Washington Redskins change their name

[Lennys Tap]

Because on one side you and others are arguing this is for the Native American population to decide, and you are deciding what is derogatory.  Then you come out and say, "well, actually Indians and Braves isn't that bad"....but some Native Americans say it is.  One such distinguished membership that Hards has brought into the conversation...if they say it is, then do we only taken them for their beliefs on Redskins and not the whole shooting match?  Now you are saying you don't need their help to make a common sense determination....so you're saying they are stupid, dumb, or incapable of common sense?  You're ignoring their core beliefs that these names are wrong?

See the tangled web we weave?  You accuse me of trying to have it both ways, I can't think of a more pertinent poster child of an issue then you on this one.  The majority of Native American people have said Redskins doesn't matter.  You, disagree and SOME Native Americans agree with you.  The majority of Native American people have said Braves, Indians, etc doesn't bother them either.  You agree, despite SOME Native Americans saying it is not right.    LOL

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? I don't give a rat's ass about any polls, their agreement or disagreement with my position is nothing more than coincidental. My position is simple. ALMOST anything goes. If people want to be offended by things that are not patently offensive they can pound sand. That said, I have a brain. A term that by definition is negative and used as a racial slur is a bad idea for a nickname. And I have two good eyes. Caricatures like Willie Wampum and Chief Wahoo don't need to be preserved. Common sense.

[Hards Alumni]

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? I don't give a rat's ass about any polls, their agreement or disagreement with my position is nothing more than coincidental. My position is simple. ALMOST anything goes. If people want to be offended by things that are not patently offensive they can pound sand. That said, I have a brain. A term that by definition is negative and used as a racial slur is a bad idea for a nickname. And I have two good eyes. Caricatures like Willie Wampum and Chief Wahoo don't need to be preserved. Common sense.

Lenny, common sense is a slippery slope.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? I don't give a rat's ass about any polls, their agreement or disagreement with my position is nothing more than coincidental. My position is simple. ALMOST anything goes. If people want to be offended by things that are not patently offensive they can pound sand. That said, I have a brain. A term that by definition is negative and used as a racial slur is a bad idea for a nickname. And I have two good eyes. Caricatures like Willie Wampum and Chief Wahoo don't need to be preserved. Common sense.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that the majority of people you think are being slurred, don't feel they are being slurred and want to keep the name.

Not hard, really...not hard.  You don't think Braves is a big deal...your opinion.  You think Redskins is a big deal.....the people that are supposed to think it is a big deal do not.  So your outrage and your beliefs trump theirs?  I don't think so.

Not hard at all.  Of course you don't care about the polls (unless they are preseason top 25 worthless polls  ), because they tell a story you don't like.  Not hard at all.

[Benny B]

I'm tired of the intolerance. The NCAI rightly thinks that the Redskins mascot, and the Cleveland Indians mascot are both offensive.  I can't believe we are even having this conversation in 2013.

Why is it that people who are always espousing tolerance are the least tolerant people in society?  How many drum circles do you see near 16th and Center protesting violence?  How often do you see a Prius parked outside a supermercado?  Why did the Smoke-Free Wisconsin gestapo have no problem exempting tribal casinos?

BTW - The Redskins name and Chief Wahoo indeed should be shown the door, but not because of anything having to do with tolerance.  Try making an argument while being sensitive to the beliefs of those with different perspectives, and you might actually sway some opinions.  Being confrontational and condescending just makes you seem so damn intolerant.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Lenny, common sense is a slippery slope.

Dear Native Americans, we are smarter than you.  You have no common sense, sorry but that is just the way it is.  You are too stupid to know this is a racial slur, but it is ok because Lenny and I are here to take up the task for you and champion change you do not want because you lack common sense.  So you go on being stupid and without common sense and even though we aren't native Americans ourselves, we know what is best for you and will tell you how you should think.  We will decide for you.  Your opinions do not matter.  Quite frankly, we don't even care what you think.

Sincerely, the Righteous Brothers

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why is it that people who are always espousing tolerance are the least tolerant people in society?  How many drum circles do you see near 16th and Center protesting violence?  How often do you see a Prius parked outside a supermercado?  Why did the Smoke-Free Wisconsin gestapo have no problem exempting tribal casinos?

BAZING.   

Exactly.  Because they are tolerant of THEIR positions, but wholly intolerable on anyone else's.  The most intolerant people around are those that preach it daily.

[Hards Alumni]

Why is it that people who are always espousing tolerance are the least tolerant people in society?  How many drum circles do you see near 16th and Center protesting violence?  How often do you see a Prius parked outside a supermercado?  Why did the Smoke-Free Wisconsin gestapo have no problem exempting tribal casinos?

BTW - The Redskins name and Chief Wahoo indeed should be shown the door, but not because of anything having to do with tolerance.  Try making an argument while being sensitive to the beliefs of those with different perspectives, and you might actually sway some opinions.  Being confrontational and condescending just makes you seem so damn intolerant.

I'm just condescending to those who deserve it.  Nothing new here.  Chicos is just too thick to understand that I am not the person leading the crusade to change the name.  I only acknowledge that the name "Redskins" clearly offends Native Americans, and therefore should be changed.  He has not demonstrated a simple understanding of the facts in that respect.  I have no plans to protest or do anything about it.  I simply cannot understand how someone who claims to be intelligent thinks that it is acceptable to use a racist name as a mascot.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/redskins?s=t

At this point, I'm just walking away from this.

[keefe]

characterizations that are at worst neutral (Indian)

Not everyone agrees, Lenny. A lot of Indians are upset with the gross mischaracterizations surrounding the Indians in Cleveland. Some things are just hurtful. Hurtful I tell you

[ATL MU Warrior]

BAZING.   

Exactly.  Because they are tolerant of THEIR positions, but wholly intolerable on anyone else's.  The most intolerant people around are those that preach it daily.

you were looking in the mirror as you typed this, no?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm just condescending to those who deserve it.  Nothing new here.  Chicos is just too thick to understand that I am not the person leading the crusade to change the name.  I only acknowledge that the name "Redskins" clearly offends Native Americans, and therefore should be changed.  He has not demonstrated a simple understanding of the facts in that respect.  I have no plans to protest or do anything about it.  I simply cannot understand how someone who claims to be intelligent thinks that it is acceptable to use a racist name as a mascot.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/redskins?s=t

At this point, I'm just walking away from this.

Hilarious....your own statement here catches you.  Clearly offends SOME Native Americans.  For a reason known ONLY to you, the word SOME is omitted from your thought process.  In fact the SOME, is actually the MINORITY of Native Americans, another tidbit you ignore.

I cannot understand how someone that claims to be intelligent thinks that a group of people is ok with the name, believes it brings honor to their people but ignores those opinions entirely....basically claims they are stupid (in turn saying these Native Americans that believe this are stupid) and will decide for them.

DO YOU NOW UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR LACK OF TOLERANCE IS SO HYPOCRITICAL?  You tolerate YOUR views and those of others LIKE you.  You do not tolerate the views of the majority of Native Americans who are fine with the name. In fact, you ridicule them for lacking common sense and without intelligence. I can't make it any clearer for you.  Tolerance among the left works like this all the time.  TOLERANT FOR ME, BUT NOT TOLERANT FOR THEE.  MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.   The absolute definition of hypocrisy. 

For the record, I never said you are leading the charge on this, so the thickness comment is out of line.  Your lack of tolerance for the views of Native Americans that you don't agree with, however, is thick.

[ChicosBailBonds]

you were looking in the mirror as you typed this, no?

I'm not the one screaming tolerance.   I'm the one defending the rights of the majority of those people who believe the name is fine and I'm not indicating they lack in intelligence or common sense because I don't agree with them.  This is essentially exactly what you, Lenny, Hards are doing.  You don't like that the majority of Native Americans are ok with the name because it doesn't fit your view, so you then stoop down to say anyone that doesn't hold YOUR views is lacking common sense, lacking intelligence and is intolerant. IRONY....my way or the highway.  My views or you are intolerant.  WOW.  HYPOCRISY 101.  Of course, you guys are so caught up in your world view on this, you don't even recognize it.  Hopefully you can keep educating the dumb Native Americans and put common sense into them until they eventually come around to your position..the right position, the one that is correct, the one that is supreme, the one that is moral, ethical and righteous.

[rocky_warrior]

Listen, I don't really care if you want to turn these discussions into political rants, do it all you like.  BUT DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.  No politics here.  Period.

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/redskins?s=t

At this point, I'm just walking away from this.

I just hope the name Oklahoma is changed soon.   Afterall, it means "Red People" in Choctaw language. 

[keefe]

I just hope the name Oklahoma is changed soon.   Afterall, it means "Red People" in Choctaw language. 

I thought it meant "Land where the wind comes sweeping down the plain"

[ChicosBailBonds]

I thought it meant "Land where the wind comes sweeping down the plain"

Oklahoma is based on Choctaw Indian words which translate as red people (okla meaning "people" and humma meaning "red"). Red people.

The name "Okla (red) Homma (people)" was first suggested in 1866 by a Choctaw, Rev. Allen Wright,

In the Choctaw language, okla means "people;" homma or humma means "red." The English word Indian is "Okla Homma" in Choctaw. In their treaties with the United States, the Choctaws were spoken of as either "The Choctaw Nation of Indians" or "The Choctaw Nation of Red People," the last phrase in each instance being rendered "Okla Homma" in the native language.

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/chronicles/v014/v014p156.html

[keefe]

Oklahoma is based on Choctaw Indian words which translate as red people (okla meaning "people" and humma meaning "red"). Red people.

The name "Okla (red) Homma (people)" was first suggested in 1866 by a Choctaw, Rev. Allen Wright,

In the Choctaw language, okla means "people;" homma or humma means "red." The English word Indian is "Okla Homma" in Choctaw. In their treaties with the United States, the Choctaws were spoken of as either "The Choctaw Nation of Indians" or "The Choctaw Nation of Red People," the last phrase in each instance being rendered "Okla Homma" in the native language.

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/chronicles/v014/v014p156.html

Chico,

I was kidding...

Rodgers and Hammerstein must be dismayed at the insufficiency of your cultural literacy

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chico,

I was kidding...

Rodgers and Hammerstein must be dismayed at the insufficiency of your cultural literacy

I know...the musical Oklahoma....we did it in the 8th grade.    Before someone truly questioned that the name is Red People, figured I better source it and you provided a nice opportunity.

[keefe]

I know...the musical Oklahoma....we did it in the 8th grade.    Before someone truly questioned that the name is Red People, figured I better source it and you provided a nice opportunity.

Laurel meet Hardy?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Strange....weird.  Chico's can't read.

http://deadspin.com/rick-reilly-feels-like-he-quoted-his-father-in-law-corr-1443683582

Very odd.

Reilly....inducted into the National Sportscasters & Sportswriters Hall of Fame.  Today was his last column.

[GGGG]

Reilly was great.  I remember reading his SI stuff 20-30 years ago and thought it was fabulous.  Then he lost his edge.  Starting mailing it in.  Literally repeating columns from years ago.  His ESPN era was absolutely brutal.

[RushmoreAcademy]

This is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen on scoop.
Maybe that can be the next tournament after the meme one is done.

[brandx]

Oklahoma is based on Choctaw Indian words which translate as red people (okla meaning "people" and humma meaning "red"). Red people.

The name "Okla (red) Homma (people)" was first suggested in 1866 by a Choctaw, Rev. Allen Wright,

In the Choctaw language, okla means "people;" homma or humma means "red." The English word Indian is "Okla Homma" in Choctaw. In their treaties with the United States, the Choctaws were spoken of as either "The Choctaw Nation of Indians" or "The Choctaw Nation of Red People," the last phrase in each instance being rendered "Okla Homma" in the native language.

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/chronicles/v014/v014p156.html

The classic Choctaw name. Kinda like Sean O'Reilly in Ireland.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The classic Choctaw name. Kinda like Sean O'Reilly in Ireland.

Rev Allen Wright

[mu72warrior]

Maybe we should use something historical to replace offensive indian names, I suggest LOSERS

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Maybe we should use something historical to replace offensive indian names, I suggest LOSERS

I can't tell if this is a crack at the Washington Redskins football team or Native Americans.

Neither other option is very funny....one is bigoted....but neither is very funny