Kolek planning to go pro
Lot of stuff about Buzz being a bad dude in this thread....how he dealt with the sexual assault investigation.The NCAA is really a small community....not many secrets with the kind of stuff MU went through.VT and TAMU must have, or at least should have known about the reprehensible stuff that Buzz allegedly did. * Was it overblown? * Was the truth somewhere in the middle? * Did VT and TAMU know the full extent? * Did they care? * Should they care? * Did they look the other way? * Was Buzz's behavior not that egregious? * Did Buzz just get some of his slime on P.J Fleck by association?
I think you hit on it, RC83. Is Buzz a bad dude? Did VT and TAMU know details of this situation, good or bad? The crowd that goes with ‘I heard stories’…or, ‘he supposedly did this or did that’…the conjecture crowd. Ridiculous.
It's reported. It's sourced. Broeker is quoted. It's not conjecture.
Life is rarely a set of binary choices, but many like to think so. After some time goes by new data/new behavior is observed.In the "real world", anyone a fan of second chance hiring? That can be some of your best hiring...ever.
That's not the point. No one is saying Buzz couldn't run a program better than he did here. But what happened here isn't conjecture or "I heard stories" like Viper alleged. It's reported & documented.I have no problem with people supporting Buzz getting a second chance. But what happened at Marquette happened. Buzz walked because our administration preferred to let him leave than let him rehab his actions here. When Buzz said "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" he was being honest and that's exactly what happened. And MU was not in the wrong to let him go.
What is being said here is undoubtedly true. I have even heard the basic facts from someone who I would describe as a "Buzz ally." He improperly inserted himself into a Title IX case. Now did he do so because of a coordinated effort to discredit the alleged victim and protect his player? Or was it because he was either improperly trained or just wanted to get more information? Maybe a little of both? That to me is where the rub is here.
I wonder how many times he mysteriously appeared before a judge with no court records like Jimmy supposedly did.
Again, the issue was that Marquette University wasn't following Title IX in regard to Obama sexual assaults order. From the Administration to the Athletic Department to the Dean of Students to MU Police to Gerry Boyle to the basketball coach. They were following the official university (flawed) policy. The players went through the process (peer review) and were handed down suspensions. MU Police did not alert MPD. Every article and this history makes it sound like it was all on Buzz (not to excuse him). The university handled this the same way as they would have clergy abuse in those days (and that caught up with Fr. Wild). It was a horrible decision then and the school dearly paid for it. Buzz wasn't sued.
I understand that they weren't following guidelines. But I have worked in higher education for 30 years, and at no point during my career has "encouraging contact with the alleged victim" been O.K.
Same thing happens with Al & Rick? What do they do? Probably closer to Buzz.Hank is 100% calling his boss and staying out of it.
If Buzz called his team together and outright directed them to lie or gave them a script that all were to adhere to regarding what happened, then I'd be blasting him worse than some of you guys.On the other hand, if he gathered the team and told them to STFU until the lawyers showed up, and then to only answer the questions posed to them, I'd congratulate him for standing up for his players the way a good father would stand up for a son who found himself in a similar jam.I suspect what probably happened was somewhere in the middle, and since I wasn't present, I'm not making any judgments. I don't love Buzz enough to go to the wall for him, but I also have no axe to grind, either.
And, I again never said it was. It's not okay in business either. My point is this thread (and in media coverage) is very one-sided and puts the entirety of the blame on just one person ("Buzz didn't follow Title IX"). The university effed this up royally. That part continues to get swept under the rug. It was a major fail.