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Just curious

Luckily we won't have to worry about that in the Big East. :D

Quote from: RedWebster on November 29, 2008, 09:15:42 PM
Just curious

Abe, what will you do if Buzz beats Bo Ryan next week?

Buzz and defense?  Dayton just went over 50 points in the second half.  Hasn't this happened previously?

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 29, 2008, 09:20:53 PM
Abe, what will you do if Buzz beats Bo Ryan next week?

What about our play would suggest that that is likely?

What has wisky done to suggest it won't?

Can we all come back off the cliff... you realize that Dayton also beat us in 2003, that turned out fine. 

Look at last year when dayton beat Louisville, AT LOUISVILLE this early in the season, they turned out fine.

So lets all take a deep deep breath!

Anyone still wondering how Hurley could have steered Taylor to Kansas?

It's not so much that we lost or who we lost to, it's how we did it. They outplayed us in every facet of the game. The one advantage that we had was that they went into the bonus in each half, but we shot 64% from the line, and 47% for everybody other than Matthews.

Even though we're 5-1, we haven't had that one great game where we go out and roll over the other team. Buzz needs to make some adjustments or we will have problems when the competition improves in January.

Quote from: robmufan on November 29, 2008, 09:37:10 PM
Can we all come back off the cliff... you realize that Dayton also beat us in 2003, that turned out fine. 

Look at last year when dayton beat Louisville, AT LOUISVILLE this early in the season, they turned out fine.

So lets all take a deep deep breath!

Very good!!!!!! Lets not all drink the koolaid just yet. We have a short bench with some height coming back soon. The young players will get better and we will play in march.

So, anyone else want to hop on the band wagon to March Madness that MUFan 71 and I are driving?

Quote from: robmufan on November 29, 2008, 09:46:23 PM
So, anyone else want to hop on the band wagon to March Madness that MUFan 71 and I are driving?

Haha, I'm down!

I didn't realize Dayton beat Louisville at Louisville last year...

This loss sucks, but I don't think we are doomed.  I'm just disappointed that our guys aren't playing as well as they could be.  They had a slow start to the season last year as well, so I'm not too worried yet.  I'm sure we'll stomp the badgers next week.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 29, 2008, 09:20:53 PM
Abe, what will you do if Buzz beats Bo Ryan next week?

If Buzz beats Bo Ryan next week what I will do is cross the street and enjoy a postgame beverage at Turners, while you're flicking your bean in California.

By the way, aren't you the poster who pointed out our coach's ridiculous comment about not practicing free throws? And you turn around and bust my chops? For White Sox fans, our coach is the Terry Bevington of Marquette basketball!

By the way, very clever guess, but I am not "Abe Froman." But I like the cut of that guy's gib!

interesting post about TT at Kansas.

I got a very nice reply on my last TT post about playing time if he can to MU.  I think I'm owed an apology

Quote from: gldeagle on November 29, 2008, 09:25:47 PM
What about our play would suggest that that is likely?

Nothing would, I just like to have fun with "superfan" AbeFroman.

As good as TT might be, there is no way in hell Buzz was going to sit down one of the Three Amigos to get him into the starting lineup this year. Now would he take some if not all of Acker and Cubes' time? Certainly.

Quote from: RedWebster on November 29, 2008, 10:09:14 PM


By the way, aren't you the poster who pointed out our coach's ridiculous comment about not practicing free throws? And you turn around and bust my chops? For White Sox fans, our coach is the Terry Bevington of Marquette basketball!

Yes, I sure am.  I think everyone knows where I stand with this coaching hire....I hope for the best, I know he busts his ass, great recruiter, etc....hopefully it all works out.  I haven't given up, but tonight was a stinker to be sure.  But I'll stick to my 20 win prediction where I was smacked around a few weeks ago for my pessimism.  I pray I'm wrong, but nothing through the first 6 games suggests that's the case. 

This loss sucks - no doubt about it.  But how we respond and learn from it is more important.  It could be the best (wake up call) or worst (confirms massive weaknesses that will be exposed all year long) thing for the team.  We should have our answer next week.

For F's sake... I come on here and the world is freaking ending.

Get a grip. We had a blinder tonight. It happens. It was gonna happen at some point. Especially with a short bench. I'd rather have it this weekend than next.

It was pretty clear they were gonna need a wakeup call defensively. The alarm went off tonight.

They can't go from a talented, veteran team to a bunch of guys who can't compete in D1 overnight.

Quote from: MUfan12 on November 29, 2008, 10:47:53 PM
For F's sake... I come on here and the world is freaking ending.

Get a grip. We had a blinder tonight. It happens. It was gonna happen at some point. Especially with a short bench. I'd rather have it this weekend than next.

It was pretty clear they were gonna need a wakeup call defensively. The alarm went off tonight.

They can't go from a talented, veteran team to a bunch of guys who can't compete in D1 overnight.

+1

hope you are right

Quote from: MUfan12 on November 29, 2008, 10:47:53 PM
For F's sake... I come on here and the world is freaking ending.

Get a grip. We had a blinder tonight. It happens. It was gonna happen at some point. Especially with a short bench. I'd rather have it this weekend than next.

It was pretty clear they were gonna need a wakeup call defensively. The alarm went off tonight.

They can't go from a talented, veteran team to a bunch of guys who can't compete in D1 overnight.

Sounds like I have another on the  wagon that is not jumping off the cliff after the first loss!!  Hats off to you MUFan12!!!  Now we need to convince the rest to else realize this isn't the worst thing in the world?

I wonder if Cottingham's a little edgy tonight.

Quote from: robmufan on November 29, 2008, 09:37:10 PM
Can we all come back off the cliff... you realize that Dayton also beat us in 2003, that turned out fine. 

Look at last year when dayton beat Louisville, AT LOUISVILLE this early in the season, they turned out fine.

So lets all take a deep deep breath!

Only difference is that they are a really good team with a ton of position players.  We have 4 players on the team.  Not good when you have to start 5.

Quote from: robmufan on November 29, 2008, 11:44:54 PMSounds like I have another on the  wagon that is not jumping off the cliff after the first loss!!  Hats off to you MUFan12!!!  Now we need to convince the rest to else realize this isn't the worst thing in the world?

I'm in.  I was sitting courtside for the game and we just flat out didn't play well.  It happens.  We missed a bunch of 0-5 footers that most nights we'll make, we missed a ton of free throws outside of Wes which we won't make all of but we'll make more of, and we gave up a TON of offensive rebounds.  The last thing scares me a bit, but Fulce and Otule will definitely help the cause.  We were 1 shot away from the Sweet 16 last year and have basically the same team back, just a year older.  We'll be right there at the end of the season.  This will wake the team up, especially defensively/rebounding.

By the way, we just played 2 games in 2 days 2 men short and we play at an extremely high paced.  It's early in the season.  It's not out of the question that they just weren't well enough conditioned right now.  Again, by the end of the season, we'll be there.

Just a couple things I hope to see changed...I hope Buzz never goes with a 5 guard lineup again, they ate us alive and didn't even have any typical big men either.  Acker is just too small to play.  Cubillan should play more, love his defense and can stroke it, but never gets the chance.  Lazar also needs to have more offensive sets run for him.  I'd like to see Butler play more and be more aggressive, he seems like he'd be good but I can't tell because he's never in there.  Why does James wait until the game is out of reach to start penetrating?  He got to the hoop at will after we were down 16.  My rant's over, we'll be fine.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 29, 2008, 11:57:31 PM
I'm in.  I was sitting courtside for the game and we just flat out didn't play well.  It happens.  We missed a bunch of 0-5 footers that most nights we'll make, we missed a ton of free throws outside of Wes which we won't make all of but we'll make more of, and we gave up a TON of offensive rebounds.  The last thing scares me a bit, but Fulce and Otule will definitely help the cause.  We were 1 shot away from the Sweet 16 last year and have basically the same team back, just a year older.  We'll be right there at the end of the season.  This will wake the team up, especially defensively/rebounding.

By the way, we just played 2 games in 2 days 2 men short and we play at an extremely high paced.  It's early in the season.  It's not out of the question that they just weren't well enough conditioned right now.  Again, by the end of the season, we'll be there.

Just a couple things I hope to see changed...I hope Buzz never goes with a 5 guard lineup again, they ate us alive and didn't even have any typical big men either.  Acker is just too small to play.  Cubillan should play more, love his defense and can stroke it, but never gets the chance.  Lazar also needs to have more offensive sets run for him.  I'd like to see Butler play more and be more aggressive, he seems like he'd be good but I can't tell because he's never in there.  Why does James wait until the game is out of reach to start penetrating?  He got to the hoop at will after we were down 16.  My rant's over, we'll be fine.

Barro is no great player but at least he was a competent 5 that could contribute.  From the sound of it (didn't watch), we are missing that alot.

Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 30, 2008, 12:02:11 AMBarro is no great player but at least he was a competent 5 that could contribute.  From the sound of it (didn't watch), we are missing that alot.

I would agree with this, but I think once Fulce and Otule are healthy, those two and Butler, if he gets comfortable with the team, will make up for what we lost in Barro.

The lack of a big wasn't a huge factor IMO, the inability to stop their dribble penetration was the most troubling, and probably contributed most to the loss. UD made a lot happen off the bounce.

Quote from: MUfan12 on November 30, 2008, 12:14:46 AM
The lack of a big wasn't a huge factor IMO, the inability to stop their dribble penetration was the most troubling, and probably contributed most to the loss. UD made a lot happen off the bounce.

It's alot easier to stop dribble penetration when you have a big shot blocker in the middle.

Ugh...cannot wait for Fulce and Otule to be back.

Just think of the second team MU will throw out on the floor at this stage of the season:

Acker
Cubillan
Butler
Hazel
Frozena!!!

HOLY CRAP! No wonder we can get very little production from our bench!

But if you need a pass to someone wide open on the wing...closest to if not on the bench, at least Frozena will find them, HAHAHA  ;D

I told you Friday night Robmufan if you didn't go to the game Saturday and they lost it was on you.

It's on you!

Why are there posts involving Tyshawn Taylor right now on this board?  Would he have helped in any way last night!?  We recruited him, he didn't come here, just forget it already.  Why don't we run a thread of how badly we missed out on Alando Tucker!

Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 30, 2008, 07:01:38 AM
I told you Friday night Robmufan if you didn't go to the game Saturday and they lost it was on you.

It's on you!

if i can end my cubs losing streak, im sure I can end this one!

So there is no way in hell that Buzz would sit one of the big 3 for TT even for the good of the team.  Does that mean playing time is not earned but based on seniority?  Coach K has put the " great" Paulus on the bench for Nolan Smith because Smith is better for the team.  Guess coach K didn't get the message that seniority determines playing time.

I agree about Cubillan. He needs to be playing more so he finds his stroke. We need that pure shooter to rely on.

Quote from: gldeagle on November 30, 2008, 02:16:40 AM
It's alot easier to stop dribble penetration when you have a big shot blocker in the middle.

Having a shot blocker has NO IMPACT on an individual's ability to keep his man in front of him defensively. Yes, it's nice to have that cover, but these guys are quick and athletic enough to play better on ball defense.

Which of the three seniors would TT be starting over? No coach would ever bench any of the three guys who have done as much as these guys have. Call it seniority or whatever. Rank has its privileges, and the seniors would have started. Period.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 29, 2008, 11:57:31 PM
By the way, we just played 2 games in 2 days 2 men short and we play at an extremely high paced.  It's early in the season.  It's not out of the question that they just weren't well enough conditioned right now.  Again, by the end of the season, we'll be there.

This.

We actually had 3 games in 5 days.  Pretty tough to run as much as we do at 100%.  Add in the fact that we may have been cocky.  I think the jump shots start hitting the front of the rim because their legs were tired.

Buzz and the team needs to learn to fight through it and gut out the win, obviously this is a reminder that as good as we are (or think we are), we still have to play the games.

ecompt---TT would, by the middle of the BE schedule, replace DJ as a starter or be playing starter min.