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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on January 28, 2015, 10:57:44 PM
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Everything I see from "The Chief" Sandy Cohen I like. Dare I say I might be getting a man crush on him!
I like his attitude. He can hit the 3-point shot. I like his decision making (now remember he is still a freshman so adjust this statement accordingly).
After Ahmed Hill, he is looking like the second best player of the original recruiting class last year.
And if the biggest jump a player make is between his freshman and Sophomore year, I can't wait to see what next year brings.
I'm really glad he stayed with MU
Thoughts!
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Yes, I've loved his game from when I first saw him play at MU. And with his length is going to cause a lot of problems defensively for teams the next three years. He's a major piece to the rebuilding puzzle, and absolutely glad that he didn't get away following Buzz's departure. A multi-talented player for sure. Any school in America would love to have him.
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After Hill?
Sorry but Shayok and Cohen I would both prefer to Hill.
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Agree. Sandy is very talented. He plays very smooth and consistent. His potential is off the charts. He can shoot the three. He can drive to the basket. He steals the ball on defense. He can play multi positions. Thank God he is a true Warrior.
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In Hill, Shayok, and Cohen, Buzz had landed 3 talented wings. Pierce was going to back up Luke.
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If there is any place on a limited roster where we can "play for the future", it's letting Cohen roll as much as possible.
I like his attitude.
And if the biggest jump a player make is between his freshman and Sophomore year, I can't wait to see what next year brings.
Also impressed with his attitude and demeanor. Has a quiet confidence that you like to see in a freshman, and will probably become more of a leader when he's the veteran and there are 4+ freshmen on the team next year.
After Ahmed Hill Marial Shayok, he is looking like the second best player of the original recruiting class last year.
FIFY
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If there is any place on a limited roster where we can "play for the future", it's letting Cohen roll as much as possible.
I disagree. Not about letting Cohen roll, I agree with that, but I disagree that it is us playing for the future. He is one of the guys that makes us better NOW and playing him is playing for the present. Big East stats:
MPG: 18.4
PPG: 6.1
RPG: 1.4
APG: 1.0
FG%: 48.4
3P%: 42.1%
Those numbers are all at least on par with or an incremental increase over his season numbers with the exception of 3P%, which is still excellent. It's great to see a freshman increase his minutes and scoring as we get into the toughest part of the season, and adding the ability to drive has really improved his offensive game.
For someone with his length, I'd like to see him hit the glass harder, especially on the offensive end, but that should come as he adds strength. He seems to have a high basketball IQ and really understands the value of a possession.
He is the perfect example of how you earn minutes and trust from a coaching staff. Just doing all the right things.
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Watching Sandy grow game by game and seeing Steve get his confidence back are my two reasons for staying interested the rest of this year.
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Sandy just seems to "get it." He plays hard, he rarely tries to do too much, he's not afraid to fire from the perimeter, his minutes dipped but he kept plugging away and he's being rewarded for it. He really looks like he's going to be an excellent player for MU.
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He is a nice player but my expectations are that in two years he will still be a role player. He looks good on a poor squad and not sold him being a big time player just yet.
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He is a nice player but my expectations are that in two years he will still be a role player. He looks good on a poor squad and not sold him being a big time player just yet.
Agree Goose. He's a very good shooter but he has a low/slow release so he's only effective when wide open. And while a very good athlete he's not an explosive one. I'd project solid role player but not a star.
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Agree Goose. He's a very good shooter but he has a low/slow release so he's only effective when wide open. And while a very good athlete he's not an explosive one. I'd project solid role player but not a star.
Not sure what "star" means.
Sandy can shoot the 3(18 for 42 or 43%). His percentage is the essentially the same as Carlino (44%).
He will be our best shooter next year. He will start every game. He might be a starter again before this year is out.
Not and "explosive athlete? The state champion in the triple jump that turned down D1 scholarships in track is not "explosive"? Maybe what you see is a Freshman not ready to play all out because he more afraid to make mistakes. Maybe when he gains the confidence of a Sophomore or Junior this statement will look wrong.
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Sandy can shoot the 3(18 for 42 or 43%). His percentage is the essentially the same as Carlino (44%).
Everyone in America knows Carlino is going to shoot it and he still connects on 44%. Sandy often times gets to hang on the weak side and wait for the swing pass. They get two completely different looks, for the most part.
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Not sure what "star" means.
Sandy can shoot the 3(18 for 42 or 43%). His percentage is the essentially the same as Carlino (44%).
He will be our best shooter next year. He will start every game. He might be a starter again before this year is out.
Are you thinking at the #3 (stretch #4) essentially replacing Juan?
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Sandy's high end: A slightly worse Jimmy Butler
Sandy's low end: A slightly better Joe Chapman
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Sandy's high end: A slightly worse Jimmy Butler
Sandy's low end: A slightly better Joe Chapman
I was thinking Dan Fitzgerald on the lower end. I'm not sure if Sandy can get his body to the point that he can consistently maintain body control after contact like Jimmy could. That'll be interesting to see.
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Not and "explosive athlete? The state champion in the triple jump that turned down D1 scholarships in track is not "explosive"? Maybe what you see is a Freshman not ready to play all out because he more afraid to make mistakes. Maybe when he gains the confidence of a Sophomore or Junior this statement will look wrong.
Maybe. Sure hope so.
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Sandy's high end: A slightly worse Jimmy Butler
Sandy's low end: A slightly better Joe Chapman
Jimmy Butler wasn't Jimmy Butler at the same stage in his career.
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Jimmy Butler wasn't Jimmy Butler at the same stage in his career.
Jimmy could always defend and rebound though.
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Jimmy could always defend and rebound though.
Yes, but did you see him at his JUCO year?
Not disagreeing with you, just saying give Sandy another year before comparing him to JFB.
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All for playing sandy as much as possible. But where do the minutes come from?
Juan and Derrick? No chance, Seniors and Wojo will continue to play them.
At the 5: So what heve we gained there?No, Luke and Taylor are there.
The next logical choice would then be Duane. What are we gaining there?
I am not the coach, but the logical spot would be with Juan. Make it a 20/20 minute split
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He needs to bulk up a little. He's a scrawny Danny Green type right now.
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Yes, but did you see him at his JUCO year?
Not disagreeing with you, just saying give Sandy another year before comparing him to JFB.
Good lord, I wasn't really comparing them. I was saying that his *ceiling* is a "slightly worse Jimmy Butler."
I didn't say he was going to be JFB. I didn't even say he was going to turn out to be a "slightly worse Jimmy Butler."
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All for playing sandy as much as possible. But where do the minutes come from?
Juan and Derrick? No chance, Seniors and Wojo will continue to play them.
At the 5: So what heve we gained there?No, Luke and Taylor are there.
The next logical choice would then be Duane. What are we gaining there?
I am not the coach, but the logical spot would be with Juan. Make it a 20/20 minute split
I agree with this. Early on in the season I thought Sandy was going to start taking minutes away from Juan. Then Juan went beast mode and had a solid month or so. Now that he's crashing back to reality I truly think that becomes more of a split if Sandy continues to excel.
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Sandy is averaging 24 mpg in the last three contests. He's getting minutes, making the most of them, why is anyone saying "where will the minutes come from?" when they are already there? ?-(
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Good lord, I wasn't really comparing them. I was saying that his *ceiling* is a "slightly worse Jimmy Butler."
I didn't say he was going to be JFB. I didn't even say he was going to turn out to be a "slightly worse Jimmy Butler."
So you're predicting that Cohen will eventually be an NBA All-Star? Pump the breaks, Sultan! ;)
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All for playing sandy as much as possible. But where do the minutes come from?
Juan and Derrick? No chance, Seniors and Wojo will continue to play them.
At the 5: So what heve we gained there?No, Luke and Taylor are there.
The next logical choice would then be Duane. What are we gaining there?
I am not the coach, but the logical spot would be with Juan. Make it a 20/20 minute split
Actually both Derrick and Juan have gotten their minutes cut in the last three games. They started Big East Play around 35 mpg and in the last three Derrick is at 31 mpg and Juan is around 30. JjJ's minutes have also been cut. Sandy's getting about 25 mpg. If he continues to play well and Juan and continues to struggle, I'm sure that trend will continue.
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Sandy is averaging 24 mpg in the last three contests. He's getting minutes, making the most of them, why is anyone saying "where will the minutes come from?" when they are already there? ?-(
True. I think it will be interesting to see if he continues getting in the neighborhood of 20 minutes a game night in and night out.
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Sandy's high end: A slightly worse Jimmy Butler
Sandy's low end: A slightly better Joe Chapman
Sandy is much more talented than Joe was and Jimmy may have been the smartest player we have had here in a long, long time. I don't know what his "high end" is (for arguments sake I'll say Brian Wardle), but I think his "low end" is leaving Joe in the rear view mirror...and I consider Joe to have been criminally underrated.
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Good lord, I wasn't really comparing them. I was saying that his *ceiling* is a "slightly worse Jimmy Butler."
I didn't say he was going to be JFB. I didn't even say he was going to turn out to be a "slightly worse Jimmy Butler."
Hey, I like the kid. You could be right about Sandy's ceiling. Based on what we knew about JFB coming in you might be underestimating his upside. Sandy is having a solid freshman season against better competition. Who knows?