Kolek planning to go pro
rocket, you have such stream-of-consciousness silliness that you don't even remember what you say. xI don't think you're a caveman. You just judge poor people more harshly than rich people for the same behavior, and you favor Reverse Robin Hood behavior as most on your side of the aisle do. I mean, just look at those two healthcare bills! Even the Orange Menace called the House version "mean" (after holding a party to celebrate it, of course), and the Senate one was so draconian that unicorns moderate Republicans were running from it.And of course, when in doubt, bring out "liberal," "libs," "libbys," etc. Labeling and name-calling are always the easy, fall-back put-down.
The Congress is trying to fix the healthcare mess. It is not a pretty process but responsible people are trying and nothing is perfect but something must be done.
For the record .. please just call POTUS Trump. I always hated when people posted "Obambi" and whatnot .. it's just a cheap and unnecessary shot to use that kind of slang.
^^^^ Pleading for a ban
It is not a pretty process but responsible people are trying and nothing is perfect but something must be done.
I encourage all to listen to season 1 - episodes 4-6 - of Malcolm Gladwell's Revisionist History. It gets right at some of the topics covered in this thread. Namely, why it's so difficult for poor people to get to even middle class level. And, especially, how misguided we are in the capitalization of talent/skill in the US. It's pretty incredible.
rocket, you have such stream-of-consciousness silliness that you don't even remember what you say. xI don't think you're a caveman. You just judge poor people more harshly than rich people for the same behavior, and you favor Reverse Robin Hood behavior as most on your side of the aisle do. I mean, just look at those two healthcare bills! Even the Orange Menace called the House version "mean" (after holding a party to celebrate it, of course), and the Senate one was so draconian that unicorns moderate Republicans were running from it.
What do you suggest they do?
Yes, major fraud. Just because the PR department has an excuse handy, defrauding taxpayers out of millions and millions of dollars is major fraud.If a "welfare queen" did something 1/10,000th as bad, it would be Major, Major, Major Fraud to many, and they'd want to lock her up.
(Once semis go fully driverless, some talk that they can only operate on the interstate overnight. That gets them off the roads during business hours reducing traffic and accidents. To incentive this, they will allow them to drive at 100mph or more. That way they can cover almost 1000 miles when everyone is sleeping and traffic is sparse.)
I listened. Some really good things in there. Do not agree with all. This is why I linked to the University of Washington study on the Seattle minimum wage. For some reason you thought I was triggered. Here is the Washington Post article on that study, and it feeds right into what you are saying in that it is difficult for poor people to get to the middle class. The study suggests Seattle's minimum wage hike is making it even harder for the poor.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?utm_term=.5c57be313af4
Vander Orange Menace?
The problem with that study is you can find other reputable studies that show something different. You also cannot take anything away from their conclusions is they do not know the source of the actual problems they define, and if it is even the minimum wage increase.There are other exacerbating circumstances also. You and others like to point to this saying it shows raising the minimum wage doesn't help, it hurts. That is a false conclusion from even the data presented. What could possibly be concluded is that raising the minimum wage too quickly in that particular market had unintended consequences according to this particular methodology. Most research indicates that minimum wage hikes have a profound impact on mitigating the growing wealth gap and improving the quality of life for the lowest wage earners. The key is how to implement the wage hike slowly and more universally, Seattle did it fairly rapidly, others have gradually increased it with better effects. We have neglected the minimum wage for a long time, leaving it at historical lows. There is always going to be a period of adaptation. Some restaurants/markets will adapt quickly and intelligently. They thrive, their employees thrive. Others make poor choices or fail to adapt, they fail. That leads to an initial period of heightened turnover that can last for 5-years or more. You should wait 5 years to judge the results. On top of these expected aspects, additional market pressures exist, such as new rules regarding health care, that particularly hit the industries discussed here. One cannot easily separate these variables with documented precision right now. Again, that can lead to false conclusions. I would contend that the methodology employed by these individuals cannot decouple these additional variables accurately.The authors of the paper actually note that there are limitations to their method, particularly the lack of an extended and lengthy time series to estimate effects. They also say it cannot be used to estimate effects of laws on a statewide or national level. There are numerous other potential flaws in their methodology that would bias the result to a near 0 or slightly negative effect on employment/wages. Most of these flaws have not been remotely examined. My point is that this study is just another study. It should not be relied upon to make broad sweeping claims as we do not even know that their methodology can accurately capture the effects of the minimum wage increase, nor do we know if the market has actually adapted to the changes and that conditions reflect the long term impact of the minimum wage increase. Time will tell...we are not there yet.
Sure. But what do you do for those that are 40, 50, 60 that are not a part of the "future" workforce? Those people are still going to be employed for the next couple decades. Minimum wage jobs are not going to be enough to sustain.
More from the BLS study on the minimum wage:https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2016/home.htm45% of minimum wage workers are 16 to 2421% are age 40 to 653% are 65+21% are married13% are divorced65% never marriedCan we finally put to rest this canard that minimum wage workers are trying to raise a family? That demographic exists but it is very small. And those that are only capable of a minimum wage job and have a family have plenty of other government assistance programs besides the minimum wage.The minimum wage is an entry level job and when you raise the price of something, you get less of it (and more robots and kiosks, see above)As Chili correctly noted, the minimum wage is a political issue as unions use it as a benchmark (i.e., a job gets 200% of the minimum wage) so the unions are leading the charge to raise it for their workers, they don't care what it does to teenagers trying to get a job.Oh, and according to this table, 5% of union workers are 16 to 24 versus 45% of 16 to 24 are minimum wage earners. Unions don't care what havoc the cause to the 16 to 24-year-old job market because so few of them are their members.https://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t01.htm
Point is, we do a poor job in the us of placing decent value on low-level employees. Including those that are just above the minimum wage standardRaise minimum wage then raise other lower levels, bring down upper levels and everyone wins.
No question about it. And that's why an overwhelming 17% of Americans approve of their efforts. maybe they should throw in a free phone. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/senate-gop-health-care-bill-has-dismal-approval-rating-poll.html
Are you referring to name calling like "orange menace" or your own outright hypocrisy is oblivious to you
"When they go low, we go high." Shortest lived ethos in history
Further on the subject. Some real actual fix suggestions not being discussed.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nine-ways-to-really-fix-obamacare/2017/06/30/dc5a8fc4-5cfc-11e7-a9f6-7c3296387341_story.html?utm_term=.d021d87ea300