Oso planning to go pro
According to Pro Football Reference, Mira only played in Milwaukee once (1966) and did not throw a pass. He had one rushing attempt for one yard.
I can never get enough George Mira discussion. I vote for a separate George Mira thread or board. Mira-scoop.com?
I guess it depends on how you define running QBs. Steve Young, a spectacular runner, won a Super Bowl. Fran Tarkenton got to 3 Super Bowls. Roger Staubach -- often criticized in his younger days for scrambling too much -- was a multiple-time champion.None of the above was a "better runner than passer," especially by the time he had his most career success, but neither was Wilson nor McNabb.Plenty of other great-running QBs, including Vick, Cunningham and Culpepper, were good enough to get their teams to conference championship games -- which is as far as all-time great non-run-first QB Aaron Rodgers has taken the Packers in any of the last 11 years.A team can win, and win pretty big, with a great running QB. But yes, it's very difficult to go all the way with one, especially one who'd truly be defined as a "better runner than passer" QB. But there really aren't many of those. And most don't have enough longevity to stay healthy and/or great long enough for championship-level teams to be built around them. Cam Newton and Duante Culpepper seemed indestructible ... until they weren't.The best of all worlds is a guy like Mahomes -- he's great in a normal pocket, great in a moving pocket, and a great scrambler when he has to be. But he's not a big guy, and I hope he has lasting power because he sure is fun to watch.
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I mean you had to go back to the QBs who won the super bowl in 1994, 1977, and 1971, and made the super bowl in 1973-1976 to find examples. Young winning a super bowl 29 super bowls ago isn't really relevant to today's NFL. Running QBs were more of a novelty back then, defenses are much better equipped to handle them now then they were.BTW, want to feel old? After this season, Steve Young's Super Bowl 29, will be in the "old" half of super bowls. His win will be closer in time to the first super bowl than the most recent super bowl. I still remember watching that game as a kid.
That brings up an interesting side topic. What is everyones first Superbowl memory?My first memory is Lynn Swann against the Dallas Cowboys. SuperBowl X
Fun fact...in Fran Tarkenton's last year as an NFL quarterback, he started all 16 games, lead the league in passing yards at 216 yards a game....and threw 32 INTs.QB stats from back then are just wildly inefficient.
Things started to change with the elimination of hand checking beyond 5 yards and the advent of the west coast offense
Ehh depends. Are we talking "QB who uses run as a key part of their arsenal"? Cause 2013 SF with Kaepernick, then back to back SBs for Seattle in 2014/2015 with Russell Wilson, then Cam Newton and Carolina the year after. Seattle won in 2014, but then the others were 1 possession games until the end. So its not at all crazy that their "running QB" led teams could have won a SB.The QB has to be a good passer as well, but its not just Steve Young thats been successful in that mode at the highest level.
You missed the original post, I mentioned all of those examples. 1 running QB has won a SB in the past almost 30 years. 4 have lost in the Super Bowl. In that time at least 25 other QBs have made the super bowl
Steve Young was a quarterback who could run. He wasn't a "running quarterback."
When he got his NFL start with a bad Tampa Bay team, Young often had to be a "running for his life quarterback"!And in his early years with SF, when he'd replace an injured Montana, he did stuff like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbPwwmEcws0
That's exactly what I mean. That was a pass play where he scrambled. That wasn't some sort of RPO or designed run like you see these days.
His career arc was fairly similar to Staubach's: He was a scrambler (which isn't really the same as a "running QB") before becoming a great pocket passer who could run when necessary.
When he got his NFL start with a bad Tampa Bay team, Young often had to be a "running for his life quarterback"!And in his early years with SF, when he'd replace an injured Montana, he did stuff like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbPwwmEcws0But yes, by the time he actually was ready to replace Montana as the triggerman for the prolific SF offense, he was more of a pocket passer -- and a damn good one for many years.His career arc was fairly similar to Staubach's: He was a scrambler (which isn't really the same as a "running QB") before becoming a great pocket passer who could run when necessary.
Those really good years in the early 90s, he still ran A LOT for the era. He was in the high 60s to 70s in terms of number of carries. That would be above average for a QB even now. He was clocked at 4.55 in the 40 coming out of BYU. He absolutely would have been running RPOs in the modern game.But this is all belaboring the point. If you can’t throw as a QB, you won’t have success. If you leave the pocket at the first available moment you won’t have success. Russell Wilson showed that you can be a running QB and be very successful and healthy as long as you pick your moments. Lamar Jackson has been a wild success as a running weapon QB while also being an efficient passer. Jalen Hurts was more a runner than a passer coming out of college, he’s not a pocket passer by any stretch, and he’s in the top 2 in the MVP hunt. Josh Allen is a dual threat whose becoming a superstar on a very dangerous team.The NFL is always changing. And I think the notion of “running QBs can’t win” is eroding, so long as they are in the proper scheme. Many of the ”failed” mobile QBs of the 2000s and 2010s were a bit ahead of their time and in archaic systems. If RG3 played for the Harbaugh Ravens in his early 20s or for Brian Daboll, I truly think he’d have not only stayed more healthy, but also been a star.