More trouble IU

[Afroman]

Coach em up, Tommy!

http://www.indystar.com/story/hoosier-insider/2014/11/03/tom-crean-troy-williams-stanford-robinson/18436467/

[Lennys Tap]

Maybe they can get Kelvin Sampson to come back and clean up this cesspool! Somebody email Fred Glass ASAP!

[4everwarriors]

T-Cubed's flush red face is not fron tannin', hey?

[77ncaachamps]

Seems like the BK alums are holding the "privilege" to play at IU at a higher level than Crean is.

4 games?

That's really sending a message especially when you don't mention if it's a regular season suspension or exhibition suspension.

The turkey for Thanksgiving is roasting early for the Big 10 opponents and anti-IU "fans": https://indiana.rivals.com/forum.asp?sid=&fid=726

[tower912]

I keep trying to keep my criticism of Crean limited to his coaching.   However, if a string of occurrences like these had happened at MU under buzz, I know one Crean devotee who would have lost his friggin' mind.   What is the tipping point for IU being able to show just cause for getting out of the buyout?

[mumagz84]

The natives are getting restless.  Doyel makes some valid points.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2014/11/03/doyel-crean-failing-these-hoosiers-on-and-off-court/18439637/

[jesmu84]

I keep trying to keep my criticism of Crean limited to his coaching.   However, if a string of occurrences like these had happened at MU under buzz, I know one "unbiased" college bball fanCrean devotee who would have lost his friggin' mind.   What is the tipping point for IU being able to show just cause for getting out of the buyout?

FTFY

[Avenue Commons]

If Crean doesn't make a deep tourney this season, he's gone.

[GoldenWarrior11]

I think the writing is on the wall for Tom Crean at Indiana.  His tenure peaked with Cody Zeller and Victor Oladipo during their Sweet 16 run a few seasons ago.  The odds of a coach at a blue blood program missing the tournament consecutive seasons AND experiencing off-court issues with players (including drug and DUI problems) are slim to none.

Crean will be coaching a new team in 2015.  Whatever his buyout is, you can guarantee that the IU boosters will not continue to stand pat in year 8 of mediocrity.  They will offer everything to go get Brad Stevens.

[River rat]

So 4 players cited for alcohol arrests and now more suspended for drugs in just the last 9 months!?  Talk about squirmy!!! I thought tommys greatest defender said that tommy was brought in to cleanup the drug and alcohol problems!!??
Dakich is deadon, the really bad thing is these are taking place the night before scrimmages or games.  College kids are college kids, but who goes out drinking the nightbefore games.  That is a serious issue!! 
Silence from chico as his heros tenure at his favorite team becomes more and more of a disaster.  Will commit another recruiting violation in a last attempt to salvage a disaster of a recruiting year?

[MU82]

Yet more wolves at the door:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/a-spate-of-off-the-court-woes-intensifies-the-pressure-on-indiana-s-tom-crean-021021199.html

[boyonthedock]

From the Yahoo aricle:

"Another 15-loss nightmare isn't out of the realm of possibility either because the Hoosiers have little in the way of proven frontcourt talent."

I am absolutely ASTOUNDED to hear such a thing about a Crean team.

[Warrior of Law]

I wonder if Crean would ever return to MU if the circumstances permitted.  Unlike KO he didn't burn the house down on the way out...

[cheebs09]

I saw 2 MU players out late at Potowatomi the night before a conference game (not a Crean coached team). Both scored 20 points the next day. I think people are going a little over the top on the fact of drinking some the night before an event. I think it happens everywhere.

[Lennys Tap]

I wonder if Crean would ever return to MU if the circumstances permitted.  Unlike KO he didn't burn the house down on the way out...

He might want to but no.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I wonder if Crean would ever return to MU if the circumstances permitted.  Unlike KO he didn't burn the house down on the way out...

What's wrong with you?

[4everwarriors]

I wonder if Crean would ever return to MU if the circumstances permitted.  Unlike KO he didn't burn the house down on the way out...

You chittin' me? Ain't happenin'. If you got the virus once, lifetime immunity is guaranteed, aina?

[NavinRJohnson]

It's pretty simple really. If he wins some games and recruits some players, this stuff will not attach itself to a crean. If he doesn't, it will be used as a reason to say he's gotta go.

If they don't do well on the court this year, and/or sign up some 4/5 star guys, the drum beat will get very loud, buyout or no buyout.

[River rat]

Iu is currently oversigned by two players.  They are both 3 star recruits.  14 of tommy naismiths 30 freshman recruits have not made it past their second year yet his ardent supporter says jucos create too much turnover.   Chicos runs and hides.

[willie warrior]

Could it be that the Tanned One will be walkin' the plank? Arrrhhhhh...He and Jimbo Harbaugh will soon be at home baking cupcakes with Joanie.

[swoopem]

I think the writing is on the wall for Tom Crean at Indiana.  His tenure peaked with Cody Zeller and Victor Oladipo during their Sweet 16 run a few seasons ago.  The odds of a coach at a blue blood program missing the tournament consecutive seasons AND experiencing off-court issues with players (including drug and DUI problems) are slim to none.

Crean will be coaching a new team in 2015.  Whatever his buyout is, you can guarantee that the IU boosters will not continue to stand pat in year 8 of mediocrity.  They will offer everything to go get Brad Stevens.

You think so? He strikes me as a guy that would go to the studio to let things cool down and wait for another decent job to open up rather than jump at a mid-major or lower tier job.

[willie warrior]

You think so? He strikes me as a guy that would go to the studio to let things cool down and wait for another decent job to open up rather than jump at a mid-major or lower tier job.

You are right. The Tanned One will bide his time until El Buzzo gets shipped out of (is it Va. Tech, VCU, VMI? How soon we forget!)

[Lennys Tap]

You think so? He strikes me as a guy that would go to the studio to let things cool down and wait for another decent job to open up rather than jump at a mid-major or lower tier job.

From what I've seen and heard from him at luncheons, in interviews and at press conferences I don't know. Pretty big name, yes, but a walking cliche'.

[Spotcheck Billy]

You chittin' me? Ain't happenin'. If you got the virus once, lifetime immunity is guaranteed, aina?

unfortunately not always the case but in this case I hope so

[tower912]

From what I've seen and heard from him at luncheons, in interviews and at press conferences I don't know. Pretty big name, yes, but a walking cliche'.

He actually has a notebook full of over a thousand pithy comments, but when the lights go on he reverts to the same old clichés.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

You know whats funny about Crean? Literally none of the student body cares one iota about him. Hes has been a meaningless footnote for the past 6 years. Scoop is the only place where Crean is still mentioned in regards to MU.

[Lennys Tap]

You know whats funny about Crean? Literally none of the student body cares one iota about him. Hes has been a meaningless footnote for the past 6 years. Scoop is the only place where Crean is still mentioned in regards to MU.

Why does that strike you as funny? Students don't care about MU's basketball history, they care about their little slice of it. Today's students were between 2 and 6 when Crean arrived and between 11 and 15 when he left. As they get older some will develop an appreciation for MU's history. For now? Meh.

[River rat]

You think so? He strikes me as a guy that would go to the studio to let things cool down and wait for another decent job to open up rather than jump at a mid-major or lower tier job.

I think you over estimate the demand that might be out there.  His career numbers are not very good.  How many good programs are going to embrace what he has done at IU?  The boorish personality, the transitory roster, the drug and alcohol issues?, The lack of winning, the poorly prepared teams?

Ben howland couldnt get a gig at a big program, but crean would?  Creams star has been fading since wade declared to the NBA.  And he never even gave chicos the pleasure of a reach around.  Damn u tom crean

[River rat]

You know whats funny about Crean? Literally none of the student body cares one iota about him. Hes has been a meaningless footnote for the past 6 years. Scoop is the only place where Crean is still mentioned in regards to MU.

I can tell you at least one member of the student body that cares and is thanking his lucky stars he ran from that disaster....Luke Fischer.

[wadesworld]

With Chicos being so vocal that Tom Crean is "doing it the right way" by having players that go to class and stay out of trouble and that this is what the IU faithful want first and foremost, it will be interesting to see if he is just as vocal calling Tommy out for having underage players get behind the wheel of a car after having drank alcohol or having players arrested for DUIs.  We know if it were Bazz at Marquette he'd be making everyone aware of the fact that this is not acceptable...

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Why does that strike you as funny? Students don't care about MU's basketball history, they care about their little slice of it. Today's students were between 2 and 6 when Crean arrived and between 11 and 15 when he left. As they get older some will develop an appreciation for MU's history. For now? Meh.

Obviously we know about crean and how he got us into the Big East, a final 4 (with Wade) and left for indiana. There is no obsession though. He left 7 years ago, we are now on our second coach since then. When is it going to be time to finally let him go.

[swoopem]

With Chicos being so vocal that Tom Crean is "doing it the right way" by having players that go to class and stay out of trouble and that this is what the IU faithful want first and foremost, it will be interesting to see if he is just as vocal calling Tommy out for having underage players get behind the wheel of a car after having drank alcohol or having players arrested for DUIs.  We know if it were Bazz at Marquette he'd be making everyone aware of the fact that this is not acceptable...

Don't forget about drug use. Even if the players were only smoking weed, that's a serious drug according to Chicos.

Btw I'm not a Chicos hater...only a Crean hater

[River rat]

Obviously we know about crean and how he got us into the Big East, a final 4 (with Wade) and left for indiana. There is no obsession though. He left 7 years ago, we are now on our second coach since then. When is it going to be time to finally let him go.

Since you know...can u please explain to the rest of us how Crean got us into the Big East

[NersEllenson]

With Chicos being so vocal that Tom Crean is "doing it the right way" by having players that go to class and stay out of trouble and that this is what the IU faithful want first and foremost, it will be interesting to see if he is just as vocal calling Tommy out for having underage players get behind the wheel of a car after having drank alcohol or having players arrested for DUIs.  We know if it were Bazz at Marquette he'd be making everyone aware of the fact that this is not acceptable...

Yep.  This was always my beef with Chicos.  Tear down the current MU coach, through largely double standards, while taking up for the former head coach.

I appreciated what Crean accomplished while at MU, and won't dismiss his accomplishments here - yet when Chicos puts the guy on a pedestal next to Jesus, while basically putting Buzz a level above sleeze - that was insufferable.

Almost every coach in high major ball has some warts, is going to have a few players run afoul of the law...but to act as if one coach is so above all of that and immune to it..and has total control over it (as was implied by Chicos toward Buzz and the transgressions that occurred while Buzz was here), is just total hypocrisy.

It's no surprise Chicos hasn't had a lot to say in this thread - in fact nothing - and for that, I actually applaud him - versus his usual attempts to backpeddle from erroneous comments.  Additionally, I can respect Chicos for being a die hard loyalist to a guy he worked with for a few years, and being supportive of him - yet again, don't sh$t on the guy who replaced him...when your guy voluntarily left MU for IU.

[Jay Bee]

But but but.. look at I4's APR! lol

Crean should hire ZFB to run his Twitter

[ZiggysFryBoy]

But but but.. look at I4's APR! lol

Crean should hire ZFB to run his Twitter

If you really had I4's contract,  you'd see ZFB already has that job

[Lennys Tap]

Obviously we know about crean and how he got us into the Big East, a final 4 (with Wade) and left for indiana. There is no obsession though. He left 7 years ago, we are now on our second coach since then. When is it going to be time to finally let him go.

Most here were passionate Marquette basketball fans when TC was the coach. You were somewhere between preschool and high school and didn't give a spit. It's natural that you look at things differently.

[wadesworld]

If you really had I4's contract,  you'd see ZFB already has that job

HAHA!  That's a great response.

[wadesworld]

What's worse, making some extra phone calls to recruits or losing control of your program and having a lot of off the court incidences in a very short amount of time?  Chicos wouldn't have left Scoop if these things were happening at Marquette.  Suddenly he is gone now that it's happening to Tom Crean.

But hey, "This is how you win at Indiana!"  Hah.  What a nut.

Edit:  Haha, wow.  I read a quote in an article earlier where Crean says that the rules say one thing but he's suspending them longer, for 4 games.  Well, 2 of those 4 games are their exhibition games.  Well done, Tom.  You really are a Saint.

Tom Crean: "It's Indiana, It's Indiana."
Dan Dakich, former actual Indiana basketball player, ""Indiana basketball stands for nothing. Absolutely nothing."

[keefe]

Since you know...can u please explain to the rest of us how Crean got us into the Big East

Because John Dodds always says so...

[Lennys Tap]

Because John Dodds always says so...

Welcome home, Crash. Spot on as usual.

[keefe]

I saw 2 MU players out late at Potowatomi the night before a conference game (not a Crean coached team). Both scored 20 points the next day. I think people are going a little over the top on the fact of drinking some the night before an event. I think it happens everywhere.

12 hours Bottle to Throttle. Some pruned up Army General who not once ever slipped the surly bonds of earth came up with that chestnut. That proscription has banned pre-flight drinking since before WWII. I wonder how many good men threw down their wings in disgust not to mention all the panties that stayed up as a result.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Happy Veteran's Day Keefe.  Welcome back to Meiguo.

[Golden Avalanche]

What's worse, making some extra phone calls to recruits or losing control of your program and having a lot of off the court incidences in a very short amount of time?  Chicos wouldn't have left Scoop if these things were happening at Marquette.  Suddenly he is gone now that it's happening to Tom Crean.

But hey, "This is how you win at Indiana!"  Hah.  What a nut.

Edit:  Haha, wow.  I read a quote in an article earlier where Crean says that the rules say one thing but he's suspending them longer, for 4 games.  Well, 2 of those 4 games are their exhibition games.  Well done, Tom.  You really are a Saint.

Tom Crean: "It's Indiana, It's Indiana."
Dan Dakich, former actual Indiana basketball player, ""Indiana basketball stands for nothing. Absolutely nothing."

Think this is a slippery slope. Marquette's program through the last few coaches have had plenty of off the court incidents (some in a short time under one particular coach), however, the majority never made it to the public thanks to tight lips, pink slips, and money clips.

Indiana, and Crean, are simply the latest fad in faux media outrage. There are plenty of real renegade programs out there but we seem to find the most fault in the ones whose township police departments actually do their job rather than the ones who cover crap up.

[jesmu84]

Think this is a slippery slope. Marquette's program through the last few coaches have had plenty of off the court incidents (some in a short time under one particular coach), however, the majority never made it to the public thanks to tight lips, pink slips, and money clips.

Indiana, and Crean, are simply the latest fad in faux media outrage. There are plenty of real renegade programs out there but we seem to find the most fault in the ones whose township police actually do their job rather than the ones who cover crap up.

Looking at you, Tallahassee...

[Lennys Tap]

Indiana, and Crean, are simply the latest fad in faux media outrage. There are plenty of real renegade programs out there but we seem to find the most fault in the ones whose township police departments actually do their job rather than the ones who cover crap up.

While some would find 6 serious incidents in a 9 month period over the top squirmy I would tend to agree with the gist of this. That said, it's pretty hard for the local gendarmes to cover up crap when one of the guys ends up in the ICU.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

While some would find 6 serious incidents in a 9 month period over the top squirmy I would tend to agree with the gist of this. That said, it's pretty hard for the local gendarmes to cover up crap when one of the guys ends up in the ICU.

What has happened is that as these incidents have popped up, people have begun to recognize the "Indiana is back" theme that was pushed ad nauseum by Crean ("You ruined our program!") was nothing more than another bizarre sales pitch.

Say what you want about the state of the program when he got there. Sampson had them ranked in the top 5. Would you rather have issues with players and be highly ranked or have issues with players and go 17-15?

By the way, Sampson might have been a little smarmy, but he is exponentially a better coach than Crean.

[wadesworld]

What has happened is that as these incidents have popped up, people have begun to recognize the "Indiana is back" theme that was pushed ad nauseum by Crean ("You ruined our program!") was nothing more than another bizarre sales pitch.

Say what you want about the state of the program when he got there. Sampson had them ranked in the top 5. Would you rather have issues with players and be highly ranked or have issues with players and go 17-15?

By the way, Sampson might have been a little smarmy, but he is exponentially a better coach than Crean.

Nailed it on all accounts.

[Golden Avalanche]

What has happened is that as these incidents have popped up, people have begun to recognize the "Indiana is back" theme that was pushed ad nauseum by Crean ("You ruined our program!") was nothing more than another bizarre sales pitch.

Say what you want about the state of the program when he got there. Sampson had them ranked in the top 5. Would you rather have issues with players and be highly ranked or have issues with players and go 17-15?

By the way, Sampson might have been a little smarmy, but he is exponentially a better coach than Crean.

1. Wait, you mean a coach was trumpeting his own success? Shocked. Shocked there is gambling in this establishment.

2. Regarding state of program, no surprise that if you win then the "issues" you have with players doesn't matter. We saw that up close with our repeated "issues" with players the last six seasons.

3. It's weird how we're quick to consider the "incidents" of others to be of an utmost disgusting nature when we had an "incident" of truly horrendous nature in our own backyard that directly involved our coach at the time putting the squeeze to a 19 year-old child.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

1. Wait, you mean a coach was trumpeting his own success? Shocked. Shocked there is gambling in this establishment.

2. Regarding state of program, no surprise that if you win then the "issues" you have with players doesn't matter. We saw that up close with our repeated "issues" with players the last six seasons.

3. It's weird how we're quick to consider the "incidents" of others to be of an utmost disgusting nature when we had an "incident" of truly horrendous nature in our own backyard that directly involved our coach at the time putting the squeeze to a 19 year-old child.

A 19 year old child?

I suggest taking your post to the Indiana boards, which are shockingly familiar to these boards toward the end of Crean's tenure.

[Golden Avalanche]

A 19 year old child?

I suggest taking your post to the Indiana boards, which are shockingly familiar to these boards toward the end of Crean's tenure.

Cool response, bro. I'll do that.

[keefe]

You chittin' me? Ain't happenin'. If you got the virus once, lifetime immunity is guaranteed, aina?

Depends on what part of town you do your late night street prowlin'

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Cool response, bro. I'll do that.

Bro.

[Jay Bee]

It's EW!

[tower912]

Was IU playing drunk?

[Golden Avalanche]

Was IU playing drunk?

No shock they lost. Coming off a win against a nationally ranked team that many rate as having multiple NBA talents, the Hoosiers were likely due for a comedown to reality.

It's not as impressive as the Marquette achievement of losing against a nationally ranked team that many rate as having multiple NBA talents and then losing to a program that exists in NCAA limbo during their transition from Division II to Division I, but I suspect for both fanbases the shame remains the same.

[Ellisium]

No shock they lost. Coming off a win against a nationally ranked team that many rate as having multiple NBA talents, the Hoosiers were likely due for a comedown to reality.

It's not as impressive as the Marquette achievement of losing against a nationally ranked team that many rate as having multiple NBA talents and then losing to a program that exists in NCAA limbo during their transition from Division II to Division I, but I suspect for both fanbases the shame remains the same.

Most people on here would sugarcoat that and inflate them to full-fledged Division I legitimacy.  I commend you on your accurate description. 

[tower912]

No shock they lost. Coming off a win against a nationally ranked team that many rate as having multiple NBA talents, the Hoosiers were likely due for a comedown to reality.

It's not as impressive as the Marquette achievement of losing against a nationally ranked team that many rate as having multiple NBA talents and then losing to a program that exists in NCAA limbo during their transition from Division II to Division I, but I suspect for both fanbases the shame remains the same.

I know MU is bad.   I've been saying all year they would be.  Asking if IU was playing drunk after 1/2 the team has had some sort of alcohol-related issue over the past year is just fun. 

[MU82]

IU's loss got quite a mention on Pardon The Interruption today.

Kornheiser noted that Eastern Washington had been 0-20 all-time in arenas that seated 10,000+.

Wilbon responded: "Crean and the Hoosiers are having some issues, Tony, aren't they?"

[Golden Avalanche]

IU's loss got quite a mention on Pardon The Interruption today.

Kornheiser noted that Eastern Washington had been 0-20 all-time in arenas that seated 10,000+.

Wilbon responded: "Crean and the Hoosiers are having some issues, Tony, aren't they?"

Are they having issues? Two of their top five in minutes are Freshmen. A third is a Sophomore. And they've won three of four games, including against the best team they've played to this point. I could only hope Marquette would have those "issues" with our young players.

Also, don't watch that drivel. It makes people dumber.

[JWags85]

A Tom Crean coached team with unbalanced classes that is thus negatively impacting the team overall?

[MU82]

Are they having issues? Two of their top five in minutes are Freshmen. A third is a Sophomore. And they've won three of four games, including against the best team they've played to this point. I could only hope Marquette would have those "issues" with our young players.

Also, don't watch that drivel. It makes people dumber.

I watch hardly any shows like that but I know Mike personally, he is a great guy, and he and Tony have wonderful chemistry. They often are funny and usually decent insight.

As for your other point, who was comparing Indiana to Marquette? I wasn't.

Indiana has a veteran coach who already is seven years on the job there and has had all of his own recruits for several seasons now. Indiana is supposed to be one of the best jobs in college basketball, a place where it is almost impossible to fail.

Since you compared Indiana to Marquette, the latter has a new coach who inherited a nine-man squad with no height, no difference-makers, no rebounders and poor defenders.

It wouldn't be fair to Crean to compare Wojo's team to Crean's first Indiana team, because Crean's cupboard was completely bare while Wojo has a few players who have a chance to be good. But it's probably fair to compare Wojo's team to Crean's second and/or third teams, which went 10-21 and 12-20, respectively.

But, again, I wasn't comparing Indiana to anybody. Don't shoot the messenger.

[keefe]

I know Mike personally

Name dropper!

[MU82]

Name dropper!

Guilty.

What I should have said is he knows me personally!

[Golden Avalanche]

I watch hardly any shows like that but I know Mike personally, he is a great guy, and he and Tony have wonderful chemistry. They often are funny and usually decent insight.

As for your other point, who was comparing Indiana to Marquette? I wasn't.

Indiana has a veteran coach who already is seven years on the job there and has had all of his own recruits for several seasons now. Indiana is supposed to be one of the best jobs in college basketball, a place where it is almost impossible to fail.

Since you compared Indiana to Marquette, the latter has a new coach who inherited a nine-man squad with no height, no difference-makers, no rebounders and poor defenders.

It wouldn't be fair to Crean to compare Wojo's team to Crean's first Indiana team, because Crean's cupboard was completely bare while Wojo has a few players who have a chance to be good. But it's probably fair to compare Wojo's team to Crean's second and/or third teams, which went 10-21 and 12-20, respectively.

But, again, I wasn't comparing Indiana to anybody. Don't shoot the messenger.

Not sure you needed that many words to prove my point about the drivel that television program inspires.

[MU82]

Not sure you needed that many words to prove my point about the drivel that television program inspires.

Please tell me where I erred in that post.

[Golden Avalanche]

IU's loss got quite a mention on Pardon The Interruption today.

Kornheiser noted that Eastern Washington had been 0-20 all-time in arenas that seated 10,000+.

Wilbon responded: "Crean and the Hoosiers are having some issues, Tony, aren't they?"

As the wise Wilbon pointed out last week, the issues continue for Crean and his Hoosiers after last night's game against Pitt.

[77ncaachamps]

Anyone want to guess what Vegas's odds are on Crean AND Harbaugh both losing their head coaching gigs this year?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Jamie Dixon misses the BE and being able to recruit NYC. Will he last?

[MU82]

As the wise Wilbon pointed out last week, the issues continue for Crean and his Hoosiers after last night's game against Pitt.

Yep. A home win against a mediocre ACC team that lost to Hawaii and barely beat Samford.

You're right. They're loving Crean in Hoosierville!

[willie warrior]

As the wise Wilbon pointed out last week, the issues continue for Crean and his Hoosiers after last night's game against Pitt.

The only thing wise about PC Wilbon is that he is a wiseass.

[Golden Avalanche]

Yep. A home win against a mediocre ACC team that lost to Hawaii and barely beat Samford.

You're right. They're loving Crean in Hoosierville!

Don't be one of those drivel drones. Any fanbase likes to be 6-1.

You need not work so hard to pooh-pooh Indiana wins. Plenty of losses on the horizon.

[MU82]

Don't be one of those drivel drones. Any fanbase likes to be 6-1.

You need not work so hard to pooh-pooh Indiana wins. Plenty of losses on the horizon.

Stating facts is not hard work.

[Golden Avalanche]

Stating facts is not hard work.

For some in this country, it is.

You'll get your Indiana loss tomorrow night. And eat it up, I'm sure.