Crean or Izzo to IU?

[MUSF]

According to this guy both are potential hires for the Hoosiers, with Izzo in the top 3.

IU fans and Indy writers are truly delusional if they really think some of the people on this list would end up at IU.

Ridiculous.

http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2008/03/ok_lets_talk_co.html

[Detfan23]

Someone needs to put the crack pipe down.

[LastWarrior]

They forgot Coach K, Wooden, & Al.

[79Warrior]

According to this guy both are potential hires for the Hoosiers, with Izzo in the top 3.

IU fans and Indy writers are truly delusional if they really think some of the people on this list would end up at IU.

Ridiculous.

http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2008/03/ok_lets_talk_co.html

IU has offered both to be co-coaches, a Big 11 first! They should jump at the chance to move to Blomington!

[MarquetteFan94]

According to this guy both are potential hires for the Hoosiers, with Izzo in the top 3.

IU fans and Indy writers are truly delusional if they really think some of the people on this list would end up at IU.

Ridiculous.

http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2008/03/ok_lets_talk_co.html

Next thing you know they'll be tracking planes....i.e. their friends from Lexington....completely delusional.  Hilarious.  I hear Phil Jackson is the front runner.

[spiral97]

According to this guy both are potential hires for the Hoosiers, with Izzo in the top 3.

IU fans and Indy writers are truly delusional if they really think some of the people on this list would end up at IU.

Ridiculous.

http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2008/03/ok_lets_talk_co.html

Next thing you know they'll be tracking planes....i.e. their friends from Lexington....completely delusional.  Hilarious.  I hear Phil Jackson is the front runner.

I'm waiting for the hand-drawn map with all 20 crayon colors 

[Avenue Commons]

According to this guy both are potential hires for the Hoosiers, with Izzo in the top 3.

IU fans and Indy writers are truly delusional if they really think some of the people on this list would end up at IU.

Ridiculous.

http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2008/03/ok_lets_talk_co.html

I think the guy was pretty objective in admitting that few coaches would want to go to IU with the potential of recruiting sanctions. The writer also points out that most of these coaches would have little reason to leave their schools. As for Crean, I don't know why people keep thinking he'd go to MSU if Izzo left. At this point, MU's program is in better condition and he's been with MU longer than he was ever at MSU.

[tower912]

Izzo ain't going to IU.   For TC to go anywhere, the money is going to have to be huge and they are going to have to sell Joanie on uprooting her family.  While it is entirely possible that IU will come calling, I am deeply skeptical that TC is leaving any time soon.

[ATWizJr]

me too, but then, I never thought Favre would retire this year.

[MarquetteVol]

John Calipari -- Another guy who may have had a little baggage from UMass but a coach who I would think would be very interested in the IU job. Memphis is one thing but it's still a good school in a bad conference. Could he win a national championship at Memphis? Maybe. But Indiana is still Indiana. Again, the question here becomes whether this is a guy IU would really want to go after considering all of the current circumstances.

Yeah, he could win one in about a month. Is he kidding?

This guy is a tool.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Izzo ain't going to IU.   For TC to go anywhere, the money is going to have to be huge and they are going to have to sell Joanie on uprooting her family.  While it is entirely possible that IU will come calling, I am deeply skeptical that TC is leaving any time soon.

Where do people get off on this board claiming that "Joanie" (as if you know her) is somehow entrenched in Milwaukee and would stand in the way of a move? It's absurd and yet it's repeatedly cited as a reason for Crean to stay. Are you unaware of her family background as the daughter (and sister) of coaches? That's like being an Army brat.

God, that's annoying.

[🏀]

Izzo ain't going to IU.   For TC to go anywhere, the money is going to have to be huge and they are going to have to sell Joanie on uprooting her family.  While it is entirely possible that IU will come calling, I am deeply skeptical that TC is leaving any time soon.

Where do people get off on this board claiming that "Joanie" (as if you know her) is somehow entrenched in Milwaukee and would stand in the way of a move? It's absurd and yet it's repeatedly cited as a reason for Crean to stay. Are you unaware of her family background as the daughter (and sister) of coaches? That's like being an Army brat.

God, that's annoying.

Sounds like someone has a sweet spot for Joani...

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Izzo ain't going to IU.   For TC to go anywhere, the money is going to have to be huge and they are going to have to sell Joanie on uprooting her family.  While it is entirely possible that IU will come calling, I am deeply skeptical that TC is leaving any time soon.

Where do people get off on this board claiming that "Joanie" (as if you know her) is somehow entrenched in Milwaukee and would stand in the way of a move? It's absurd and yet it's repeatedly cited as a reason for Crean to stay. Are you unaware of her family background as the daughter (and sister) of coaches? That's like being an Army brat.

God, that's annoying.

You actually make an interesting point... but man, do you come across bitter. Seriously, I think your message is often times lost in your writing and general tone.


Allow me to translate for the rest of the board who doesn't speak "bitter old alumni who hates his school's head coach":

"While we can all speculate that a wife and kids wouldn't be thrilled to move her family after spending 9 years establishing themselves in a community, let's also remember that Joanie's family is the Harbough's, so there have been 2 or 3 generations of coaches/players moving around for their teams. I'm sure she is familiar with families relocating so that father/coach/player can take a new job.

Now, it's not an absolute that Mrs. Crean wouldn't be against moving, but given the history of the family, I think it's a safe bet to think that she understands the "life of a coach", and might not be as against relocation as some of you think."



Just sounds better, doesn't it?

[tower912]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   I am assuming she, like everyone else, has grown and matured, but retains certain personality traits from her youth.   I firmly believe she influences TC's decisions.   

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Izzo ain't going to IU.   For TC to go anywhere, the money is going to have to be huge and they are going to have to sell Joanie on uprooting her family.  While it is entirely possible that IU will come calling, I am deeply skeptical that TC is leaving any time soon.

Where do people get off on this board claiming that "Joanie" (as if you know her) is somehow entrenched in Milwaukee and would stand in the way of a move? It's absurd and yet it's repeatedly cited as a reason for Crean to stay. Are you unaware of her family background as the daughter (and sister) of coaches? That's like being an Army brat.

God, that's annoying.

You actually make an interesting point... but man, do you come across bitter. Seriously, I think your message is often times lost in your writing and general tone.


Allow me to translate for the rest of the board who doesn't speak "bitter old alumni who hates his school's head coach":

"While we can all speculate that a wife and kids wouldn't be thrilled to move her family after spending 9 years establishing themselves in a community, let's also remember that Joanie's family is the Harbough's, so there have been 2 or 3 generations of coaches/players moving around for their teams. I'm sure she is familiar with families relocating so that father/coach/player can take a new job.

Now, it's not an absolute that Mrs. Crean wouldn't be against moving, but given the history of the family, I think it's a safe bet to think that she understands the "life of a coach", and might not be as against relocation as some of you think."



Just sounds better, doesn't it?

A new standard for annoying posts has just been established.

Congratulations to you.

[tower912]

And for the record, I am a fan of hers.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   I am assuming she, like everyone else, has grown and matured, but retains certain personality traits from her youth.   I firmly believe she influences TC's decisions.   

I don't doubt that she does!! But she's not going to stand in the way if he wants the Indiana, or Kentucky, or Illinois, or Kansas, or Michigan State, or Michigan jobs!! Hell, with his brother in law out in Palo Alto, whose to say he wouldn't take a job out there? My point is that people speaking for our coach's wife are going beyond making assumptions.

Here's a newsflash for everybody on this board....Milwaukee is not Shangri-La.

[RawdogDX]

Izzo ain't going to IU.   For TC to go anywhere, the money is going to have to be huge and they are going to have to sell Joanie on uprooting her family.  While it is entirely possible that IU will come calling, I am deeply skeptical that TC is leaving any time soon.

Where do people get off on this board claiming that "Joanie" (as if you know her) is somehow entrenched in Milwaukee and would stand in the way of a move? It's absurd and yet it's repeatedly cited as a reason for Crean to stay. Are you unaware of her family background as the daughter (and sister) of coaches? That's like being an Army brat.

God, that's annoying.

You actually make an interesting point... but man, do you come across bitter. Seriously, I think your message is often times lost in your writing and general tone.


Allow me to translate for the rest of the board who doesn't speak "bitter old alumni who hates his school's head coach":

"While we can all speculate that a wife and kids wouldn't be thrilled to move her family after spending 9 years establishing themselves in a community, let's also remember that Joanie's family is the Harbough's, so there have been 2 or 3 generations of coaches/players moving around for their teams. I'm sure she is familiar with families relocating so that father/coach/player can take a new job.

Now, it's not an absolute that Mrs. Crean wouldn't be against moving, but given the history of the family, I think it's a safe bet to think that she understands the "life of a coach", and might not be as against relocation as some of you think."



Just sounds better, doesn't it?

A new standard for annoying posts has just been established.

Congratulations to you.

I thought it was a great post and 100% correct.  There are times people agree with what you are trying to say but your tone comes off as so negative that they can't.  You alienate your self from the issue.

[IlikecreansoIcantposthere]

"But she's not going to stand in the way if he wants the Indiana, or Kentucky, or Illinois, or Kansas, or Michigan State, or Michigan jobs!! "

Is this comment not just as much of an assumption as the comments saying she would get in the way?  Or is it fine because it came from you?

And just so you know...from 1982 to 2002 Jack made one job change.  20 years in two jobs and the last 14 at one is nothing like army familys and more stable then most people, I'd say.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Izzo ain't going to IU.   For TC to go anywhere, the money is going to have to be huge and they are going to have to sell Joanie on uprooting her family.  While it is entirely possible that IU will come calling, I am deeply skeptical that TC is leaving any time soon.

Where do people get off on this board claiming that "Joanie" (as if you know her) is somehow entrenched in Milwaukee and would stand in the way of a move? It's absurd and yet it's repeatedly cited as a reason for Crean to stay. Are you unaware of her family background as the daughter (and sister) of coaches? That's like being an Army brat.

God, that's annoying.

You actually make an interesting point... but man, do you come across bitter. Seriously, I think your message is often times lost in your writing and general tone.


Allow me to translate for the rest of the board who doesn't speak "bitter old alumni who hates his school's head coach":

"While we can all speculate that a wife and kids wouldn't be thrilled to move her family after spending 9 years establishing themselves in a community, let's also remember that Joanie's family is the Harbough's, so there have been 2 or 3 generations of coaches/players moving around for their teams. I'm sure she is familiar with families relocating so that father/coach/player can take a new job.

Now, it's not an absolute that Mrs. Crean wouldn't be against moving, but given the history of the family, I think it's a safe bet to think that she understands the "life of a coach", and might not be as against relocation as some of you think."



Just sounds better, doesn't it?

A new standard for annoying posts has just been established.

Congratulations to you.

Why? Because I'm right?

You can be factual, unbiased and have impact with your writing without sounding bitter, crass or negative.

[jmayer1]

God, that's annoying.

No, what is annoying is your constant bit<hing about Crean and the mascot.  If you found a way to to criticize in a more constructive way, maybe your message would be received much better.  Most times, you just come off as an old pri<k.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

Bitterness and hyperbole in the same sentence.

BRILLIANT!

You sir, are truly a literary artist. Bravo.

[BrewCity83]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

2002mualum, wanna take a crack at surarcoating that one?

[jmayer1]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

What are you doing to change it?

I don't like it either, but have realized there is nothing I can do to change it.  That does not mean I like the new mascot or have accepted it but the mascot is not going to stop me from being a fan of Marquette basketball.

Make sure you go down to the front of the student section next year and tell the kids that don't remember MU being the Warriors that they aren't true fans!!!!

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Are you guys really such simpletons that you don't understand that I was joking?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

2002mualum, wanna take a crack at surarcoating that one?

Hahaha...

Let me try to put it through the PRN Translator2000...


"While I respect the current students and recent alumni for their pride, I have to say that the current nickname is most unsatisfactory to older alumni. I also think that the process by which the nickname was decided was atrocious, and I have to question fans who have simply "accepted" or "learned to live with" the current nickname. The nickname was a mistake, and I don't think we (fans, alumni, etc.) should be forced to keep it."

How's that?

[jmayer1]

Are you guys really such simpletons that you don't understand that I was joking?

I guess I am and if you were it is my mistake and I apologize   

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Are you guys really such simpletons that you don't understand that I was joking?

That's the point, man. Seriously.

The VAST MAJORITY of your writing is so laced with bitterness and negativity that there is no way for anybody to know if you are trying to be sarcastic or making a joke.

[79Warrior]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

I totally agree with you on that. It is so obvious the fans have not bought into it when virtually nobody but the students wear gold. It has been soundly rejected.

[mu-rara]

And for the record, I am a fan of hers.

I too am a fan.

While I am sure Joani's preference may be to stay in MKE,  that is not the only factor.

I know KO and TC are friends.  Based on KO's interest in returning when TC took the job, I'd bet that KO told TC,

" look out man, the grass is not greener.  If you like it at MU, and they're paying you well (they are), and you control your destiny, be very careful about taking another job".

[4everwarriors]

"Show me the money, honey" and we're gone. That said, IU probably won't pay what it would take and won't give the head coach the power Crean now enjoys.

[Mayor McCheese]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   I am assuming she, like everyone else, has grown and matured, but retains certain personality traits from her youth.   I firmly believe she influences TC's decisions.   

I don't doubt that she does!! But she's not going to stand in the way if he wants the Indiana, or Kentucky, or Illinois, or Kansas, or Michigan State, or Michigan jobs!! Hell, with his brother in law out in Palo Alto, whose to say he wouldn't take a job out there? My point is that people speaking for our coach's wife are going beyond making assumptions.

Here's a newsflash for everybody on this board....Milwaukee is not Shangri-La.

Bloomington isn't Shangri-La either, nor is Champaign, or Ann Arbor... although Milwaukee isn't the greatest city in the nation, I will take it over those three.  Yes Indiana has a name in college basketball, however I think that name is going to fall quickly, real fast.  Why would you want that job if you are at an established school in the Big East, to go to a worse conference, at a worse situation.  Indiana is in trouble due to Kelvin Sampson, it has only just begun.

[🏀]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   I am assuming she, like everyone else, has grown and matured, but retains certain personality traits from her youth.   I firmly believe she influences TC's decisions.   

I don't doubt that she does!! But she's not going to stand in the way if he wants the Indiana, or Kentucky, or Illinois, or Kansas, or Michigan State, or Michigan jobs!! Hell, with his brother in law out in Palo Alto, whose to say he wouldn't take a job out there? My point is that people speaking for our coach's wife are going beyond making assumptions.

Here's a newsflash for everybody on this board....Milwaukee is not Shangri-La.

Bloomington isn't Shangri-La either, nor is Champaign, or Ann Arbor... although Milwaukee isn't the greatest city in the nation, I will take it over those three.  Yes Indiana has a name in college basketball, however I think that name is going to fall quickly, real fast.  Why would you want that job if you are at an established school in the Big East, to go to a worse conference, at a worse situation.  Indiana is in trouble due to Kelvin Sampson, it has only just begun.

Seriously? Beatiful Champaign and Ann Arbor over the cess pool that is Milwaukee? Yeah, right.

[MUshrooms]

Bravo 2002mualum.  I'm loving the translator, you should do it for every absurd post.

[MUSF]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

I totally agree with you on that. It is so obvious the fans have not bought into it when virtually nobody but the students wear gold. It has been soundly rejected.

It is also obvious by the attendance numbers and the state of MU basketball that none of you are really upset enough to stay away. Way to stick it to the University guys!

Seriously, we're all borderline losers for caring this much about sports, but to be that butt-hurt and boo-boo lipped over a nickname and a mascot screams get a life.

I appologize to everyone for even responding and throwing fuel on this adolescent brush fire, but what sports addicted loser doesn't like a good pissing contest every now and then?

[MARQKC]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

Bitterness and hyperbole in the same sentence.

BRILLIANT!

You sir, are truly a literary artist. Bravo.

How do you know PRN is a "sir?"

I figure if he can question your fanhood, we can question his manhood.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. Just kidding.

[DAtruth]

i live in indiana and iu fans are second to craziness only to kentucky..but ihave to say there are only a few coaches in the country who wouldnt take that call and listen to a proposal, 1 being bob knight..iu is spending some serious $$ to upgrade and build all new athletic facilities..when that happens..yes iu=basketball eden for a coach..i am an iu hater, have been since birth..and that will never change..but the iu campus has a rowdy basketball feel everyday of the year..and the h.s. basketball talent and level of coaching is extremly high..indiana is a fertile reruiting ground..the last thing to consider is the fans..passionate..crazed..sounds nice eh...wrong..iu fans are loyal to 1 man...bob knight and if ur not him ur the second best for the job in their eyes..and that will b there downfall

[MUSF]

i live in indiana and iu fans are second to craziness only to kentucky..but ihave to say there are only a few coaches in the country who wouldnt take that call and listen to a proposal, 1 being bob knight..iu is spending some serious $$ to upgrade and build all new athletic facilities..when that happens..yes iu=basketball eden for a coach..i am an iu hater, have been since birth..and that will never change..but the iu campus has a rowdy basketball feel everyday of the year..and the h.s. basketball talent and level of coaching is extremly high..indiana is a fertile reruiting ground..the last thing to consider is the fans..passionate..crazed..sounds nice eh...wrong..iu fans are loyal to 1 man...bob knight and if ur not him ur the second best for the job in their eyes..and that will b there downfall

There is no doubt that IU is a great job. However, college basketball is not what it was 20 years ago. You can be successful at a lot of places now that maybe 20 years ago could never compete with a program like IU. The whole "football school" is vastly over-rated and many schools around the country are starting to realize that it doesn't take much, relatively speaking, to establish a good bball program. IU is going to have to bring a lot more than history to the table to lure coaches away from good programs with less tradition.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

i live in indiana and iu fans are second to craziness only to kentucky..but ihave to say there are only a few coaches in the country who wouldnt take that call and listen to a proposal, 1 being bob knight..iu is spending some serious $$ to upgrade and build all new athletic facilities..when that happens..yes iu=basketball eden for a coach..i am an iu hater, have been since birth..and that will never change..but the iu campus has a rowdy basketball feel everyday of the year..and the h.s. basketball talent and level of coaching is extremly high..indiana is a fertile reruiting ground..the last thing to consider is the fans..passionate..crazed..sounds nice eh...wrong..iu fans are loyal to 1 man...bob knight and if ur not him ur the second best for the job in their eyes..and that will b there downfall

There is no doubt that IU is a great job. However, college basketball is not what it was 20 years ago. You can be successful at a lot of places now that maybe 20 years ago could never compete with a program like IU. The whole "football school" is vastly over-rated and many schools around the country are starting to realize that it doesn't take much, relatively speaking, to establish a good bball program. IU is going to have to bring a lot more than history to the table to lure coaches away from good programs with less tradition.

I concur.

Also, I think the UK and IU job are strikingly similar.

Awesome tradition, smart (albeit somewhat crazy) fans, rich donors, great recruiting base and HIGH expectations.

Both are certainly awesome positions, but I'm not sure they are the "be all/end all" that some people claim. With modern day television contracts and the internet, it's possible for mid-sized programs (in big conferences) to develop and become major players.

In the past, television was limited to a small handful on channels... now college hoops is on all sorts of channels... which means teams can recruit and claim to be on TV enough for a recruit to receive exposure and for his family to see him play. Internet coverage also expands the depth so that more than the top 10 programs get the glory.

The world is shrinking, and the college hoops landscape is leveling.

The elite jobs are still probably elite... but I don't think it's a slam dunk like people are claiming. The second tier of top programs are almost as attractive because University, fan and alumni expectations are usually much more reasonable... which can make it a better job and better quality of life.

Is getting paid a million at IU or getting paid 1million at MU a better gig? Nobody knows for sure (all conjecture), but I think it might be closer than we would traditionally think.

[MUSF]

You are dead on 2002.  I would go even further. I don't think recruits care much about tradition and fan base any more. They want to play, be on TV, go to the NBA, and win.  You can do all of that at Memphis now as much as you could at IU and Kentucky. Players have figured this out and coaches are starting to figure it out.

I know that there are traditional powerhouses out there that are still dominant programs. It just seems that fans at IU and Kentucky have fallen in love with their past and think it will ensure future success. Today's coaches and players aren't going to commit to a school because it was great 20 years ago.

[BrewCity83]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

[OneMadWarrior]

For one thing this post is ridiculous. For another even if Izzo left for IU Crean wouldn't go wasn't it established last year, that they don't like and will not schedule each other because they are so close. So doesn't that rule Crean out of any Big 11 job unless Izzo were to switch to another conference and school. I am just throwing it out there. Pundits like this just like to throw out names to get people talking. Most people will be unwillign to go anywehre that may have sanctions and high expectations. Look at Alabama football. It was only recently that they were finally able to bring in a big name coach.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

Are you serious with that second point? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this board.

"We have black people in Milwaukee!!! Come and see for yourself!!"

Are you speaking from the experience of growing up in an urban environment?

We all want MU to succeed, but they have no advantages, recruiting-wise, over Kentucky or Indiana. We struggle enough recruiting against Wisconsin for chrissakes!

[DegenerateDish]

UW-Madison has a huge urban environment. Just ask them.

[MUSF]

"Look at Alabama football. It was only recently that they were finally able to bring in a big name coach."

And only after, what, 8 million a year?!
 
 

[OneMadWarrior]

"Look at Alabama football. It was only recently that they were finally able to bring in a big name coach."

And only after, what, 8 million a year?!
 
 

Exactly. Indiana may end up such a mess it takes years to recover. its not that desirable a job.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

Are you serious with that second point? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this board.

"We have black people in Milwaukee!!! Come and see for yourself!!"

Are you speaking from the experience of growing up in an urban environment?

We all want MU to succeed, but they have no advantages, recruiting-wise, over Kentucky or Indiana. We struggle enough recruiting against Wisconsin for chrissakes!

PRNTranslator2000 (patent pending):

"While I agree that MU is an urban environment that may be attractive to some prospective students and players, let's be honest and say that it's probably not a major factor in a recruit's decision. If it was, MU would be able to out-recruit most of the Big 10 very easily... which MU really hasn't been able to do.  UW still pulls their share of "urban" players to play in a slow, methodical system."


This message brought you to you by the PRNTranslator2000: "Turning bitter hyperbole into reasonable statements since March 6, 2008"

[RawdogDX]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

Are you serious with that second point? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this board.

"We have black people in Milwaukee!!! Come and see for yourself!!"

Are you speaking from the experience of growing up in an urban environment?

We all want MU to succeed, but they have no advantages, recruiting-wise, over Kentucky or Indiana. We struggle enough recruiting against Wisconsin for chrissakes!

I'll speak with experience of growing up in an urban enviroment.  Yes it makes a difference.  Black kids who grew up in an uban setting know that they can find a black barber shop(trust me this is important), radio stations they like, stores which have them as a target market, as well as movie theaters and malls where they don't stand out.  But EVEN if they were white or mexican urban kids. Some kids don't want to go out to the boonies.  A lot of them feel more at home in a city setting with tall buildings, alleys, noise, and street lights.

[lurch91]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   I am assuming she, like everyone else, has grown and matured, but retains certain personality traits from her youth.   I firmly believe she influences TC's decisions.   

I can only think of a handful of people that went to Hackett in little old Kalamazoo MI AND Marquette, and I do believe you are right that she "influences TC's decisions.

*Digs out his yearbook*

Anyone want to see Joani in her Volleyball bun-huggers?

For that matter anyone want to see tower912 in their bun-huggers??

[BrewCity83]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   

*Digs out his yearbook*
Anyone want to see Joani in her Volleyball bun-huggers?

Let me be the first to answer in the affirmative.

[Pago Warrior]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

Are you serious with that second point? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this board.

"We have black people in Milwaukee!!! Come and see for yourself!!"

Are you speaking from the experience of growing up in an urban environment?

We all want MU to succeed, but they have no advantages, recruiting-wise, over Kentucky or Indiana. We struggle enough recruiting against Wisconsin for chrissakes!

If that's "one of the most ridiculous things" you've ever read on this board, you must not be reading many of your posts

While at times your message is valid, as the PRN Translator2000 shows, your delivery at times is downright shocking that it renders your post absurd.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I was completely unaware that there are some many daisies on this board. Your delicate natures suggest that you're in need of a collective hormone injection.

[tower912]

Nobody wants to see me in my bun-huggers, Lurch, or you in your hockey uniform, and be nice or I will have my sister dredge up her dating stories about you.
   Back on point.   PRN, we all realize it is your fantasy for TC to leave and take any job that gets him out of MU and you would singlehandedly go on another team's board and start the rumor out of nothing if you thought it would help.    We get it.     And it is possible that TC leaves.   Joanie's opinion is just one of innumerable reasons that makes me think he won't.   
1.   The control he has over the program and the athletic department he is unlikely to get anywhere else.
2.   A publicly stated reluctance to go against his friend and mentor Izzo on a regular basis.   
3.   Money.   He has already turned down $2 million + from Arkansas.   How many programs are going to pony up that kind of gold (what a cool name for a mascot.   Why has no one ever considered it?) for a coach that you think is vastly overrated.
4.   Father-in-law in athletic department.   Will some other school take them as a package?
5.   He already has a top tier team in one of the top conferences in America.  How many jobs are actually more prestigious?
I could be full of hooey.   I have been wrong before.   

[mu03eng]

Me thinks PRN while does hold all the opinions he does, overplays the hyperbole because he enjoys getting a rise out of people on a message board.  He is what in the wrestling biz they call a heel.....he's all about pissing people off.  Otherwise, why would he ruin his perfectly valid points and opinions with tremendous amounts of hyperbole?

[Pago Warrior]

I was completely unaware that there are some many daisies on this board. Your delicate natures suggest that you're in need of a collective hormone injection.

Nice!!!  So predictably-childish its hardly comical.  Ease up on the HGH tough guy.
Listen, objectivity, passion, and straight-talk is one thing, irrational buffoonery coupled with excessive hyperbole is entirely another.

As for the "daisy" comment, we can settle that: you and me after school by the bike rack!!! *sigh* unbelievable

[mu-rara]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   

*Digs out his yearbook*
Anyone want to see Joani in her Volleyball bun-huggers?

Let me be the first to answer in the affirmative.

Me too.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I was completely unaware that there are some many daisies on this board. Your delicate natures suggest that you're in need of a collective hormone injection.

PRNTranslator2000:

"I'm sorry, I guess I was unaware of how some of you were interpreting my writing style. While I don't mean to offend anybody, I may suggest that some of the posters here could be in need of some chemically enhanced fortitude."

[numbers]

2002mualum - The PRN translator posts are the funniest thing I've read on this site.

[NavinRJohnson]

I was completely unaware that there are some many daisies on this board. Your delicate natures suggest that you're in need of a collective hormone injection.

Nice!!!  So predictably-childish its hardly comical. 

I dunno. I disagree with him a whole lot, but from a humor standpoint, PRN definitely has his moments.