More conference realignment talk

[WhiteTrash]

31 > 21 = U of A emergency BofR meeting.

https://theathletic.com/3744588/2022/10/30/big-12-rights-espn-fox/

[Herman Cain]

Kind of interesting that Arizona is of that great of an interest to Big 12. Yes they have good basketball, which the Big 12 league commissioner likes  but their football has consistently been lousy.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/arizona/index.html

If the Wildcats leave the Pac 12, it may be the end of the road for the U Conn deal. That would be helpful for The Big East cause.

[GoldenWarrior11]

I don’t envy any of the PAC schools right now; I vividly remember 2011-2012, and the fears of eventually being left in a conference surrounded by ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, UCF, etc.  Realignment is a cruel experience if you get left out.

[Herman Cain]

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2023/7/31/23809956/pac-12-day-of-truth-further-big-12-expansion-could-bring-about-big-changes

[WeAreMarquette96]

If this is all true (BIG if), that leaves 7 teams in the PAC. I believe that is not even enough to get an autobid in the NCAA tournament (I think you need 8?)...so basically, the conference would be dead....leaving as members:

Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Stanford
Oregon State
Utah
Washington State

Does the PAC try to plug the gaps with San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State to get back to 10 teams? IMO, this might buy them a couple years but if I am Stanford, Cal, or Arizona I am not staying in that conference for very long.

SDSU, SMU, Boise State, UNLV, Colorado State, likeliest PAC candidates would be my guess

[Herman Cain]

Losing USC and UCLA for sure equals lower Pac-12 media rights. However remaining gains and losses may still enable low 20s million per year which would still  comfortably make Pac-12the 5th best conference from media rights perspective. Of course if they lose Utah and ASU it then starts too feel like Mountain West 2.0


Pac-12 gained and lost MSA
Lost
Denver 3 million
Tucson 1.2 million

Gained
San Diego 3.2 million
Dallas 7.9 million
And potentially
Las Vegas 2.3 million
Boise 0.8

[Uncle Rico]

Losing USC and UCLA for sure equals lower Pac-12 media rights. However remaining gains and losses may still enable low 20s million per year which would still  comfortably make Pac-12the 5th best conference from media rights perspective. Of course if they lose Utah and ASU it then starts too feel like Mountain West 2.0


Pac-12 gained and lost MSA
Lost
Denver 3 million
Tucson 1.2 million

Gained
San Diego 3.2 million
Dallas 7.9 million
And potentially
Las Vegas 2.3 million
Boise 0.8

Nobody and I mean nobody, is staying up late to watch any of those 4 schools play football.  You can’t replace UCLA and USC and expect media rights to be anywhere near what they’re worth.

When the Big 14 added Maryland and Rutgers to “enter” those markets, they could sell networks on the large amount of alumni situated in the northeast and DC.  You can’t with the schools you list for the Pac-12

The Pac-12 may survive but it’s clearly way down the pecking order and largely irrelevant once Oregon and Washington leave.  They blew their chance when they didn’t poach OU and Texas during the first massive changes around 2012.  They’re dumpster diving.

The Big 12 should pull the trigger and lock up the four corners and then wait and see what happens with the ACC.  The Pac-12 is done, toast, kaput. 

[WhiteTrash]

Losing USC and UCLA for sure equals lower Pac-12 media rights. However remaining gains and losses may still enable low 20s million per year which would still  comfortably make Pac-12the 5th best conference from media rights perspective. Of course if they lose Utah and ASU it then starts too feel like Mountain West 2.0


Pac-12 gained and lost MSA
Lost
Denver 3 million
Tucson 1.2 million

Gained
San Diego 3.2 million
Dallas 7.9 million
And potentially
Las Vegas 2.3 million
Boise 0.8

Adding SMU to get the DFW market is like the A10 adding Loyola to get the Chicago market.

[Herman Cain]

Adding SMU to get the DFW market is like the A10 adding Loyola to get the Chicago market.

Yes it is just like that.

[WhiteTrash]

Yes it is just like that.

And how much did the A10 TV deal change with the 10 mil Chicago market in hand?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And how much did the A10 TV deal change with the 10 mil Chicago market in hand?

I was curious so I tried to look it up but was unsuccessful. In 2012, the A10 signed a new deal where each school was getting ~$350,000 a year (remember when they were going to poach the Catholic 7?). That expired in 2021 and they reupped for three more years with ESPN and CBS Sports but I can't find anywhere where the total dollar amount is listed. I wonder if it was so bad that the A10 asked that it not be disclosed.

[Coleman]

Can someone remind me how much each Big East team currently gets with our deal with Fox Sports?

I know the deal is up for renewal soon.

[Coleman]

Can someone remind me how much each Big East team currently gets with our deal with Fox Sports?

I know the deal is up for renewal soon.

Nevermind, I found it myself. North of $4 million per team per year. Should roughly double with the next deal. Not bad for basketball only

[swoopem]

Nevermind, I found it myself. North of $4 million per team per year. Should roughly double with the next deal. Not bad for basketball only

When is the current contract up? After this year? Does that mean we should hear about the new one pretty soon?

[Coleman]

When is the current contract up? After this year? Does that mean we should hear about the new one pretty soon?

2025. Based on what I found online, negotiations began this year, so I suspect we will find out sometime in late 2023 or early 2024.

More info: https://ncaahoopsdigest.com/2021/06/18/the-big-easts-media-marriage-life-beyond-2025-with-fs1/

[79Warrior]

Arizona to Big12 tomorrow?

I think you may be right. Lots of chatter is Tucson they are going.

[WhiteTrash]

2025. Based on what I found online, negotiations began this year, so I suspect we will find out sometime in late 2023 or early 2024.

More info: https://ncaahoopsdigest.com/2021/06/18/the-big-easts-media-marriage-life-beyond-2025-with-fs1/

Hopefully the Big XII doesn't jump in front of us to get a deal done first.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Losing USC and UCLA for sure equals lower Pac-12 media rights. However remaining gains and losses may still enable low 20s million per year which would still  comfortably make Pac-12the 5th best conference from media rights perspective.

Being the 5th place conference from a media right perspective is an utter failure by Pac 12 leadership.  B10 schools will be receiving four times as much annually.  Ten years ago the P12's contract was about 2/3 of the B10s.

[WhiteTrash]

Being the 5th place conference from a media right perspective is an utter failure by Pac 12 leadership.  B10 schools will be receiving four times as much annually.  Ten years ago the P12's contract was about 2/3 of the B10s.

The gap will only increase when(not if) Oregon and Washington leave.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The gap will only increase when(not if) Oregon and Washington leave.

If those two schools leave, as well as Arizona and ASU, then the rest basically have to merge with the Mountain West and it will no longer be considered a major conference.

BTW, everyone is saying Arizona is leaving for the B12 and points to the fact that their Board of Regents is meeting tomorrow in Tucson.  However the Regents oversee both Arizona AND Arizona State, so I think they both might be gone.

[Jay Bee]

BTW, everyone is saying Arizona is leaving for the B12 and points to the fact that their Board of Regents is meeting tomorrow in Tucson.  However the Regents oversee both Arizona AND Arizona State, so I think they both might be gone.

Regents also have NAU. They gowne too? Lol

I don’t think there’s a meeting tmrw in Tucson, but there is a brief virtual meeting this afternoon. 30 minutes scheduled, and it appears they’ll quickly go into executive session.

The agenda is goofy. But, I think any interesting discussion will be in private (public portion of their meetings are live-streamed)

[Coleman]

If those two schools leave, as well as Arizona and ASU, then the rest basically have to merge with the Mountain West and it will no longer be considered a major conference.

BTW, everyone is saying Arizona is leaving for the B12 and points to the fact that their Board of Regents is meeting tomorrow in Tucson.  However the Regents oversee both Arizona AND Arizona State, so I think they both might be gone.

I have no sources but I thought I remember someone saying here on Scoop that Arizona and ASU have some of thing in place where they will only go to a new conference together. Like they have to invite both for one of them to accept. No idea if this is true or not.

[shoothoops]

I have no sources but I thought I remember someone saying here on Scoop that Arizona and ASU have some of thing in place where they will only go to a new conference together. Like they have to invite both for one of them to accept. No idea if this is true or not.

Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah may be a 3 or nothing situation.

[Uncle Rico]

I have no sources but I thought I remember someone saying here on Scoop that Arizona and ASU have some of thing in place where they will only go to a new conference together. Like they have to invite both for one of them to accept. No idea if this is true or not.

Not anymore.  The state affiliation stuff is out the window

[Herman Cain]

And how much did the A10 TV deal change with the 10 mil Chicago market in hand?

Exactly nothing.