Author Topic: Nick Williams Leaving Indiana (Read 8997 times)

Tom Crean's Tanning Bed · « **on:** April 15, 2009, 06:36:31 PM »

http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/04/15/nick-williams-will-not-return-next-season/#disqus_thread

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #1 on:** April 15, 2009, 06:44:25 PM »

He's unhappy on a crappy team with tons of playing time. Imagine if he came to MU and was 8th off the bench?

4everwarriors · « **Reply #2 on:** April 15, 2009, 06:51:56 PM »

Crean probably ran him off.

radome · « **Reply #3 on:** April 15, 2009, 06:58:07 PM »

I'm not sure how exactly I should feel about this. Mostly I think that I feel bad for the young man ... coach leaves the school he plans to attend, then he doesn't like where he ends up.

How talented is he?

bma725 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:06:35 PM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 15, 2009, 06:44:25 PM

He's unhappy on a crappy team with tons of playing time. Imagine if he came to MU and was 8th off the bench?

He's unhappy because Crean sold him on turning NW into his next great guard and he spent most of the season down low, sometimes playing the 4. It's not what he signed up for when he committed a few years ago.

Tulsa Warrior · « **Reply #5 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:09:16 PM »

BMA -- you got the sales pitch right.

schubert33 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:11:17 PM »

I bet he ends up playing for a former IU coach in Davis. Williams is from Birmingham, and it would seem like a good fit..

MR.HAYWARD · « **Reply #7 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:37:31 PM »

Crean has got to lead the country over the last 10 years in the number of tranfers of players that got significant minutes or started. Just shows what an absolute prick and disengenuous person he is. 99.9999% of players leave due to playing time not with Tommy Naismith.

VegasWarrior77 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:20:25 PM »

One of the comments on the IU board stated: "I kind of think they need to start worrying about evening out the numbers in each graduating class, so that the team isn't decimated every 2-3 years."

I think this is what Buzz has done and something Crean wasn't very good at.

Pardner · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:27:48 PM »

Glad I shorted my Rentokil Tropical Plant Rental stock.

NCMUFan · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:41:52 PM »

It is always interesting to see if the transfer benefited the player or was a bad move. With three years left to play, Nick's collegiate career is to be determined. He seemed to be one of the few bright spots of Indiana basketball last year. Maybe winning is important to him and he felt IU basketball would be dismal his entire collegiate career. It is an interesting situation.

chapman · « **Reply #11 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:25:50 PM »

Quote

“After the season, Nick expressed displeasure with his role this year and also shared concern with members of our coaching staff about his future role in the program, ” said Crean.

I guess he saw Matthews play this season...

VegasWarrior77 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:33:13 PM »

Quote from: chapman on April 15, 2009, 10:25:50 PM

I guess he saw Matthews play this season...

+1
My bet is that E-Will turns out to be a better player than N-Will!

77ncaachamps · « **Reply #13 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:34:52 PM »

That makes two for good 'ol CTC: Nick and Malik Story.

Oh, Nicky...don't you wish you were a Warrior now?!?

GGGG · « **Reply #14 on:** April 16, 2009, 08:06:47 AM »

Apparently, he didn't like his role this year.

He'd probably be starting at MU next year if he would have just stuck with his original commitment.

Mike Deane · « **Reply #15 on:** April 16, 2009, 08:33:00 AM »

It's Indiana, it's Indiana.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #16 on:** April 16, 2009, 08:42:00 AM »

Well, given the way his initial commitment happened, I guess I wouldn't be surprised to see him want to take another look at MU. One conversation with Wesley Matthews I suspect would be all the convincing he would need. Problem now would appear to be PT, which I suspect would be tough to overcome, but adding a Soph in 2010 with 2 years of D1 "experience"...be just fine by me.

CAINMUTINY · « **Reply #17 on:** April 16, 2009, 08:55:39 AM »

I highly doubt he's going to take a look at MU. I wish him the best of luck where ever he goes, and for god sakes watch out for those used car salesmen!!

Badgerhater · « **Reply #18 on:** April 16, 2009, 09:24:35 AM »

It is interesting that most of the IU commentors for that article are not upset to see him go. They thought he was only an average player. If that is the case, glad he dumped MU because MU doesn't need average Little Ten talent. If his perceived averageness was because he played out of position, then it will be fun watching him light it up as a guard wherever he goes. Fortunately for MU, I think Butler will have a much better college career than Williams.

Do wish him the best of luck wherever he does end up.

GGGG · « **Reply #19 on:** April 16, 2009, 09:25:26 AM »

Quote from: schubert33 on April 15, 2009, 07:11:17 PM

I bet he ends up playing for a former IU coach in Davis. Williams is from Birmingham, and it would seem like a good fit..

I thought he was from Mobile. That is why I thought South Alabama.

redbirdwarrior · « **Reply #20 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:09:32 AM »

Tommy Boy did some great things for MU, but with the amount of transfers, he must be the wealthiest snake-oil salesman in the Midwest...

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:16:34 AM »

Quote from: redbirdwarrior on April 16, 2009, 10:09:32 AM

Tommy Boy did some great things for MU, but with the amount of transfers, he must be the wealthiest snake-oil salesman in the Midwest...

John Thompson III has had 6 transfers in the last 4 years...is he too a snake oil salesman?

Guy Fieri's Dad · « **Reply #22 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:19:26 AM »

Tc has had a lot of transfers over the years. I forget which year but basically everyone left mu that he recruited.

Skatastrophy · « **Reply #23 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:45:31 AM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on April 16, 2009, 10:16:34 AM

John Thompson III has had 6 transfers in the last 4 years...is he too a snake oil salesman?

He may be, the way his team face-planted this year.

StillAWarrior · « **Reply #24 on:** May 19, 2009, 01:53:06 PM »

Apparently he's heading to Mississippi.

mosarsour · « **Reply #25 on:** May 19, 2009, 03:02:06 PM »

Quote from: StillAWarrior on May 19, 2009, 01:53:06 PM

Apparently he's heading to Mississippi.

Good for NW. I wish him the best at Ole Miss. Seems like a good kid.

I've tried to keep my silence regarding the anti-Crean faction of posters on this board. But I can't hold my tongue any longer. So here's my small rant, and then I will never speak of this again.......

For the posters that continue to bash our former head coach...GET OVER IT ALREADY! Yes...he was, is, and always will be a slick, slimy, publicity seeking d bag. But most of you never had a problem with it when he was here because he was OUR slick, slimy, publicity seeking d bag.

Haywire...why do you have to turn every thread into a "here's why I hate Tom Crean" thread? He's not here to ruin your life anymore. Instead of saying good riddance (which I will never do because he brought us to the Big East, helped get our players a state of the art practice facility in the Al McGuire Center, brought us all time MU greats like Wade, Diener, Novak, James, McNeal, and Matthews), instead, you continue to act like a jilted lover who still can't seem to get over an ex even though she's moved on.

Who cares what players have transferred from MU during TC's time here, nor should it matter who leaves his program at Indiana now and in the future. The past is the past. Now is the time to get excited about a new era of Marquette basketball. We've got seven new players suiting up next season and I for one cannot wait to see this new group in action.

Rant over!

4everwarriors · « **Reply #26 on:** May 19, 2009, 04:02:32 PM »

I'm on record as not being able to stand the slimey db for the last 5 years that he was on MU's payroll.

Nukem2 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 19, 2009, 04:08:59 PM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 19, 2009, 04:02:32 PM

I'm on record as not being able to stand the slimey db for the last 5 years that he was on MU's payroll.

And...we should give you a gold star or something for that opinion....get over it....

Rockmic87 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 19, 2009, 05:58:21 PM »

You can bet that Crean is starting to feel pressure from Calipari now that he has turned the kentucky program around soo quickly!

rocky_warrior · « **Reply #29 on:** May 19, 2009, 06:21:18 PM »

Quote from: Rockmic87 on May 19, 2009, 05:58:21 PM

You can bet that Crean is starting to feel pressure from Calipari now that he has turned the kentucky program around soo quickly!

I think you'll need to wait a few years to tell if Calipari was a good hire. Sure he landed a great recruiting class, but can he get them to win.

Well, at least that's the line I've heard repeatedly about Buzz...

jficke13 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 20, 2009, 12:30:49 PM »

Quote from: Rockmic87 on May 19, 2009, 05:58:21 PM
You can bet that Crean is starting to feel pressure from Calipari now that he has turned the kentucky program around soo quickly!

I think you'll need to wait a few years to tell if Calipari was a good hire. Sure he landed a great recruiting class, but can he get them to win.

Well, at least that's the line I've heard repeatedly about Buzz...

--- haha now that's clever.

muarmy81 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 20, 2009, 12:54:45 PM »

Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 19, 2009, 06:21:18 PM

I think you'll need to wait a few years to tell if Calipari was a good hire. Sure he landed a great recruiting class, but can he get them to win.

Well, at least that's the line I've heard repeatedly about Buzz...

Rocky,
Probably the best post I've ever seen on this board.

Henry Sugar · « **Reply #32 on:** May 20, 2009, 01:51:43 PM »

Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 19, 2009, 06:21:18 PM

I think you'll need to wait a few years to tell if Calipari was a good hire. Sure he landed a great recruiting class, but can he get them to win.

Well, at least that's the line I've heard repeatedly about Buzz...

edit:

Absolutely. Why should we restrict ourselves to Calipari's 17 year record of being a collegiate head coach, which includes two final four appearances?

Now, if his sole head coaching experience was a 14-17 record at New Orleans, and then a 25-10 record with someone else's recruits, then we could give him the benefit of a doubt right away.

Before this kicks off any sort of crappy message board exchange, or lest I be labeled a Buzz Basher (the horror!), this post was entirely tongue in cheek. For the record, I think Buzz did a fine job coaching this past year and I'm mostly confident he'll be a good head coach.

GGGG · « **Reply #33 on:** May 21, 2009, 06:04:32 AM »

Quote from: StillAWarrior on May 19, 2009, 01:53:06 PM

Apparently he's heading to Mississippi.

A cautionary tale of why "immediate playing time" may not be the best reason for a kid to choose a school. Sometimes coming off the bench for 15 minutes a game is a better option early on.

ecompt · « **Reply #34 on:** May 21, 2009, 11:38:14 AM »

There was no way in hell MU ever, EVER would have taken a look at someone like Calipari. A slimy weasel who would drag MU's graduation rate into the gutter.

Mayor McCheese · « **Reply #35 on:** May 22, 2009, 03:06:57 PM »

Quote from: ecompt on May 21, 2009, 11:38:14 AM

There was no way in hell MU ever, EVER would have taken a look at someone like Calipari. A slimy weasel who would drag MU's graduation rate into the gutter.

Do you like winning? I would take 30 win seasons year in and year out. I agree the graduation rate would take a backseat. But lets face it, come March as we are arguing whether we should have been a 1 or 2 seed, no one would give a crap about the grad rates.

Skatastrophy · « **Reply #36 on:** May 22, 2009, 03:12:04 PM »

Quote from: Mayor McCheese on May 22, 2009, 03:06:57 PM

Do you like winning? I would take 30 win seasons year in and year out. I agree the graduation rate would take a backseat. But lets face it, come March as we are arguing whether we should have been a 1 or 2 seed, no one would give a crap about the grad rates.

I'll throw a poll up. I'd bet that residents of this forum are split pretty well on that issue. I'd have a hard time giving up our graduation rate for a few basketball wins.

*edited to add the link to the poll

Canned Goods n Ammo · « **Reply #37 on:** May 22, 2009, 03:31:26 PM »

Quote from: Mayor McCheese on May 22, 2009, 03:06:57 PM

Do you like winning? I would take 30 win seasons year in and year out. I agree the graduation rate would take a backseat. But lets face it, come March as we are arguing whether we should have been a 1 or 2 seed, no one would give a crap about the grad rates.

ya know, I don't mind if they admit some stud players who aren't the best students, as long as they keep graduating these kids.

If they start taking kids and not graduating them, I'll still be a fan, but definitely not proud of the program. MU is making a TON of money off of these kids, so I think it's the school's responsibility to recruit, coach, teach, and graduate these kids.

Just my opinion.

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 22, 2009, 04:58:12 PM »

Quote from: 2002mualum on May 22, 2009, 03:31:26 PM

ya know, I don't mind if they admit some stud players who aren't the best students, as long as they keep graduating these kids.

If they start taking kids and not graduating them, I'll still be a fan, but definitely not proud of the program. MU is making a TON of money off of these kids, so I think it's the school's responsibility to recruit, coach, teach, and graduate these kids.

Just my opinion.

That's pretty much how I see it. Ska, maybe you could add that as a poll choice. You already know everyone loves pancakes.

Skatastrophy · « **Reply #39 on:** May 22, 2009, 07:41:49 PM »

Quote from: BrewCity on May 22, 2009, 04:58:12 PM

That's pretty much how I see it. Ska, maybe you could add that as a poll choice. You already know everyone loves pancakes.

I can't think of a concise way to word that idea to add it as a poll option. If you help me out with the wording I'll throw it up there.

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Author Topic: Nick Williams Leaving Indiana (Read 8997 times)

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