Author Topic: When I was young and knew everything..... (Read 8866 times)

tower912 · « **on:** March 03, 2018, 04:37:25 PM »

Let's talk about the freshmen. All outside the top 100. All have had to play big minutes. There have been bad games, to be sure. And I sincerely hope Cain and Elliot put on some muscle so that they can hold on to the ball next year. But they have all worked hard on defense. They have all scored timely baskets. IMO, they have put to rest the notion that Wojo can't develop players, as anyone who has paid attention can clearly see that they have gotten better as the season has gone on. I don't know if any of them are ever going to be superstars. But they are the kind of class that a program needs. All glue guys who fill a need and play without fear. Well done, young men.

Herman Cain · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:38:57 PM »

Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2018, 04:37:25 PM

Let's talk about the freshmen. All outside the top 100. All have had to play big minutes. There have been bad games, to be sure. And I sincerely hope Cain and Elliot put on some muscle so that they can hold on to the ball next year. But they have all worked hard on defense. They have all scored timely baskets. IMO, they have put to rest the notion that Wojo can't develop players, as anyone who has paid attention can clearly see that they have gotten better as the season has gone on. I don't know if any of them are ever going to be superstars. But they are the kind of class that a program needs. All glue guys who fill a need and play without fear. Well done, young men.

Guys who can play defense at the Big East level are worth their weight in Gold. When Greg’s thumb is fully healed we will be seeing a very impactful player.

MU82 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:39:09 PM »

Nicely stated, tower.

Smokin' Jae · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:40:15 PM »

IMO Cain and elliot are better finishers and stronger with the ball than both JJJ and Vander were as freshman. Not an indicator of what they will be but certainly of what they can be.

tower912 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:41:25 PM »

On the Dodd's board, Silver Warrior showed that Elliott's numbers compare well to Vander's freshman numbers.

skianth16 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:42:53 PM »

Lots of upside for this class. These kids all play hard and seem to like playing defense, a lot like the 3 amigos from the class of 09. I can't wait to see these guys in a few years.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:43:30 PM »

Hmm..

Lots of people have said wojo hasn't demonstrated an ability to develop talent.

Questionable post

willie warrior · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:44:11 PM »

Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2018, 04:37:25 PM

Let's talk about the freshmen. All outside the top 100. All have had to play big minutes. There have been bad games, to be sure. And I sincerely hope Cain and Elliot put on some muscle so that they can hold on to the ball next year. But they have all worked hard on defense. They have all scored timely baskets. IMO, they have put to rest the notion that Wojo can't develop players, as anyone who has paid attention can clearly see that they have gotten better as the season has gone on. I don't know if any of them are ever going to be superstars. But they are the kind of class that a program needs. All glue guys who fill a need and play without fear. Well done, young men.

Cain will be a stud

jsglow · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:44:18 PM »

Here's another thing to add. We know that Elliott and Cain are fast friends. We also know that Markus is super tight with the Hausers. These guys all like each other and that bodes well for them all wanting to play ball together for as long as possible. All good.

nyg · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:45:30 PM »

With the addition of Morrow, Joey Hauser and a potential Top Tier grad point guard, the competition for playing time is going to be very interesting. Elliott and Cain have both proved they can produce some quality BE minutes, and Theo is sort of a work in progress with potential. Wojo has his players now all lined up, and again it should be very interesting come the fall.

IrwinFletcher · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:52:52 PM »

Look at the improvement of the 3 freshmen Cain, Elliott and Theo.

How about the steps Sam has taken in the last 18 months.

Matt Heldt anyone?

Sacar has shown growth too and that redshirt year really helped him.

Kudos to the staff for making these kids better.

Mr. Sand-Knit · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:55:21 PM »

Agree with wverything but none of it matters unless we have a capable point guard and Howard is the farthest thing from that. Rowseys shot making is huge but his ability to run the team cannot be understated.

Im guessing the “new” in the title is tongue in cheek?

tower912 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2018, 04:56:24 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 03, 2018, 04:55:21 PM

Agree with wverything

Im guessing the “new” in the title is tongue in cheek?

Typo. It happens. Fixed.

MUBigDance · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2018, 05:06:02 PM »

Quote from: nyg on March 03, 2018, 04:45:30 PM

With the addition of Morrow, Joey Hauser and a potential Top Tier grad point guard, the competition for playing time is going to be very interesting. Elliott and Cain have both proved they can produce some quality BE minutes, and Theo is sort of a work in progress with potential. Wojo has his players now all lined up, and again it should be very interesting come the fall.

Maybe it’s a good problem to have but something has to give. I’m tempted to start a poll: “whose most likely to be gone next year”....but that’s a bit negative.

I just don’t know the personalities, pressures, personal goals of these guys. Who is apt to look for minutes elsewhere?

I want all the frosh to stay. Sacar to stay. Morrow, bailey to join in. Heldt to finish, and even Froling to feel like he has a role to play. And of course Sam and Markus to own it and lead us.

But where will the minutes come from.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2018, 05:06:29 PM »

Quote from: Herman Cain on March 03, 2018, 04:38:57 PM

Guys who can play defense at the Big East level are worth their weight in Gold. When Greg’s thumb is fully healed we will be seeing a very impactful player.

I agree with this anaylsis

Quote from: willie warrior on March 03, 2018, 04:44:11 PM

Cain will be a stud

And this analysis

Its DJOver · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2018, 05:07:17 PM »

There was a point with about 6 minutes left in the second half when we had three freshman in the game and I was totally fine with it. Great growth as the year has progressed

PGsHeroes32 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2018, 05:15:52 PM »

Love all 3.

Cain definitely has the highest ceiling in my opinion. He has potential to be the one of the guys as a upperclassman.

I think Greg will always be quality and if the healthy thumb and added muscle helps him handle the ball, will be fun.

Theo is the most fun to think about what he can be as a Junior and Senior. He’s got the BE body no doubt. Big reason weve kept Delgado in check this year. Would love if he turned into a X type big man Reynolds/Farr and even Jones.

NickelDimer · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2018, 05:17:43 PM »

I love the freshman class. It’s definitely the most “big east” class Wojo has recruited. Really hoping they stay together four years

GB Warrior · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2018, 05:38:52 PM »

Cain is going to be whatever he wants to be. He can be a role player - an expanded version of what he is this year. Or he can be one of the big boys, and as soon as next season. I've said it before: he can be a better version of JJJ, for as good as he was at the end.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2018, 05:58:34 PM »

Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2018, 04:56:24 PM

Typo. It happens. Fixed.
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Yeah, happens ta mee all da tyme two, hey?

T-Bone · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:03:47 PM »

Theo has had some really great in game learning moments with Wojo. A few games back the basket interference, and a foul call today. Wojo saw him hang his head and immediately brought him under his wing.
I really think Theo will be a 10 and 10 guy by junior year. He's learning, but has the skills to get there.

T-Bone · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:04:50 PM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 03, 2018, 05:58:34 PM

Yeah, happens ta mee all da tyme two, hey?

Goddamn TYME machines. Eat a sack of dicks M&I!

rocket surgeon · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:08:57 PM »

Eliot, with the exception of being a few inches taller than “grasshopper”, can friggin sky!! Looking forward to seeing this guy get old with Cain and the rest

willie warrior · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:11:47 PM »

Quote from: GB Warrior on March 03, 2018, 05:38:52 PM

Cain is going to be whatever he wants to be. He can be a role player - an expanded version of what he is this year. Or he can be one of the big boys, and as soon as next season. I've said it before: he can be a better version of JJJ, for as good as he was at the end.

cain will be better than JJJ

tower912 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:15:34 PM »

He understands his defensive responsibilities far better than JjJ did as a freshman. His 3 pt shot is better. JjJ was better going to the rack.

We R Final Four · « **Reply #25 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:19:21 PM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on March 03, 2018, 05:07:17 PM

There was a point with about 6 minutes left in the second half when we had three freshman in the game and I was totally fine with it. Great growth as the year has progressed

Yes—and 2 sophomores!

Its DJOver · « **Reply #26 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:20:37 PM »

Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on March 03, 2018, 06:19:21 PM

Yes—and 2 sophomores!

I believe it was one sophomore and one senior, but the point still stands

Loose Cannon · « **Reply #27 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:21:50 PM »

Quote from: T-Bone on March 03, 2018, 06:03:47 PM

Theo has had some really great in game learning moments with Wojo. A few games back the basket interference, and a foul call today. Wojo saw him hang his head and immediately brought him under his wing.
I really think Theo will be a 10 and 10 guy by junior year. He's learning, but has the skills to get there.

Thanks for posting that, I missed it.

We R Final Four · « **Reply #28 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:24:00 PM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on March 03, 2018, 06:20:37 PM

I believe it was one sophomore and one senior, but the point still stands

Ok. At a different point in the game mu had 3 frosh, 2 Sophs. And, like you, I was ok—earlier in the year I was holding my breath.

PJDunn · « **Reply #29 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:25:22 PM »

Quote from: T-Bone on March 03, 2018, 06:03:47 PM

Theo has had some really great in game learning moments with Wojo. A few games back the basket interference, and a foul call today. Wojo saw him hang his head and immediately brought him under his wing.
I really think Theo will be a 10 and 10 guy by junior year. He's learning, but has the skills to get there.

Theo will be a force next year. Frolling is going to be riding the pine.

Nukem2 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:28:39 PM »

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 03, 2018, 05:17:43 PM

I love the freshman class. It’s definitely the most “big east” class Wojo has recruited. Really hoping they stay together four years

Well, Markus and Sam might qualify as well......

Its DJOver · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2018, 06:28:52 PM »

Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on March 03, 2018, 06:24:00 PM

Ok. At a different point in the game mu had 3 frosh, 2 Sophs. And, like you, I was ok—earlier in the year I was holding my breath.

You're probably right, I must have just missed it, bottom line, a lot to look forward to going forward. Might not be the class with the best overall potential, but best BEast attitude of any of wojos classes.

Goose · « **Reply #32 on:** March 03, 2018, 07:01:35 PM »

I have mentioned several times over the season, it is a nice class. At this point, I think GE and JC can can be nice contributors and possibly more. As for Theo, he might have more upside than I thought a month ago and time will tell. Doubt this is the class sitting in locker room celebrating BE championship and being told by Wojo that they were the class that helped provide gram turn the corner. IMO, if MU is to take big step forward, this gang needs to be bi role players and not go the guys.

GB Warrior · « **Reply #33 on:** March 03, 2018, 07:03:17 PM »

Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2018, 06:15:34 PM

He understands his defensive responsibilities far better than JjJ did as a freshman. His 3 pt shot is better. JjJ was better going to the rack.

This is what I want to see out of Cain. We know he has it in him. He could be a hellacious slasher.

TSmith34, Inc. · « **Reply #34 on:** March 03, 2018, 07:18:08 PM »

Really, really like those three. I do think they were fortunate in that they didn't have to shoulder any of the scoring load and could be really selective with their shots (though I think Theo had a tendency to force it a bit since he didn't see the ball that much). The kind of guys that will develop into real forces when they are upperclassmen.

connie · « **Reply #35 on:** March 03, 2018, 07:36:07 PM »

Quote from: T-Bone on March 03, 2018, 06:04:50 PM

Goddamn TYME machines. Eat a sack of dicks M&I!

There we go!
https://dicksbymail.com

MU82 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 03, 2018, 10:14:11 PM »

Quote from: GB Warrior on March 03, 2018, 05:38:52 PM

Cain is going to be whatever he wants to be.

I hope he wants to be Kevin Durant!

Its DJOver · « **Reply #37 on:** March 03, 2018, 10:16:23 PM »

Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2018, 10:14:11 PM

I hope he wants to be Kevin Durant!

You kidding me, I hope he wants to be Brad Davidson, maybe even Tyler Herro

MU82 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 03, 2018, 11:40:15 PM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on March 03, 2018, 10:16:23 PM

You kidding me, I hope he wants to be Brad Davidson, maybe even Tyler Herro

I chuckled.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #39 on:** March 04, 2018, 08:51:23 AM »

Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2018, 04:41:25 PM

On the Dodd's board, Silver Warrior showed that Elliott's numbers compare well to Vander's freshman numbers.

His comp posts are honestly so far off base. It’s crazy.

brewcity77 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 04, 2018, 09:56:44 AM »

Quote from: Jay Bee on March 04, 2018, 08:51:23 AM

His comp posts are honestly so far off base. It’s crazy.

He's strictly a basic stats guy. Not at all on the advanced analytic path.

muwarrior69 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 04, 2018, 03:23:57 PM »

Quote from: MUBigDance on March 03, 2018, 05:06:02 PM

Maybe it’s a good problem to have but something has to give. I’m tempted to start a poll: “whose most likely to be gone next year”....but that’s a bit negative.

I just don’t know the personalities, pressures, personal goals of these guys. Who is apt to look for minutes elsewhere?

I want all the frosh to stay. Sacar to stay. Morrow, bailey to join in. Heldt to finish, and even Froling to feel like he has a role to play. And of course Sam and Markus to own it and lead us.

But where will the minutes come from.

...and the forgotten man Ike Eke. If he can block and rebound and get stops on the defensive end he'll get some minutes too.

dgies9156 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 04, 2018, 04:09:40 PM »

Quote from: Goose on March 03, 2018, 07:01:35 PM

IMO, if MU is to take big step forward, this gang needs to be bi role players and not go the guys.

Goose, I hope you're wrong in the sense that someone from this class opens up and surprises us. I'm more inclined to believe it is Greg Elliott but like you, time will tell.

If they are the role guys on a Big East champ and contributors to our next Nat Champ, so be it.

skianth16 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 04, 2018, 04:35:55 PM »

Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2018, 10:14:11 PM

I hope he wants to be Kevin Durant!

So he'll transfer to the team he expects to win the championship next year?

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #44 on:** March 04, 2018, 04:43:15 PM »

Quote from: skianth16 on March 04, 2018, 04:35:55 PM

So he'll transfer to the team he expects to win the championship next year?

Ha! I chuckled

wadesworld · « **Reply #45 on:** March 04, 2018, 04:51:23 PM »

Quote from: skianth16 on March 04, 2018, 04:35:55 PM

So he'll transfer to the team he expects to win the championship next year?

If he’s the best scorer in the NCAA and Markus passes the ball as rarely as Russ did could you blame him?

After this season Russ will have won 1 MVP and run 2 other MVPs out of town, all while their best ball was still ahead of them.

Loose Cannon · « **Reply #46 on:** March 04, 2018, 05:06:09 PM »

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 04, 2018, 03:23:57 PM

...and the forgotten man Ike Eke. If he can block and rebound and get stops on the defensive end he'll get some minutes too.

Yep if his back is OK he might be the one we remember the most from this class. Tall, lanky, and with his years of developing Soccer legs and feet skills. Something we been missing for a long time.

The Lens · « **Reply #47 on:** March 04, 2018, 07:38:04 PM »

Worrying about playing time is a ridiculous exercise. Sam & Markus could go pro after next year. Just keep acquiring talent. That’s the most important thing. The run always figures itself out.

Goose · « **Reply #48 on:** March 04, 2018, 11:26:56 PM »

Dgies

I agree on GE having a chance to break out next year or year after that. I did not state my Theo point well. A month ago I thought he was 8-10 min guy at best, but he might end up being contributor beyond that. His ceiling is higher than I originally thought.

MU82 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 05, 2018, 09:14:40 AM »

Quote from: The Lens on March 04, 2018, 07:38:04 PM

Worrying about playing time is a ridiculous exercise. Sam & Markus could go pro after next year. Just keep acquiring talent. That’s the most important thing. The run always figures itself out.

This.

ABR

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 05, 2018, 09:25:44 AM »

The Verve Pipe.

tower912 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 05, 2018, 09:35:20 AM »

Somebody finally acknowledged it!

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 05, 2018, 09:36:49 AM »

Haha....every time I see the headline, the song runs through my head!

DUNKS45 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 05, 2018, 09:41:53 AM »

Quote from: The Lens on March 04, 2018, 07:38:04 PM

Worrying about playing time is a ridiculous exercise. Sam & Markus could go pro after next year. Just keep acquiring talent. That’s the most important thing. The run always figures itself out.

ABSOLUTLY

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