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Nathan Marzion @natemar3i0n 31m31 minutes ago
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Nathan Marzion@natemar3i0n 30minutes ago
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MARQUETTE BEATS WISCONSIN ONCE AGAIN
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Might as well. The rest of the team has been phoning it in for weeks.
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Might as well. The rest of the team has been phoning it in for weeks.
+1
A crappy team all but eliminated from the playoffs has 4 game left this season and is playing at the Rockets that have clinched the 3 seed (and cannot get the 2 seed). So, the game has no meaning for the Rockets. Point is why play any regulars? Time to test drive what you have in the D-league to see if it is worth anything.
Hope Henry has a good game.
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Henry's Stat Line Today (remember that before tonight's game, he played only 1 minute since January 21).
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400900560
Min: 26
FG: 6 - 16
3Pt: 1-8
Pts: 15
FT: 2- 2
Reb: 11
Blk: 1
+/-: -3
So he put up 16 attempts in 26 minutes, 50% were 3pt. Can we call him "baby Steve Novak?"
He had a double/double.
Again for a guy that played 1 minute the last 10 weeks, this is a solid effort.
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Natural order of things:
Warriors replacing Badgers......
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Still cant shoot the 3
Woulda been interested to see what the season woulda been like 2 years ago if wojo had reigned in the chucking. Lost a few games imo due to the no pass 3s from henry. Good player with good potential no doubt but if its not wojo trying to appease henry he gets yanked for many of those shots. We were a decent team when henry played the 5 and we played 4 guards around him. Unfortunately we didnt play like that very much. The myth of luke fischer was still alive and ellenson wanted to play on wing n wojo appeased him.
Ive been happy with wojo to this point but was quite disappointed that henry or maybe his parents seemed to call the offense for MU last year. Sure henry projects to a 3 /stretch 4 in the pros but while that skill showed potential it was not yet developed. His butt shoulda been inside 15 feet where he was actually a dominant college player
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Still cant shoot the 3
Woulda been interested to see what the season woulda been like 2 years ago if wojo had reigned in the chucking. Lost a few games imo due to the no pass 3s from henry. Good player with good potential no doubt but if its not wojo trying to appease henry he gets yanked for many of those shots. We were a decent team when henry played the 5 and we played 4 guards around him. Unfortunately we didnt play like that very much. The myth of luke fischer was still alive and ellenson wanted to play on wing n wojo appeased him.
Ive been happy with wojo to this point but was quite disappointed that henry or maybe his parents seemed to call the offense for MU last year. Sure henry projects to a 3 /stretch 4 in the pros but while that skill showed potential it was not yet developed. His butt shoulda been inside 15 feet where he was actually a dominant college player
I'm really glad you aren't Marquette's head coach.
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Still cant shoot the 3
Woulda been interested to see what the season woulda been like 2 years ago if wojo had reigned in the chucking. Lost a few games imo due to the no pass 3s from henry. Good player with good potential no doubt but if its not wojo trying to appease henry he gets yanked for many of those shots. We were a decent team when henry played the 5 and we played 4 guards around him. Unfortunately we didnt play like that very much. The myth of luke fischer was still alive and ellenson wanted to play on wing n wojo appeased him.
Ive been happy with wojo to this point but was quite disappointed that henry or maybe his parents seemed to call the offense for MU last year. Sure henry projects to a 3 /stretch 4 in the pros but while that skill showed potential it was not yet developed. His butt shoulda been inside 15 feet where he was actually a dominant college player
I see you talking but all I hear is blah, blah, blah.
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At this point, Henry's a "stretch 4" in name only. He's a 1st Rounder with NBA size so he'll get a long rope but needs to improve his efficiency and shot selection if he wants to have any sort of prolonged NBA career.
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At this point, Henry's a "stretch 4" in name only. He's a 1st Rounder with NBA size so he'll get a long rope but needs to improve his efficiency and shot selection if he wants to have any sort of prolonged NBA career.
How do you know this? Again he's played 1 minute in the last 10 weeks. Have you looked at his D-league stats? If so, please provide a link?
If you're basing these comments on the above stat line, don't. Henry was probably jacked he was finally playing extended minutes. And if you base every rookies career on the very first game they play more than 20 minutes, you'd even conclude Lebron would be a journeyman player.
Detroit has three more games this season. Assuming Henry gets similar minutes the rest of the way, let's see what his stat line looks like in 3 games.
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Henry's Stat Line Today (remember that before tonight's game, he played only 1 minute since January 21).
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400900560
Min: 26
FG: 6 - 16
3Pt: 1-8
Pts: 15
FT: 2- 2
Reb: 11
Blk: 1
+/-: -3
So he put up 16 attempts in 26 minutes, 50% were 3pt. Can we call him "baby Steve Novak?"
He had a double/double.
Again for a guy that played 1 minute the last 10 weeks, this is a solid effort.
Need advanced stats, bruh.
He had an eRB% of 87%, meaning that only 13% of his rebounds were difficult.
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How do you know this? Again he's played 1 minute in the last 10 weeks. Have you looked at his D-league stats? If so, please provide a link?
If you're basing these comments on the above stat line, don't. Henry was probably jacked he was finally playing extended minutes. And if you base every rookies career on the very first game they play more than 20 minutes, you'd even conclude Lebron would be a journeyman player.
Detroit has three more games this season. Assuming Henry gets similar minutes the rest of the way, let's see what his stat line looks like in 3 games.
His eFG was an underwhelming 47.9% in the D League.
He shot 41.8% from the floor and 33.8% from 3, which made up over one-third of his FGA.
Efficiency is an issue.
Also, LeBron went for 25-9-6-4 on 12-20 shooting in his 42-minute NBA debut.
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At this point, Henry's a "stretch 4" in name only. He's a 1st Rounder with NBA size so he'll get a long rope but needs to improve his efficiency and shot selection if he wants to have any sort of prolonged NBA career.
Honestly, that's how I see it too.
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His eFG was an underwhelming 47.9% in the D League.
He shot 41.8% from the floor and 33.8% from 3, which made up over one-third of his FGA.
Efficiency is an issue.
Doesn't the fact that his eFG was much better while taking 3 point shots and him taking over a third of his shots from 3 suggest that he is a stretch four?
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Incredible name. Well done.
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Doesn't the fact that his eFG was much better while taking 3 point shots and him taking over a third of his shots from 3 suggest that he is a stretch four?
Gotta hit your shots. Honestly, unless his shooting improves, his ceiling is Jon Leuer. He's only 19 or 20, so as someone said, he'll get a couple years' leash, but still a long way to go
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Still cant shoot the 3
Woulda been interested to see what the season woulda been like 2 years ago if wojo had reigned in the chucking. Lost a few games imo due to the no pass 3s from henry. Good player with good potential no doubt but if its not wojo trying to appease henry he gets yanked for many of those shots. We were a decent team when henry played the 5 and we played 4 guards around him. Unfortunately we didnt play like that very much. The myth of luke fischer was still alive and ellenson wanted to play on wing n wojo appeased him.
Ive been happy with wojo to this point but was quite disappointed that henry or maybe his parents seemed to call the offense for MU last year. Sure henry projects to a 3 /stretch 4 in the pros but while that skill showed potential it was not yet developed. His butt shoulda been inside 15 feet where he was actually a dominant college player
So you wanted Luke out of the game AND Hank pulled from the game when he "chucked" a 3? Man you're a genius, let's roll with Sandy Cohen at the 5!
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Doesn't the fact that his eFG was much better while taking 3 point shots and him taking over a third of his shots from 3 suggest that he is a stretch four?
Fair point but it also suggests that he's shooting even less efficiently from 2.
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Gotta hit your shots. Honestly, unless his shooting improves, his ceiling is Jon Leuer. He's only 19 or 20, so as someone said, he'll get a couple years' leash, but still a long way to go
There's worse things than a Jon Leuer career. He's only 19. He can improve his shot still. Good to see him have a nice game even if it wasn't an efficient one.
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Henry highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wq2HcB6D3E&feature=youtu.be
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How do you know this? Again he's played 1 minute in the last 10 weeks. Have you looked at his D-league stats? If so, please provide a link?
If you're basing these comments on the above stat line, don't. Henry was probably jacked he was finally playing extended minutes. And if you base every rookies career on the very first game they play more than 20 minutes, you'd even conclude Lebron would be a journeyman player.
Detroit has three more games this season. Assuming Henry gets similar minutes the rest of the way, let's see what his stat line looks like in 3 games.
Henry's D-League stats:
http://stats.nbadleague.com/player/#!/1627740/ (http://stats.nbadleague.com/player/#!/1627740/)
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Still cant shoot the 3
Woulda been interested to see what the season woulda been like 2 years ago if wojo had reigned in the chucking. Lost a few games imo due to the no pass 3s from henry. Good player with good potential no doubt but if its not wojo trying to appease henry he gets yanked for many of those shots. We were a decent team when henry played the 5 and we played 4 guards around him. Unfortunately we didnt play like that very much. The myth of luke fischer was still alive and ellenson wanted to play on wing n wojo appeased him.
Ive been happy with wojo to this point but was quite disappointed that henry or maybe his parents seemed to call the offense for MU last year. Sure henry projects to a 3 /stretch 4 in the pros but while that skill showed potential it was not yet developed. His butt shoulda been inside 15 feet where he was actually a dominant college player
Lol even some Luke hate in the mix.
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Lol even some Luke hate in the mix.
Well yeah. This dodobird troll thinks Patton picked up fouls by osmosis instead of trying to defend Luke.
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Because they were playing my Rockets I watched all of Henry's play.
Henry played with good energy. Made a few good shots but most were 2nd 3rd option kick outs...Rockets sagged and ignored him most of the time...not yet good enough to draw defensive attention. He threw up threes but his form remains something to work on. He looked like a D leaguer up for a look...he likely will benefit from one more year in the D.
Bill Worrell our local Rockets TV announcer (Clyde Drexler/Matt Bullard do color) had worked Rockets games over 20 years with former MU SID Jim Foley, so he is always very nice to announce any and all MU references...Bill brought up a few of them when Henry was playing...even making the comment...""he looks good out there but still has some work to do...maybe he would have benefited by another year at Marquette..."
Agree?
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Another year n college only makes him look more polished as a rookie. How ver a full year in pro ball he is gonna improve more than a year in college ball, more games, more time in the weight room, more practice time, etc etc etc
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Still cant shoot the 3
Woulda been interested to see what the season woulda been like 2 years ago if wojo had reigned in the chucking. Lost a few games imo due to the no pass 3s from henry. Good player with good potential no doubt but if its not wojo trying to appease henry he gets yanked for many of those shots. We were a decent team when henry played the 5 and we played 4 guards around him. Unfortunately we didnt play like that very much. The myth of luke fischer was still alive and ellenson wanted to play on wing n wojo appeased him.
Ive been happy with wojo to this point but was quite disappointed that henry or maybe his parents seemed to call the offense for MU last year. Sure henry projects to a 3 /stretch 4 in the pros but while that skill showed potential it was not yet developed. His butt shoulda been inside 15 feet where he was actually a dominant college player
I agree with this analysis.
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Gotta hit your shots. Honestly, unless his shooting improves, his ceiling is Jon Leuer. He's only 19 or 20, so as someone said, he'll get a couple years' leash, but still a long way to go
if what you mean by a jon leuer ceiling-he's been in the league since 2011, and just signed a 4 year $10.5 million contract. nothing to be ashamed of there. now if henry can "be like jon" and sign a 4 year deal after his 3 year "probationary period" his 4 year deal in NBA money could very well be $15 or more. nothing wrong with those ceilings. if it's draymond green status you are looking for, then yeah, there'sroom for improvement
all henry has to do is show progress, not perfection. find the right fit, and...
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Henry's Stat Line Today (remember that before tonight's game, he played only 1 minute since January 21).
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400900560
Min: 26
FG: 6 - 16
3Pt: 1-8
Pts: 15
FT: 2- 2
Reb: 11
Blk: 1
+/-: -3
So he put up 16 attempts in 26 minutes, 50% were 3pt. Can we call him "baby Steve Novak?"
He had a double/double.
Again for a guy that played 1 minute the last 10 weeks, this is a solid effort.
I didn't realize there were so many easy rebounds in the NBA
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if what you mean by a jon leuer ceiling-he's been in the league since 2011, and just signed a 4 year $10.5 million contract. nothing to be ashamed of there. now if henry can "be like jon" and sign a 4 year deal after his 3 year "probationary period" his 4 year deal in NBA money could very well be $15 or more.
For the record, that is Leuer's average annual salary. So $42 million total. Definitely nothing to be ashamed of!
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if what you mean by a jon leuer ceiling-he's been in the league since 2011, and just signed a 4 year $10.5 million contract. nothing to be ashamed of there. now if henry can "be like jon" and sign a 4 year deal after his 3 year "probationary period" his 4 year deal in NBA money could very well be $15 or more. nothing wrong with those ceilings. if it's draymond green status you are looking for, then yeah, there'sroom for improvement
all henry has to do is show progress, not perfection. find the right fit, and...
$15 in 4 years might be great money to some, but...
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if what you mean by a jon leuer ceiling-he's been in the league since 2011, and just signed a 4 year $10.5 million contract. nothing to be ashamed of there. now if henry can "be like jon" and sign a 4 year deal after his 3 year "probationary period" his 4 year deal in NBA money could very well be $15 or more. nothing wrong with those ceilings. if it's draymond green status you are looking for, then yeah, there'sroom for improvement
all henry has to do is show progress, not perfection. find the right fit, and...
That's really not meant as a knock. Leuer has had a career and gotten his as a big that can hit shots. But it's safe to say that there were higher hopes for Hank given his status. If "that's all", then Henry will be able to retire happy and wealthy. But it wasn't where we thought he would end up. That's all.
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The NBA is much better at working and developing young talent than they were 10-20 years ago. It used to be that early entrants either hung on, or were on their own either in the D-League or Europe. And the D-League was smaller than and not really a true minor league with multiple franchises affiliating with one team.
Pretty much every NBA franchise as a dedicated D League affiliate. The Bucks are starting their own in Oshkosh next year. This allows franchises to develop their own players better a la the MLB minor league system.
So 10-20 years ago, a guy like Henry would have been better to stay in college. Now it's pretty much a no brainer that he should take the first round money.
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$15 in 4 years might be great money to some, but...
That's around the same level that Diener peaked at before heading to Italy for more playtime.
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Because they were playing my Rockets I watched all of Henry's play.
Henry played with good energy. Made a few good shots but most were 2nd 3rd option kick outs...Rockets sagged and ignored him most of the time...not yet good enough to draw defensive attention. He threw up threes but his form remains something to work on. He looked like a D leaguer up for a look...he likely will benefit from one more year in the D.
Bill Worrell our local Rockets TV announcer (Clyde Drexler/Matt Bullard do color) had worked Rockets games over 20 years with former MU SID Jim Foley, so he is always very nice to announce any and all MU references...Bill brought up a few of them when Henry was playing...even making the comment...""he looks good out there but still has some work to do...maybe he would have benefited by another year at Marquette..."
Agree?
Nope, Association coaches can develop his potential far bedder den anythin' in college. Duzant hurt da have a few sheckles in yo Lora Piana pockect while shoutin' da Benz ether, hey?
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As others have said, the Leuer comparisons should be a compliment for HE.
In the past, I have said if he could have a Steve Hawes-like career he will have had a nice long run. Hawes has played 10 years in the league and has made more than $40 million.
Henry probably is never going to be Dirk ... but that's a good thing because we all know how Davante would have destroyed him!
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That's around the same level that Diener peaked at before heading to Italy for more playtime.
I'm pretty sure Diener was offered more than $15 for 4 years.
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As others have said, the Leuer comparisons should be a compliment for HE.
In the past, I have said if he could have a Steve Hawes-like career he will have had a nice long run. Hawes has played 10 years in the league and has made more than $40 million.
Henry probably is never going to be Dirk ... but that's a good thing because we all know how Davante would have destroyed him!
Hopefully Henry's career is more like the career of Spencer Hawes than Steve Hawes.
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Hopefully Henry's career is more like the career of Spencer Hawes than Steve Hawes.
I was surprised to find there actually was a Steve Hawes that played in the NBA from 1975-84. Similar career numbers in scoring and rebounding. But Spencer earned quite a bit more money in his career.
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That's really not meant as a knock. Leuer has had a career and gotten his as a big that can hit shots. But it's safe to say that there were higher hopes for Hank given his status. If "that's all", then Henry will be able to retire happy and wealthy. But it wasn't where we thought he would end up. That's all.
no problem. just clarifying is all-didn't mean to come across like a richard.
i did mean $10.5 per year and if henry to get to leur level, $15 + per year
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I was surprised to find there actually was a Steve Hawes that played in the NBA from 1975-84. Similar career numbers in scoring and rebounding. But Spencer earned quite a bit more money in his career.
Steve is Spencer's uncle.
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Hopefully Henry's career is more like the career of Spencer Hawes than Steve Hawes.
Yessir ... I meant Spencer. Dated myself with mention of Steve.
Point stands. That would be a nice career for HE. Hawes is a player with value for his teams. He was a darn good role player for the Hornets last season.
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Yessir ... I meant Spencer. Dated myself with mention of Steve.
Point stands. That would be a nice career for HE. Hawes is a player with value for his teams. He was a darn good role player for the Hornets last season.
speakin of hornets, hows my man frankie k doing? i know he's a vermin, but he is a good guy. my nephew and he are besties and as they say in lisle-they remember him when he sucked. my bro-in-law was his 8th grade b-ball coach so he likes to jokingly take some of the credit for where he is today
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speakin of hornets, hows my man frankie k doing? i know he's a vermin, but he is a good guy. my nephew and he are besties and as they say in lisle-they remember him when he sucked. my bro-in-law was his 8th grade b-ball coach so he likes to jokingly take some of the credit for where he is today
I don't know anything about him as a person, but he has had a decent season for the Hornets. Up and down in the first half of the season, more consistent and assertive in the second. He has progressed OK after a pretty bad rookie year. I think he'll have a long NBA career as a 7-footer who can shoot the 3, pass well and occasionally post up. He isn't a great defender whether at the 4 or 5.
It will be interesting to see if Henry can be a better pro. Henry already is a better rebounder but he needs to be more efficient on offense, and needs to make more 3s if he's gonna take so many.
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Last 2 games stats:
54 mins
24pts
20 boards
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Last 2 games stats:
54 mins
24pts
20 boards
9-27 from the floor (33.3%)
4-14 from 3 (28.6%)
He can do a lot of things well but he's got to put the ball in the basket.
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9-27 from the floor (33.3%)
4-14 from 3 (28.6%)
He can do a lot of things well but he's got to put the ball in the basket.
He's a good rebounder. His shooting form looks goods, but the results have never been there.
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9-27 from the floor (33.3%)
4-14 from 3 (28.6%)
He can do a lot of things well but he's got to put the ball in the basket.
Henry is still what he was here. High level rebounder, volume scorer, high usage and low efficiency guy.
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Give him this summer and next year he'll be a good contributor next season
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Give him this summer and next year he'll be a good contributor next season
I hope so.
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Henry is still what he was here. High level rebounder, volume scorer, high usage and low efficiency guy.
Will be interesting to see if the Pistons exercise their options to extend Henrys contract
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/henry-ellenson-20223/
By way of reference , The Bulls exercised their options twice on Doug McDermott
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/doug-mcdermott-15363/
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Henry is still what he was here. High level rebounder, volume scorer, high usage and low efficiency guy.
Makes me wonder if he would have changed if he stayed another year. I would think he'd try and show he could be a role player in the NBA given this chance, but also understand the thought of "I have to show my skills." I hope he develops well. If he can hit the 3 with any consistency, he will have a nice career.
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Of course dey wil, hey?
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Makes me wonder if he would have changed if he stayed another year. I would think he'd try and show he could be a role player in the NBA given this chance, but also understand the thought of "I have to show my skills." I hope he develops well. If he can hit the 3 with any consistency, he will have a nice career.
Also, make money before I no longer have "potential" and I am what I am.
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Henry is still what he was here.
Denny Green, raised from the dead!
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Henry is still what he was here. High level rebounder, volume scorer, high usage and low efficiency guy.
But with some $$$$ in his pocket
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Ivan Rabb would be a good argument for why Henry should have turned pro.
Rabb was projected to be a borderline lottery pick last year. He stayed in school another year, improved maybe a little, and now is projected by draftexpress to go around 20.
So waiting a year, when the draft is now deeper, cost Rabb money on his rookie deal and delays his 2nd contract a year. It also cost him a year of his professional career that he'll never get back.
So while Henry wasn't "ready" he was draftable. Maximizing draft stock and being ready are not always the same thing.
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Ivan Rabb would be a good argument for why Henry should have turned pro.
Rabb was projected to be a borderline lottery pick last year. He stayed in school another year, improved maybe a little, and now is projected by draftexpress to go around 20.
So waiting a year, when the draft is now deeper, cost Rabb money on his rookie deal and delays his 2nd contract a year. It also cost him a year of his professional career that he'll never get back.
So while Henry wasn't "ready" he was draftable. Maximizing draft stock and being ready are not always the same thing.
Absolutely fair statement. When one starts to think about the limited number of years a guy can get paid to play basketball ir becomes particularly relevant.
Frankly, I'm concerned about how the adding of resources to the D League will further erode the historically wonderful college product. Nobody pays ANY attention to the D league (relatively speaking) and yet if young guys can develop their game and get paid it might become the wave of the future. And that would make me sad. Because honestly, I don't have very much attachment at all to Henry and never will. He just simply never became 'Us'. For some strange reason, I feel 'closer' to guys that grad transfer in and give MU their final year.