn't been able to come through in the clutch this year... which also means that he hasn't ever come through in the clutch, since he hasn't played before this year.
The Journal Sentinal, a publication who would gladly take a facial from any gentlemen on the Pakurs practice squad, had a cute article recently. The title was something close to, "Erin sucks when it matters". The beginning of the article, for your enjoyment:
"The longer the streak goes, the harder it gets for Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. The Packers' 20-16 loss to the Jaguars marked the seventh time this season that Rodgers had the ball in his hands late in the fourth quarter with a chance to beat a team and wasn't able to do it."
Is this accurate, my green and golden showered friends? Seventh time he's failed in the fourth quarter? Oh well.. at least she had over 100 more passing yards than Tarvaris last week, right?!?! I think I recall some tot describing the Jags as the biggest disappointment of the league recently... what does this make the Pickers? David G. craps his pants uncontrollably and still beats you. WTF. You guys really bl0w.
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You need to do a better job of understanding basic grammar. I think you are looking for "complementing" not "complimenting" in the above. I expect these types of errors from fans of 'The Pack', so no big deal, big guy.
You are right about one of your Erin comments, however... he hasn't been able to come through in the clutch this year... which also means that he hasn't ever come through in the clutch, since he hasn't played before this year.
The Journal Sentinal, a publication who would gladly take a facial from any gentlemen on the Pakurs practice squad, had a cute article recently. The title was something close to, "Erin sucks when it matters". The beginning of the article, for your enjoyment:
"The longer the streak goes, the harder it gets for Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. The Packers' 20-16 loss to the Jaguars marked the seventh time this season that Rodgers had the ball in his hands late in the fourth quarter with a chance to beat a team and wasn't able to do it."
Is this accurate, my green and golden showered friends? Seventh time he's failed in the fourth quarter? Oh well.. at least she had over 100 more passing yards than Tarvaris last week, right?!?! I think I recall some tot describing the Jags as the biggest disappointment of the league recently... what does this make the Pickers? David G. craps his pants uncontrollably and still beats you. WTF. You guys really bl0w.
There's a nice (and smart) way of saying that. :-\
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There's a nice (and smart) way of saying that. :-\
Pretty clear that he doesn't know nice or smart.
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Pehaps not but he knows Hilarius. You tell them Jay Bee!
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You need to do a better job of understanding basic grammar. I think you are looking for "complementing" not "complimenting" in the above. I expect these types of errors from fans of 'The Pack', so no big deal, big guy.
You are right about one of your Erin comments, however... he hasn't been able to come through in the clutch this year... which also means that he hasn't ever come through in the clutch, since he hasn't played before this year.
The Journal Sentinal, a publication who would gladly take a facial from any gentlemen on the Pakurs practice squad, had a cute article recently. The title was something close to, "Erin sucks when it matters". The beginning of the article, for your enjoyment:
"The longer the streak goes, the harder it gets for Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. The Packers' 20-16 loss to the Jaguars marked the seventh time this season that Rodgers had the ball in his hands late in the fourth quarter with a chance to beat a team and wasn't able to do it."
Is this accurate, my green and golden showered friends? Seventh time he's failed in the fourth quarter? Oh well.. at least she had over 100 more passing yards than Tarvaris last week, right?!?! I think I recall some tot describing the Jags as the biggest disappointment of the league recently... what does this make the Pickers? David G. craps his pants uncontrollably and still beats you. WTF. You guys really bl0w.
Yeah, I messed up the different versions of the word, my mistake.
Of course, I'm not sure I would call this good grammar either: "I think I recall some tot describing the Jags as the biggest disappointment of the league recently."
Either you a) were going to use the verb tout or b) you heard a small child opine that Jasksonville has been disappointing. Hmmm, I'd be careful throwing that rock in your glass house.
As for the rest of your post, yes ARod has not been able to master the 4th quarter clutch win as of yet. Of course, he'll get plenty of chances in the future because, unlike any QB on the Viqueens roster, he is actually a good quarterback. The Pack has obviously been very disappointing this year, nobody is denying that; but I would say the future looks for good for GB.
Also, if you hold on for the North this year, congrats on breaking out of your tie with the Lions for number of NFC North division titles.
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>Yeah, I messed up the different versions of the word, my mistake.
Sorry pal, but "compliment" and "complement" are not different versions of the same word. They are homonyms. (deleted) so maybe this little lesson will be enough to help you with the last few letters of the word for next time you try to speak with the big boys.
> Of course, I'm not sure I would call this good grammar either: "I think I recall some tot describing the Jags as the biggest disappointment of the league recently."
Either you a) were going to use the verb tout or b) you heard a small child opine that Jasksonville has been disappointing.
Or c) your lack of wit continues to get the best of you. I meant tot, as in a child. Which is exactly what I typed.
>As for the rest of your post, yes ARod has not been able to master the 4th quarter clutch win as of yet. Of course, he'll get plenty of chances in the future because, unlike any QB on the Viqueens roster, he is actually a good quarterback. The Pack has obviously been very disappointing this year, nobody is denying that; but I would say the future looks for good for GB.
See, my problem is that they have been denying it. Just two weeks ago, people in this post had the Pakurs pegged for the division championship. Now that its academic, most aren't denying it outloud, they have just become suddenly very quiet.
>Also, if you hold on for the North this year, congrats on breaking out of your tie with the Lions for number of NFC North division titles.
Good one, little guy. The reality is the NFC North has the same lineup as the NFC Central did until 1977. Tampa was around from then to 2002, when the NFC "North" was "created" (renamed)... In professional football, when the division has been Minnesota, Detroit, Chicago and Green Bay, Minnesota has won the most division championships of any of the teams. So don't shed too many tears over 2008. Green Bay is often a disappointment. Get used to it, if you're not already, tot.
And if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Bruce Pearl.
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This thread isn't even a fun pissing match. Jay Bee, relax, it's just a sport.
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This thread isn't even a fun pissing match. Jay Bee, relax, it's just a sport.
Haha true words. The dude's a fool. I look forward to seeing his 3 paragraph response to my post, breaking down every sentence I wrote in this post.
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Hmmm....different versions (as of the same sounding word, maybe I should have been a little more specific.
Maybe I just should have wrote "Tampa was around from then to 2002." Is that proper english?
Did you read what I wrote? Your option C was the same as my option B. Its good to see you are referencing a young child's opinion when discussing facts about pro football.
But enough grammar police. The Vikings had a good year and they have the best player in football. I'm man enough to admit that. But I also know they have a horrible coach who doesn't give him the ball enough and don't have a starting qb on the roster. Congrats to the Queens but as a Packers fan I think our team has a pretty bright future.
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Just to be clear,
While Jay Bee's writing style may not be exactly clear or concise, he's pretty much right. Try not to be so smug, Packer fans.
The Pack's defense has underperformed (that's putting it nicely), Rodgers looks good for the most part, but I wouldn't bet the farm that he's a franchise QB, and Ryan Grant doesn't look like he's the long term solution.
The Bears are missing some receivers (a even "a" receiver), Orton looked good early, but looks average since the injury and the defense looks like it might be getting old in a hurry.
The Vikings still have issues at QB, early in the year, the special teams were horrendous, and while the defense has been very good, they could get old in a hurry (a lot of veterans on that side of the ball).
All I'm saying is that every team has their warts, so I wouldn't sound so smug and say things like "enjoy winning the division" or crap like that.
The Vikes are a pretty decent team this year, while the Pack and Bears fell short (although the Bears still might make it). In the modern NFL, it could all be different next year.
Trash talk is fine, but let's be honest; without Farve, the Packer organization is in uncharted territory. Daunte Culpepper (love him or hate him) had a few HUGE years with the Vikes, and then BAM, he gets hurt and is never the same (similar story with McMahon back in the 80's)
Farve (love him or hate him), gave the Packers and unbelievable amount of stability at a position that most teams struggle to fill.
Be careful what you wish for, Pack fans... your fortunes and futures could continue to be bleak (like this season) or get worse.
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I never in my life thought I would say this, but I hope the Bears beat the Packers tomorrow night, just to keep Jay bee quiet. He's awfully quiet right now. He better hope that those Giants come back and win this game against the Panthers so they have nothing to play for next week, otherwise they're in some real trouble with the Giants then having something to play for in the last week of the season. Reminds me a little of the 2003 season. Arizona was AWFUL that year too!
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I never in my life thought I would say this, but I hope the Bears beat the Packers tomorrow night, just to keep Jay bee quiet. He's awfully quiet right now. He better hope that those Giants come back and win this game against the Panthers so they have nothing to play for next week, otherwise they're in some real trouble with the Giants then having something to play for in the last week of the season. Reminds me a little of the 2003 season. Arizona was AWFUL that year too!
I will never, ever, ever root for the Packers to lose.
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I'm currently in the Caribbean (I know, poor me) and hadn't been on here in a while. Interesting, to say the least, to see how this thread unfolded. On a complete side note, I'm in San Juan right now after a cruise, and am staying at the same hotel as all 4 teams involved in the San Juan Shootout (South Florida, Wright St., Murray St., and Oral Roberts).
Having both worked for the Bears and being a season ticket holder for a while, I can say this as 100% fact...the Bears/Packers game are MUCH more civil than any Bears/Vikings game in any season. The number of arrests/fights/disputes for Bears/Vikings is by far the most of any opponent, every season.
The Packer fans I've sat around/met at Soldier Field are honestly great fans. They'll get into it with Bears fans, and vice versa, but it for the most part stays civil. I'd be interested to hear what Packer fans who go to Lambeau think of Viking/Bears fans.
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The Packer fans I've sat around/met at Soldier Field are honestly great fans. They'll get into it with Bears fans, and vice versa, but it for the most part stays civil. I'd be interested to hear what Packer fans who go to Lambeau think of Viking/Bears fans.
I can't say about the Bears/Vikings fan since I've been to one game in the last 10 years, but I was at the Packers vs. Colts game this year and had very nice seats, and there were about 6 Colts fans sitting around where I was (3 sets of 2 of them), and in the front row there were 2 Packer fans giving the 2 Colts fans a hard time, especially about Peyton, so at the end of the game the 2 Packer fans bought those 2 a beer. It was pretty hilarious. The 2 right behind me got out of there pretty quickly after the game was out of hand.
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Jay bee, where you at? C'mon, man. Don't wait until you know for sure whether or not the Vikings win the division to talk. Man up dawg!
I'm rooting for the Bears to win the division...what has this world come to?
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Last night was almost too much to handle. First Dom hits the big 3 then the Bears get 2 good offensive drives all game, and somehow manage to win.
Also, who here HATES Tony Kornheiser on the MNF broadcast as much as I do?
He adds nothing, not even comedy, to the group.
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Jay bee, where you at? C'mon, man. Don't wait until you know for sure whether or not the Vikings win the division to talk. Man up dawg!
I'm rooting for the Bears to win the division...what has this world come to?
I'm right here, little guy. Like I said, the Bears bl0w and the Packers suck. Man, that was some ugly stuff last night. 0-8 for Erin this year now, although you can't place the failure of their final drive of the fourth quarter on him (but you can't place the field position the team got on him much, either). At any rate, both teams eat it big time.
Who knows what will happen this coming weekend. Nothing would surprise me. Hopefully the Giants will be resting... but still, they will probably be much like your mom, wadesworld, and put 8 men in the box at one time. Hopefully T-Jack can come through. As long as we don't fumble effin 7 times we'll have a good shot. Plus, Chicago is so awful that they will lose, more likely than not.
The idea of Minnesota or Chicago having a home game in the playoffs this year is laughable. Oh well, hopefully the Vikes will make the most of it. At any rate, Green Bay's putrid year has given me reason to smile and no matter what happens in terms of the NFC North championship, there may be no better holiday gift than Detroit beating the Pakuerz. Hopefully the game ends with Detroit picking off Erin.
edit .. come on, dude.
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lets all agree that no one in the NFC north deserves a playoff spot.
I think Ted Thompson learned a valuable lesson this offseason.
NEVER TRADE AWAY DEFENSIVE LINEMAN.
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lets all agree that no one in the NFC north deserves a playoff spot.
right but arizona, dallas and tampa bay do?
Does anyone know why the vikings have a tie breaker over the bears?
They are tied in record, head to head, conference record. After that doesn't it go to points? The bears are 8 behind in points but i haven't heard anyone say that if the bears score more than the vikings they could earn the tie breaker.
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record against common opponents comes before points. VIkes have the edge
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Vikings will beat NYG next week. NY has the #1 seed wrapped up. Nothing to play for. Their starters will be in for the first quarter, then depart.
For the Vikings, it WILL be a playoff game.
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Houston will murder the Bears, regardless of the Minnesota/NYG game.
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Houston will murder the Bears, regardless of the Minnesota/NYG game.
THen how the hell do they get stomped by the Raiders?
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right but arizona, dallas and tampa bay do?
Does anyone know why the vikings have a tie breaker over the bears?
They are tied in record, head to head, conference record. After that doesn't it go to points? The bears are 8 behind in points but i haven't heard anyone say that if the bears score more than the vikings they could earn the tie breaker.
Wait you're a Cubs fan for baseball and a Vikings fan for football?
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SK 0L, VIKINGS, LETS GO!!!!
Good 6-10 season, a-packers. Bears are losers too.
HOME FIELD next week, baby!!!
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Vikings are a charity case.
I think the football gods just felt bad for you and said "we'll let em make the playoffs but they'll still suck"
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somebody had to win the division.. and nobody should feel good about it. wow the north just flat out sucked this year.
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Fav-ray is about to lose too... oooh, what a glorious day!!!!!!!!!
On that we can agree.
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How would the NFC North change is Mike Shanahan ends up in Detroit? I know they are bad but they have some weapons and good draft picks coming. He would look nice in green and gold too.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jm_GPt2jmT8wZDlX03VHkBlZYgkAD95DACR81
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I highly doubt Shanahan would go to Detroit. That place is a train wreck, and it's not like there's a shortage of other teams looking for a new coach-- Jets, Browns, Raiders. Besides, the Lions' problems are their management and the fact that just about half the team was injured this season. Now that Millen's gone (obviously he had a huge hand in the 0-16 record this year), they'll maybe shape up. The head coach isn't going to make too much of a difference.
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Detroit should throw a bunch of money at Matt Casell then draft O-lineman to protect Cassel and support Kevin Smith.
I think drafting a rookie QB (Bradford) at #1 would be a huge mistake.
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conversely I think the team that throws a bunch of money at Matt Cassell will be sorely disappointed.
he is a product of Bill Bellicheat and the team around him.
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somebody had to win the division.. and nobody should feel good about it. wow the north just flat out sucked this year.
The NFC West was worse..
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lets not forget the AFC W(orst)est.
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conversely I think the team that throws a bunch of money at Matt Cassell will be sorely disappointed.
he is a product of Bill Bellicheat and the team around him.
But if your QBs were John Kitna, Daunte Culpepper, Dan Orslosky, and Drew Stanton, Gus Ferrotte, Travaris Jackson, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman... wouldn't an overrated Matt Cassell be an upgrade?
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in my opinion, no.
Trade their Dallas #1 pick for a QB that is a back up currently but could probably run a team (like what Houston did with Schaub), and then draft a QB in the 3rd round or so with their other pick and DEVELOP him.
In Detroit there will be no quick fix.
Honestly, I would keep Culpepper around (for a year or two to develop a young guy), and let him throw bombs to the Megatron like he used to in Minnesota to Moss.
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I agree with that logic, expect a #1 might be a little high for a backup, and that would seem to be the smart thing to do, but when has the Ford family traveled down that thought path.
Oh, maybe they can take Rex off our hands in Chicago.
Fast Forward to the draft...
Detroit Lions Select Michael Crabtree....
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or just keep culpepper and use the #1 pick on a big Left Tackle that can anchor the line for years.
Rarely does a team go wrong picking a DT or an OL in the draft.
its not sexy, but its better than picking a WR 3 (or is it 4) years in a row with their first pick.
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Living in Boston, at first I thought the same thing about Cassell. But he is legit, true he was throwing to Welker and Moss, but he had no running game and average at best O-Line. He has an arm, can run a bit, and made good decisions.
They won't be able to trade the #1 because of the $$$ implications.
So either sign Cassell or a strong backup, then just go after D Line or O line.
Hopefully the Ford family doesn't read MUScoop. Go Pack!
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I have been trying to come up with a list of what "solid" back up QBs are out there.
Let's break it down by division. (Feel free to interject)
NFC North
GB - Brohm (Maybe, but unproven at best)
Min - None
Chi - None (Bad Rex would outweigh good Rex)
Det - None
NFC East
NYG - Carr (Serviceable)
PHI - Kolb (although McNabb may be more readily available)
Dal - None
Was - None
NFC South
Tampa - Griese (Too old)
Carolina - None
New Orl. - None (Harrington woud be a stretch)
Atlanta - ??
NFC West
SF - None
ARI - LI have a toothachert
Sea - None
Stl - Non
AFC North
Pittsburg - Leftwich (serviceable)
Baltimore - Boller (If healthy)
CLE - Anderson (depending on how bad the knee is)
CIN - None
AFC South
IND - None
TEN - Vince Y. (Insiders have him on his way out with Simms claiming the #2)
Jax - None
Hou - Sage?
AFC East
NE - Cassell (If not franchised due to Brady's slow recovery)
NYJ - None
Mia - None
Buf - Edwards and Losman both see to be destined to be career backups.
AFC West
SD - Volek
Oak - None
Den - Patrick Ramsey
KC - None.
After this I would say for QBs that Detroit could maybe get...
1. Cassell
2. Derek Anderson
3. Edwards, Losman, Ramsey some mid level guy like that and then spend a late pick on a QB to develop.
Like I said, no expert opinions, just boredom.
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right, and the idea is that you do 'open auditions' for the position and make a decision by the last preseason game, and run the game like you would a regular season game...
tell your fans this is a band-aid for a bigger wound, and that hopefully we can develop someone and bring them along slowly like other SUCCESSFUL teams do.
Personally, I'd like to see them give LI have a toothachert, Carr, or Ramsey a shot.
Carr never had a line to block for him and was just beaten up while he was in Houston... give the guy a line and see what happens.
It always blows my mind when teams spend top dollar on running backs or linebackers when you can find guys anywhere to play those positions.
if I were a GM, my top money priorities would go to DTs, DBs, QBs, and then O lineman.
A good offensive line can make a mediocre QB look great.
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I would like to add Jake Delhomme to my list of possible quarterbacks available this off season. I am sure he will be skipping his birthday next year.
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I have been trying to come up with a list of what "solid" back up QBs are out there.
Let's break it down by division. (Feel free to interject)
NFC North
GB - Brohm (Maybe, but unproven at best)
Min - None
Chi - None (Bad Rex would outweigh good Rex)
Det - None
NFC East
NYG - Carr (Serviceable)
PHI - Kolb (although McNabb may be more readily available)
Dal - None
Was - None
NFC South
Tampa - Griese (Too old)
Carolina - None
New Orl. - None (Harrington woud be a stretch)
Atlanta - ??
NFC West
SF - None
ARI - LI have a toothachert
Sea - None
Stl - Non
AFC North
Pittsburg - Leftwich (serviceable)
Baltimore - Boller (If healthy)
CLE - Anderson (depending on how bad the knee is)
CIN - None
AFC South
IND - None
TEN - Vince Y. (Insiders have him on his way out with Simms claiming the #2)
Jax - None
Hou - Sage?
AFC East
NE - Cassell (If not franchised due to Brady's slow recovery)
NYJ - None
Mia - None
Buf - Edwards and Losman both see to be destined to be career backups.
AFC West
SD - Volek
Oak - None
Den - Patrick Ramsey
KC - None.
After this I would say for QBs that Detroit could maybe get...
1. Cassell
2. Derek Anderson
3. Edwards, Losman, Ramsey some mid level guy like that and then spend a late pick on a QB to develop.
Like I said, no expert opinions, just boredom.
So rex grossman has been to a superbowl as a starter and he isn't as good as brohm? homer garbage.
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Matt Cassle will be franchised by the pats so he won't be availble until they are sure brady will be back and healthy.
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So Rex grossman has been to a superbowl as a starter and he isn't as good as brohm? homer garbage.
Thanks. I am a Bears fan.
When I did that weak little analysis I couldn't really see anyone other than Chicago taking a chance on Rex. I just figured he would sign another one year deal and be back in the windy city. I just don't know anything about Brohm so I put him on there, and it probably was an error. I also neglected to put Jeff Garcia on there and he is a free agent, and made about 12 other errors with people I omitted. Sorry, I guess that's why I don't do this for a career. Also, my write up was done before they franchised Cassel.