Duane Wilson named to AP Wisconsin First team

[Hards Alumni]

http://www.channel3000.com/sports/wiaa/Aquinas-Koenig-voted-AP-player-of-year/-/4060/19312886/-/1086swu/-/index.html

Bronson Koenig named AP player of the year.

Looney also named to the first team.

[Groin_pull]

http://www.channel3000.com/sports/wiaa/Aquinas-Koenig-voted-AP-player-of-year/-/4060/19312886/-/1086swu/-/index.html

Bronson Koenig named AP player of the year.

Looney also named to the first team.

A future Badger picked as Wisconsin POY? Wow, didn't see that coming.

[brewcity77]

Koenig's dad probably threatened the voters if they didn't pick his son.

[Badgerhater]

Buzz now has a nice chip on Wilson's shoulder to develop.

[Litehouse]

What's the story with Koenig's dad?  I've seen a lot of comments lately and have no idea what they stem from.

[GGGG]

What's the story with Koenig's dad?  I've seen a lot of comments lately and have no idea what they stem from.

He apparently posts in Badger boards all the time.  He's kind of fun to troll with "Duane Wilson is better than Bronson Koenig" comments.

[Hards Alumni]

What's the story with Koenig's dad?  I've seen a lot of comments lately and have no idea what they stem from.

Sort of like Tim Maymon.  Lets just put it that way.

[Litehouse]

He apparently posts in Badger boards all the time.  He's kind of fun to troll with "Duane Wilson is better than Bronson Koenig" comments.

Please tell me it's tmoney

[MerrittsMustache]

Last week, I happened to flip to 1250 on the radio because I had heard how bad it was from this board. When I turned it on (week night around 6pm, not sure what show it was) they had a "recruiting expert" (didn't catch his name) on discussing Wilson and Koenig. They asked who he thought was better and the guy said that they were both really good players but he'd give the edge to Wilson. The immediate response from the host was, "Yeah, but you're biased." There was then about 5 seconds of awkward dead-air before the expert said that Wilson is quicker, runs offense better and can shoot better. The host then said that Koenig was a lot bigger, but was told they're both 6'3" and 180 pounds. The host said that Koenig is closer to 6'4", 200 and Wilson is no more than 6'0" and then went on to say that even if Wilson turns out to be better, Bo would never recruit "that kind of player."

For a second, I thought it was a bit scripted by some Scoopers but apparently that was the actual show. It cracked me. Gotta give the people what they want, I guess.

[M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS]

He apparently posts in Badger boards all the time.  He's kind of fun to troll with "Duane Wilson is better than Bronson Koenig" comments.

Wilson is better than Koenig.  What is wrong with stating facts?

With Bo's style of play Koenig will want out of UW by the end of his freshman year.  What were the schools that we close no Koenig's list?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Please tell me it's tmoney

that would be great, as tmoney is ZFB's favorite badger poster.  ZFB will give tmoney credit for being even better that ZFB in the use of 3rd person.

koenig's dad is teabaggersaredumb or somthing to that effect.

[GGGG]

Well, I'm not going to say Wilson is better than Koenig, because they play different types of games.  Wilson is a very good fit at MU...and Koenig is a very good fit at UW.

Rumors are his dad is "badmofo18" in this thread.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=11288856

[77ncaachamps]

Looney will be the one to make an impact.

Later, people will look back and say, "Dang. Duane was on that team too?!"

[Groin_pull]

Last week, I happened to flip to 1250 on the radio because I had heard how bad it was from this board. When I turned it on (week night around 6pm, not sure what show it was) they had a "recruiting expert" (didn't catch his name) on discussing Wilson and Koenig. They asked who he thought was better and the guy said that they were both really good players but he'd give the edge to Wilson. The immediate response from the host was, "Yeah, but you're biased." There was then about 5 seconds of awkward dead-air before the expert said that Wilson is quicker, runs offense better and can shoot better. The host then said that Koenig was a lot bigger, but was told they're both 6'3" and 180 pounds. The host said that Koenig is closer to 6'4", 200 and Wilson is no more than 6'0" and then went on to say that even if Wilson turns out to be better, Bo would never recruit "that kind of player."

For a second, I thought it was a bit scripted by some Scoopers but apparently that was the actual show. It cracked me. Gotta give the people what they want, I guess.

No shock. That's what I would expect in the land of Becky. Always support good ol' State U.

[GGGG]

He's also "birthersarefools" on the Buckyville forum.  He got all uppity once when one of their posters said that Wilson had a better year than Koenig did this year.  Fun reading.

[ChicosBailBonds]

A future Badger picked as Wisconsin POY? Wow, didn't see that coming.

Glad you said it...otherwise it would be a conspiracy argument 

[MUfan12]

Last week, I happened to flip to 1250 on the radio because I had heard how bad it was from this board. When I turned it on (week night around 6pm, not sure what show it was) they had a "recruiting expert" (didn't catch his name) on discussing Wilson and Koenig. They asked who he thought was better and the guy said that they were both really good players but he'd give the edge to Wilson. The immediate response from the host was, "Yeah, but you're biased." There was then about 5 seconds of awkward dead-air before the expert said that Wilson is quicker, runs offense better and can shoot better. The host then said that Koenig was a lot bigger, but was told they're both 6'3" and 180 pounds. The host said that Koenig is closer to 6'4", 200 and Wilson is no more than 6'0" and then went on to say that even if Wilson turns out to be better, Bo would never recruit "that kind of player."

For a second, I thought it was a bit scripted by some Scoopers but apparently that was the actual show. It cracked me. Gotta give the people what they want, I guess.

I heard that segment as well, the guy was a HS coach who has some decent local connections. Gary got all huffy and said Wilson was too small to be any good. That prompted Dominican's former coach to call in and put him in his place. Which was awesome.

[brewcity77]

Sort of like Tim Maymon.  Lets just put it that way.

Like Tim Maymon with an account on MUScoop. I'm not at all convinced Koenig will make it 4 years at Wisconsin. I don't think Bo will have any patience with his dad, who is already saying Koenig would be the best player on Wisconsin if he were there now and guaranteeing he will be starting from day one. Guessing there will be some loggerheads if that doesn't happen. And Koenig has a reputation as being incredibly arrogant, likely because of the helium pump his dad installed in his backside. I don't see that going over well with Bo at all.

If he's going to truly succeed at Wisconsin, there are going to need to be some serious attitude adjustments. Koenig's talents may fit Bo's style, but the reports of his entitled attitude and his brash, boisterous father don't at all seem to fit with Bo's hard-nosed mindset.

[Badgerhater]

Sort of like Tim Maymon.  Lets just put it that way.

I truly hope Bo Ryan can be a positive influence on this young man's life.  I mean that sincerely.

[GGGG]

Glad you said it...otherwise it would be a conspiracy argument 

Don't be such a martyr.

Two different groups pick AP player of the year and Mr. Basketball.  And your Mr. Basketball argument fell real flat with no good argument whatsoever.

[bilsu]

I was at the Domincan/Aquinas game and they are almost exactly the same height. Koenig definitely stronger and Wilson definitely quicker. I was impressed with Koenig's passing in that game and was surprised to see he only average 4.4 assists per game for the year.

[MerrittsMustache]

Like Tim Maymon with an account on MUScoop. I'm not at all convinced Koenig will make it 4 years at Wisconsin. I don't think Bo will have any patience with his dad, who is already saying Koenig would be the best player on Wisconsin if he were there now and guaranteeing he will be starting from day one. Guessing there will be some loggerheads if that doesn't happen. And Koenig has a reputation as being incredibly arrogant, likely because of the helium pump his dad installed in his backside. I don't see that going over well with Bo at all.

If he's going to truly succeed at Wisconsin, there are going to need to be some serious attitude adjustments. Koenig's talents may fit Bo's style, but the reports of his entitled attitude and his brash, boisterous father don't at all seem to fit with Bo's hard-nosed mindset.

IIRC, he was suspended for a game or two earlier in the season for whatever the generic, HS equivalent is for "conduct detrimental to the team." From what I hear, he could be the type of kid who needs to get a decent distance away from home in order to thrive, much like Maymon.

[MerrittsMustache]

I was at the Domincan/Aquinas game and they are almost exactly the same height. Koenig definitely stronger and Wilson definitely quicker. I was impressed with Koenig's passing in that game and was surprised to see he only average 4.4 assists per game for the year.

4.4 assists is pretty good for high school since most teams only score in the 50s-60s.

[Bocephys]

4.4 assists is pretty good for high school since most teams only score in the 50s-60s.

That's 10 points higher than his college team will average.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Last week, I happened to flip to 1250 on the radio because I had heard how bad it was from this board. When I turned it on (week night around 6pm, not sure what show it was) they had a "recruiting expert" (didn't catch his name) on discussing Wilson and Koenig. They asked who he thought was better and the guy said that they were both really good players but he'd give the edge to Wilson. The immediate response from the host was, "Yeah, but you're biased." There was then about 5 seconds of awkward dead-air before the expert said that Wilson is quicker, runs offense better and can shoot better. The host then said that Koenig was a lot bigger, but was told they're both 6'3" and 180 pounds. The host said that Koenig is closer to 6'4", 200 and Wilson is no more than 6'0" and then went on to say that even if Wilson turns out to be better, Bo would never recruit "that kind of player."

For a second, I thought it was a bit scripted by some Scoopers but apparently that was the actual show. It cracked me. Gotta give the people what they want, I guess.

Seriously?? Wow.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Don't be such a martyr.

Two different groups pick AP player of the year and Mr. Basketball.  And your Mr. Basketball argument fell real flat with no good argument whatsoever.

I don't think it did.  Provided several examples right off the top of my head.  Could have gone deeper, but didn't.  In my opinion there is a bias.  I'm hardly the only one here that thinks it.

[Pakuni]

Well, I'm not going to say Wilson is better than Koenig, because they play different types of games.  Wilson is a very good fit at MU...and Koenig is a very good fit at UW.

Rumors are his dad is "badmofo18" in this thread.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=11288856

Oh, dear. The dissonance of that thread.

[JD]

Well, I'm not going to say Wilson is better than Koenig, because they play different types of games.  Wilson is a very good fit at MU...and Koenig is a very good fit at UW.

Rumors are his dad is "badmofo18" in this thread.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=11288856

Wow what a F*kin tool.

Respect to Sultan, holding it down over there.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Enough of the sh*t said around here irks me.

That place is insane.

Sultan, I don't know how/why you do it.

[JD]

Next pressing question for me is, how the hell does an adult whose son is going to college to play basketball have a screen name of "Badmofo18"

[Badgerhater]

Should be fun watching that board next year when the LAX version of Tim Maymon hits Madison.

[GGGG]

Enough of the sh*t said around here irks me.

That place is insane.

Sultan, I don't know how/why you do it.

I grew up among them.  I know how they think.

[GGGG]

I don't think it did.  Provided several examples right off the top of my head.  Could have gone deeper, but didn't.  In my opinion there is a bias.  I'm hardly the only one here that thinks it.

You provided a couple of examples, all of which had reasonable explanations.  I even provided a couple counter examples.

People love to think there is bias.  They like feeling victimized.  There isn't bias in this case.

[The Process]

I almost spat out my drink when I read this brilliance by Sultan:

Code: ("Holy Exchange Batman") [Select]

returnfish wrote:  When was the last time you observed a Badger basketball player with hovering parents around the program?

2013-14 season.  And he'll make Gaines' dad look tame.
What'd the 5 fingers say to the face? SLAP!  Well done, Sultan!

So why haven't you outed him yet on the Bucky board, may I ask?

[GGGG]

I almost spat out my drink when I read this brilliance by Sultan:

Code: ("Holy Exchange Batman") [Select]

returnfish wrote:  When was the last time you observed a Badger basketball player with hovering parents around the program?

2013-14 season.  And he'll make Gaines' dad look tame.
What'd the 5 fingers say to the face? SLAP!  Well done, Sultan!

So why haven't you outed him yet on the Bucky board, may I ask?

To be honest, I am not 100% sure it is him.  Just going by rumors.  (I did make an inference earlier in the thread.)

BTW, there is a segment of that board that honestly believes that Bo "cooled" on Wes Matthews because of his mom?  Really?  Was his mom ever a problem?  And Reece Gaines dad was never a problem either.  He was *never* going to play for Bo Ryan.

So silly.

[GGGG]

BTW, I very well might be wrong about Koenig's dad on Scout.  (I am much more sure that he is "birthersarefools" on Buckyville.)  But it's fun to pretend anyway.

[Pakuni]

To be honest, I am not 100% sure it is him.  Just going by rumors.  (I did make an inference earlier in the thread.)

BTW, there is a segment of that board that honestly believes that Bo "cooled" on Wes Matthews because of his mom?  Really?  Was his mom ever a problem?  And Reece Gaines dad was never a problem either.  He was *never* going to play for Bo Ryan.

So silly.

Worse yet, there are some believe that Bo only pretended to recruit Wes, but didn't really want him because of some "incident" between Wes Sr., Bo and Pam back in the 70s. Bizarre love triangle?

[RJax55]

Worse yet, there are some believe that Bo only pretended to recruit Wes, but didn't really want him because of some "incident" between Wes Sr., Bo and Pam back in the 70s. Bizarre love triangle?

That one was my favorite.

[The Process]

To be honest, I am not 100% sure it is him.  Just going by rumors.  (I did make an inference earlier in the thread.)

Yeah, I caught that inference.  Well played and COMPLETELY over their heads.

They're not very bright over there, I've noticed.  As you alluded to in that thread, is virtually EVERY recruit that Bo missed out on because Bo "cooled" on them, not just Wes Matthews and Gaines??

And that "list" that they posted showed them striking out much more than they admitted.  The comments about Jamil and Wes made me LOL in particular.

[GGGG]

Worse yet, there are some believe that Bo only pretended to recruit Wes, but didn't really want him because of some "incident" between Wes Sr., Bo and Pam back in the 70s. Bizarre love triangle?

IS WES BO RYAN'S ILLEGITIMATE SON??!!!???

[RJax55]

BTW, there is a segment of that board that honestly believes that Bo "cooled" on Wes Matthews because of his mom?  Really?  Was his mom ever a problem?  And Reece Gaines dad was never a problem either.  He was *never* going to play for Bo Ryan.

Sultan, I've never seen a fan-based that is more concerned about a recruits' parents than UW's. It's bizarre.

Honestly, in my almost 15 years following MU, can only recall one parent (Tim Maymon) that became (at least publicly) an issue for the program.

[ChicosBailBonds]

You provided a couple of examples, all of which had reasonable explanations.  I even provided a couple counter examples.

People love to think there is bias.  They like feeling victimized.  There isn't bias in this case.

There are several Wisconsin high school coaches on a few of the Wisconsin fan boards.  One of them a few years back came right out and said he would have a tough time voting for a MU commit if they had a vote, which they do not.  I don't think he is alone, there are people in the state that are truly that bias.  If he was stupid enough to come out and say it, how many are not stupid enough but keep it inside when they vote?  


In 1986, Tony Smith was the best player in the state.  Kirby Kulas won the award.  Call it anti-MU, call it pro small town bias, call it what you want. It was a stunner then and remains a head scratcher almost 20 years later.

Steve Novak, in my opinion, should have received it over Greg Brown...we can quibble on this one.  Brown played on a much better team.  We all know who ultimately proved it out.

Jerry Smith behind Polka?  No way Polka was a better high school player than Jerry Smith.  This one was laughable.

2001...Devin Harris and Travis Diener...interesting debate.  

EDIT:  I had to go back to 2006 with the Polka stuff to remember what a shock it was. Glad the memory isn't failing me.  One of several examples.

http://www.wissports.net/Playground/default.aspx?g=posts&t=239733

[GGGG]

Jerry Smith is an interesting example...but he wasn't a Marquette commit.  If anything, he was closer to being a UW commit.  I have no idea why you keep bringing that up as a sign of anti-MU bias.

It *is* a sign that sometimes the judges of this thing don't know what they are doing however.

[macman320]

Or Jerry Smith as an example of pro UW bias

[brewcity77]

IIRC, he was suspended for a game or two earlier in the season for whatever the generic, HS equivalent is for "conduct detrimental to the team." From what I hear, he could be the type of kid who needs to get a decent distance away from home in order to thrive, much like Maymon.

You recall correctly. Very PC way of handling it.

[Litehouse]

BTW, I very well might be wrong about Koenig's dad on Scout.  (I am much more sure that he is "birthersarefools" on Buckyville.)  But it's fun to pretend anyway.

Looks like Mr. Koenig showed up on Dodds' board to defend the honor of his son.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=11353765&p=3

[GGGG]

Looks like Mr. Koenig showed up on Dodds' board to defend the honor of his son.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=11353765&p=3

My goodness...that is so funny.

[Groin_pull]

Looks like Mr. Koenig showed up on Dodds' board to defend the honor of his son.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=11353765&p=3

Badmofo??? I guess Douchebag was already taken.

[Niv Berkowitz]

Shut 'em down! Shut 'em, shut 'em down!!!! 

That was awesome....ly hysterical.

[booger]

that would be great, as tmoney is ZFB's favorite badger poster.  ZFB will give tmoney credit for being even better that ZFB in the use of 3rd person.

koenig's dad is teabaggersaredumb or somthing to that effect.

I am a marquette fan and a badger fan and I know the Koenig's.  His dad is a really good guy and it doesn't sound like him.  I know he likes Marquette too.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I am a marquette fan and a badger fan and I know the Koenig's.  His dad is a really good guy and it doesn't sound like him.  I know he likes Marquette too.

I just got Hoopalooped.