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[Galway Eagle]

Andrew Yang speaks the truth about the disconnect between Democrats and the working class. Worth watching the full clip, if you're interested.

"In there minds the Democratic party unfortunately has taken on this role of the coastal urban elites who are more concerned about policing various cultural issues than improving their way of life."

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1324517436469760007/pu/vid/1314x720/GcjgKXrd6QucRXMA.mp4?tag=10

This is fascinating to me. I mean at a certain point you have to be straight forward with small town America "look a lot of your jobs and way of life is dying out" but you still need their vote and they won't accept that small town America is disappearing message. How do you fix it?

[Hards Alumni]

IMHO, it's important for the national psyche that Biden win Georgia. Win a state whose election officials and governor are Republican, and win Nevada as expected to get to 275, and then Pennsylvania doesn't really "matter" in the outcome.

That wouldn't stop Trump from whining and litigating, but it would render his baseless claims meaningless.

As for the Senate races, I have trouble believing that Dems will get out the vote with Trump not on the ballot. That sucks, but I think history has shown that to be true.

Absolutely, I think Biden gets 306 when this is all said and done.

[shoothoops]

Excited to watch the numerous interviews of Black people today (especially Women) today in Philadelphia, Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, as well as Hispanic people in AZ, NV, about their interests and needs and wants for the future.

Insert your blue font here.

[MU82]

“Democracy is sometimes messy. It sometimes requires a little patience as well. But that patience has been rewarded now for more than 240 years with a system of governance that’s been the envy of the world.”

The definition of "presidential."

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Andrew Yang speaks the truth about the disconnect between Democrats and the working class. Worth watching the full clip, if you're interested.

"In there minds the Democratic party unfortunately has taken on this role of the coastal urban elites who are more concerned about policing various cultural issues than improving their way of life."

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1324517436469760007/pu/vid/1314x720/GcjgKXrd6QucRXMA.mp4?tag=10

Yes.  I have been saying this for the past four years.  I have family members who grew up in staunchly Democratic, union households, who voted Republican for the first time in their life four years ago - and repeated it earlier this week.

Writing those people off as stupid, racist or members of a cult, is demeaning and dumb. 

Who is that next Democrat that is going to inspire these people to move back to the Democrats?  It certainly won't be Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

[shoothoops]

Yes.  I have been saying this for the past four years.  I have family members who grew up in staunchly Democratic, union households, who voted Republican for the first time in their life four years ago - and repeated it earlier this week.

Writing those people off as stupid, racist or members of a cult, is demeaning and dumb. 

Who is that next Democrat that is going to inspire these people to move back to the Democrats?  It certainly won't be Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

Interesting, as some of the more progressive Dem candidates had more election success than some who were more moderate.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Only the Best People, part 7,432:

"Said one administration official: “When Bush had this issue [fighting over ballot counts] they tapped arguably the pre-eminent statesman of his generation, James Baker, to spearhead their legal and PR efforts, to great effect. … We rolled out Rudy Giuliani, Corey Lewandowski and Pam Bondi. You can draw your own conclusions.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/11/06/trumpworld-rages-behind-the-scenes/

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

This is fascinating to me. I mean at a certain point you have to be straight forward with small town America "look a lot of your jobs and way of life is dying out" but you still need their vote and they won't accept that small town America is disappearing message. How do you fix it?

It's not just small towns.  And telling a 60 some year old who set out on a certain path trying to make a living 40 years ago that "their way of life is dying out" is not a productive discussion.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Interesting because some of the more progressive Dem candidates had more election success than some who were more moderate.

I'm not sure they need to necessarily be moderate.  They need to be more relatable.  I think Biden is the type of candidate I am talking about, and would have been much stronger than Hillary was.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

IMHO, it's important for the national psyche that Biden win Georgia. Win a state whose election officials and governor are Republican, and win Nevada as expected to get to 275, and then Pennsylvania doesn't really "matter" in the outcome.

It's also important to have multiple paths to victory in case recounts or court challenges upend one of them.

[shoothoops]

I'm not sure they need to necessarily be moderate.  They need to be more relatable.  I think Biden is the type of candidate I am talking about, and would have been much stronger than Hillary was.

Biden and H Clinton are similar in beliefs, policies etc....Some people didn't like H Clinton because they are sexist and mysogonistic and believe women need to look a certain way, and contort themselves a certain way. Men do not have these same thresholds by a long shot. Reducing and eliminating this moving forward would be a good priority.

Electorates are complex and varied. Aggressively reaching out to all aspects of it instead of just some is a key to improvement. We have discussed Hispanic voters previously for example. That is a very diverse, varied group that requires micro attention. Etc .m

[shoothoops]

Stat of the day:

Biden is on track to win the popular vote by more than 7 million votes.

35 states have a population of less than 7 million.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Biden and H Clinton are similar in beliefs, policies etc....Some people didn't like H Clinton because they are sexist and Mysogonistic and believe women need to look a certain way, and contort themselves a certain way. Men do not have these same thresholds by a long shot. Reducing and eliminating this moving forward would a good priority.

Electorates are complex and varied. Aggressively reaching out to all aspects of it instead of just some is a key to improvement. We have discussed Hispanic voters previously for example. That is a very diverse, varied group that requires micro attention. Etc .m

You are definitely correct that sexism has a lot to do with this.

[Pakuni]

Who is that next Democrat that is going to inspire these people to move back to the Democrats?  It certainly won't be Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

Interestingly, some of the key the messages of Sanders and Warren in particular (financial reform,  health care) play quite well with the working class. They might not be the best mediums for those messages, but speaking only to the issues, they're not why the Democrats have been losing the working class.
It's the old guard led by Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Leahy, etc., that have done the real damage.
And, the other side has media partners that are very skilled at amplifying the "coastal elite" message, don't they?

[Hards Alumni]

This is fascinating to me. I mean at a certain point you have to be straight forward with small town America "look a lot of your jobs and way of life is dying out" but you still need their vote and they won't accept that small town America is disappearing message. How do you fix it?

Again, messaging.  Ask them why the Republicans keep promising them that manufacturing jobs are coming back?  And when those plants DO come back, what makes them believe that they won't be automated?

There has to be a way to convince rural voters that they're voting against their children's futures.  Stop identifying or creating a narrative of opposition and conflict.  Anger and fear fuel Republican voters.  They see the Democrats as the 'elites' and they're angry at them for looking down on the things they enjoy.  They're afraid of losing 'their way of life' when it died decades ago back in the 80s when China realized they had a country of poor people and a ton of natural resources they could exploit.   

I think a major problem that the Democratic party has is that they are constantly on the defensive.  Republicans paint them as baby killing, gun taking, socialists that want to take over their lives.  And instead treating those smears are legitimate they should laugh them off and not bother to address them.  Demonstrate that their policies will save rural America.  By and large, progressive policies are very popular to most Americans. 

Democrats used to be the party of the working class, and now the working class rejects them.  It's high time to bring them back, but for that to happen, messaging has to change.

[shoothoops]

You are definitely correct that sexism has a lot to do with this.

I am not naive. i realize outward appearing people skills doesn't hurt. So hire them. Apples to Oranges. Rick Majerus had Donny Daniels and Porter Moser, relationship people, etc...But really, many already have those things. They just don't get the chance out of fear.

But if you ask Bob Gates, former Defense Secretary, he would (and has) go on and on about how smart, prepared, effective, good H Clinton was when he worked with her, etc...

And H Clinton is just one example of women who had to put up with that stuff. Even now AOC has literally had many White Republican men in office sadly compliment her physical appearance while attacking her views. Or other women perceived to be less attractive are too this or that.

Some smart, capable, ambitious Women scare some sexist and mysogonistic White men. These types of men care about their $ and power. Out of fear they try to attack these women, a perceived smaller group,  hoping they have the numbers backing them to keep their power over them etc...

[forgetful]

What about the Supreme Court? The president asked to intervene in a case about a ballot count extension in Pennsylvania that state Republicans twice requested the justices review, unsuccessfully. Mr. Blackman believes that the top court probably won’t agree to hear the case now, either, unless the vote count is so close that a decision is critical to certifying Pennsylvania’s winner. “They don’t unnecessarily decide difficult constitutional questions,” he said. Mr. Epps said the justices “have to think about their legacy and reputation,” especially the newest member of the court, confirmed quickly ahead of the election. “If I were Amy Coney Barrett, I would not want my 40 years to start with this case,” he said.

What happens next? The lawsuits can be effective for Mr. Trump without succeeding or being valid, Mr. Epps added, simply by showing that he’s fighting, providing fund-raising motivation and cultivating a narrative of unfair treatment. This could serve him well should the votes ultimately go against him and he moves on to lead a media empire or act as a Republican kingmaker (or candidate) in 2024.[/i]

I thought the comment about Barrett, which I bolded, was especially interesting and rings true.

Although the bolded is a great point. I don't think it will be relevant. Right now Biden is trending to have more than enough votes on Election Day. No need to even count the contested votes in PA. So no legitimacy for a lawsuit.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

GA and PA today:

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Interestingly, some of the key the messages of Sanders and Warren in particular (financial reform,  health care) play quite well with the working class. They might not be the best mediums for those messages, but speaking only to the issues, they're not why the Democrats have been losing the working class.
It's the old guard led by Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Leahy, etc., that have done the real damage.
And, the other side has media partners that are very skilled at amplifying the "coastal elite" message, don't they?

I think we are saying the same thing.  That is why I don't think having liberal policies is the issue.  But being relatable and inspiring is.

[MU82]

Biden and H Clinton are similar in beliefs, policies etc....Some people didn't like H Clinton because they are sexist and mysogonistic and believe women need to look a certain way, and contort themselves a certain way. Men do not have these same thresholds by a long shot. Reducing and eliminating this moving forward would be a good priority.

I agree with your point ... but I did laugh as I tried to imagine these poor women having to contort themselves into certain shapes or positions to get elected.

Now, if they had to comport themselves a certain way, that's a different story!

[Hards Alumni]

Biden and H Clinton are similar in beliefs, policies etc....Some people didn't like H Clinton because they are sexist and mysogonistic and believe women need to look a certain way, and contort themselves a certain way. Men do not have these same thresholds by a long shot. Reducing and eliminating this moving forward would be a good priority.

Electorates are complex and varied. Aggressively reaching out to all aspects of it instead of just some is a key to improvement. We have discussed Hispanic voters previously for example. That is a very diverse, varied group that requires micro attention. Etc .m

Hilary Clinton is the exact person who is smart enough to lead this country really effectively, but not be able to have any self awareness to realize why people don't care for her.  She has always seemed to be a person who isn't comfortable enough with who they are to actually be themselves.  She had a carefully calculateda personality, temperament, and platform that made her entirely unrelatable to the average person.  I'd be willing to bet that the people who actually know her as a person love her, but she never let that charisma shine through to the general public.

I give her a ton of credit for being able to deal with so much misogyny her entire life.  But she just isn't terribly likeable.  She is absolutely one of the smartest people in government, and probably the most brilliant woman to ever be in office.  But she is nowhere as genuine as someone like Michelle Obama, Stacey Abrams, or Tammy Duckworth.

[brewcity77]

I think we are saying the same thing.  That is why I don't think having liberal policies is the issue.  But being relatable and inspiring is.

Like Hards said, it's the messaging. In the past two years, Florida has passed felon enfranchisement and $15/hour minimum wage in ballot measures while also electing politicians like De Santis, Scott, & Trump that will (and have) deliberately worked to undermine those measures.

Even right wing voters want left wing policies.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This is fascinating to me. I mean at a certain point you have to be straight forward with small town America "look a lot of your jobs and way of life is dying out" but you still need their vote and they won't accept that small town America is disappearing message. How do you fix it?

You invest in the future of these communities.  There are severe structural problems in the country and everyone is refighting the culture wars from 50 years ago. 

[Uncle Rico]

Andrew Yang speaks the truth about the disconnect between Democrats and the working class. Worth watching the full clip, if you're interested.

"In there minds the Democratic party unfortunately has taken on this role of the coastal urban elites who are more concerned about policing various cultural issues than improving their way of life."

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1324517436469760007/pu/vid/1314x720/GcjgKXrd6QucRXMA.mp4?tag=10

That’s my guy

[forgetful]

You invest in the future of these communities.  There are severe structural problems in the country and everyone is refighting the culture wars from 50 years ago.

I've been arguing for awhile.

You go into the coal and oil communities and tell them that, you understand their plight, and you want to make sure that their lives are not negatively impacted by policy changes, or economic evolution.

And yes, I'm going to cut oil and gas subsidies, but every dollar of that cut is going to go into a fund, to provide free college, new tech schools, money for new small businesses and startups, specifically ear-marked for oil and coal communities impacted by the changing economy. So that for every job lost in their communities is matched with two new opportunities.