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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: LON on March 04, 2010, 10:06:09 AM
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/86348087.html
Apologies if this has already been brought up...
EDIT: Put an 'e' on Wild
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Hopefully the next guy appreciates The Marquette Warriors and changes our name.
:P
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Oh wow - that would be when my daughter starts at MU if she selects to go there - he has been 100% positive for Marquette and has led our university with tru skill for about 14 years. I persoanlly will be sorry to see him step down - he has had a tremendously positive impact on our school.
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Just came here to post this... hopefully the next guy is willing to put as much time and effort (and money) into the bball program. Father Wilde wasn't half bad :)
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/86348087.html
Apologies if this has already been brought up...
EDIT: Put an 'e' on Wild
Glad to see this guy go. Hopefully, MU will bring in someone who will consider bringing back the Warriors name. It's nice to see, though, that the article does accurately say that Wild "vigorously opposed" the Warriors name. I remember some defending him saying he personally wanted it back, which was never the case.
edit: little respect, hey.
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A good person who understood athletics within the context of higher education.
And a million times better than the disaster known as DiUlio.
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The name isn't coming back no matter who the president is.
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Glad to see the arrogant prick go. Hopefully, MU will bring in someone who will consider bringing back the Warriors name. It's nice to see, though, that the article does accurately say that Wilde "vigorously opposed" the Warriors name. I remember some defending him saying he personally wanted it back, which was never the case.
I've never seen any sign that this was the case. Care to elaborate or are you just sore about the nickname?
And be careful what you wish for, the next guy might not be willing to commit as many resources to the hoops program, which would be an umitigated disaster of epic proportions. It would be much worse than any stupid nickname issue.
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We called him "Wild" Bob Wild when he was a professor.
Big shoes to fill. Not Fr. Raynor big, but right behind him.
Correct spelling is "Wild"
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Glad to see the arrogant prick go. Hopefully, MU will bring in someone who will consider bringing back the Warriors name. It's nice to see, though, that the article does accurately say that Wilde "vigorously opposed" the Warriors name. I remember some defending him saying he personally wanted it back, which was never the case.
Agreed.
Clearly the nickname is holding MU back.
Record enrollment
Record applications (yes, I know applications are up for most schools, but still...)
Big East
New Buildings all over campus
Donations are up
Etc. etc.
Clearly Fr Wild and "golden eagles" have been holding MU back.
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A good person who understood athletics within the context of higher education.
And a million times better than the disaster known as DiUlio.
I'll never understand why people hammer DiUlio and brownnose Wilde. One would blow you off with a scowl, the other blows you off with a smile. Same end result, just a different style.
And I'm not defending DiUlio at all. I had dealings with the guy about the nickname issue when I was on student govt at MU on some mascot committee, and he was as obnoxious as you can believe. But Wilde holds the same PC beliefs but just smiles when he dismisses your views.
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Glad to see the arrogant prick go.
That's just wrong. He may be the best president MU ever had, (with much respect to Father Raynor). Yes, I strongly disagree with his position on the nickname, but stack that up against all he's done for the University as a whole, AND the resources he's allowed to be funneled into the athletic department.
And, he's not arrogant at all. Extremely approachable, affable, and easy going.
And it's Wild, not Wilde.
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Glad to see the arrogant prick go.
Wow, you've made some outrageous posts, but this is completely uncalled for. Fr. Wild has arguably done as much good for MU as anyone. If you want arrogant pricks, you should go visit DiUlio.
The selection of Fr. Wild's replacement could be a pivotal moment for the University, not to mention the basketball program.
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Search committee jokes commence in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
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Glad to see the arrogant prick go. Hopefully, MU will bring in someone who will consider bringing back the Warriors name. It's nice to see, though, that the article does accurately say that Wilde "vigorously opposed" the Warriors name. I remember some defending him saying he personally wanted it back, which was never the case.
you kind of have tunnel vision on this whole Warriors thing.
Wild has done a lot of great things for the campus
how bout MU joining the Big East?
How bout his successful fundraising endeavors?
The buildings that were put up during his tenure? At least 7 new buildings have gone up, with more planned
The increase in applications and the competitiveness in enrollment?
Would you throw that all away to get DiUlio and the Warriors Nickname back?
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And be careful what you wish for, the next guy might not be willing to commit as many resources to the hoops program, which would be an umitigated disaster of epic proportions. It would be much worse than any stupid nickname issue.
+1.
This is a bigger hire than any basketball coach. Marquette cannot afford to swing and miss on this one. Hope the trustees get this right.
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Can't wait for the "I like the new president, but I don't like the hiring process" crowd to show up.
Also, gumbyandpokey quoted himself verbatim twice in this thread - who's the arrogant prick NOW???
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Hopefully the next guy appreciates The Marquette Warriors and changes our name.
:P
Unfortunately, the president can't (that is to say, won't) make that decision. You'll likely have to wait for other people to retire for that to even be a possibility.
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I'll never understand why people hammer DiUlio and brownnose Wilde. One would blow you off with a scowl, the other blows you off with a smile. Same end result, just a different style.
And I'm not defending DiUlio at all. I had dealings with the guy about the nickname issue when I was on student govt at MU on some mascot committee, and he was as obnoxious as you can believe. But Wilde holds the same PC beliefs but just smiles when he dismisses your views.
You seem to really be focused a little too much on the nickname issue. There is pretty much nothing about Marquette that hasn't improved since he took over. Raynor was great...but he stuck around too long. DiUlio was a disaster. Wild is getting out on top.
And bma is right...and I've come to the realization *why* he is right a few weeks ago. You could get the biggest "Warrior" supporter out there as President, and the nickname will not change.
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NOOOOOOOOOO...........This is not good news......Father Wild and Father Raynor were the absolute best we have ever had.......THey both realized the Value the Men's Basketball team, and how much it means to the University as a whole........The current president of St. Joe's should be on the short list.......
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This awful news . . . He was a great, great President. Sad day.
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NOOOOOOOOOO...........This is not good news......Father Wild and Father Raynor were the absolute best we have ever had.......THey both realized the Value the Men's Basketball team, and how much it means to the University as a whole........The current president of St. Joe's should be on the short list.......
Father Tim Lannon. He'd be a great choice and sits on MU's BOT right now. I wonder if MU will also look at Father Schlegel over at Creighton, who spent time at MU in the 80s.
Father Wild will be missed, he's done a terrific job at the helm.
Schlegel, http://www.creighton.edu/administration/president/
Lannon, http://www.mu.edu/about/leadership/lannon.shtml
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Can't wait for the "I like the new president, but I don't like the hiring process" crowd to show up.
Going for an internal hire? If so can we start the Draft Father Naus movement?
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you kind of have tunnel vision on this whole Warriors thing.
Wild has done a lot of great things for the campus
how bout MU joining the Big East?
How bout his successful fundraising endeavors?
The buildings that were put up during his tenure? At least 7 new buildings have gone up, with more planned
The increase in applications and the competitiveness in enrollment?
Would you throw that all away to get DiUlio and the Warriors Nickname back?
I'd certainly trade the buildings for the Warriors name.
It's funny, I always get calls from MU asking for money from some kid and I always tell them they won't get a cent from me until they bring back the Warriors name. Then the kid always says that they hear that a lot, and I tell them not to call again. But like clockwork, the next call will come in a month or two.
BTW, for anyone wondering, I did graduate from MU. I was on ASMU at the time of the mascot/nickname fiasco with DiUlio and worked for the University (rec center, Athletic Dept), as well.
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Going for an internal hire? If so can we start the Draft Father Naus movement?
Maybe MU can name somebody to be the interim president -- then interview no other candidates before declaring that person the permanent hire after a sufficient period of time.
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+1.
This is a bigger hire than any basketball coach. Marquette cannot afford to swing and miss on this one. Hope the trustees get this right.
Let's be realistic about this. If we go the Jesuit route, and not the Georgetown route, Fr. Wild will have a ton of say in who replaces him.
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The smart money is on Fr. Timothy Lannon as Marquette's new Pres. He's a SJ from the Wisconsin Province, currently on loan to St. Joseph's University out East.
Former Marquette Executive VP and current member of Marquette's Board of Trustees. Nice guy too.
"The beauty lies in the simplicity."
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The smart money is on Fr. Timothy Lannon as Marquette's new Pres. He's a SJ from the Wisconsin Province, currently on loan to St. Joseph's University out East.
Former Marquette Executive VP and current member of Marquette's Board of Trustees. Nice guy too.
"The beauty lies in the simplicity."
This would be a home run for MU.
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I don't think anyone has to worry about MU hiring someone who doesn't value the men's BBall program. Everyone there knows that is the singular reason for the fundraising, enrollment, etc.
I'm more concerned with the political leanings of the next President and if he'll encourage the University to adhere to the teachings of the Church.
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I'd certainly trade the buildings for the Warriors name.
Oh brother....and you expect us to take you seriously? You think a nickname is more important than up-to-date infrastructure???
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Maybe MU can name somebody to be the interim president -- then interview no other candidates before declaring that person the permanent hire after a sufficient period of time.
That's just silly. What they should do is reach out to unreasonable presidents of other Jesuit universities. Then, after they are rebuffed, MU should hire whatever Jesuit is down the hall.
As long as Dick Strong approves, of course.
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Father Wild and I are good friends and I talk to him frequently. This is the truth about the Warrior name........
He DID want the Warrior name back, but only if it offended no one. If it offended one tribe, than it was no deal. They spoke to dozens of tribes and felt that they would be able to change it back, but as they got further along, one tribe started to oppose the name change back to Warriors. THat ended it........No conspiracy....
Father Wild and the majority of the MU alums wanted Warriors back, but only if it offended no one....end of story.....
I have never got into a pissing match on a basketball chat room, but you calling my friend and the President of my University a prick has dragged me in and is the biggest bunch of bullcrap I have ever read......
Check your message box.......
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Let's be realistic about this. If we go the Jesuit route, and not the Georgetown route, Fr. Wild will have a ton of say in who replaces him.
How long has Georgetown had a lay President? I mean, eventually it is probably inevitable that MU goes the same way, just because of the decrease in the number of Jesuit priests will make the pool much smaller, but my guess is MU sticks with the Jesuits as long as it can.
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I wonder if MU will also look at Father Schlegel over at Creighton, who spent time at MU in the 80s.
Schlegel, http://admissions.creighton.edu/CULive/FacesofCreighton/FatherSchlegel/tabid/3309/Default.aspx
Schlegel is a no go for MU. Not that he'd be a bad choice, but they aren't going to pull him out of Creighton. It's his dream job, and he already left a different Jesuit University where he was president(SanFran) to be president there. Plus, he's got to be nearing retirement himself, he's at least 60.
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Father Wild and I are good friends and I talk to him frequently. This is the truth about the Warrior name........
He DID want the Warrior name back, but only if it offended no one. If it offended one tribe, than it was no deal. They spoke to dozens of tribes and felt that they would be able to change it back, but as they got further along, one tribe started to oppose the name change back to Warriors. THat ended it........No conspiracy....
Father Wild and the majority of the MU alums wanted Warriors back, but only if it offended no one....end of story.....
I have never got into a pissing match on a basketball chat room, but you calling my friend and the President of my University a prick has dragged me in and is the biggest bunch of bullcrap I have ever read......
Check your message box.......
"If it offended no one."
Somebody, somewhere, is ALWAYS going to be offended by something. And Wild knew it and he had no intention of bringing that name back.
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Schlegel is a no go for MU. Not that he'd be a bad choice, but they aren't going to pull him out of Creighton. It's his dream job, and he already left a different Jesuit University where he was president(SanFran) to be president there. Plus, he's got to be nearing retirement himself, he's at least 60.
Glad he's in the place he wants to be....Schlegel has been a terrific president at both USF and Creighton. A darkhorse for MU could be Father Michael Class -- he's a prof at MU now (I think), has been on the Xavier BOT for quite a while, and worked in the Jesuit provincial office in Chicago as well.
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How long has Georgetown had a lay President? I mean, eventually it is probably inevitable that MU goes the same way, just because of the decrease in the number of Jesuit priests will make the pool much smaller, but my guess is MU sticks with the Jesuits as long as it can.
John J. DeGioia has been president since 2001. before that it was this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_J._O'Donovan
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Father Tim Lannon. He'd be a great choice and sits on MU's BOT right now. I wonder if MU will also look at Father Schlegel over at Creighton, who spent time at MU in the 80s.
Father Wild will be missed, he's done a terrific job at the helm.
Schlegel, http://admissions.creighton.edu/CULive/FacesofCreighton/FatherSchlegel/tabid/3309/Default.aspx
Lannon, http://www.mu.edu/about/leadership/lannon.shtml
Would love to bring Lannon back; however, would Marquette take a shot at bringing Fr. Leahy back from Boston College? He was a former VP at Marquette before heading to BC, and he has family ties to the Midwest. Any chance there that he could be tired of the East Coast and would come back to the Midwest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_P._Leahy
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I'm more concerned with the political leanings of the next President and if he'll encourage the University to adhere to the teachings of the Church.
Like "Value thy old sports nickname above the educational needs of thy students?"
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Schlegel is a no go for MU. Not that he'd be a bad choice, but they aren't going to pull him out of Creighton. It's his dream job, and he already left a different Jesuit University where he was president(SanFran) to be president there. Plus, he's got to be nearing retirement himself, he's at least 60.
Schlegel was Dean of Arts & Sciences and I took his one-credit "Arts & Sciences Colloqueum" that was required of all A&S majors. As a non-Catholic, public high school kid, he was my first exposure to the Jesuits. An absolutely fantastic guy. I think he left for John Carroll as provost soon afterwards.
But yeah, he will not be the next President of MU.
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Like "Value thy old sports nickname above the educational needs of thy students?"
"Educational needs", lol.
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I'm more concerned with the political leanings of the next President and if he'll encourage the University to adhere to the teachings of the Church.
No you're not.
You only concerned with the nickname. You've made that clear.
It doesn't matter what the current president (wild) or future president do. You will not be happy with them until "Warriors" comes back, and you will hold the MU president (regardless of who it is) personally responsible.
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Would love to bring Lannon back; however, would Marquette take a shot at bringing Fr. Leahy back from Boston College? He was a former VP at Marquette before heading to BC, and he has family ties to the Midwest. Any chance there that he could be tired of the East Coast and would come back to the Midwest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_P._Leahy
Leahy is the best name mentioned, by far. He would be a home run choice, but MU won't even consider him.
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"If it offended no one."
Somebody, somewhere, is ALWAYS going to be offended by something. And Wild knew it and he had no intention of bringing that name back.
You are a real riot. I don't know that I've ever seen a poster who is consistently as negative as yourself, it's a shame you actually graduated from Marquette. As a random student walking through campus, I bumped into Fr. Wild on more than one occasion and he was always extremely gracious with his time. What he has done for OUR university has been exactly what *most* alums could have hoped for. Marquette basketball is a love of mine, but what does it matter if the academic side of the school is in shambles? Fr. Wild has done a great job of putting both the university and the basketball program in positions to be successful for years to come. Can't wait to see what you complain about next.
As an aside, I'm currently down at Creighton and can't see Fr. Schlegel leaving either for the aforementioned reasons. Not that this is relevant, but he's probably the tannest Jesuit I've ever seen, so based on recent tan employees, I'm not sure we want to go down that road either. ;)
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"Educational needs", lol.
It really doesn't surprise me that you were involved with student government, because most of those guys when I was there would get all hot and bothered over basically irrelevant issues. It is really why the vast, vast majority of students ignore student governments at campuses across the country even today.
And honestly, I find it odd that you would spend time on a MU basketball discussion board when it seems pretty clear that you show a good deal of contempt for your alma mater.
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I can say with absolute certainty that Gumby has no clue as to what he is talking about regarding Fr. Wild and the Warrior nickname. What Fr. Wild has done for this University has been nothing short of remarkable and deserves the thanks and gratitude of the entire Marquette community.
Father Wild and I are good friends and I talk to him frequently. This is the truth about the Warrior name........
He DID want the Warrior name back, but only if it offended no one. If it offended one tribe, than it was no deal. They spoke to dozens of tribes and felt that they would be able to change it back, but as they got further along, one tribe started to oppose the name change back to Warriors. THat ended it........No conspiracy....
Father Wild and the majority of the MU alums wanted Warriors back, but only if it offended no one....end of story.....
I have never got into a pissing match on a basketball chat room, but you calling my friend and the President of my University a prick has dragged me in and is the biggest bunch of bullcrap I have ever read......
Check your message box.......
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Would love to bring Lannon back; however, would Marquette take a shot at bringing Fr. Leahy back from Boston College? He was a former VP at Marquette before heading to BC, and he has family ties to the Midwest. Any chance there that he could be tired of the East Coast and would come back to the Midwest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_P._Leahy
I REALLY like it but Leahy. He's bold, helped BC grow equivalent to Wild at MU but he'll be 63 when he takes over as president. Wild was 54 when he took over. I think MU might try to look younger.
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The University sent out this email:
Dear Friends:
This afternoon, in my annual President’s Address, I will share with the campus community my intent to retire on June 30, 2011, or whenever a successor takes office, whichever comes later. I had informed the Board of Trustees of my decision yesterday. You can find the official announcement online.
I’ve drafted a letter to all alumni which you will receive shortly, but I wanted you to hear of my decision as soon as possible -- before reading about it or hearing it secondhand. Your support these past 14 years has been truly heartwarming -- and so important to the progress we’ve made. I look forward to that continued support in the remaining 15 months of my tenure and for my successor, whoever he may be.
Along with my letter, you’ll receive a note from Darren Jackson, chair of our Board of Trustees. He’ll review the search process and explain how you can be involved. The input of our alumni is critical as we embark on this important search process.
I will look forward to seeing and hearing from many of you in the months ahead.
God bless you and all members of our Marquette family.
Bob Wild, S.J.
President, Marquette University
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You are a real riot. I don't know that I've ever seen a poster who is consistently as negative as yourself, it's a shame you actually graduated from Marquette. As a random student walking through campus, I bumped into Fr. Wild on more than one occasion and he was always extremely gracious with his time. What he has done for OUR university has been exactly what *most* alums could have hoped for. Marquette basketball is a love of mine, but what does it matter if the academic side of the school is in shambles? Fr. Wild has done a great job of putting both the university and the basketball program in positions to be successful for years to come. Can't wait to see what you complain about next.
As an aside, I'm currently down at Creighton and can't see Fr. Schlegel leaving either for the aforementioned reasons. Not that this is relevant, but he's probably the tannest Jesuit I've ever seen, so based on recent tan employees, I'm not sure we want to go down that road either. ;)
Get in the real world. The guy everyone loves to bitch about, Tom Crean, would walk around campus for the sole purpose to stop students and chat or to have students see him and come up to him. It's all PR. And it's all an act. Wild plays the game better than DiUlio. Big deal.
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I can say with absolute certainty that Gumby has no clue as to what he is talking about regarding Fr. Wild and the Warrior nickname. What Fr. Wild has done for this University has been nothing short of remarkable and deserves the thanks and gratitude of the entire Marquette community.
Nonsense. If Wild wanted the Warriors name back, it would be back.
Your hero worship for Wild is misplaced.
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I'd certainly trade the buildings for the Warriors name.
As an MU basketball fan, there should be one thing on your mind: W's. How does a nickname affect W's? We could be the Marquette Grundlesniffers for all I care if we consistently challenged for national titles.
And Father Wild is most certainly NOT an arrogant prick, at least in my interactions with him.
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Would love to bring Lannon back; however, would Marquette take a shot at bringing Fr. Leahy back from Boston College? He was a former VP at Marquette before heading to BC, and he has family ties to the Midwest. Any chance there that he could be tired of the East Coast and would come back to the Midwest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_P._Leahy
Doubtful. Leahy was a controversial guy when he was here, has been controversial since he left, and BC to MU is a step down to be quite honest. And again, he's in his 60s, so he'd be a short term hire if at all.
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Nonsense. If Wild wanted the Warriors name back, it would be back.
Your hero worship for Wild is misplaced.
Your knowledge of the situation and the power of the unversity president is completely lacking.
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Leahy is the best name mentioned, by far. He would be a home run choice, but MU won't even consider him.
Why would he be a homerun?
Would he change the name back?
That's the only criteria you are using, correct?
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I'd certainly trade the buildings for the Warriors name.
It's funny, I always get calls from MU asking for money from some kid and I always tell them they won't get a cent from me until they bring back the Warriors name. Then the kid always says that they hear that a lot, and I tell them not to call again. But like clockwork, the next call will come in a month or two.
BTW, for anyone wondering, I did graduate from MU. I was on ASMU at the time of the mascot/nickname fiasco with DiUlio and worked for the University (rec center, Athletic Dept), as well.
Dude, you really care about a nickname THAT much?? I know everyone here greatly prefers the Warrior nickname and it has upset a lot of people, but to hold out money on your alma mater because of an insensitive nickname? That seems a little ridiculous to me. Much more to Marquette than the Warriors name and to hinder the development of the university becasue of an Athletic nickname is selfish to say the least. I can't get over your affection for a nickname, I mean come on. If you want to be upset about it and voice your displeasure to the Univeristy that is fine, but to withold money is stupid.
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Get in the real world. The guy everyone loves to bitch about, Tom Crean, would walk around campus for the sole purpose to stop students and chat or to have students see him and come up to him. It's all PR. And it's all an act. Wild plays the game better than DiUlio. Big deal.
Yikes, with that response, I'll third the douche bag nomination. How is it PR if I'm standing at the traffic light, look over and see Fr. Wild, then say hi to him first? It's as if you think he was standing there with a pizza begging me to talk to him when in reality, or the real world as you call it, the guy had a briefcase and was most likely on his way to a meeting so that he could figure out a way to make your degree look even better. Anyways, you clearly have an axe to grind, so there's no use in arguing. I am, however, truly impressed by your level of disdain for nearly all things Marquette. Hopefully, you have something in your life that makes you happy, because Marquette and MU basketball sure aren't doing the trick.
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I have a hard time thinking its anyone but Lannon. He was VP of Advancement so he knows the major contributors, has been on the BoT, and has experience as Prez at St. Joe's. Unless they go the Georgetown route, this looks like a great hire and the path of least resistance.
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Get in the real world. The guy everyone loves to bitch about, Tom Crean, would walk around campus for the sole purpose to stop students and chat or to have students see him and come up to him. It's all PR. And it's all an act. Wild plays the game better than DiUlio. Big deal.
Even if Wild's "act" is all a "PR game," it doesn't matter. What matters is that the University is better off in every conceivable way since he took office. Even if he is a "prick" (which I highly doubt considering most people's opinions of the man), he has been a highly effective prick.
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Doubtful. Leahy was a controversial guy when he was here, has been controversial since he left, and BC to MU is a step down to be quite honest. And again, he's in his 60s, so he'd be a short term hire if at all.
Sure, he's "controversial" because he actually expects BC to promote things that are in accordance with Church teachings, which is why MU will never hire him.
He's a great guy and has done a great job at BC.
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Sad to see Fr. Wild go.
Screw a committee, let Cottingham pick the next president. ;)
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Sure, he's "controversial" because he actually expects BC to promote things that are in accordance with Church teachings, which is why MU will never hire him.
He's a great guy and has done a great job at BC.
That's why he was controversial at BC, but that's got nothing to do with what he was like at MU. He made a lot of enemies on the faculty when he was here. Not exactly the easiest guy to work for.
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This guy has been a great steward of the university. I will forever be grateful to him for a lot, but especially for getting MU into the Big East Conference:
http://www.marquette.edu/omc/newscenter/recent.php?subaction=showfull&id=1267719185&archive=
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Dude, you really care about a nickname THAT much?? I know everyone here greatly prefers the Warrior nickname and it has upset a lot of people, but to hold out money on your alma mater because of an insensitive nickname? That seems a little ridiculous to me. Much more to Marquette than the Warriors name and to hinder the development of the university becasue of an Athletic nickname is selfish to say the least. I can't get over your affection for a nickname, I mean come on. If you want to be upset about it and voice your displeasure to the Univeristy that is fine, but to withold money is stupid.
+1...I agree...I always thought it was ridiculous to not support the current and future students Marquette because of a nickname that they had no control over.
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In a very short amount of time, gumbyandpokey has already been ignored by 19 members. You have surpassed warthog-driver (15), and are approaching chicos (23). You may even catch MR.HAYWARD (31).
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That's why he was controversial at BC, but that's got nothing to do with what he was like at MU. He made a lot of enemies on the faculty when he was here. Not exactly the easiest guy to work for.
I'm sure MU will choose some goof who is more concerned with "multiculturalism" and "diversity" than enforcing Catholic teachings.
MU a "Catholic Experience", lol.
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And you blind bashing of him without any substantiated facts is asinine and extremely weak. You validate your argument by your own intuition and gut feeling rather than providing concrete facts.
Facts: Under Father Wild, MU has increased endowment, increased applications, strengthened multiple undergraduate, graduate, and doctoral programs, built multiple buildings to attract competitive students and faculty along with the beautification of the campus grounds, joined the Big East and saw the revival of the Men's Basketball program. And that's just a short list.
Regardless of whether or not Wild wanted or didn't want the Warriors nickname, that list trumps any argument you may have. On top of that, I guarantee you have ZERO knowledge of how the nickname decision went down because if you did, you would understand how misguided your "intuition" is.
With that, I am done arguing with you as it is not worth the time spent that should be thanking the man for his accomplishments at our university.
Nonsense. If Wild wanted the Warriors name back, it would be back.
Your hero worship for Wild is misplaced.
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well, at least we didn't hear about it first on ESPN.
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I'm sure MU will choose some goof who is more concerned with "multiculturalism" and "diversity" than enforcing Catholic teachings.
MU a "Catholic Experience", lol.
I would hardly come to the conclusion that you were a staunch Catholic by the tone of your posts.
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Had many interactions with Fr. Lannon S.J., and he actually helped my family out during a tough time. Great man. Actually met him one afternoon during the Jesuit Olympics in 2001, never forgot my name after that. Hope he comes back
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Father Tim Lannon. He'd be a great choice and sits on MU's BOT right now. I wonder if MU will also look at Father Schlegel over at Creighton, who spent time at MU in the 80s.
Father Wild will be missed, he's done a terrific job at the helm.
Schlegel, http://www.creighton.edu/administration/president/
Lannon, http://www.mu.edu/about/leadership/lannon.shtml
I'm for Schlegel. Looks like he can party.
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I'm sure MU will choose some goof who is more concerned with "multiculturalism" and "diversity" than enforcing Catholic teachings.
MU a "Catholic Experience", lol.
Alright... let's get into it:
What do you think a "catholic experience" should be at a major university?
In what ways did Fr. Wild hurt that?
What changes would you like to see that would help create a better "catholic experience"?:
1. Nickname
2. ?
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I'm up for hearing different viewpoints, but you've got to come with more than just anger about "warriors".
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ALREADY POSTED. :)
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Alright... let's get into it:
What do you think a "catholic experience" should be at a major university?
In what ways did Fr. Wild hurt that?
What changes would you like to see that would help create a better "catholic experience"?:
1. Nickname
2. ?
3.
4.
I'm up for hearing different viewpoints, but you've got to come with more than just anger about "warriors".
He majored in "Ad Hominem"
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He's done a lot of good for MU. Had the priviledge for working for him as an employee. Definitely a friend of the athletic program.
Considering how most of the other Jesuit schools have used basketball and athletics to promote themselves (Creighton, Xavier, Marquette, Gonzaga, Georgetown, Boston College), I think that tradition will continue.
I just hope the new guy has that outlook and not that of the other Jesuit schools like Loyola Marymount, Santa Clara, Loyola (IL), etc.
I'd rate Father Wild's tenure as strong in most areas. Campus looks great. Athletics in much better shape. Academic rankings highest they've ever been as far as I can remember.
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I'm sure MU will choose some goof who is more concerned with "multiculturalism" and "diversity" than enforcing Catholic teachings.
MU a "Catholic Experience", lol.
Ha, it sounds like you're against multiculturalism and diversity. What dumb goof would ever want to promote these values?
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Ha, it sounds like you're against multiculturalism and diversity. What dumb goof would ever want to promote these values?
No kidding, I'm ready to start the Crusades again...who's with me!!!
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Considering how most of the other Jesuit schools have used basketball and athletics to promote themselves (Creighton, Xavier, Marquette, Gonzaga, Georgetown, Boston College), I think that tradition will continue.
+1. MU knows firsthand the great benefits that having a strong basketball program can provide to a non-football university.
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I was also on campus during the whole Warriors to Lightning debacle. At least Fr. DiUlio caved and the student vote was allowed for the Golden Eagles name. Fr. DiUlio told law school students that the law school was solely a "cash cow" and if we didn't like the fact that the facilities were falling down and that our tuition was siphoned off for the general funds, go somewhere else.
I too wish the Warriors name remained, am disappointed that Fr. Wild did not get us back to the Warriors, and still get worked up over the subject, but to say that Father Wild has done anything other than enhance the overall university is ludicrous. The law school has a massive new building that will be state of the art. The other building projects have vastly enhanced the University. Fr. Wild will actually listen to others rather than tell people to "go somewhere else." The basketball program has made a Final Four and athletics moved to the Big East. My degree is valued by others (ie employers) even more than before. It is a sad day that Fr. Wild moves to greener pastures for all who appreciate and value Marquette. Good luck in all of your future endeavors Fr. Wild, and thank you very much. (Now if you could do something about the Chicken Hawk and bringing back the Warriors... ;D)
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Its sad to see him go. Even if you have grievances with the university(theres nothing wrong with that since I do) You do need to acknowledge that he has done a lot and he has the quantitative results to prove it. For example, the new buildings, the endowment(which is still really weak), the campus or whatever you want to call it, vision and etc. . . .
While I never met the man I have talked to people that have and while he was not a great public speaker but he had a vision, understood the intricacies of execution, how to move the large bureaucracy that is MU and the soft skills for the position. Don't let your pride get in the way of what he has done since bickering about a nickname is about as stupid as a argument you can make.
I wish he would have retired in 3-4 years and they better find a suitable replacement.
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Gumbyandpokey is evil and must be destroyed!!
Get a clue as a recent alum (2008) and having been back to campus for several games I am amazed at even the transformations since I have left. New office buildings, law building is amazing, and the new engineering building which will soon break ground. Not to mention the old Sweeney's book store is a new dormatory.
Students cheer for the Warriors in the stands but many current students do not hold the passion to have the name changed, nor do many even know that Marquette was called the Warriors until they arrive on campus. Marquette is Marquette, a nickname won't change what the university is and what it stands for.
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I was the co-Chair of Students for Warriors in 2005, and had the opportunity to meet with Fr. Wild several times during the process. I'm sure MUFan12 and notkirkcameron, both of whom ran the group with me, will echo that Fr. Wild was outgoing and took the time to chat with us and make sure our side was heard.
I think Fr. Wild handled *his role* (which was not the end all be all decider of the issue) very well. As President of the University diring the nickname debate, more than anything else he was the public steward of whatever was decided, but as far as the decision itself was simply an individual member of the Board of Trustees.
Now, all nickname stuff aside, anyone who takes a look around campus and compares it to 2, 3, 5, 10, or 15 years ago will see the wonderful things Father Wild has brought to Marquette. Rankings are at an all time high, buildings are going up faster than some cities, and our basketball team is about to make their 5th consecutive tournament appearance (while training for it in their relatively new facility). Fr. Wild has been nothing but good for Marquette.
As far as people calling him arrogant, I've found him to be the polar opposite. Warm, outgoing, and genuinely interested in Marquette students, faculty, and the community as a whole.
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I'd certainly trade the buildings for the Warriors name.
It's funny, I always get calls from MU asking for money from some kid and I always tell them they won't get a cent from me until they bring back the Warriors name. Then the kid always says that they hear that a lot, and I tell them not to call again. But like clockwork, the next call will come in a month or two.
BTW, for anyone wondering, I did graduate from MU. I was on ASMU at the time of the mascot/nickname fiasco with DiUlio and worked for the University (rec center, Athletic Dept), as well.
Get a life man. The Warriors thing sucked, but its less than 1% of what is important about Marquette. Not only has the school gone up in rankings and prestige (we are actually ahead of SLU and I believe are now one of the top 5 Catholic universities in the country, behind only schools such as ND and Boston College), but under Fr. Wild Marquette has really stepped up its mission and service to Milwaukee. 2 Free dental clinics, record numbers of students volunteering and service learning, etc. Fr. Wild is Marquette's best President, bar maybe only a first place tie with Raynor. The guy has done incredible work and dealt with more controversy/adversity than any other president. Look where we were in 1996 when he came. Our school was coming off the whole Dahmer thing, look where he brought us.
There are more important things than mascots.
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Fumbling the nickname is Fr. Wild's only misstep. Otherwise, he has been a great President.
Having said that....It would have been nice for Fr. Wild to stand up for the Warriors and MU's history of protecting the Native American image.
Marquette eliminated Willie Wampum in 1971. They were extremly sensitive to Native American views. The First Warrior was a tribute. Marquette did the right thing so far ahead of everyone else that they did not get credit. If they held on to Willie Wampum until 1992, then dumped him with great fanfare, we would still be Warriors.
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I'm going to echo everyone with any reason here and say that Fr. Wild has been one of the best things for the University during his tenure as President. Who wants to start a committee to name the next new dorm "Wild Hall"!!!
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Gumby, have you ever even had a conversation with Fr. Wild or are you "calling him an arrogant prick" just because you still can't get over the Warriors issue? Wild's an absolute class act and is one of the more caring individuals whom I've met. He was more than willing to have lengthy conversations with everyone and took the time to listen to their viewpoints. Not to mention, Marquette's academics and facilities have improved leaps and bounds since he's been president and his commitment to athletics is a huge plus. He'll be sorely missed.
Your ignorant comments are as bad as some of the garbage that's been posted on the Journal-Sentinel's website in response to the article.
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Marquette is so much better off since Fr. Wild. The campus is beautiful, the school is better and more popular, and the basketball program is in a nice place. He has been great for the MU community as a whole and specifically to my wife/family. He is a class act.
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Fr. Jim McDermott for MU president!
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I second the movement for a Wild Hall. It should be a freshman dorm to replace McCormick.
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Fumbling the nickname is Fr. Wild's only misstep. Otherwise, he has been a great President.
Having said that....It would have been nice for Fr. Wild to stand up for the Warriors and MU's history of protecting the Native American image.
Marquette eliminated Willie Wampum in 1971. They were extremly sensitive to Native American views. The First Warrior was a tribute. Marquette did the right thing so far ahead of everyone else that they did not get credit. If they held on to Willie Wampum until 1992, then dumped him with great fanfare, we would still be Warriors.
Well said ra-ra
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Fumbling the nickname is Fr. Wild's only misstep. Otherwise, he has been a great President.
Having said that....It would have been nice for Fr. Wild to stand up for the Warriors and MU's history of protecting the Native American image.
Marquette eliminated Willie Wampum in 1971. They were extremly sensitive to Native American views. The First Warrior was a tribute. Marquette did the right thing so far ahead of everyone else that they did not get credit. If they held on to Willie Wampum until 1992, then dumped him with great fanfare, we would still be Warriors.
Dude, I don't want to open up another Warriors debate, but the First Warrior got beer dumped on him by students. That's not a tribute. That said, I'm all for Warriors with NO American Indian imagery.
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/86375712.html
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Dude, I don't want to open up another Warriors debate, but the First Warrior got beer dumped on him by students. That's not a tribute. That said, I'm all for Warriors with NO American Indian imagery.
I never said the students appreciated the First Warrior. The University made a good faith effort to honor Native American culture.
As far as a Warrior with no native imagery, I'm with you brother.
EDIT: removed potential thread hi jack
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The talk going around the faculty today is that Wild is leaving due to a health issue, which is an onset of Parkinsons. Anyone else hear this?
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The talk going around the faculty today is that Wild is leaving due to a health issue, which is an onset of Parkinson's. Anyone else hear this?
What do you care? He is stuck up prick in your eyes.
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What do you care? He is stuck up prick in your eyes.
I don't really. Just thought it was an interesting bit of info.
Sure hope MU chooses someone who will uphold Catholic teaching and not another Rembert Weakland style Catholic (politically speaking), which both DiUlio and Wild were.
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Fumbling the nickname is Fr. Wild's only misstep. Otherwise, he has been a great President.
He really didn't fumble the nickname. He was put in between a rock and a hard place and negotiated it as best as he could. The damn trustee who offered up the $$$ should have known better. He was the one that threw the administration under the bus on that whole issue.
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I don't really. Just thought it was an interesting bit of info.
Sure hope MU chooses someone who will uphold Catholic teaching and not another Rembert Weakland style Catholic (politically speaking), which both DiUlio and Wild were.
Curious. What aspects of Catholic teaching are you speaking of?
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I don't really. Just thought it was an interesting bit of info.
Sure hope MU chooses someone who will uphold Catholic teaching and not another Rembert Weakland style Catholic (politically speaking), which both DiUlio and Wild were.
You have really yet to explain what exactly this means. Do you care to do so now?
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If you were and obviously still are so concerned about the Catholic teaching of Marquette why did you go to Marquette??? Interesting thought, since you came to MU when DiUlio was president.
And heres a newsflash for you, not everyone who attends MU is Catholic, white, nor did many current students or alumni even attend catholic school at all prior to Marquette. And you teach at Marquette, even worse off if that is true since you don't agree with their principles...
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He really didn't fumble the nickname. He was put in between a rock and a hard place and negotiated it as best as he could. The damn trustee who offered up the $$$ should have known better. He was the one that threw the administration under the bus on that whole issue.
Do I have to mention a certain color or mineral that was proposed as an alternative, for which we are still reminded by our Red friends. As the President of the University, the buck stopped with him. It was probably the most embarrassed I have been for an institution that I love.
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I don't really. Just thought it was an interesting bit of info.
Sure hope MU chooses someone who will uphold Catholic teaching and not another Rembert Weakland style Catholic (politically speaking), which both DiUlio and Wild were.
I'm interesting in hearing more about this.
Can you elaborate?
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I'm interesting in hearing more about this.
Can you elaborate?
I would be amazed if "gumby" would be able to articulate a response to your request.
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Lemme take a few guesses.
Allowing a gay friendly student organization on campus.
Coed dorms.
Buddhism and Islam courses in the Theology department.
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Lemme take a few guesses.
Allowing a gay friendly student organization on campus.
Coed dorms.
Buddhism and Islam courses in the Theology department.
BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!!!
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I would be amazed if "gumby" would be able to articulate a response to your request.
You're absolutely right.
But, just because I don't agree with Gumby doesn't mean I won't hear him out.
However, at this point, he hasn't said anything substantive and looks pretty silly.
Gumby, tell us WTF you are talking about and referring to. You seem to have some strong feelings about Fr Wild, but the only thing you have chosen to share is that he didn't change the name to warriors and he somehow made MU "less catholic".
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I don't really. Just thought it was an interesting bit of info.
Sure hope MU chooses someone who will uphold Catholic teaching and not another Rembert Weakland style Catholic (politically speaking), which both DiUlio and Wild were.
Last I checked, neither DiUlio or Wild molested altar boys, paid off former lovers with church monies to keep them quiet, moved priests accused of sexual abuse from parish to parish and refused to tell the authorities of these complaints, damn near bankrupted the Archdiocese, and then wrote a tell-all book about it.
How you ever graduated Marquette (IF you ever went to Marquette) is beyond me.
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I don't really. Just thought it was an interesting bit of info.
Sure hope MU chooses someone who will uphold Catholic teaching and not another Rembert Weakland style Catholic (politically speaking), which both DiUlio and Wild were.
Are you serious! Maybe you should have attended Liberty University(calling it a university is an insult to actual universities) instead or any one of those so called accredited institutions down south instead of MU.
When can we stone people to death its been a while or better yet lets crucify them!
I recommend you watch Life of Brian! Biggus Dickus
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Lemme take a few guesses.
Allowing a gay friendly student organization on campus.
Coed dorms.
Buddhism and Islam courses in the Theology department.
I took an Islam course at MU. The Jesuit who taught it was very old and kept referring to Muslims as "Mohammadans," which I guess is the cultural equivalent of called black people "negros."
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hahaha. It didn't happen to be Fr. Donnelly, did it? That guy was as old as moses.
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Fr. Wild has been good for the program and good for the school. His successor has big shoes to fill.
I went to school in the early 70's under Fr. Raynor. It sounds like gumby would prefer the dark days before Vatican II.
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hahaha. It didn't happen to be Fr. Donnelly, did it? That guy was as old as moses.
No, Fr. Donnelly was history right? This was a Theo prof in the late 80s.
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No, Fr. Donnelly was history right? This was a Theo prof in the late 80s.
Father Lambeck?
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I remember when Fr. Donnelly was young. And yes, he was history.
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If you were and obviously still are so concerned about the Catholic teaching of Marquette why did you go to Marquette??? Interesting thought, since you came to MU when DiUlio was president.
And heres a newsflash for you, not everyone who attends MU is Catholic, white, nor did many current students or alumni even attend catholic school at all prior to Marquette. And you teach at Marquette, even worse off if that is true since you don't agree with their principles...
A Catholic goes to a Catholic university because he or she assumes that the Catholic university will actually follow the teachings of the Catholic church. That should be a pretty safe assumption. And yes, not everyone that goes to MU is Catholic, but why should that matter? If you don't want a Catholic education, go somewhere else.
And if anyone wants to know the ways in which MU is not following the teachings of the Catholic church, start by hanging around the nursing school for a while. The things that are "allowed" to take place there are pretty far from core Catholic teaching . . .
And by the way, I think Fr. Wild overall was a very good president for MU but, like everyone, is not perfect.
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Lemme take a few guesses.
Allowing a gay friendly student organization on campus.
Coed dorms.
Buddhism and Islam courses in the Theology department.
I took both Hinduism and Islam at Marquette. I'm still guessing I'm on a gov't watch list as a result. LOL
My guess is that Gumby may be referencing some of the "Cafeteria Catholic" positions the university takes that don't seem to correlate with Rome.
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Father Lambeck?
Yeah...I think that's it.
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How you ever graduated Marquette (IF you ever went to Marquette) is beyond me.
I've asked that question about Mr. Hayward on many occasions. At least Gumby can spell and put together a cohesive sentence (we may not agree with the content, but a subject and verb agreement actually exist).
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A Catholic goes to a Catholic university because he or she assumes that the Catholic university will actually follow the teachings of the Catholic church. That should be a pretty safe assumption. And yes, not everyone that goes to MU is Catholic, but why should that matter? If you don't want a Catholic education, go somewhere else.
And if anyone wants to know the ways in which MU is not following the teachings of the Catholic church, start by hanging around the nursing school for a while. The things that are "allowed" to take place there are pretty far from core Catholic teaching . . .
And by the way, I think Fr. Wild overall was a very good president for MU but, like everyone, is not perfect.
Like what?
Why is everybody beating around the bush on this topic.
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I took an Islam course at MU. The Jesuit who taught it was very old and kept referring to Muslims as "Mohammadans," which I guess is the cultural equivalent of called black people "negros."
Father Lambeck I believe was the professor. Interesting guy. He was old when I took the class, I wonder if he is still alive.
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A Catholic goes to a Catholic university because he or she assumes that the Catholic university will actually follow the teachings of the Catholic church. That should be a pretty safe assumption. And yes, not everyone that goes to MU is Catholic, but why should that matter? If you don't want a Catholic education, go somewhere else.
And if anyone wants to know the ways in which MU is not following the teachings of the Catholic church, start by hanging around the nursing school for a while. The things that are "allowed" to take place there are pretty far from core Catholic teaching . . .
Like what? Seriously, as a non-Catholic I am not arguing that it shouldn't be "too Catholic," but I have no idea what you and gumby are talking about. I mean, they don't do abortions at the Nursing school right???
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Like what?
Why is everybody beating around the bush on this topic.
Because some things are not necessarily appropriate to be discussed on public message boards.
Just use your imagination and think about what type of health care related issues could be taught in the nursing school that don't jive with Catholic teaching. It's not just the nursing school and its not only at MU.
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Like what? Seriously, as a non-Catholic I am not arguing that it shouldn't be "too Catholic," but I have no idea what you and gumby are talking about. I mean, they don't do abortions at the Nursing school right???
No, but they masturbate alot.
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I'm guessing what some of the hard core Catholic people here are upset about is the fact that some people at Marquette (There's one theology teacher who has tenure, I can't remember his name right now) doesn't stick to official Catholic teaching on things like abortion.
Mostly, its people who think that the Jesuits are too liberal politically and allow people like Martin Sheen (who are Democrats and are OK with abortion) to come on campus and receive awards. At least that's what I remember angry alums bitching about back when I worked at the phonathon at MU back in the early '00s
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Father Lambeck I believe was the professor. Interesting guy. He was old when I took the class, I wonder if he is still alive.
I took that Islam class with Father Lambeck...enjoyed it, learned tons. His brother lives in New York (or at least used to)
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I, too, am clueless as to what people are alluding to. I'm active in my parish, attend Mass every Sunday, but I do admit to believing that one day there will be women priests, despite what the bishops say.
Guess I'm out of the club, then.
If we get a reactionary, that's when I'll stop my donations - certainly not over a nickname issue that, while I'm not happy with, certainly isn't the most important thing around.
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Because some things are not necessarily appropriate to be discussed on public message boards.
Just use your imagination and think about what type of health care related issues could be taught in the nursing school that don't jive with Catholic teaching. It's not just the nursing school and its not only at MU.
Its probably things like birth control. Oh the horror.
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I'm guessing what some of the hard core Catholic people here are upset about is the fact that some people at Marquette (There's one theology teacher who has tenure, I can't remember his name right now) doesn't stick to official Catholic teaching on things like abortion.
Mostly, its people who think that the Jesuits are too liberal politically and allow people like Martin Sheen (who are Democrats and are OK with abortion) to come on campus and receive awards. At least that's what I remember angry alums bitching about back when I worked at the phonathon at MU back in the early '00s
Sheen, I think, came to MU to honor Dorothy Day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day
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Sheen, I think, came to MU to honor Dorothy Day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day
Yeah I guess my point is that some people seem to have their politics so identified with their Religion (in the case of most of the people who are upset about this, being a Republican and Catholic) that they see anyone who is Catholic and a Democrat as not being Catholic enough.
I say this as both a Republican and Catholic who has no problem with people having different political views than me, but I just know some people like my parents, just can't get past the idea that you can be a Catholic and still possibly support a politician who is pro-abortion.
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Yeah I guess my point is that some people seem to have their politics so identified with their Religion (in the case of most of the people who are upset about this, being a Republican and Catholic) that they see anyone who is Catholic and a Democrat as not being Catholic enough.
I say this as both a Republican and Catholic who has no problem with people having different political views than me, but I just know some people like my parents, just can't get past the idea that you can be a Catholic and still possibly support a politician who is pro-abortion.
It goes far beyond politics and is not a Republican v. Democrat thing. What it comes down to is whether a university that calls itself Catholic and advertises its Catholic teaching should actually follow that teaching. Other religions and viewpoints are certainly welcome, but if MU wants to be known as a Catholic school it should at least act like it.
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My hope is that Fr. Wild's retirement is coming at a point where he would still be an important part of MU for years to come. He seems like he certainly could keep working if he wanted to (more power to him if he feels he's starting to slow down). However it would be great to see him continue to guide and influence a new Rev. Fr. Prez. Adm. Chanc. P.M. Capt. for years to come. On that note, I certainly hope that the medical rumors aren't true. First of course for Fr. Wild, but also for the university.
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Yeah I guess my point is that some people seem to have their politics so identified with their Religion (in the case of most of the people who are upset about this, being a Republican and Catholic) that they see anyone who is Catholic and a Democrat as not being Catholic enough.
I say this as both a Republican and Catholic who has no problem with people having different political views than me, but I just know some people like my parents, just can't get past the idea that you can be a Catholic and still possibly support a politician who is pro-abortion.
There is also the other side who view social justice more than abortion. Everyone gets their point of view. If you didn't know Marquette was not a strict Catholic University going in (and it hasn't been since before the 60's) well then tough cookies.
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My question back usually is, any and all Catholic teaching? Or just specific ones that relate to, shall we say, people's personal lives? Because that's usually what it seems to come down to.
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I'm not sure why party affiliation even matters. For some people, they went to Catholic schools their entire life (myself would be one) and we were taught certain things about Catholic dogma and doctrine. I'm not old enough for pre Vatican II stuff, but I can tell you that folks like my mother-in-law (RIP) were church going 7 days a week and really struggled with some of the things taught at some Catholic universities (one of her daughters went to St. Marys, one of her sons went to Santa Clara, several grandchildren at Loyola Marymount).
So I think it really relies on what foundation you're coming from. Abortion was always a 100% no-no teaching in my Catholic education. I understand that MU has to balance Catholic beliefs with that of open thought and academic pursuit. Tough for them at times to do that balancing act.
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It goes far beyond politics and is not a Republican v. Democrat thing. What it comes down to is whether a university that calls itself Catholic and advertises its Catholic teaching should actually follow that teaching. Other religions and viewpoints are certainly welcome, but if MU wants to be known as a Catholic school it should at least act like it.
Well the Catholic Church is pretty behind the times socially. The Church needs to realize that it can't keep doing things the way it always has if it wants to stay relevant in today's society. This type of attitude "You're not a Catholic if you don't do exactly what we say" is going to drive more and more people away from the Church and put in even worse shape than it is now. And that's without priests raping little boys.
Personally I'm glad that the Jesuits are out there providing a fairly liberal counterbalance to some of the old fire and brimstone types that are in the Vatican. They'll be there to help drive the necessary changes to the Church that will keep it viable once they realize that there aren't any priests left and their numbers are going down.
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It goes far beyond politics and is not a Republican v. Democrat thing. What it comes down to is whether a university that calls itself Catholic and advertises its Catholic teaching should actually follow that teaching. Other religions and viewpoints are certainly welcome, but if MU wants to be known as a Catholic school it should at least act like it.
Marquette does - it has a mission of social justice which it is world renowned for. One issue does not make or break it. Get over it.
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I'd certainly trade the buildings for the Warriors name.
It's funny, I always get calls from MU asking for money from some kid and I always tell them they won't get a cent from me until they bring back the Warriors name. Then the kid always says that they hear that a lot, and I tell them not to call again. But like clockwork, the next call will come in a month or two.
BTW, for anyone wondering, I did graduate from MU. I was on ASMU at the time of the mascot/nickname fiasco with DiUlio and worked for the University (rec center, Athletic Dept), as well.
You, sir, are an idiot.
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Marquette does - it has a mission of social justice which it is world renowned for. One issue does not make or break it. Get over it.
Catholic teaching goes far beyond just the mission of social justice, while that certainly is an important issue. As you said, one issue does not make or break it.
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It goes far beyond politics and is not a Republican v. Democrat thing. What it comes down to is whether a university that calls itself Catholic and advertises its Catholic teaching should actually follow that teaching. Other religions and viewpoints are certainly welcome, but if MU wants to be known as a Catholic school it should at least act like it.
It's a fair point.
Let's be honest, a lot of us out there claim to be Catholic, but sometimes chose not to follow certain parts of our faith (myself included).
Premarital sex is the norm, church certainly wasn't filled on sundays at MU (But the Annex sure was), swearing, porno, etc. etc.
To your point, I think a university needs to be held to a bit of a higher standard than the average lay person. There really shouldn't be such a thing as a "mostly Catholic" teaching.
BUT... BUT...
How do you balance progressive teaching, critical thinking, drive for knowledge etc. with "rules" and some church dogma that are out of date and out of touch? (I'm not saying the church should change because I'm a big believer in tradition, but you get the point).
MU has co-ed dorms. Kids have sex. Should MU be patrolling the halls and searching rooms with more vigilance? Should all dorms be single sex and should they be on opposite ends of campus? Should MU block all porn in the dorms? (as if they could).
There are literally hundreds if not thousands of concessions that the Catholic religion has to make in order to be a university.
If people aren't comfortable with those concessions, maybe they need to look at a "stricter" place like the seminary.
But, I guess that comes back to the larger point about being a "Catholic" university. Should their really be "stricter" versions of it? Isn't Catholic just Catholic?
Interesting topic. I think MU does a great job, but I can see your point.
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Oh, so you're mad MU isn't brainwashing people? Got it.
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Because some things are not necessarily appropriate to be discussed on public message boards.
Just use your imagination and think about what type of health care related issues could be taught in the nursing school that don't jive with Catholic teaching. It's not just the nursing school and its not only at MU.
So you're saying you'd rather our nursing students don't learn these things because it doesn't fit with what the Vatican tells us? That's not how healthcare works.
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I've been thinking about this post all day, so here goes.
First of all, Fr. Wild has been a fantastic servant of MU. He's a reasonable, kind individual based on my dealings with him. And his accomplishments have been well-documented here. He certainly has had much more good than bad in his tenure. MU is certainly far better off for having him as president. He certainly deserves a standing ovation on Saturday.
That said, here would be some critiques/areas in my opinion, the next president should focus on.
The traditional/liberal Catholic debate has more to do with University bureaucracy than it does the president. He took the position, good or bad, to not get involved with the decisions of the bureaucrats. There were not many checks on them, which led to most of the issues that more traditional Catholics had a problem with.
Obviously the Gold incident was bad, and that is something that should have been kiboshed when the Indians spoke out, rather than bait people along for another 6 months. That only intensified the anger throughout the process.
I also think the plateau was coming, so to speak. There's still development going on with the Law School, Zilber, and now the engineering building. Very nice additions to campus, to be sure. But the endowment is static, if not slowly declining. It is absoutely critical to get that growing again. While again, a very nice man, Fr. Wild isn't the most dynamic speaker in the world. The checks they're getting now are from people who don't necessarily need to be moved to donate. To a degree, the next president needs to be someone who can motivate more people to pull out the checkbook.
While grateful for what Fr. Wild has done, I look at this as a huge opportunity, in a way like I saw April 2008. If the right hire is made, I think the growth of the past 15 years will be eclipsed fairly easily.
Does anyone know if MU makes the hire, or if the Provincial SJ makes the call?
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Oh, so you're mad MU isn't brainwashing people? Got it.
Brainwashing? Really? You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Those will be incredible shoes to fill for the basketball program as well as for the University. Thanks for putting MU back on the map for those of us who live hundreds of miles away from Milwaukee!
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Brainwashing? Really? You have no idea what you are talking about.
No, we have no idea what you're talking about, because you won't talk about it.
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Marquette does - it has a mission of social justice which it is world renowned for. One issue does not make or break it. Get over it.
If the issue is as crucial to the Catholic identity as Abortion/Right to Life, then it does break it.
People have mentioned a bunch of the things I was referring to earlier, basically the "cafteria catholic" issue Chicos brought up. But there are more serious things that MUeagle discussed that really call into question what is going on at MU at times. The MU administration looks the other way quite often when things are brought to their attention that directly contradict Church teaching.
But it's not just at MU that this is going on. Having a true Catholic like Leahy run a university like BC is becoming a rarity these days.
As far as declining numbers of priests goes, that's what happens when many seminaries have pretty much turned into bathhouses. More traditional, conservative seminaries are doing quite well. There is most certainly a battle for the soul of the Church going on. You just have to find a parish that you are comfortable with. Old St Mary's is a Conservative choice and St Pius is an option if you want a far left leaning parish to name two examples.
Someone mentioned Dorothy Day earlier. Another controversial "honoree" from MU is Gwen Moore.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2008/10/rep-gwen-moore-marquettes-pet-pro.html
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So you're saying you'd rather our nursing students don't learn these things because it doesn't fit with what the Vatican tells us? That's not how healthcare works.
Learning is not the problem, its practicing. And based on your comment I'd bet you know very little about how healthcare really works . . .
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Jesuits teach people to think for themselves. The Catholic viewpoint is put forth loud and clear. If students choose to digest it and decide something else, how is that MU's fault? Please be specific.
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Well the Catholic Church is pretty behind the times socially. The Church needs to realize that it can't keep doing things the way it always has if it wants to stay relevant in today's society. This type of attitude "You're not a Catholic if you don't do exactly what we say" is going to drive more and more people away from the Church and put in even worse shape than it is now. And that's without priests raping little boys.
Personally I'm glad that the Jesuits are out there providing a fairly liberal counterbalance to some of the old fire and brimstone types that are in the Vatican. They'll be there to help drive the necessary changes to the Church that will keep it viable once they realize that there aren't any priests left and their numbers are going down.
My guess is that church officials would say they don't need to be the ones that have to "keep up with the times". Just my guess, but I'm sure that they would say they aren't going to approve everything that society does or trends to just because.
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If the issue is as crucial to the Catholic identity as Abortion/Right to Life, then it does break it.
People have mentioned a bunch of the things I was referring to earlier, basically the "cafteria catholic" issue Chicos brought up. But there are more serious things that MUeagle discussed that really call into question what is going on at MU at times. The MU administration looks the other way quite often when things are brought to their attention that directly contradict Church teaching.
But it's not just at MU that this is going on. Having a true Catholic like Leahy run a university like BC is becoming a rarity these days.
As far as declining numbers of priests goes, that's what happens when many seminaries have pretty much turned into bathhouses. More traditional, conservative seminaries are doing quite well. There is most certainly a battle for the soul of the Church going on. You just have to find a parish that you are comfortable with. Old St Mary's is a Conservative choice and St Pius is an option if you want a far left leaning parish to name two examples.
Someone mentioned Dorothy Day earlier. Another controversial "honoree" from MU is Gwen Moore.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2008/10/rep-gwen-moore-marquettes-pet-pro.html
Too late, brother.
We asked you basic questions HOURS ago, and you just ran on at the mouth about "Warriors" and how Fr. Wild is an A-hole.
You can't just tack yourself onto MUeagle05's posts now. He at least brings some insight (although I may disagree).
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I never knew Dorothy Day was controversial.
And, for me, if someone professes to be pro-life but their positions on other issues are against what the Church's positions are, that doesn't cut it with me. In other words, don't be pro-life but pro-death penalty, anti-workers rights, etc.
Clericalism is alive and well in seminaries these days. It's all a power thing, really.
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Too late, brother.
We asked you basic questions HOURS ago, and you just ran on at the mouth about "Warriors" and how Fr. Wild is an A-hole.
You can't just tack yourself onto MUeagle05's posts now. He at least brings some insight (although I may disagree).
Too late?
I'm not hanging on every word, every post 24 hrs a day....
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I've been thinking about this post all day, so here goes.
First of all, Fr. Wild has been a fantastic servant of MU. He's a reasonable, kind individual based on my dealings with him. And his accomplishments have been well-documented here. He certainly has had much more good than bad in his tenure. MU is certainly far better off for having him as president. He certainly deserves a standing ovation on Saturday.
That said, here would be some critiques/areas in my opinion, the next president should focus on.
The traditional/liberal Catholic debate has more to do with University bureaucracy than it does the president. He took the position, good or bad, to not get involved with the decisions of the bureaucrats. There were not many checks on them, which led to most of the issues that more traditional Catholics had a problem with.
Obviously the Gold incident was bad, and that is something that should have been kiboshed when the Indians spoke out, rather than bait people along for another 6 months. That only intensified the anger throughout the process.
I also think the plateau was coming, so to speak. There's still development going on with the Law School, Zilber, and now the engineering building. Very nice additions to campus, to be sure. But the endowment is static, if not slowly declining. It is absoutely critical to get that growing again. While again, a very nice man, Fr. Wild isn't the most dynamic speaker in the world. The checks they're getting now are from people who don't necessarily need to be moved to donate. To a degree, the next president needs to be someone who can motivate more people to pull out the checkbook.
While grateful for what Fr. Wild has done, I look at this as a huge opportunity, in a way like I saw April 2008. If the right hire is made, I think the growth of the past 15 years will be eclipsed fairly easily.
Does anyone know if MU makes the hire, or if the Provincial SJ makes the call?
The final decision is made by the BoT. The Provincial SJ may have influence, but the Board has the final say in all governance issues.
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If the issue is as crucial to the Catholic identity as Abortion/Right to Life, then it does break it.
People have mentioned a bunch of the things I was referring to earlier, basically the "cafteria catholic" issue Chicos brought up. But there are more serious things that MUeagle discussed that really call into question what is going on at MU at times. The MU administration looks the other way quite often when things are brought to their attention that directly contradict Church teaching.
But it's not just at MU that this is going on. Having a true Catholic like Leahy run a university like BC is becoming a rarity these days.
See, this is what is just pure bull-sh*t. What gives you the right to determine who is, or isn't, a "true Catholic?" I mean, 2002MUAlum's post really laid out the issues really well - it really helped frame the discussion for me. But your type of thinking is just so closed minded.
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Too late?
I'm not hanging on every word, every post 24 hrs a day....
You came on here guns blazing about Wild and "warriors" and him being arrogant.
Several people called you out.
You blazed some more. (without any actual substance).
You disappear.
You magically reappear when somebody with a similar viewpoint can actually articulate his/her thoughts.
You're weak. If you want to have a bold viewpoint, be prepared to back it up... don't just wait for the Calvary to come in.
It's too late now to try to have a legitimate discussion now.
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gumby - I disagree with must of what you have said, but I do like that you posted big John McAdams' blog. As a former student, who honestly would have hated to have Catholicism more stringently enforced while I was there, I do think that Prof McAdams is a good example of MU doing a balancing act better than most schools. I think that if you look at MU as strictly Catholic, you won't be happy. But if you view the Catholic tradition as requiring MU to keep honest in terms of Conservative or Faith-based education priorities, I think it does a nice job. Unfortunately, you can't please everyone. Prof Christopher Wolfe was an example of this. He was an outstanding conservative poli sci professor and penned one of the best books on the Constitution in recent history (an accolade given by minds much greater than my own). Unfortunately Prof Wolfe left MU because he believed it had moved too far away from its Catholic, conservative tradition.
I don't mean to get overly political, but I think a poli sci department is a battleground for the identity of an institution, simply because you can't get away from aligning on one side or the other. Before Dr. Wolfe's departure, MU's best known poli sci (and probably liberal arts as whole) professors were both conservative. I am personally liberal, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I think MU stays more conservative than most universities, and owes much of that to its Catholic tradition.
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Jesuits teach people to think for themselves. The Catholic viewpoint is put forth loud and clear. If students choose to digest it and decide something else, how is that MU's fault? Please be specific.
Everyone is supposed to think for themselves. The problem arises when professors don't put forth the viewpoint loud and clear by distorting or misrepresenting the actual Catholic teaching on a subject. This prevents the students from making an informed decision. I don't think it's appropriate to name specific professors or classes, but Catholic teaching on issues ranging from hot button issues such as abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, birth control, and social justice, to other non-controversial issues, have been repeatedly distorted and misconstrued. Not everyone who goes to or graduates from MU should or needs to be Catholic, but they should at least be correctly taught what Catholicism really is.
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So, uh....Father Wild is retiring huh? He's been good for Marquette, and will be missed.
Try to stay on topic guys, or else we'll have to start "moderating" more...
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its not that far off topic, is it? it just sort of morphed into what we would like to see the next president continue or change from Fr. Wild's work...
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I don't think Marquette should be teaching only Catholic ideas. After all, the class is called Theology 101, not Catechism 101. If you want catechism, go to Sunday school. You can't do theology if you don't also learn about other faiths, traditions, worldviews etc. I'd say it's a pretty cheap faith that only wants to hear the official dogma. The only true faith is chosen by the believer, it can't be crammed down anyone's throat, and to be truly chosen the alternatives must also be known. My personal faith was deepened at Marquette precisely because I was encouraged to dig to the core, question the true meaning of my faith, and even explore faiths outside of my own.
In my opinion, Marquette did it right. I learned about a broad spectrum of ideas, maybe even heard a pro-abortion argument along the way from someone employed by the university, but never, ever was that pro-abortion argument even remotely endorsed. It was presented for educational purposes, and having heard that argument I'm better prepared to face it with a reasoned response and more complete understanding. If I was sheltered from different viewpoints, all I would be able to say is abortion = wrong . . . why? because the Vatican told me so.
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its not that far off topic, is it? it just sort of morphed into what we would like to see the next president continue or change from Fr. Wild's work...
I donno, any thread that gets to 7 pages in 6 hours is probably:
a) about a 5 star recruit
or
b) off topic
Stay respectful and we'll let it ride for a while...
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Off topic??? It's on the Superbar...and it's not about politics.
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gumby - I disagree with must of what you have said, but I do like that you posted big John McAdams' blog. As a former student, who honestly would have hated to have Catholicism more stringently enforced while I was there, I do think that Prof McAdams is a good example of MU doing a balancing act better than most schools. I think that if you look at MU as strictly Catholic, you won't be happy. But if you view the Catholic tradition as requiring MU to keep honest in terms of Conservative or Faith-based education priorities, I think it does a nice job. Unfortunately, you can't please everyone. Prof Christopher Wolfe was an example of this. He was an outstanding conservative poli sci professor and penned one of the best books on the Constitution in recent history (an accolade given by minds much greater than my own). Unfortunately Prof Wolfe left MU because he believed it had moved too far away from its Catholic, conservative tradition.
I don't mean to get overly political, but I think a poli sci department is a battleground for the identity of an institution, simply because you can't get away from aligning on one side or the other. Before Dr. Wolfe's departure, MU's best known poli sci (and probably liberal arts as whole) professors were both conservative. I am personally liberal, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I think MU stays more conservative than most universities, and owes much of that to its Catholic tradition.
Dr. Wolfe...one of my favorites (my adviser as well). He was a great thinker to be sure. A throw back. MU lost a great mind when he left. Unfortunate IMO. Big MU hoops fan as well.
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Off topic??? It's on the Superbar...and it's not about politics.
Hah...It got moved 30 min ago from the Al, after my initial post and I didn't realize it (apparently, you never realized it was on the Al...)
Carry on...
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As a bed wetting liberal, as a poly sci major my two favorite prof were Dr. Wolfe and Dr. McAdams. They challenged students to think critially, without saying "I am right, you are wrong.". Both solid profs.
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As a bed wetting liberal, as a poly sci major my two favorite prof were Dr. Wolfe and Dr. McAdams. They challenged students to think critially, without saying "I am right, you are wrong.". Both solid profs.
As a bed wetting conservative (note, not Republican), I just liked how they thought. ;)
Latest on Dr. Wolfe.... http://academic.mu.edu/wolfec/Wolfe.htm
So, question about Father Wild's replacement. I assume it has to be a Jesuit? Is that correct? Is that a requirement in the charter or something?
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I remember when Fr. Donnelly was young. And yes, he was history.
You just dated yourself, good sir.
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If the issue is as crucial to the Catholic identity as Abortion/Right to Life, then it does break it.
People have mentioned a bunch of the things I was referring to earlier, basically the "cafteria catholic" issue Chicos brought up. But there are more serious things that MUeagle discussed that really call into question what is going on at MU at times. The MU administration looks the other way quite often when things are brought to their attention that directly contradict Church teaching.
But it's not just at MU that this is going on. Having a true Catholic like Leahy run a university like BC is becoming a rarity these days.
As far as declining numbers of priests goes, that's what happens when many seminaries have pretty much turned into bathhouses. More traditional, conservative seminaries are doing quite well. There is most certainly a battle for the soul of the Church going on. You just have to find a parish that you are comfortable with. Old St Mary's is a Conservative choice and St Pius is an option if you want a far left leaning parish to name two examples.
Someone mentioned Dorothy Day earlier. Another controversial "honoree" from MU is Gwen Moore.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2008/10/rep-gwen-moore-marquettes-pet-pro.html
LOL the "conservative" seminaries are the ones the most like bathhouses. Look at the Legionnaires, who just got shut down. It was a brainwash/molestation factory.
But I digress. The crux of the argument comes down to Church authority vs. academic freedom. Some people believe that tenured professors shouldn't have the freedom to hold their own opinions and go their own way in terms of research, which is contrary to the very definition of a university. There are schools like this, such as Franciscan University in Steubenville or Liberty University run by Pat Robertson. If you want doctrine shoved down your throat, you can go there.
Marquette values academic freedom. Never once at my time there did a professor tell me innacurrate information regarding church teaching. They said, "this is what the church teachers, and this is what I believe." I don't see the problem in that. The whole point of a college education is hearing different points of view and making an informed decision. You can't do that if you only get one perspective.
One time, back in the 70s, there was a progressive faculty member on the theology department. A big-time conservative donor came up and offered Fr. Raynor a huge donation to strip away his tenure. Fr. Raynor said "his mind is not for sale." God bless the Jesuits and their value in academic freedom. That is why I came to Marquette.
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LOL the "conservative" seminaries are the ones the most like bathhouses. Look at the Legionnaires, who just got shut down. It was a brainwash/molestation factory.
But I digress. The crux of the argument comes down to Church authority vs. academic freedom. Some people believe that tenured professors shouldn't have the freedom to hold their own opinions and go their own way in terms of research, which is contrary to the very definition of a university. There are schools like this, such as Franciscan University in Steubenville or Liberty University run by Pat Robertson. If you want doctrine shoved down your throat, you can go there.
Marquette values academic freedom. Never once at my time there did a professor tell me innacurrate information regarding church teaching. They said, "this is what the church teachers, and this is what I believe." I don't see the problem in that. The whole point of a college education is hearing different points of view and making an informed decision. You can't do that if you only get one perspective.
One time, back in the 70s, there was a progressive faculty member on the theology department. A big-time conservative donor came up and offered Fr. Raynor a huge donation to strip away his tenure. Fr. Raynor said "his mind is not for sale." God bless the Jesuits and their value in academic freedom. That is why I came to Marquette.
I wouldn't go that far. Don't believe the charade that is "academic freedom" in major universities. Marquette, like most major universities, values conformity with the line of thinking of those granting tenure. Young professors are explicitly told that if they have opinions that differ from the majority of the tenured professors, they should keep those opinions to themselves until after they have received tenure. Once you have tenure it's a different story, but until then there is very strong pressure to conform. And don't tell me I'm making this up. I know of specific situations where young professors were directly told not to research or publish articles on specific topics because it would "rub some people the wrong way" and put their tenure at risk. What is sad is that opinions that are often considered to be "controversial" are those that closely follow the teachings of the Catholic church, especially in the health care field . . .
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That happens everywhere, whether it leans one way or the other. You have to toe the line before tenure (maybe 6-7 years of your career), usually to the tune of the rest of the department and the dept. chair. That's just the politics of a university system.
And might I add that those politics are not determined by Fr. Wild or the Jesuits, or anyone in administration. They are internal to the department. The department decides who to hire and who to grant tenure, not Fr. Wild.
But the real difference is what tenure means once its been granted. Universities that value academic freedom, such as Marquette, allow their tenured professors to research where and what they want. Universities that don't force their tenured professors to continue walking the same line.
Marquette obviously does, because there are tenured professors like McAdams (leans right) and Maguire (leans left). Both of their jobs are safe, and that's how it should be.
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So, question about Father Wild's replacement. I assume it has to be a Jesuit? Is that correct? Is that a requirement in the charter or something?
It's in the charter that it has to be a Jesuit. They could change it like Georgetown did if they feel their are no acceptable Jesuit candidates or the best candidate is not a Jesuit.
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The final decision is made by the BoT. The Provincial SJ may have influence, but the Board has the final say in all governance issues.
The Province, and larger Jesuit society as a whole have more influence than you give them credit for.
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Dr. Wolfe...one of my favorites (my adviser as well). He was a great thinker to be sure. A throw back. MU lost a great mind when he left. Unfortunate IMO. Big MU hoops fan as well.
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I took his Civil Liberties class just to fill an elective. It was damn hard...but so rewarding that I had to take Constitutional Law the next semester.
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The Province, and larger Jesuit society as a whole have more influence than you give them credit for.
I was just talking from a legal point of view. I really had no idea of the level of the influence.
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That happens everywhere, whether it leans one way or the other. You have to toe the line before tenure (maybe 6-7 years of your career), usually to the tune of the rest of the department and the dept. chair. That's just the politics of a university system.
And might I add that those politics are not determined by Fr. Wild or the Jesuits, or anyone in administration. They are internal to the department. The department decides who to hire and who to grant tenure, not Fr. Wild.
If MU is like most universities, the President has the final say on tenure. Granted, once it gets to that level, Presidents rarely will go against the department.
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Not a fan of tenure, but that's a discussion for another day.
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Everyone is supposed to think for themselves. The problem arises when professors don't put forth the viewpoint loud and clear by distorting or misrepresenting the actual Catholic teaching on a subject. This prevents the students from making an informed decision. I don't think it's appropriate to name specific professors or classes, but Catholic teaching on issues ranging from hot button issues such as abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, birth control, and social justice, to other non-controversial issues, have been repeatedly distorted and misconstrued. Not everyone who goes to or graduates from MU should or needs to be Catholic, but they should at least be correctly taught what Catholicism really is.
Dr. Maguire????
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Father Lambeck?
Fr Lambert taught the Hinduism and Buddhism class when I was there. He was older than Moses ('98-'99 or so). Rumor has it that he had a stroke mid-semester, missed 1 class and was back at it. Was a good teacher though.
EDIT: Fr Lambert, not Lambeck. unless there were 2 different Jebbies.
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I'd certainly trade the buildings for the Warriors name.
It's funny, I always get calls from MU asking for money from some kid and I always tell them they won't get a cent from me until they bring back the Warriors name. Then the kid always says that they hear that a lot, and I tell them not to call again. But like clockwork, the next call will come in a month or two.
Did you take any math classes at Marquette? Which do you think is greater: tens of millions in donations for new buildings (including the AL) or the $50 you and the other losers "refuse" to give because of a stupid name change that happened 16 years ago?
You people that "refuse to donate" because of the name change really just like the convenient excuse to be cheap. If you disagree so much, why don't you have some integrity and disassociate yourself from Marquette entirely.
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I want to swing off topic and talk about how much I miss Dr. McAdams. I still email him or even pop his office whenever I get the chance. He and align politically. I used to spend a lot of time in his office agreeing with him. Kennedy class was one of my favorites...
I never took a Wolfe class but I knew a lot of students 'marveled at his brilliance.' I avoided the class til I was a senior because of it's difficulty, but he had retired by then. I believe Wolfe was of the Opus Dei sect. They are some of the strictest of catholics to begin with.
I do see what some of the other posters are mentioning when speculating of with wanting to keep a 'conservative catholic' philosophy and not swinging way far to the left like a few already mentioned members of the Theology department. or ones that haven't been mentioned that are very involved in DC politics. They'd probably like Fr. Leahy from BC then since he had a purging of liberal faculty... Not that MU should be swinging to the Bob Jones right either...
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Fr Wild, thank you for your service. Good luck and God's blessings upon you.
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Fr Lambert taught the Hinduism and Buddhism class when I was there. He was older than Moses ('98-'99 or so). Rumor has it that he had a stroke mid-semester, missed 1 class and was back at it. Was a good teacher though.
EDIT: Fr Lambert, not Lambeck. unless there were 2 different Jebbies.
It was definitely Lambeck (Lambech?) in the early 1990's, not Lambert.
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BTW, for anyone wondering, I did graduate from MU. I was on ASMU at the time of the mascot/nickname fiasco with DiUlio and worked for the University (rec center, Athletic Dept), as well.
Don't worry, no one was wondering. I just finished reading this 8 page beast, and this is the first thing I learned.
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Also, thanks Fr. Wild. Met the guy a few times in my 3 years here, and he was as dedicated to the University as any person I've met since. The advancements made on campus speak for themselves.
Hopefully the next guy can maintain the same level of class.
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Nickname or not, it is very, very difficult running a Catholic institution of higher learning these days - and Fr. Wild did a great job for Marquette and made Marquette a more ficscally sound school, and knew the investment in basketball was great for Marquette.
We should only hope we can get someone as good as Fr. Wild to run our school.
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I've been gone for several hours, so just catching up.
First of all, I'm a ma'am and not a sir, and secondly,yes I know I was dating myself by saying I had Fr. Donnelly when he was younger - actually I think he was pretty new to the university at the time. Dr. Maguire had just arrived at the University as well. I spent an afternoon campaigning for George McGovern with his wife. This thread has actually made for some very interesting reading and discussion.
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Learning is not the problem, its practicing. And based on your comment I'd bet you know very little about how healthcare really works . . .
If learning isn't the problem, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Furthermore, they're not practicing anything "unethical" -- or anything at all (and before someone crucifies me for taking a shot at nurses, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, it's a learning institution, not a clinical practice) -- at the nursing school.
As for your latter comment, well, I'll be practicing in 3 years.
Edit: And with that, I bid you, and this thread, adieu.
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I want to swing off topic and talk about how much I miss Dr. McAdams. I still email him or even pop his office whenever I get the chance. He and align politically. I used to spend a lot of time in his office agreeing with him. Kennedy class was one of my favorites...
Dr. McAdams and I are and were very different in our politics, but I enjoyed his classes. I still think about the Kennedy class all the time and its been 14 years since I took the class. I learned a lot about critical thinking skills in that class.
PS: Still don't believe Oswald acted alone. Think he was the lone shooter, but I think he and some other nuts in Dallas "planned" the shooting.
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Dr. McAdams and I are and were very different in our politics, but I enjoyed his classes. I still think about the Kennedy class all the time and its been 14 years since I took the class. I learned a lot about critical thinking skills in that class.
PS: Still don't believe Oswald acted alone. Think he was the lone shooter, but I think he and some other nuts in Dallas "planned" the shooting.
That is exactly how I feel about Wolfe. His politics were nowhere near mine, but he really challenged you on how to think. On top of it all, he is such a decent man. I would see him on the pick-up courts and he would come over and talk with me. And to be honest, his personal politics rarely entered the classroom. IMO, he was the epitome of a college professor.
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I loved Wolfe as a professor, too. I disagree in that I think he clearly let his politics come into the two courses I had him. But if you could make a reasoned argument that went against his principles, he enjoyed it and rewarded it. He didn't take it personally that you disagreed with him. I loved how he would ask during the week or so leading up to a holiday break if anyone was unable to return home, as he would have them to his house for Thanksgiving/Easter dinner. A talented, kind, gracious, funny educator.
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I don't think Marquette should be teaching only Catholic ideas. After all, the class is called Theology 101, not Catechism 101. If you want catechism, go to Sunday school. You can't do theology if you don't also learn about other faiths, traditions, worldviews etc. I'd say it's a pretty cheap faith that only wants to hear the official dogma. The only true faith is chosen by the believer, it can't be crammed down anyone's throat, and to be truly chosen the alternatives must also be known. My personal faith was deepened at Marquette precisely because I was encouraged to dig to the core, question the true meaning of my faith, and even explore faiths outside of my own.
In my opinion, Marquette did it right. I learned about a broad spectrum of ideas, maybe even heard a pro-abortion argument along the way from someone employed by the university, but never, ever was that pro-abortion argument even remotely endorsed. It was presented for educational purposes, and having heard that argument I'm better prepared to face it with a reasoned response and more complete understanding. If I was sheltered from different viewpoints, all I would be able to say is abortion = wrong . . . why? because the Vatican told me so.
The fact that Dan Maguire still teaches at MU says volumes about Academic Freedom. He is so far off the Catholic teaching reservation it isn't funny. Although I could not disagree with him more, I think college students should be exposed to his ideas. I took his class and became a better Catholic for it.
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The fact that Dan Maguire still teaches at MU says volumes about Academic Freedom. He is so far off the Catholic teaching reservation it isn't funny. Although I could not disagree with him more, I think college students should be exposed to his ideas. I took his class and became a better Catholic for it.
Exactly. You don't become a better anything by being constantly inundated with a single set of teachings. Exposure to beliefs other than your own challenges you to evaluate your own beliefs, and allows you to become stronger in them. As you said, college students should absolutely be exposed to such ideas.
(I know I said I was done with this thread, but I couldn't help myself.)
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The fact that Dan Maguire still teaches at MU says volumes about Academic Freedom. He is so far off the Catholic teaching reservation it isn't funny. Although I could not disagree with him more, I think college students should be exposed to his ideas. I took his class and became a better Catholic for it.
I know for awhile after McGuire left the priesthood, MU put a "clause" in Jesuit contracts saying if they leave the priesthood, they must resign their professor position. That got them censured by the AAUP. Is that still the case?
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Exactly. You don't become a better anything by being constantly inundated with a single set of teachings. Exposure to beliefs other than your own challenges you to evaluate your own beliefs, and allows you to become stronger in them. As you said, college students should absolutely be exposed to such ideas.
(I know I said I was done with this thread, but I couldn't help myself.)
I agree. I too became a better Catholic for Maguire's class. He challenged parts of my beliefs that I simply took for granted, but they became stronger because of it. As a matter of fact, I seem to remember some of the students who did the best in his class were decidedly conservative (both politicially and religiously).
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I agree. I too became a better Catholic for Maguire's class. He challenged parts of my beliefs that I simply took for granted, but they became stronger because of it. As a matter of fact, I seem to remember some of the students who did the best in his class were decidedly conservative (both politicially and religiously).
I'm pretty sure he enjoyed the debate.
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Wow this thread went way off-topic pretty quickly.
First of all, it's shameful that people (gumbyandpokey and a few others) care more about a nickname for an athletics programs than they do about the university as a whole. If a cool nickname is a measure of a university, then the Ivy League is sh*tty, Stanford is worthless and NYU is good for nothing. I know we're all basketball fans, but I went to MU for a degree, not for season tickets. Anybody can cheer for MU, but not everybody has the privilege to attend. If you'd still like MU circa 1995--that is, an unsafe place for students, an ugly campus whose nicest building is Cudahy Hall and a mid-tier education--just to get "Warriors" back, then I'd rather you keep your money and your opinion to yourself.
Secondly, if you're whining about how "Catholic" the education is, you should educate yourself about what a Jesuit education entails. If you want a strict Catholic education without any form of questioning or reasoned discourse, you've been mislead for a long time, because MU has never been like that, and thank heavens. Your religion is your responsibility; MU gives ample opportunities to grow in it. Also, clearly you haven't noticed that 45% of our student body IS NOT Catholic. I have Protestant friends, Jewish friends and Muslim friends who all love it at Marquette because it promotes openness and faith, not closed-mindedness and Bible thumping.
Lastly, more growth--in academic prestige and facilities, endowment dollars and applications, national reputation and the caliber of the typical student--has occurred during Fr Wild's tenure than any other president's. Period. If you think Wild's arrogant, you should spend 10 minutes in any academic setting around administrators and faculty and then try arguing that. I have my critiques of the university and of some of the bad decisions the administration has made, but I'm realistic, too. The man has given 14 years to the university, and I hope we get somebody who can accomplish a fraction of what he has.
For what it's worth, I'd be willing to bet a fat, fat chunk of change that the new president will be Fr. John Patrick Fitzgibbons.
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Wow this thread went way off-topic pretty quickly.
First of all, it's shameful that people (gumbyandpokey and a few others) care more about a nickname for an athletics programs than they do about the university as a whole. If a cool nickname is a measure of a university, then the Ivy League is sh*tty, Stanford is worthless and NYU is good for nothing. I know we're all basketball fans, but I went to MU for a degree, not for season tickets. Anybody can cheer for MU, but not everybody has the privilege to attend. If you'd still like MU circa 1995--that is, an unsafe place for students, an ugly campus whose nicest building is Cudahy Hall and a mid-tier education--just to get "Warriors" back, then I'd rather you keep your money and your opinion to yourself.
Secondly, if you're whining about how "Catholic" the education is, you should educate yourself about what a Jesuit education entails. If you want a strict Catholic education without any form of questioning or reasoned discourse, you've been mislead for a long time, because MU has never been like that, and thank heavens. Your religion is your responsibility; MU gives ample opportunities to grow in it. Also, clearly you haven't noticed that 45% of our student body IS NOT Catholic. I have Protestant friends, Jewish friends and Muslim friends who all love it at Marquette because it promotes openness and faith, not closed-mindedness and Bible thumping.
Lastly, more growth--in academic prestige and facilities, endowment dollars and applications, national reputation and the caliber of the typical student--has occurred during Fr Wild's tenure than any other president's. Period. If you think Wild's arrogant, you should spend 10 minutes in any academic setting around administrators and faculty and then try arguing that. I have my critiques of the university and of some of the bad decisions the administration has made, but I'm realistic, too. The man has given 14 years to the university, and I hope we get somebody who can accomplish a fraction of what he has.
For what it's worth, I'd be willing to bet a fat, fat chunk of change that the new president will be Fr. John Patrick Fitzgibbons.
As far as whining about the mascot.....I will only say that Marquette gave up the mascot when nobody was asking them to. MU changed mascots in 1971 , way before it became the thing to do.
Second, while I think that Dan Maguire should be allowed to teach at Marquette for reasons stated in that post, I think Jesuits are squishy on many points of Catholic doctrine. Going into any detail on this would probably get the thread locked, and I think this is a good dialogue. I'll leave it at that.