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Title: NC State
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2024, 12:42:10 PM
Thoughts on Friday's opponent?  They've obviously been playing extremely well to win 7 games in a row, including 2 over Duke and UNC. 

In looking at KenPom and some of their advances stats (below) there's nothing they seem to do extremely well aside from take care of the basketball.  They don't shoot from 3 at a high level or a high rate.  They're not a good offensive rebounding team and they don't block a lot of shots.

Obviously Burns is a load on offense but I imagine we can take advantage of him in the P&R as well as just getting up and down the court. 

Obviously we can lose this game if we don't bring it but there's nothing jumping out at me as overly worrisome, aside from the fact they are hot right now. 

What are people's thoughts on the match-up?

KenPom Overall - 52
KenPom AdjO - 42
KenPom AdjD - 75

Not a great team from behind the arc (34.7%) or at the line (73.4%)

187th in eFG%.  95th in ORtg. 178th in FTr.  284th in 3PAr.

202nd in ORB%.

259th in AST%

Don't turn the ball over a lot (11.9% TOV% - 13th in the country).  86th in STL%.

159th in BLK% so that doesn't appear to be a concern in regards to how effective we are around the rim. 

166th in pace
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 01:17:54 PM
On a helluva run.   Congratulations.  Mad respect.    I trust MU more than I fear the Wolfpack.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: bradforster on March 25, 2024, 01:24:55 PM
Thoughts on Friday's opponent?  They've obviously been playing extremely well to win 7 games in a row, including 2 over Duke and UNC. 

In looking at KenPom and some of their advances stats (below) there's nothing they seem to do extremely well aside from take care of the basketball.  They don't shoot from 3 at a high level or a high rate.  They're not a good offensive rebounding team and they don't block a lot of shots.

Obviously Burns is a load on offense but I imagine we can take advantage of him in the P&R as well as just getting up and down the court. 

Obviously we can lose this game if we don't bring it but there's nothing jumping out at me as overly worrisome, aside from the fact they are hot right now. 

What are people's thoughts on the match-up?

KenPom Overall - 52
KenPom AdjO - 42
KenPom AdjD - 75

Not a great team from behind the arc (34.7%) or at the line (73.4%)

187th in eFG%.  95th in ORtg. 178th in FTr.  284th in 3PAr.

202nd in ORB%.

259th in AST%

Don't turn the ball over a lot (11.9% TOV% - 13th in the country).  86th in STL%.

159th in BLK% so that doesn't appear to be a concern in regards to how effective we are around the rim. 

166th in pace

I like the fact Vegas has tabbed MU as a solid six and a half point favorite.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2024, 01:36:12 PM
I like the fact Vegas has tabbed MU as a solid six and a half point favorite.

Only UConn (- 9.5) and Arizona (-7) are heavier favorites.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: avid1010 on March 25, 2024, 01:37:36 PM
I like the fact Vegas has tabbed MU as a solid six and a half point favorite.
Yup...and it looks like it will move to 7-7.5 by game time.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Jay Bee on March 25, 2024, 01:49:31 PM
NC State has the heaviest underdog aina

They are good at not turning it over. After that, lotta mediocrity

If we don’t p1ss the bed with a horrendous 3fg%, should be good

Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2024, 01:57:13 PM
Thoughts on Friday's opponent?  They've obviously been playing extremely well to win 7 games in a row, including 2 over Duke and UNC. 

In looking at KenPom and some of their advances stats (below) there's nothing they seem to do extremely well aside from take care of the basketball.  They don't shoot from 3 at a high level or a high rate.  They're not a good offensive rebounding team and they don't block a lot of shots.

Obviously Burns is a load on offense but I imagine we can take advantage of him in the P&R as well as just getting up and down the court. 

Obviously we can lose this game if we don't bring it but there's nothing jumping out at me as overly worrisome, aside from the fact they are hot right now. 

What are people's thoughts on the match-up?

KenPom Overall - 52
KenPom AdjO - 42
KenPom AdjD - 75

Not a great team from behind the arc (34.7%) or at the line (73.4%)

187th in eFG%.  95th in ORtg. 178th in FTr.  284th in 3PAr.

202nd in ORB%.

259th in AST%

Don't turn the ball over a lot (11.9% TOV% - 13th in the country).  86th in STL%.

159th in BLK% so that doesn't appear to be a concern in regards to how effective we are around the rim. 

166th in pace

They're easily the worst team remaining.

If we lose to them, I will be extremely disappointed.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 25, 2024, 02:17:50 PM
I watched NC State's game Friday.  My biggest worry right now is what time Sunday's game will be, and whether I'll be able to watch it live.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 25, 2024, 02:33:10 PM
NC State has been hot in March. 

7 game winning streak, Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, Texas Tech.   No slouches.  Over the past 25 days, they're a top 25 team, easy.

https://barttorvik.com/trank.php?year=2024&sort=&t1l=Marquette&t2l=North+Carolina+St.&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20240301&end=20240501&top=0&revquad=0&quad=4&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0

(admittedly, MU's t-rank is low due to Kolek not playing in many March games..)
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 02:35:34 PM
5 of MU's nine losses are to teams in the elite 8.    Kalkbrenner, Edey, and Clingan.    Though I do respect his abilities and accomplishments, I do not feel that Burns is in their class.  To borrow from Shaka, if MU is the best version of themselves, MU  will be the better team. 
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 25, 2024, 02:51:58 PM
We are better and confident of a win. But the thread has a purpose. We could lose if....A or B or C happens. (and not talking about crazy stuff). How did NCST beat UNC for example? What went extremely right for them and/or wrong for UNC?
Why didn't we have an easy margin over CO. I certainly thought after the game we are a double digit better team than them. Da-Silva was hot. Does NCST have a DaSilva waiting for us? Why do we let down and get so inconsistent sometimes. What is Shaka working on with his assistant coaches? What about NCST has them working. Or maybe they're just eating ice cream.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 02:54:35 PM
According to a self professed NCState fan on the Dodds board, the Wolfpack season turned around when they went away from a 4 out set and started playing two bigs together.   At the same time, they moved Burns closer to the basket and started making him more of a focal point in their offense. 
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Jay Bee on March 25, 2024, 02:59:07 PM
I watched NC State's game Friday.  My biggest worry right now is what time Sunday's game will be, and whether I'll be able to watch it live.

What time is mass?
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 25, 2024, 03:03:56 PM
I watched NC State's game Friday.  My biggest worry right now is what time Sunday's game will be, and whether I'll be able to watch it live.

Last year's Sunday regional finals were at 2:20 and 5:00 Central Time.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 25, 2024, 03:14:26 PM
What time is mass?

8:00 am Mass Sunday if need be.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2024, 03:18:25 PM
According to a self professed NCState fan on the Dodds board, the Wolfpack season turned around when they went away from a 4 out set and started playing two bigs together.   At the same time, they moved Burns closer to the basket and started making him more of a focal point in their offense.

I have a wild theory.  If you make the Sweet 16, chances are, your opponent will present a challenge.  I think the Wolfpack have been fluky/lucky but they’ve taken advantage of it.

NC State was 3-7 in Feb/March heading into the ACC Tournament.  They weren’t a bubble team at any point.  Kevin Keatts was a potential coaching casualty.

Has a switch gone off?  Possibly, I suppose and the numbers seem to indicate they’ve been a top-25 team this month.  But you’re right, Marquette is better.  And should win.  But we play the games and anything is possible but I’ll take my chances with a team that has been consistently good for 2 years.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 03:30:52 PM
MU being 56-16 is not a fluke.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2024, 03:31:22 PM
I have a wild theory.  If you make the Sweet 16, chances are, your opponent will present a challenge.  I think the Wolfpack have been fluky/lucky but they’ve taken advantage of it.

NC State was 3-7 in Feb/March heading into the ACC Tournament.  They weren’t a bubble team at any point.  Kevin Keatts was a potential coaching casualty.

Has a switch gone off?  Possibly, I suppose and the numbers seem to indicate they’ve been a top-25 team this month.  But you’re right, Marquette is better.  And should win.  But we play the games and anything is possible but I’ll take my chances with a team that has been consistently good for 2 years.

Yep.
I don't think NC State wins if MU brings its A or B+ game, but Marquette throwing up a clunker isn't an impossibility (see: March 19, 2023).
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: NickelDimer on March 25, 2024, 03:36:45 PM
Just win baby
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 25, 2024, 03:52:39 PM
Of course we can lose, but all things considered even with Nc State being "hot" you cant expect much better opportunity in the sweet 16 than a team that was not gonna make the tournament without a auto bid.

Gotta barbecue chicken Burns. Make shots and advance.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 03:54:18 PM
Lampkin was a good warm up for Burns.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2024, 03:55:21 PM
The Athletic did a re-seeding of the Sweet 16 teams.

Marquette comes in at #7 behind UConn, Purdue, Houston, UNC, Arizona and Tennessee.
Creighton is #11.

NC State? #16.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: cheebs09 on March 25, 2024, 03:58:38 PM
The Athletic did a re-seeding of the Sweet 16 teams.

Marquette comes in at #7 behind UConn, Purdue, Houston, UNC, Arizona and Tennessee.
Creighton is #11.

NC State? #16.

Ugh, it would be embarrassing to lose to a 16 seed.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 03:58:47 PM
The Athletic did a re-seeding of the Sweet 16 teams.

Marquette comes in at #7 behind UConn, Purdue, Houston, UNC, Arizona and Tennessee.
Creighton is #11.

NC State? #16.
Passed Iowa Srate?  Yippee.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 25, 2024, 04:04:53 PM
Of course we can lose, but all things considered even with Nc State being "hot" you cant expect much better opportunity in the sweet 16 than a team that was not gonna make the tournament without a auto bid.

Gotta barbecue chicken Burns. Make shots and advance.

BBQ chicken and pizza is what our players should have on the bench with them. The aromas will make Burns forget about the game.

I expect a MU win, but some of the macho talk here after the Colorado game surprises me, but just a little. We're the better team and come from a tougher conference.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 25, 2024, 04:29:52 PM
Lampkin was a good warm up for Burns.

I was thinking the same thing. Interesting that MU would face those two back to back. I was looking at their respective stats earlier today.

Lampkin was 10.6 ppg (0.579)/7.0 rpg (2.5/4.5)/2.2 apg/5 blocks/12 steal/1 DQ
Burns was 11.6 ppg (0.465)/3.3 rpg (1.25/2.05)/2.5 apg/12 blocks/7 steals/2 DQ

They are more similar than I expected. The "eye test" was that Burns is a lot more talented. The stats didn't really back that up. They're fairly comparable (although Burns has presumably played against better competition). Hopefully some of the preparation for Lampkin will be transferrable.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2024, 04:42:50 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Interesting that MU would face those two back to back. I was looking at their respective stats earlier today.

Lampkin was 10.6 ppg (0.579)/7.0 rpg (2.5/4.5)/2.2 apg/5 blocks/12 steal/1 DQ
Burns was 11.6 ppg (0.465)/3.3 rpg (1.25/2.05)/2.5 apg/12 blocks/7 steals/2 DQ

They are more similar than I expected. The "eye test" was that Burns is a lot more talented. The stats didn't really back that up. They're fairly comparable (although Burns has presumably played against better competition). Hopefully some of the preparation for Lampkin will be transferrable.

Lampkin scored 13 against us which means Burns will score 14 if it is transferable.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 25, 2024, 04:50:42 PM
Lampkin scored 13 against us which means Burns will score 14 if it is transferable.

Or maybe, having already prepared for Lampkin, they'll be better prepared and Burns will only score 8.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: willie warrior on March 25, 2024, 04:51:46 PM
The Athletic did a re-seeding of the Sweet 16 teams.

Marquette comes in at #7 behind UConn, Purdue, Houston, UNC, Arizona and Tennessee.
Creighton is #11.

NC State? #16.
only two they should be behind are Purdue and UConn.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 05:18:05 PM
I just wish MU had faced decent, or at least physical, centers prior to this game.

Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, Soriano, Oduro, Dixon, Dickinson, Dainja, Sanogo (last season, same Oso)

Someone, anyone, who might help MU prepare. If only.  Alas.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2024, 05:24:32 PM
I just wish MU had faced decent, or at least physical, centers prior to this game.

Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, Soriano, Oduro, Dixon, Dickinson, Dainja, Sanogo (last season, same Oso)

Someone, anyone, who might help MU prepare. If only.  Alas.

Dainja barely played against MU, but there was Adem Bona.
And shame on you for leaving out Steven Crowl.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 25, 2024, 05:26:52 PM
Shame on me.  Of course, 6 of MU's losses were to teams with Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, and Oduro. 7 if you add in Crowl.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 25, 2024, 05:32:27 PM
There's a picture of DJ Burns (covers half the page) and an article on NC State in the WSJ.  Is this supposed to scare me?
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 25, 2024, 05:35:09 PM
There's a picture of DJ Burns (covers half the page) and an article on NC State in the WSJ.  Is this supposed to scare me?

Wall Street Journal — knower of ball
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2024, 05:39:01 PM
There's a picture of DJ Burns (covers half the page) and an article on NC State in the WSJ.  Is this supposed to scare me?

Why would it scare you?
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 25, 2024, 06:37:50 PM
I just wish MU had faced decent, or at least physical, centers prior to this game.

Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, Soriano, Oduro, Dixon, Dickinson, Dainja, Sanogo (last season, same Oso)

Someone, anyone, who might help MU prepare. If only.  Alas.

Yeah…that’s fair. lol

Title: Re: NC State
Post by: BM1090 on March 25, 2024, 06:42:13 PM
only two they should be behind are Purdue and UConn.

I would add Houston and say MU is 4th.

But I am struggling to reconcile that you believe this but also seem to believe that our players suck.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2024, 06:57:04 PM
I would add Houston and say MU is 4th.

But I am struggling to reconcile that you believe this but also seem to believe that our players suck.

Well he’s a front runner and really, the worst kind of fan.  People like him should get none of the spoils
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 25, 2024, 07:00:15 PM
He's not even a front runner. He's just a grump.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 25, 2024, 07:05:02 PM
Well he’s a front runner and really, the worst kind of fan.  People like him should get none of the spoils

You're right.  I could take him out.....   although he outweighs me by probably 200 lbs.  Maybe I would just run.  :)
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 25, 2024, 07:20:46 PM
Well he’s a front runner and really, the worst kind of fan.  People like him should get none of the spoils

I can't wait for the spoils
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MUMountin on March 25, 2024, 10:24:12 PM
NC State has been hot in March. 

7 game winning streak, Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, Texas Tech.   No slouches.  Over the past 25 days, they're a top 25 team, easy.

https://barttorvik.com/trank.php?year=2024&sort=&t1l=Marquette&t2l=North+Carolina+St.&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20240301&end=20240501&top=0&revquad=0&quad=4&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0

(admittedly, MU's t-rank is low due to Kolek not playing in many March games..)

Yeah, top 25 since the start of (the major) conference tourneys, which isn't that surprising given their run.  Their offense has been top 20 over that stretch after being #65 before then, so they clearly have made improvements on that end.  That said, their defense has not seemed to improved much--they were #100 before the conference tourneys, and only #83 since then.  So, I'd say that we should be ready for some improved offense, but defensively they've been fairly consistent and not very impressive. 

They don't turn teams over, so hopefully we can avoid some of the unforced errors (yips?) we showed against CU.

Ed:  I posted this before seeing CS’s excellent analysis which goes into much greater detail.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: pbiflyer on March 26, 2024, 07:27:34 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Interesting that MU would face those two back to back. I was looking at their respective stats earlier today.

Lampkin was 10.6 ppg (0.579)/7.0 rpg (2.5/4.5)/2.2 apg/5 blocks/12 steal/1 DQ
Burns was 11.6 ppg (0.465)/3.3 rpg (1.25/2.05)/2.5 apg/12 blocks/7 steals/2 DQ

They are more similar than I expected. The "eye test" was that Burns is a lot more talented. The stats didn't really back that up. They're fairly comparable (although Burns has presumably played against better competition). Hopefully some of the preparation for Lampkin will be transferrable.


You didn’t do MPG. Burns averaged a lot less during the season. But in their string of victories has played about 10 minutes more a game. They switched to a two big line for the run.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Jay Bee on March 26, 2024, 08:09:20 AM
Very different guys
Lampkin… 107 ORtg, 22% Poss, 19% %Shots, 57.9% efG% (all 2’s), 12% OR% 18% DR, 14.5% asst, 24.3% TO (!!), 0.5 blk, 0.7 stl, 3.1 FC/40, 43.2% ft rate
 
Burns… 108 ORtg, 28% Poss, 29% %Shots, 52.9% eFG% (53.1% on 2’s, only 5 3FGAs), 6% OR%, 13% DR%, ast 24.5%!, to 15.5, 2.7% blk, 1.1 stl, 3.9 fc/40, 23.1%
 
Burns has always been high usage.. as a frosh took 34.0% of his team’s shots while on the floor. Marquette ultra-great future HoF Markus Howard.. 27% as a frosh, 33% as a sophomore before ramping up even more..
 
Scary thing is over the last 7… burns at 124.5 ORtg, 65.5% eFG%, OR 7.0%, DR 15.0, assist 31.4%..
 
Still, doesn’t play heavy minutes generally. He logged big MP last timeout, but the other team had Gohlke outside jacking treys, 6’6” Townsend bulk of the other load, pg watts usually higher usage.. a team jacking up wild treys is a great situation for him to “defend”. 
 
Maybe he just sags off Oso and says ‘until you’re 8 feet from the rim, do whatever’.. but then we’ll get creative with HOT action with Oso on the perimeter to create glorious chances for all.
 
As a team, I really don’t like them. I want to destroy them and I’m fine with the crap some will say, like “well MU just got lucky and played a double digit seed”.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 26, 2024, 08:09:36 AM
Looking at NC State's recent wins:

Duke shot 5-20 on 3s, lost by 5.
Virginia miracle meltdown, lost in OT.
UNC shot 8-30 on 3s, 37.3% from the field.
Texas Tech shot 7-31 on 3s, 38.7% from the field.
Oakland shot 12-35 on 3s, but only 13-33 on 2s, lost in OT.

So 3 wins when the opponent went ice cold from 3 and 2 wins in OT.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2024, 08:20:13 AM
Very different guys
Lampkin… 107 ORtg, 22% Poss, 19% %Shots, 57.9% efG% (all 2’s), 12% OR% 18% DR, 14.5% asst, 24.3% TO (!!), 0.5 blk, 0.7 stl, 3.1 FC/40, 43.2% ft rate
 
Burns… 108 ORtg, 28% Poss, 29% %Shots, 52.9% eFG% (53.1% on 2’s, only 5 3FGAs), 6% OR%, 13% DR%, ast 24.5%!, to 15.5, 2.7% blk, 1.1 stl, 3.9 fc/40, 23.1%
 
Burns has always been high usage.. as a frosh took 34.0% of his team’s shots while on the floor. Marquette ultra-great future HoF Markus Howard.. 27% as a frosh, 33% as a sophomore before ramping up even more..
 
Scary thing is over the last 7… burns at 124.5 ORtg, 65.5% eFG%, OR 7.0%, DR 15.0, assist 31.4%..
 
Still, doesn’t play heavy minutes generally. He logged big MP last timeout, but the other team had Gohlke outside jacking treys, 6’6” Townsend bulk of the other load, pg watts usually higher usage.. a team jacking up wild treys is a great situation for him to “defend”. 
 
Maybe he just sags off Oso and says ‘until you’re 8 feet from the rim, do whatever’.. but then we’ll get creative with HOT action with Oso on the perimeter to create glorious chances for all.
 
As a team, I really don’t like them. I want to destroy them and I’m fine with the crap some will say, like “well MU just got lucky and played a double digit seed”.

Burns is almost 300 and doesn't play heavy minutes?  Sounds like we should play up tempo and force him to run the floor. 
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 26, 2024, 08:22:22 AM
Burns is almost 300 and doesn't play heavy minutes?  Sounds like we should play up tempo and force him to run the floor. 

Marquette's offense is fast even in the half court. I don't expect that to change.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: pbiflyer on March 26, 2024, 09:12:11 AM
Burns is almost 300 and doesn't play heavy minutes?  Sounds like we should play up tempo and force him to run the floor.

Burns is almost 300 lbs like I was a great high school athlete.  ;D
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Viper on March 26, 2024, 10:30:43 AM
I just wish MU had faced decent, or at least physical, centers prior to this game.

Edey, Clingan, Kalkbrenner, Soriano, Oduro, Dixon, Dickinson, Dainja, Sanogo (last season, same Oso)

Someone, anyone, who might help MU prepare. If only.  Alas.
no worries. Muggsy made a call. Davante is working w/Oso. All good.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: willie warrior on March 26, 2024, 11:00:30 AM
I would add Houston and say MU is 4th.

But I am struggling to reconcile that you believe this but also seem to believe that our players suck.
Sorry you are struggling to reconcile. I do not believe MU players suck. There have been some games where the team sucked and/or some players sucked. Games that come to mind
Are Butler home, Whisky, UConn etc.
I just don't get as gushy about some of our players as others do.
Some examples IMO, Oso is not ready for NBA, he needs another year to work on his game. Gold has a ways to go before being an NBA prospect, Ross the same. Jop has been up and down this year. Kolek might just be best PG in MU history and that is saying a lot.
Getting back to the stacking of remaining teams, I do believe MU  should be third, along with IA. STATE. MU could beat any of those teams if they play their A game, except possibly UConn who is very good. Sorry if I point out MU faults occasionally, just don't get carried away like some.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 26, 2024, 11:05:42 AM
Oso is not ready for NBA, he needs another year to work on his game.

He's not taking another year, and he is appearing on pretty much all of the mock drafts that I have seen.

Furthermore he doesn't need to be in college "to work on his game." He can on an NBA or G-League bench.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: WarriorFan on March 26, 2024, 11:10:40 AM
Respect to NC State for figuring out how to win a few games.
Respect "the run" because when a team is winning they expect to win.

Then, go beat them by playing better basketball.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 26, 2024, 11:23:58 AM
Burns is almost 300 lbs like I was a great high school athlete.  ;D

Burns is a large, large, man pbi and doesn't miss many meals.

I'm sticking with 325.  :)
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: NCMUFan on March 26, 2024, 11:55:32 AM
Marquette is an anomaly in regards to avoiding the transfer portal.
Speaking to my brother in law who is a Wake Forest grad, he said he did not know anyone on the team at the beginning of the season due to the complete transferring in and out of players.
Not sure if NC State was created the same way.
But it would seem this give MU a large advantage at the beginning of the season, but maybe not as much at the end.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 26, 2024, 11:58:33 AM
Marquette is an anomaly in regards to avoiding the transfer portal.
2 P6 conference teams did not bring in anyone via the portal.  Both won at least one game in the tournament.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: NickelDimer on March 26, 2024, 12:09:31 PM
Marquette is an anomaly in regards to avoiding the transfer portal.
Speaking to my brother in law who is a Wake Forest grad, he said he did not know anyone on the team at the beginning of the season due to the complete transferring in and out of players.
Not sure if NC State was created the same way.
But it would seem this give MU a large advantage at the beginning of the season, but maybe not as much at the end.
Shaka post game “relationships are our number one advantage and I believe it won us the game”
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 26, 2024, 12:35:19 PM
Sorry if I point out MU faults occasionally

Just two games, both wins:

Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass. Only guy that came to play is Kolek.
Somebody needs to step up, or does Kolek need to carry the team.
Kam, get your head out of your ass. Or is that why you did not fare well in BEast accolades.
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass. Only guy that came to play is Kolek. (Ed: Yes, he posted this twice).
Jop and Kam contesting whose head is further embedded in their ass. Wait, Reeker wins.
Bad idea
Ramsey headstill up his ass along with Osos
Get jobs ass on the bench. He is adding nothing except dung. This is a 15 seed beating our ass
What a pile of dung.
Oso is not ready for big time.
Shaka not ready for prime time either. A 15 seed.
What an embarrassment. Over ranked, over seeded and under coached.
He is not ready for the NBA and is proving it, just like he did against UConn.
Based on this performance, something is obviously wrong. Pure dung.
Even if we pull it out, which is highly doubtful, this is obviously embarrassing.
A 15 seed.
Based on this performance, something is obviously wrong. Pure dung.
Even if we pull it out, which is highly doubtful, this is obviously embarrassing.
A 15 seed. (Yes, the idiot double posted this as well)
There is no doubt. They won't.
Kam and Oso both with their head up their ass. Please both need to come back for seasoning
He needs to do something positive
Some people don't know basketball.
Heads firmly embedded in their asses
As usual, Brick City by Gold. Officially changing his name to Brick Gold.
Very weak by him.
Joplin dorking it up on both ends of court.
Their coach telling them they are fouling way too much. That is good strategy the way we are blowing FTs
Terrible puke rebounding.
Cmon Kolek. Wake up.
Joplin wake up
Brick Gold with another brick.
yes it is. Kam only guy that came to play. But right now he is playing hero ball.
Kam is playing out of control last minute
X should continue to foul. We cant make them.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 26, 2024, 12:37:57 PM
Sorry, but who's "Ramsey?"
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 26, 2024, 12:44:43 PM
Sorry, but who's "Ramsey?"

A guy who's apparently very skilled with colonoscopies.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2024, 12:45:15 PM
Sorry, but who's "Ramsey?"

Dung’s make belief friend
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2024, 12:46:03 PM
Sorry, but who's "Ramsey?"

He meant to say "Ramsay."

(https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/game-of-thrones/2/27/Ramsay-1024.jpg?width=960)

Thankfully, we unleashed the hounds on him!
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2024, 01:02:11 PM
(https://i.giphy.com/QrM6iuWblaF56.webp)
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: wisblue on March 26, 2024, 01:12:00 PM
Even though there have not been anywhere near as many upsets of top seeded teams in the NCAA Tournament this year as there were  last year, the tournament has still provided several examples that illustrate that the difficulty of the path that a team has to follow to reach the Final Four depends a lot more on specific matchups and how the tournament plays out than what specific seed the team receives.

MU has the rare opportunity to make it to the Elite 8 without facing a team with a single digit seed. And yet, as we saw with Colorado, the fact that a team has a 10 seed does not guarantee that it will be easier to beat than a team with a higher seed.

Even if the NCAA seeding process were a perfect science. because it treats all games throughout the season equally, it does not account for teams that may be peaking at the end of the season. 11 seeds have reached the Final Four twice in the last 5 tournaments (Loyola in 2018 and UCLA in 2021).

When you see 11 seeds winning 3 of 4 against the 6 seeds, and 9 seeds winning 3 of 4 against 8 seeds (continuing the history of these games being tossups), it becomes pretty clear that the overall quality of teams on seed line X is not much different than the teams on seed line X+1.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Viper on March 26, 2024, 01:14:13 PM
Burns is a large, large, man pbi and doesn't miss many meals.

I'm sticking with 325.  :)
so, you sayin’ Davante’s work w/Oso no good, hey?
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: drewm88 on March 26, 2024, 01:45:08 PM
Last year's Sunday regional finals were at 2:20 and 5:00 Central Time.

I believe that was ET. 1:20/4:00 CT last year.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 26, 2024, 02:05:07 PM
Even though there have not been anywhere near as many upsets of top seeded teams in the NCAA Tournament this year as there were  last year, the tournament has still provided several examples that illustrate that the difficulty of the path that a team has to follow to reach the Final Four depends a lot more on specific matchups and how the tournament plays out than what specific seed the team receives.

MU has the rare opportunity to make it to the Elite 8 without facing a team with a single digit seed. And yet, as we saw with Colorado, the fact that a team has a 10 seed does not guarantee that it will be easier to beat than a team with a higher seed.

Even if the NCAA seeding process were a perfect science. because it treats all games throughout the season equally, it does not account for teams that may be peaking at the end of the season. 11 seeds have reached the Final Four twice in the last 5 tournaments (Loyola in 2018 and UCLA in 2021).

When you see 11 seeds winning 3 of 4 against the 6 seeds, and 9 seeds winning 3 of 4 against 8 seeds (continuing the history of these games being tossups), it becomes pretty clear that the overall quality of teams on seed line X is not much different than the teams on seed line X+1.


.... and you can't know what those matchups are going to be so the best thing you can do before selection sunday is to earn as high a seed as possible because that gives you the best chance of an easier path.

If you are going to be in the top 9 seed lines, it is always better to try to move up a seed line,  this is not a controversial take.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 26, 2024, 02:15:20 PM
so, you sayin’ Davante’s work w/Oso no good, hey?

Remember when you were a little boy and saw adults near you? All adults looked like giants, right? Most of us get bigger ourselves and then we are no longer awed by big people.  :D
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2024, 02:17:57 PM
Oakland's thin 6-6 center, Trey Townsend, was able to get shots he wanted pretty easily and consistently despite being much shorter and lighter than NC State's bigs. He did hit two 3s, but mostly he shot from within 5 feet of the basket - taking the kind of jump hooks and other short shots that Oso takes (and makes with great frequency). The three times he pulled from 3 he was wide open, suggesting Gold might have those looks Friday.

NC State's two post players, Burns and Middlebrooks, did have 5 offensive rebounds each against Oakland, but NCSU also surrendered 11 offensive boards to a small Oakland team. Their other tall regular, 6-10 forward Mohamed Diarra, only had 1 offensive rebound as he often drifted along the arc, but he did have 13 rebs overall.

These tall players figure to challenge us on the boards, and as others noted Burns is surprisingly nimble around the basket ... but if Oso is right, he will present a significant matchup problem for them - he is much taller than Townsend but just as quick. If Joplin plays as well as he has been lately, he also would be a difficult matchup for them.

Our backcourt is miles and miles better than theirs. Of course, so was North Carolina's ... yet NCSU beat the Tar Heels just over a week ago to get into the NCAAT.

The line seems justified to me, but any Sweet 16 opponent is and should be a dangerous one.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: wisblue on March 26, 2024, 02:18:50 PM

.... and you can't know what those matchups are going to be so the best thing you can do before selection sunday is to earn as high a seed as possible because that gives you the best chance of an easier path.

If you are going to be in the top 9 seed lines, it is always better to try to move up a seed line,  this is not a controversial take.

I don’t disagree about a team trying to get the highest seed possible, but I think it’s good to keep all of this in mind when people start getting too worked up about what seed a team is going to get or complain about what seed it receives.

When you’re talking about a spot or two on the seed list which might (or might not) mean moving to a different seed line, IMHO that  chance for an “easier” path is somewhere between nothing and insignificant.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 26, 2024, 02:18:59 PM
Just two games, both wins:

Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass. Only guy that came to play is Kolek.
Somebody needs to step up, or does Kolek need to carry the team.
Kam, get your head out of your ass. Or is that why you did not fare well in BEast accolades.
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass. Only guy that came to play is Kolek. (Ed: Yes, he posted this twice).
Jop and Kam contesting whose head is further embedded in their ass. Wait, Reeker wins.
Bad idea
Ramsey headstill up his ass along with Osos
Get jobs ass on the bench. He is adding nothing except dung. This is a 15 seed beating our ass
What a pile of dung.
Oso is not ready for big time.
Shaka not ready for prime time either. A 15 seed.
What an embarrassment. Over ranked, over seeded and under coached.
He is not ready for the NBA and is proving it, just like he did against UConn.
Based on this performance, something is obviously wrong. Pure dung.
Even if we pull it out, which is highly doubtful, this is obviously embarrassing.
A 15 seed.
Based on this performance, something is obviously wrong. Pure dung.
Even if we pull it out, which is highly doubtful, this is obviously embarrassing.
A 15 seed. (Yes, the idiot double posted this as well)
There is no doubt. They won't.
Kam and Oso both with their head up their ass. Please both need to come back for seasoning
He needs to do something positive
Some people don't know basketball.
Heads firmly embedded in their asses
As usual, Brick City by Gold. Officially changing his name to Brick Gold.
Very weak by him.
Joplin dorking it up on both ends of court.
Their coach telling them they are fouling way too much. That is good strategy the way we are blowing FTs
Terrible puke rebounding.
Cmon Kolek. Wake up.
Joplin wake up
Brick Gold with another brick.
yes it is. Kam only guy that came to play. But right now he is playing hero ball.
Kam is playing out of control last minute
X should continue to foul. We cant make them.

Final butt stuff tally - 13
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 26, 2024, 02:30:36 PM
I don’t disagree about a team trying to get the highest seed possible, but I think it’s good to keep all of this in mind when people start getting too worked up about what seed a team is going to get or complain about what seed it receives.

When you’re talking about a spot or two on the seed list which might (or might not) mean moving to a different seed line, IMHO that  chance for an “easier” path is somewhere between nothing and insignificant.

Moving within a seed line can be the difference between playing two hours down the road or on the other side of the country so I understand why fans care. Also the difference between a 1 and a 2 seed is significant, same with a 3 and 4 seed. Between a 2 and a 3? Less so
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 26, 2024, 02:32:27 PM
Just two games, both wins:

Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass. Only guy that came to play is Kolek.
Somebody needs to step up, or does Kolek need to carry the team.
Kam, get your head out of your ass. Or is that why you did not fare well in BEast accolades.
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass. Only guy that came to play is Kolek. (Ed: Yes, he posted this twice).
Jop and Kam contesting whose head is further embedded in their ass. Wait, Reeker wins.
Bad idea
Ramsey headstill up his ass along with Osos
Get jobs ass on the bench. He is adding nothing except dung. This is a 15 seed beating our ass
What a pile of dung.
Oso is not ready for big time.
Shaka not ready for prime time either. A 15 seed.
What an embarrassment. Over ranked, over seeded and under coached.
He is not ready for the NBA and is proving it, just like he did against UConn.
Based on this performance, something is obviously wrong. Pure dung.
Even if we pull it out, which is highly doubtful, this is obviously embarrassing.
A 15 seed.
Based on this performance, something is obviously wrong. Pure dung.
Even if we pull it out, which is highly doubtful, this is obviously embarrassing.
A 15 seed. (Yes, the idiot double posted this as well)
There is no doubt. They won't.
Kam and Oso both with their head up their ass. Please both need to come back for seasoning
He needs to do something positive
Some people don't know basketball.
Heads firmly embedded in their asses
As usual, Brick City by Gold. Officially changing his name to Brick Gold.
Very weak by him.
Joplin dorking it up on both ends of court.
Their coach telling them they are fouling way too much. That is good strategy the way we are blowing FTs
Terrible puke rebounding.
Cmon Kolek. Wake up.
Joplin wake up
Brick Gold with another brick.
yes it is. Kam only guy that came to play. But right now he is playing hero ball.
Kam is playing out of control last minute
X should continue to foul. We cant make them.
Big meanie head.   Willie needs to be able to speak his truth without challenge.

Oh, wait, by saying this, I am criticizing you for speaking your truth.  My apologies for not spotting this hypocrisy sooner.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2024, 02:35:03 PM
The Athletic ranked the S16 matchups 1-8 ... and not surprisingly, our game is #8. Here's their take:

Can NC State really keep this up? The Wolfpack won five games in five days at the ACC tournament just to get into the field and then needed overtime to survive the second round against Oakland. They must be grateful not to have to play again until Friday. Marquette will have to deal with the massive DJ Burns Jr. inside, but the Golden Eagles got a pretty good practice run for that against Colorado’s mountainous Eddie Lampkin Jr. On paper, Marquette should be a solid favorite here. But there’s no real explanation for this NC State run.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: CountryRoads on March 26, 2024, 02:43:14 PM
Feel some 2013 Miami vibes with this game. Nothing to do with the opponent, just think MU will be playing loose and firing on all cylinders. With the first weekend pressure out of the way, think they will ball out this weekend.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: BM1090 on March 26, 2024, 02:45:50 PM
I said this against Colorado too, but it was more me being an optimist than anything based in reality.

In this game, I truly think MU wins by 10+.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 26, 2024, 02:53:06 PM
so, you sayin’ Davante’s work w/Oso no good, hey?

Viper,

Both guys have the ability  to lean on you and impact your balance.  They're land manatees with surprising quicks to a degree.  The counter is for Oso to run Burns to death and take him to school off the dribble. 
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 26, 2024, 02:55:27 PM
We should read 0.0 press clippings about this game.  It's irrelevant if we're favored.
Take care of fking business with eagle-eye focus. 
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 26, 2024, 02:55:39 PM
A second option is to secure defensive rebounds and push the ball at every opportunity.   
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Herman Cain on March 26, 2024, 03:00:22 PM
MU is a Whole is Greater Than The Sum of Parts team. TyKo is the director of The Orchestra. As long as we stick to our formula of moving the ball and not a lot of extra dribbling, we should do well.

Was super impressed with Jop's quick hands and Chase Ross and his pogo stick blocks on defense against The Buffs. That was a nice addition to our regular swarming ball hawking defense. So hopefully more of that.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: wadesworld on March 26, 2024, 03:01:36 PM
MU is a Whole is Greater Than The Sum of Parts team. TyKo is the director of The Orchestra. As long as we stick to our formula of moving the ball and not a lot of extra dribbling, we should do well.

Was super impressed with Jop's quick hands and Chase " Cy " Young and his pogo stick blocks on defense against The Buffs. That was a nice addition to our regular swarming ball hawking defense. So hopefully more of that.

Chase Young ("Cy" or not) is a football player, and certainly not on Marquette's basketball team.

Marquette's parts are pretty damn good.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 26, 2024, 03:06:53 PM
MU is a Whole is Greater Than The Sum of Parts team. TyKo is the director of The Orchestra. As long as we stick to our formula of moving the ball and not a lot of extra dribbling, we should do well.

Was super impressed with Jop's quick hands and Chase " Cy " Young and his pogo stick blocks on defense against The Buffs. That was a nice addition to our regular swarming ball hawking defense. So hopefully more of that.

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on March 26, 2024, 03:26:10 PM
I believe that was ET. 1:20/4:00 CT last year.

I went into my guide on Directv last night and set both games to record but I didn't write down the exact times but think it was more around 2 and 5:30
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Viper on March 26, 2024, 03:27:58 PM
Viper,

Both guys have the ability  to lean on you and impact your balance.  They're land manatees with surprising quicks to a degree.  The counter is for Oso to run Burns to death an take him to school off the dribble.
…And-1!! Make his largeness run run run and run some more. (and hit your free throws 😉) MU by 10!!
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 26, 2024, 03:31:05 PM
…And-1!! Make his largeness run run run and run some more. (and hit your free throws 😉) MU by 10!!

This is what Marquette is going to do.

https://twitter.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1772340795988684984
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Captain Quette on March 26, 2024, 03:48:27 PM
NC state will likely take atep back on D, pack the paint, and force us to shoot 15+ foot jumpers.

Thus, we win if:
1. Shoot high percentage from 3,
2. Get some points off our pick and roll (believe NC st may struggle with this),
3. Oso getting a double, double,
4. Significant ball pressure when we are on D.

Burns is going to get some points.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Herman Cain on March 26, 2024, 03:54:24 PM
Chase Young ("Cy" or not) is a football player, and certainly not on Marquette's basketball team.

Marquette's parts are pretty damn good.
Correction noted.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 26, 2024, 04:33:44 PM
NC state will likely take atep back on D, pack the paint, and force us to shoot 15+ foot jumpers.
If by 15'+ jumpers you also mean shots besides three pointers, the over/under is 1.5 and they will either consist of an Oso push shot from the FT line or a desperation shot as the time clock expires.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: HouWarrior on March 26, 2024, 04:36:03 PM
The 2024 NCAA South regional is the convergence of my historical NCAA BB fandom.

In 1977 I enjoyed being an MU student, Al McGuire and an NCAA championship. Best moment of my fandom life, to this day.

 I graduate MU and I move on to UH for law school. UH rewards me with 1983 Phi Slamma Jama, Olajuwon, Drexler, Guy V., et al.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqMHID2iDRE

We (UH) win the semifinal game vs Louisville and clearly, I am on the verge of attending 2 universities as they become NCAA champs. Wow what a cool thing

Oh sure, there is  NC State who got hot in the ACC Tourney and kept eaking out wins in the opposite bracket. But this was not David Thompson's 74 NC State...this was just an upstart. No problem.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxN9_SZhHns

Super confident, I went from my fan life pinnacle of 77 to the depth of the 83 last second loss to NC State. A lifetime hurt. ESPN does two 30 for 30s on this one tourney (see above). Epic

Only the '95 NBA Rockets amazing champ run with Olajuwon and Drexler provides any solace here. Guy V Lewis was a longtime friend and client. We coped with the 1983 loss by simply never speaking of it.

MU, UH, NC State....and well Duke (the team I have loved to hate throughout this period).

The South regional brings this all back to my memory.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on March 26, 2024, 04:37:31 PM
Burns is a large, large, man pbi and doesn't miss many meals.

I'm sticking with 325.  :)

Heard Burns’ NILsponsor is Golden Corral
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: avid1010 on March 26, 2024, 05:20:52 PM
If by 15'+ jumpers you also mean shots besides three pointers, the over/under is 1.5 and they will either consist of an Oso push shot from the FT line or a desperation shot as the time clock expires.
I'd take the under ;D
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Jay Bee on March 26, 2024, 05:21:35 PM
Heard Burns’ NILsponsor is Golden Corral

Actually, he is banned from eating there.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: YaBlueIt on March 26, 2024, 05:43:35 PM
Actually, he is banned from eating there.

NOT all you can eat!
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2024, 05:59:49 PM
I said this against Colorado too, but it was more me being an optimist than anything based in reality.

In this game, I truly think MU wins by 10+.

Idk about all that 10+ business.

NC State has high powered guards and the are all feeling good right now. Diarra is incredibly athletic.

Should be a really good game.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 26, 2024, 06:12:37 PM
NOT all you can eat!

I've been told by reliable sources that in Tokyo, Osaka, and the major Japanese cities, the restaurant owners are always greatly concerned when a Sumo contingent walks through the door.  I think they changed the buffet model there because they were losing a boatload of coin.  :)
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2024, 06:18:52 PM
NC State has high powered guards and the are all feeling good right now.

DJ Horne is a good player, who hits about 40% of his 3s. But if he's a "high-powered guard," what is Kam? No other guard on their roster is even close to Horne.

And obviously, they have nobody in the same stratosphere as Kolek. O'Connell, their leading assist guy (3.2), averages under 6 ppg. Nor do they have a defensive dawg like Stevie.

By pretty much any metric, we have a HUGE advantage at guard.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2024, 06:19:29 PM
DJ Horne is a good player, who hits about 40% of his 3s. But if he's a "high-powered guard," what is Kam? No other guard on their roster is even close to Horne.

And obviously, they have nobody in the same stratosphere as Kolek. O'Connell, their leading assist guy (3.2), averages under 6 ppg. Nor do they have a defensive dawg like Stevie.

By pretty much any metric, we have a HUGE advantage at guard.

They’re better than Radford and Keatts just gets it done
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 26, 2024, 06:21:07 PM
DJ Horne is a good player, who hits about 40% of his 3s. But if he's a "high-powered guard," what is Kam? No other guard on their roster is even close to Horne.

And obviously, they have nobody in the same stratosphere as Kolek. O'Connell, their leading assist guy (3.2), averages under 6 ppg. Nor do they have a defensive dawg like Stevie.

By pretty much any metric, we have a HUGE advantage at guard.

They get good FGA's when Burns touches the ball.  I would run him to death, force him right, and selectively double. 
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: DoctorV on March 26, 2024, 06:32:46 PM
They get good FGA's when Burns touches the ball.  I would run him to death, force him right, and selectively double.

Everything I’ve seen of Burns, which isn’t a ton, and most of which I’ve read of him screams “extremely big big that has elite vision and can pass very well”

So, in that case, I think it would benefit Marquette to not let him get other guys easy buckets. Make him work, but let him shoot.
I assume his assist come because teams double and he finds the open guy heading to the hoop.
So, if you decide to double, don’t let the cutter glide to the basket open, but instead make him make a crosscourt pass for 3.

More importantly than all of that, as we mentioned versus Colorados big, isolate him in space and make him run so he can grab some bench.
If he camps out, they are daring you to take the 3, so don’t. Go at him with screen and rolls and get guys diving at him at the hoop and laying it up all over his ass, while drawing some fouls
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 26, 2024, 06:38:47 PM
Everything I’ve seen of Burns, which isn’t a ton, and most of which I’ve read of him screams “extremely big big that has elite vision and can pass very well”

So, in that case, I think it would benefit Marquette to not let him get other guys easy buckets. Make him work, but let him shoot.
I assume his assist come because teams double and he finds the open guy heading to the hoop.
So, if you decide to double, don’t let the cutter glide to the basket open, but instead make him make a crosscourt pass for 3.

More importantly than all of that, as we mentioned versus Colorados big, isolate him in space and make him run so he can grab some bench.
If he camps out, they are daring you to take the 3, so don’t. Go at him with screen and rolls and get guys diving at him at the hoop and laying it up all over his ass, while drawing some fouls

The young man is extremely skilled Dr. V.  He's a bigger lefty Davante but a better passer.  I think we're better off making him score 25 than recklessly doubling..   
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: DoctorV on March 26, 2024, 07:33:42 PM
The young man is extremely skilled Dr. V.  He's a bigger lefty Davante but a better passer.  I think we're better off making him score 25 than recklessly doubling..

Someone on here, tamu maybe, mentioned that if lampkin scored 20 it’s probably a good thing for Marquette.
Maybe it’s the same for Burns.

I know we shouldn’t discount anyone’s skills, especially a big dude when covering him with a bunch of skinny dudes, but it’s hard for me to get worked up about a polished davante with this team we’ve got.

Hope I’m not wrong
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 26, 2024, 07:39:11 PM
Someone on here, tamu maybe, mentioned that if lampkin scored 20 it’s probably a good thing for Marquette.
Maybe it’s the same for Burns.

I know we shouldn’t discount anyone’s skills, especially a big dude when covering him with a bunch of skinny dudes, but it’s hard for me to get worked up about a polished davante with this team we’ve got.

Hope I’m not wrong

You're not wrong.  Although there are days where I do wonder how dominant I would have been at that size with my skill-set and zoomability.  :)
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: avid1010 on March 26, 2024, 07:47:23 PM
It's fascinating to me that we are talking about Burns.  I think his weight just draws attention...  i get he has been scoring recently, but 13 pts, 4 boards and 3 assists doesn't mean much to me.  Clinghan is a problem for us...guys like Burns and his 4 rebounds and .5 blocks per game is a break for MU.

MU will send a hard double just as they've done all year long..especially in that short corner.

Horne going off is a concern...Stevie should have his number...and while I haven't watched many NC State games I don't see him being dangerous in the pick and roll the way MU guards it (switch everything). 

-6.5 means about a 70-75% chance of victory.  In a 7 game series this is an afterthought.  In the NCAA, anything can happen, but this sets up nicely for MU.  Colorado is certainly better than NC State...
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 26, 2024, 08:19:08 PM
i'm dying to see oso or whoever ends up mismatched with burns, pull the chair out from him...btw, they have him listed at 275!?! can't be the same guys
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MuggsyB on March 26, 2024, 08:22:59 PM
i'm dying to see oso or whoever ends up mismatched with burns, pull the chair out from him...btw, they have him listed at 275!?! can't be the same guys

🚀,

There's a 0.0% chance he's 275.  :)
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2024, 08:26:08 PM
Oh, I dunno.  People believe some wild things when it comes to height and weight
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2024, 10:21:07 PM
People believe some wild things when it comes to height and weight

“Mr. Burns, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever to play center against Marquette.” - NC State physician Harold Bornstein
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: CountryRoads on March 26, 2024, 10:27:32 PM
🚀,

There's a 0.0% chance he's 275.  :)

Awkward interview:

https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1772790141590900882?s=46
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Jay Bee on March 27, 2024, 07:45:35 AM
Jim McIlvaine had a strong tweet last week - asked why mbb weights are listed and often talked about, but not so for wbb?

Need the equity folks to correct this, please
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: avid1010 on March 27, 2024, 07:53:01 AM
Jim McIlvaine had a strong tweet last week - asked why mbb weights are listed and often talked about, but not so for wbb?

Need the equity folks to correct this, please
hahahaha
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: YaBlueIt on March 27, 2024, 10:09:31 AM
Jop will need to have another good rebounding night. While Burns doesn't grab boards, Diarra is an athletic big with some range and will definitely be crashing the glass from the weak side off of Burns' shot attempts. Have to keep a body on him and box out when the shot goes up.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: cheebs09 on March 27, 2024, 10:11:23 AM
I've seen some posts on their board that Diarra is fasting for Ramadan. Based on the timing of the game, he will not be able to eat and drink that day until late.

Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MUCam on March 27, 2024, 10:24:38 AM
The 2024 NCAA South regional is the convergence of my historical NCAA BB fandom.

In 1977 I enjoyed being an MU student, Al McGuire and an NCAA championship. Best moment of my fandom life, to this day.

 I graduate MU and I move on to UH for law school. UH rewards me with 1983 Phi Slamma Jama, Olajuwon, Drexler, Guy V., et al.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqMHID2iDRE

We (UH) win the semifinal game vs Louisville and clearly, I am on the verge of attending 2 universities as they become NCAA champs. Wow what a cool thing

Oh sure, there is  NC State who got hot in the ACC Tourney and kept eaking out wins in the opposite bracket. But this was not David Thompson's 74 NC State...this was just an upstart. No problem.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxN9_SZhHns

Super confident, I went from my fan life pinnacle of 77 to the depth of the 83 last second loss to NC State. A lifetime hurt. ESPN does two 30 for 30s on this one tourney (see above). Epic

Only the '95 NBA Rockets amazing champ run with Olajuwon and Drexler provides any solace here. Guy V Lewis was a longtime friend and client. We coped with the 1983 loss by simply never speaking of it.

MU, UH, NC State....and well Duke (the team I have loved to hate throughout this period).

The South regional brings this all back to my memory.

A fun read. Thanks. Deserving of acknowledgement.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: swoopem on March 27, 2024, 10:28:49 AM
I've seen some posts on their board that Diarra is fasting for Ramadan. Based on the timing of the game, he will not be able to eat and drink that day until late.

I wonder if he’s practicing all week. I can’t imagine going through a college practice without water
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 27, 2024, 10:49:55 AM
I think the key will be how the defense plays Burns. Imo we cannot double because of Burns passing ability. Do we play Oso or Jop on burns? I would say Oso but he cannot get in foul trouble of this shifts our defensive drastically.

On offense Osos floating is going to be key. Ball screens will eat Burns alive and allow Kolek to drive with his left for easy uncontested layups. Burns will more than likely be playing a drop defense as well.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2024, 10:53:38 AM
I have only watched NC State against Oakland this year.  Oakland was sending 3 to Burns and was letting him catch the ball pretty deep.  And Oakland wasn't exactly the most physical defenders being thrown to him, and they didn't seem to be super aggressive.

For anyone who has seen more of NC State, how good is Burns when the double comes early and aggressively, and with a bit more length than Oakland has?  I think we'll be prepared.  He'll create a few open opportunities for his teammates, but I think hard doubles early on the catch and rotating will be better than leaving Oso on an island.

Pick and roll him to death on the other end and force NC State to make a decision on whether to leave him in the game or not.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2024, 10:55:53 AM
I think the key will be how the defense plays Burns. Imo we cannot double because of Burns passing ability. Do we play Oso or Jop on burns? I would say Oso but he cannot get in foul trouble of this shifts our defensive drastically.

On offense Osos floating is going to be key. Ball screens will eat Burns alive and allow Kolek to drive with his left for easy uncontested layups. Burns will more than likely be playing a drop defense as well.

MU has doubled down all year in the post.  While Shaka will mix up looks, I don't see any deviation from that.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MUbiz on March 27, 2024, 11:05:28 AM
67 seconds of UNC absolutely roasting DJ Burns in ball-screens: https://twitter.com/AndrewKurzeja/status/1745285934948470955

I want to see a healthy does of Oso TK pick n rolls.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 27, 2024, 11:07:38 AM
Barbecue chicken.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 27, 2024, 11:11:05 AM
67 seconds of UNC absolutely roasting DJ Burns in ball-screens: https://twitter.com/AndrewKurzeja/status/1745285934948470955

I want to see a healthy does of Oso TK pick n rolls.

Exactly. And a big reason NC State beat UNC in the ACC final is largely because UNC couldn't hit their shots. RJ Davis had a ton of open looks that game that he just missed.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2024, 11:21:37 AM
DJ Horne is a good player, who hits about 40% of his 3s. But if he's a "high-powered guard," what is Kam? No other guard on their roster is even close to Horne.

And obviously, they have nobody in the same stratosphere as Kolek. O'Connell, their leading assist guy (3.2), averages under 6 ppg. Nor do they have a defensive dawg like Stevie.

By pretty much any metric, we have a HUGE advantage at guard.

Taylor was a solid player for Butler and has familiarity with us.

Morsell is just a solid overall player and O'Connell is on fire since getting an expanded role. Scoring double figures 6 of the last 7 games.

Obviously I think our guards are better, but NC State can hang.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: NickelDimer on March 27, 2024, 01:54:33 PM
67 seconds of UNC absolutely roasting DJ Burns in ball-screens: https://twitter.com/AndrewKurzeja/status/1745285934948470955

I want to see a healthy does of Oso TK pick n rolls.
I’m sure they’ll play a lot more drop with Oso’s limited shooting range but we should still have plenty of success. Kolek should feast with that space.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Big Papi on March 27, 2024, 02:37:07 PM
I just hope he doesn't fall on one of our guys........splat.  In all seriousness, Oso should have at least 5 dunks in this game with the dimes Kolek and Kam can provide off of drives.  Have to stay out of foul trouble.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MU82 on March 27, 2024, 04:57:42 PM
Taylor was a solid player for Butler and has familiarity with us.

Morsell is just a solid overall player and O'Connell is on fire since getting an expanded role. Scoring double figures 6 of the last 7 games.

Obviously I think our guards are better, but NC State can hang.

Thank you for acknowledging that none really is a “high-powered guard.”

Doesn’t mean I think they stink, nor did I even imply that. We’re just not facing a Curry or Jordan or even a guard as “high-powered” as Kam Jones.

As you said, our guards are simply better. Which isn’t surprising, as they’re better than most.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MUMountin on March 28, 2024, 11:25:44 AM
67 seconds of UNC absolutely roasting DJ Burns in ball-screens: https://twitter.com/AndrewKurzeja/status/1745285934948470955

I want to see a healthy does of Oso TK pick n rolls.

Just one note that this was from earlier this season, before they had a come-to-Jesus meeting with Burns about his weight and conditioning, as outlined in this piece in the Atlantic: https://theathletic.com/5369796/2024/03/27/dj-burns-nc-state-sweet-16-march-madness/?source=user_shared_article.

That said, clearly MU should still try to exploit him in PNR, but just be aware that this video may have been around the nadir of his performance this season, so take it with a grain of salt. 
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Sturgeon General Warrior on March 28, 2024, 12:34:46 PM
I've been told by reliable sources that in Tokyo, Osaka, and the major Japanese cities, the restaurant owners are always greatly concerned when a Sumo contingent walks through the door.  I think they changed the buffet model there because they were losing a boatload of coin.  :)

Tyoko and Osoka are gonna put on an all-you-can-eat BBQ chicken pick-and-roll buffet 
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 29, 2024, 11:02:02 AM
How are we feelin' this morning?

Not sure how to feel about this game other than just anxious to see it get started.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Pakuni on March 29, 2024, 11:06:14 AM
Lines have moved to -7 and even -7.5 in some places.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 29, 2024, 11:21:59 AM
80-69 MU.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: PointWarrior on March 29, 2024, 11:36:13 AM
How are we feelin' this morning?

Not sure how to feel about this game other than just anxious to see it get started.


Double digit win
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: dgies9156 on March 29, 2024, 11:38:53 AM
At this level, it will be a tough game. I’m confident we will win, but they are on a roll and it won’t be easy.

It’s Go Time!
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Goose on March 29, 2024, 11:40:50 AM
dgies

It's Go Time!!! Cannot wait for tipoff.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: GurneeHitchkr on March 29, 2024, 12:03:52 PM
After all of last night's upsets and close games, I am a nervous wreck and still have 6 hours to go to tip off.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: tower912 on March 29, 2024, 12:06:30 PM
Off to Good Friday mass to help find inner peace.   
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2024, 12:11:40 PM
dgies

It's Go Time!!! Cannot wait for tipoff.

I confess to being a Marquette Worrier before almost every game (DePaul and Georgetown were exceptions). It's just the way I am wired. So, for me to write earlier in this thread that I was "cautiously optimistic", translated, means "we will definitely win".   :D
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Goose on March 29, 2024, 12:32:40 PM
Snoop

I have never been more cautious in my posts or comments as I have been this NCAA. It truly is one game at a time and not making any bold comments. That said, I like the experience this team is bringing to the game. It is a building process, and they definitely are well prepared for any challenge.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: MU82 on March 29, 2024, 12:38:31 PM
Excited for another opportunity to watch Marquette play well again and prevail again.

My wife, daughter and I are going to our local MU club's gathering - at a bar that no doubt will include plenty of NC State fans. Should be fun!

We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2024, 01:01:33 PM
Snoop

I have never been more cautious in my posts or comments as I have been this NCAA. It truly is one game at a time and not making any bold comments. That said, I like the experience this team is bringing to the game. It is a building process, and they definitely are well prepared for any challenge.

Well said Goose. I think this will be a case of Marquette's total game resulting in a win. By total, I mean our clamp down defense, Kam and our other 3 point shooters, Kolek (of course  :D ), spacing. ball movement, Stevie, Oso etc. collectively will be more than NC State can match or handle. Oh, and let's not forget our COY Shaka. In other words, we can win without an A+ performance in all aspects of the game. We are that good.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: willie warrior on March 29, 2024, 01:15:01 PM
Crush their ass. keep winning so we can take on UConn again.
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2024, 01:29:05 PM
Crush their ass. keep winning so we can take on UConn again.

First butt stuff of the day
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Jay Bee on March 29, 2024, 01:30:51 PM
First butt stuff of the day

More to… come?
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2024, 04:03:26 PM
More to… come?

Dung never stops
Title: Re: NC State
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 29, 2024, 06:45:29 PM
This is the 1st time this tournament I have felt bad about where we are.

Feels like we are in a danger zone at the U4 in the 1st half here.