Boycott the Marquette at DePaul game in Rosemont, please! DePaul has designated this game (along with the N.D. game in Rosemont) a "premium" game and has jacked up all the tickets to $40 each! It's one blanket price. You can't get into the arena for less than $40 -- even if you're up in the rafters. BOYCOTT! I am. I have gone every year for many many seasons, but not this time, not for $40!
Winning is a choice, a choice that DePaul athletics has not yet made. This is not good business, this is a short-cut solution that they read about in the Sports Business Journal from the Cubs. Has a original thought ever come out of Lincoln Park?
I will look forward to getting in for $20 on the day of. They won't let seats go unsold, prices will come down. You don't go from have near floor seats available in 2007 to having $40 tix sold out in 2009, doesn't happen.
Some (Digger) have described DePaul as a sleeping giant...well maybe that sleep is the byproduct of a case of Old Style and 10 Lunestras...or maybe they're like Andre the Giant, dead.
Everybody now together---Take It To The Streets
Don't they realize the economy sucks?
I agree that this is a bush league plan by DePaul.
However, it's a pricing structure that might end up getting used by a lot of schools.
Hell, people on this board complain that they pay $25 for Savannah St.
Well, an easy way to balance that out is to make the Savannah St. game only $15 and try to sell it out (due to the good price) and mark up the UW and Georgetown tickets for $40. (Not saying that it will work, just saying it's an idea)
Supply and demand. High supply of crappy game tickets = low price. Low supply of good game tickets = high price.
Not saying it's right... just saying it might become the "norm" in the coming years.
The thing is, this will probably detract more DePaul fans than MU fans from attending. I'd expect the proportion of MU fans to be even more than usual from the price increase; the willingness to pay comes with wanting to see a good team play, and DePaul fans won't want to pay more.
Quote from: chapman on October 31, 2008, 02:02:45 PM
The thing is, this will probably detract more DePaul fans than MU fans from attending. I'd expect the proportion of MU fans to be even more than usual from the price increase; the willingness to pay comes with wanting to see a good team play, and DePaul fans won't want to pay more.
+1
I would like to meet the genius who came up with this idea ... $40 a ticket, no matter the location, unbelievable. I understand teams having a preferred game ticket rate, but that's not what DePaul is doing here.
Dust off the wallet and lay down the 40, its worth it...it seems to be the new trend in both professional and collegiate sports. Not sure if you are a depaul fan, but the reason they do it is because the stadium fills with out of towners.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on October 31, 2008, 01:54:04 PM
Winning is a choice, a choice that DePaul athletics has not yet made. This is not good business, this is a short-cut solution that they read about in the Sports Business Journal from the Cubs. Has a original thought ever come out of Lincoln Park?
I will look forward to getting in for $20 on the day of. They won't let seats go unsold, prices will come down. You don't go from have near floor seats available in 2007 to having $40 tix sold out in 2009, doesn't happen.
Some (Digger) have described DePaul as a sleeping giant...well maybe that sleep is the byproduct of a case of Old Style and 10 Lunestras...or maybe they're like Andre the Giant, dead.
+1 or less
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on October 31, 2008, 01:54:04 PM
Winning is a choice, a choice that DePaul athletics has not yet made. This is not good business, this is a short-cut solution that they read about in the Sports Business Journal from the Cubs. Has a original thought ever come out of Lincoln Park?
I will look forward to getting in for $20 on the day of. They won't let seats go unsold, prices will come down. You don't go from have near floor seats available in 2007 to having $40 tix sold out in 2009, doesn't happen.
Some (Digger) have described DePaul as a sleeping giant...well maybe that sleep is the byproduct of a case of Old Style and 10 Lunestras...or maybe they're like Andre the Giant, dead.
DePaul is definitely a sleeping giant. If they ever get some decent leadership and a coach/recruiter over there it could be scary. Great location for a college in the heart of one of the top talent pipelines in the country. I was very young at the time, but when they had Aguire I think they had a decent following in Chicago - can anyone confirm or talk about that? (I was like 7 years old). My dad took me to some of their games back then, but I don't think I've heard him speak of DePaul since.
Unfortunately they have no alumni support and we all know the fiasco that is Allstate Arena.
just to put things in perspective, the best tickets for a Yankees-Royals game at the new Yankee Stadium next year are $2,500 each.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on October 31, 2008, 02:31:49 PM
Dust off the wallet and lay down the 40, its worth it...it seems to be the new trend in both professional and collegiate sports. Not sure if you are a depaul fan, but the reason they do it is because the stadium fills with out of towners.
No, I'm not a DePaul fan. I'm a Chicagoan who went to Marquette, and who has been attending the Rosemont MU-DP game since the '80s. I'm not rich, not going to suddenly double what I normally pay to see MU play in Rosemont. I don't want to encourage DePaul with their extortion and pay that ridiculously high price. With all due respect, in regard to the DePaul-Marquette game, the stadium doesn't fill up with out-of-towners, it fills up with people like me and my friends who normally attend this game: Chicagoans who went to Marquette, and their families. There are 14,000-plus MU alums living in the Chicago area, more than N.D. alums living in the Chicago area, by the way (yes, I've checked the figures with the respective alumni offices). Sure, there are a good number who come down from Milwaukee, but there are boatloads of MU fans who live in Chicago.
I've never been to a MU game at DePaul, but I have heard that equal numbers, if not higher numbers, of MU fans attend the games.
If that is the case, then why not charge $40. If you are getting mainly opposing team fans, might as well hike up the price and make an extra penny or two.
Quote from: chuck on October 31, 2008, 03:02:14 PM
No, I'm not a DePaul fan. I'm a Chicagoan who went to Marquette, and who has been attending the Rosemont MU-DP game since the '80s. I'm not rich, not going to suddenly double what I normally pay to see MU play in Rosemont. I don't want to encourage DePaul with their extortion and pay that ridiculously high price. With all due respect, in regard to the DePaul-Marquette game, the stadium doesn't fill up with out-of-towners, it fills up with people like me and my friends who normally attend this game: Chicagoans who went to Marquette, and their families. There are 14,000-plus MU alums living in the Chicago area, more than N.D. alums living in the Chicago area, by the way (yes, I've checked the figures with the respective alumni offices). Sure, there are a good number who come down from Milwaukee, but there are boatloads of MU fans who live in Chicago.
Right...which means that if you choose not to go, there are hundreds of people waiting. DePaul knows that.
Quote from: Tmreddevil on October 31, 2008, 02:34:04 PM
DePaul is definitely a sleeping giant. If they ever get some decent leadership and a coach/recruiter over there it could be scary. Great location for a college in the heart of one of the top talent pipelines in the country.
I don't know about that. The first thing they need to do is get a better place to play, closer to campus. Furthermore, they have a lot of commuter students which takes away from the passion of the entire atmosphere. I remember when Quinton Richardson decided to stay in Chicago and play there...there were talks of "revival" and "rebirth."
But then he went pro and they fired the coach. So life goes for DePaul.
Quote from: MUCam on October 31, 2008, 03:12:34 PM
I've never been to a MU game at DePaul, but I have heard that equal numbers, if not higher numbers, of MU fans attend the games.
If that is the case, then why not charge $40. If you are getting mainly opposing team fans, might as well hike up the price and make an extra penny or two.
I agree... it is a business move that effectively doubles the income for that game... and it is a break even if they only fill halfway. And my guess is that they will probably fill it at least halfway.
Boycott if you want, someone will buy the tickets... DP will make its money.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on October 31, 2008, 03:18:14 PM
Right...which means that if you choose not to go, there are hundreds of people waiting. DePaul knows that.
You're missing the point: If I, and the group of eight or 10 who usually attend with me, don't go, DePaul loses that money. The game won't sell out, so, no, there are not hundreds of people waiting. DePaul loses our money because we've decided it's too expensive. This is not the Cubs or Notre Dame football or the Chicago Bears, where there is a huge pool of hungry, ticket-less fans waiting for the opportunity to snag a ticket. Those teams can get away with jacking up the prices (to a degree), but DePaul cannot. There are not eight or 10 other fans who couldn't have gone before, and now, because we choose not to attend, now have that opportunity. That other "group" can go regardless of what my group does because, as I've said and is my point, the game never sells out. DePaul is not going to gain any new fans; they are only going to lose fans.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on October 31, 2008, 03:56:25 PM
I agree... it is a business move that effectively doubles the income for that game... and it is a break even if they only fill halfway. And my guess is that they will probably fill it at least halfway.
Boycott if you want, someone will buy the tickets... DP will make its money.
Please see my reply to "there are hundreds of people waiting."
I agree with you that DePaul will sell tickets to the game. My guess, however, is that they will not make as much money than if they had kept the previous pricing structure. I had a group of eight to 10 people ready to go, and then we saw the jacked-up ticket price and said "forget it." I argue DePaul won't get four or five people in our place. But of course, we'll know after the game when the attendance is reported.
Quote from: chuck on October 31, 2008, 03:59:26 PM
You're missing the point: If I, and the group of eight or 10 who usually attend with me, don't go, DePaul loses that money. The game won't sell out, so, no, there are not hundreds of people waiting. DePaul loses our money because we've decided it's too expensive. This is not the Cubs or Notre Dame football or the Chicago Bears, where there is a huge pool of hungry, ticket-less fans waiting for the opportunity to snag a ticket. Those teams can get away with jacking up the prices (to a degree), but DePaul cannot. There are not eight or 10 other fans who couldn't have gone before, and now, because we choose not to attend, now have that opportunity. That other "group" can go regardless of what my group does because, as I've said and is my point, the game never sells out. DePaul is not going to gain any new fans; they are only going to lose fans.
No, we get it. It's an extremely popular model in ticketing. It's not a boycott if you and 10 friends don't go. Are thousands of MU fans not gonna go to one of only 2 Big East games inside a 6 hour drive because of $15?
De Paul knows what it is doing. They will make more money on the game by doing this, and I think the crowd will have more MU fans than they have in years past. No offense, but if I am an MU alum in the Chicago area and used to dropping $40 per ticket, doubling that really isn't that big a deal if it is the one game I go to a year.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on October 31, 2008, 04:20:30 PM
De Paul knows what it is doing. They will make more money on the game by doing this, and I think the crowd will have more MU fans than they have in years past. No offense, but if I am an MU alum in the Chicago area and used to dropping $40 per ticket, doubling that really isn't that big a deal if it is the one game I go to a year.
My group (MU Chicagoans living near Rosemont) is the model (the target market) that DePaul is trying to exploit, and they've lost us. I haven't seen any posts here from anyone else saying that they're going to this game despite the doubling of ticket prices. Several of you have said people will go anyway. Well, my group is the audience DePaul is trying to lure, and we're telling DePaul to go shove it. Of course, we'll find out come Feb. 3.
I'm willing to bet that the game still draws very well. $40 is quite the increase, but not enough to keep that many people away.
If anything this will hurt the casual DePaul fan wanting to see a marquee matchup for the usual very affordable price. I don't think alienating the casual fanbase will help in the long run.
$40 to see MU in person? What a steal. Sh1t - for me it starts with a couple hundred for a plane ride, then another hundred for a hotel, another hundred (or more) for food and drink.
Oh yeah - and then a measly $40 to see the team play.
I understand - it's not "fair", but you've got it good. Trust me.
I also just went and looked as of now (530 on Friday Oct 31) you can get lower level seats, row J for 40 bucks... thats not bad at all
Quote from: chapman on October 31, 2008, 02:02:45 PM
The thing is, this will probably detract more DePaul fans than MU fans from attending. I'd expect the proportion of MU fans to be even more than usual from the price increase; the willingness to pay comes with wanting to see a good team play, and DePaul fans won't want to pay more.
I suspect both DePaul fans will still go to the game.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on October 31, 2008, 05:27:30 PM
$40 to see MU in person? What a steal. Sh1t - for me it starts with a couple hundred for a plane ride, then another hundred for a hotel, another hundred (or more) for food and drink.
Oh yeah - and then a measly $40 to see the team play.
I understand - it's not "fair", but you've got it good. Trust me.
It's not about the cost, it's about an inept organization over playing their hand. I'll pay triple to see Cub-Sox or Brewers-Cubs but this will blow up on them. They should treat their MU buyers like gods...wine us, dine us, show us how Big East basketball is available and affordable in Chicago. Make the MU game the best hand out, improve the game presentation, don't gouge us once, get us buying repeatedly. Offer 1/2 off any other game tiks. Get us and our wallets back in the building. Their approach is very short sighted and emblematic of a rudderless ship.
Damon -
We will have to see. I'd wager that DePaul will have more than 60% of the crowd they had last year. Even if they lose a few hundred, the increased ticket prices will off-set the decreased attendance numbers. It will be interesting to look at the attendance numbers.
Is it good long term? Probably not. But, again, if you aren't getting your own fans in the building, regardless of the price, you might as well try to gouge the visiting fans. What loyalty does DePaul have to MU fans? Wine you? Dine you? Are you crazy? What type of "inept organization" makes home games easy to attend for VISITING fans? That is plain nuts. You'll never grow your program by helping out the rival's fan base.
The fact is, the DePaul fan base is ridiculously lost. Since MU fans outnumber DePaul fans, make some money. If you lose some MU fans, then better for the team. I'd rather lose money than give another team a home court advantage on MY home court.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on October 31, 2008, 05:27:30 PM
$40 to see MU in person? What a steal. Sh1t - for me it starts with a couple hundred for a plane ride, then another hundred for a hotel, another hundred (or more) for food and drink.
Oh yeah - and then a measly $40 to see the team play.
I understand - it's not "fair", but you've got it good. Trust me.
I'm in the same boat.
But I hear you guys out...$40 for a game...WITH DEPAUL is pretty steep.
The guy who posted that it'll drop to $20 is right on. Just you wait...I'm sure the Trib will run a "2-fer" the closer it gets to the game.
But if not...it's still just $40 instead of a crazy amount.
Haven't commented .. but .. everyone in the lower bowl in the BC is forking over $30. More when you consider donations. If $30 is reasonable, $40 is pretty close, especially to two BE teams go at it, on what many would call a rivalry game.
Now, $40 for rafter seats .. that's a bit much.
But you know that UW fans are dropping $45 for a 5-pack end-zone seat to see UW vs. MU at the BC. (Oh, right, they get 4 other tickets!)
I will not bring my wife and four kids at $40 a pop. MU is a draw for MU fans and weaker DePaul fans. I live fairly close to the Allstate and DePaul has some season ticket packages I was thinking about. However, I don't want to go see a bad DePaul team play at the Allstate if I can sit in my family room and watch MU play anybody in the BE. I grew up going to DePaul games even though I was a MU fan with a buddy of mine and his dad. His dad got rid of his tickets and this is what he said when I approached him about a 5 or 6 game ticket plan.
"The schedule stinks and the team isn't any better.
DePaul hoops is kind of on the death bed.
I mean they have no arena...what's their fan base?
The students are "a sparse few" at the games.
I mean... DePaul hoops is kind of "yesterday's news".
Plus, it's tough to get up there from downtown.
Sorry, I have little to no interest".
I have 2 sisters that are MU alums and we would take our families together years ago. That was when the DePaul - Mu game was on Sat. and not in the middle of the week.
I posted this last week, but the MU Chicago alumni club is purchasing group tickets and will be selling them at a discounted rate (somewhere around $25 I anticipate). Group tickets for this game are only offered for the upper level (DePaul also won't sell upper level center), but we will have the first several rows in Sections 204 and 209. There will also be a pregame reception (probably an additional fee for that). Details to come on MUConnect.
Quote from: chuck on October 31, 2008, 04:33:49 PM
My group (MU Chicagoans living near Rosemont) is the model (the target market) that DePaul is trying to exploit, and they've lost us. I haven't seen any posts here from anyone else saying that they're going to this game despite the doubling of ticket prices. Several of you have said people will go anyway. Well, my group is the audience DePaul is trying to lure, and we're telling DePaul to go shove it. Of course, we'll find out come Feb. 3.
no, it is conveniently YOUR model.
Come on, I'm sure someone at DePaul ran the numbers. I bought 4 seats just like I do every year. Even if a few people boycott, considering they are getting an extra 100% markup on each ticket, they are still coming out ahead.
That said, I agree that $40 is a rip off, but goes to show that I'm willing to pay the price to see MU fans take over the hideous Allstate Arena.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 03, 2008, 11:19:39 AM
no, it is conveniently YOUR model.
I don't get what you're disputing. DePaul is jacking up the prices for the Marquette and Notre Dame contests ONLY. DePaul obviously is trying to exploit MU and ND fans in the Chicago area (as well as gouging their own fans who want to see the Blue Demons play long-term area rivals). So, yes, I and my friends are part of that model DePaul is trying to take advantage of. Too logical for you?
I used to be a regular at the Allstate MU/DePaul games, but kind of stopped enjoying them, I think mostly due to DePaul becoming less and less competitive. Jerry Wainwright is a stud, an awesome guy, but I thought it was a strange hire for their transition to the Big East. BUT... I have been blown away with what he has done recruiting-wise though, and really wish Chandler would have stayed, as they would have been extremely competitive this year, with a big 3 of Tucker, Koshwal and Chandler. They will still compete this year, but my dream is for DePaul and Cincy to get it all together and us old CUSA brethren can be top tier Big East teams year in, year out. Cincy is bringing in some quality recruits as well, but B.E. is a big pond. But, back to the original topic of this thread.... I'm not paying frickin $40 to watch a game in that dump.
DePaul-ND game had an attendance of 9881. They sold 7512 for their previous game against Alcorn St.. It looks like they had an extra 2300 in the seats vs. other home games. DePaul's cheapest ticket is $20 and that means they possibly pocketed an extra $46,000 by raising tickets to $40. However, they actually made less since some people bought higher priced tickets that didn't have a $20 premium.
The short sightedness of moves like this don't help your fan base. There is no reason a ND fan wouldn't go to a DePaul game against someone other than ND if they enjoy college bball. They are less likely to if they feel like DP just gouged them because they wear a shirt with a ND logo.
I sure like our $10 group ticket idea better than their economic model. I think they push away weak DP fans at the same time they gouge ND fans. Their thinking is obviously we pocket more cash and have a better chance of retaining home fan advantage.
The Las Vegas Classic attendance in Vegas was 1000 per game! That's much worse than the 4780 at the Chicago Invitational.
http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/downloads1/75481.HTM?SPSID=68827&SPID=7777&DB_OEM_ID=15600
DATE OPPONENT W/L SCORE ATTEND
------------ -------------------- --- ----- ------
11-17-08 ALBANY W 75-64 3502
11-22-08 at UIC W 67-63 5912
11-26-08 DETROIT W 71-62 7753
11-29-08 INDIANA STATE W 75-70 7782
12-03-08 at California L 67-77 9017
12-06-08 at Northwestern L 36-63 4053
12-10-08 MORGAN STATE L 75-79 7561
!12-13-08 vs #16/14 UCLA L 54-72 14163
&12-17-08 LIBERTY W 64-63 7532
&12-19-08 SOUTHERN W 83-46 7792
&12-22-08 vs Saint Louis W 65-61 1050
&12-23-08 vs Creighton L 75-83 1200
12-28-08 ALCORN STATE W 90-67 7512
*12-31-08 #7/10 NOTRE DAME L 82-92 9881
* = BIG EAST Conference game
! = Wooden Classic (Anaheim, Calif.)
& = Las Vegas Classic (Allstate Arena/Las Vegas, Nev.)
rankings = AP/Coaches
So... even if you use the promo code to buy 2 for 1 tickets we shouldn't go??
IDK, i think it's crummy but i see a lot more $$$ wasted on stupid[er] things all the time. If it weren't for the deal I wouldn't go, but hey that's life.
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on January 01, 2009, 08:33:18 AM
DATE OPPONENT W/L SCORE ATTEND
------------ -------------------- --- ----- ------
11-17-08 ALBANY W 75-64 3502
11-22-08 at UIC W 67-63 5912
11-26-08 DETROIT W 71-62 7753
11-29-08 INDIANA STATE W 75-70 7782
12-03-08 at California L 67-77 9017
12-06-08 at Northwestern L 36-63 4053
12-10-08 MORGAN STATE L 75-79 7561
!12-13-08 vs #16/14 UCLA L 54-72 14163
&12-17-08 LIBERTY W 64-63 7532
&12-19-08 SOUTHERN W 83-46 7792
&12-22-08 vs Saint Louis W 65-61 1050
&12-23-08 vs Creighton L 75-83 1200
12-28-08 ALCORN STATE W 90-67 7512
*12-31-08 #7/10 NOTRE DAME L 82-92 9881
* = BIG EAST Conference game
! = Wooden Classic (Anaheim, Calif.)
& = Las Vegas Classic (Allstate Arena/Las Vegas, Nev.)
rankings = AP/Coaches
Wow, they're awful. Can we kick them out of the conference or do teams like what is an easy win for most?
I don't get the venom. I understand the impression that DePaul is screwing MU fans living locally, but this goes on everywhere for NCAA football programs. I get M(ichigan)SU season tix every year and the OSU, UM & ND games are always $15-$25 more than every other game on the schedule. It's been this way for years now. I am actually shocked that college hoops programs have not been doing this for their rivalry/high profile games.
Quote from: brewpaul on January 02, 2009, 10:57:17 AM
I don't get the venom. I understand the impression that DePaul is screwing MU fans living locally, but this goes on everywhere for NCAA football programs. I get M(ichigan)SU season tix every year and the OSU, UM & ND games are always $15-$25 more than every other game on the schedule. It's been this way for years now. I am actually shocked that college hoops programs have not been doing this for their rivalry/high profile games.
Yeah, but we're talking $40 for DePaul. Much different than $15 for a HUGE rivarly game (UM).
I'm a Marquette alum from the Chicagoland area and I refuse to pay $1 to go to any event at the world's worst sports venue. I'd rather pay $50+/ticket to drive to Milwaukee, South Bend or pretty much anywhere else to see the Warriors play. Any event at that dump is a miserable experience.
Quote from: chuck on October 31, 2008, 04:33:49 PM
My group (MU Chicagoans living near Rosemont) is the model (the target market) that DePaul is trying to exploit, and they've lost us. I haven't seen any posts here from anyone else saying that they're going to this game despite the doubling of ticket prices. Several of you have said people will go anyway. Well, my group is the audience DePaul is trying to lure, and we're telling DePaul to go shove it. Of course, we'll find out come Feb. 3.
This MU Chicagoan living near Rosemont plans to go to the game. It's $20. Quit bitching.
Quote from: Tribby on January 02, 2009, 10:58:32 PM
This MU Chicagoan living near Rosemont plans to go to the game. It's $20. Quit bitching.
Right on.... c'mon, you have an MU degree - if you can't afford the ticket then I really feel sorry for you. I'm taking my son and a few of his friends so they can see a quality college program coming down to our backyards to whoop up on the local team. Pony up.