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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: muguru on February 25, 2017, 06:24:36 PM
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Sad as it is, but it's true. You have a Senior class that disappears when you need them the most. You have a Coach that sits his best perimeter defender the entire 2nd half, waits to long to put the best shooter in CBB back in the game, and draws up plays late in the game for JuJaun Johnson to drive it?? Seriously, you have the best shooter in CBB, the damn ball should be in his hands. The choking is getting old and tiresome. When it's all on the line, they simply can't get it done. Why should they be rewarded with a tournament bid??
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Sad as it is, but it's true. You have a Senior class that disappears when you need them the most. You have a Coach that sits his best perimeter defender the entire 2nd half, waits to long to put the best shooter in CBB back in the game, and draws up plays late in the game for JuJaun Johnson to drive it?? Seriously, you have the best shooter in CBB, the damn ball should be in his hands. The choking is getting old and tiresome. When it's all on the line, they simply can't get it done. Why should they be rewarded with a tournament bid??
They won't be unless they shoot 60% from 3 point range in the BE tournament. Seriously, how do you lose a game where you shoot 55% from 3 pt range? 99% of the time you win those games. Deplorable, uninspired defensive play from MU and the Sweaty Floor Slapper.
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Because their resume will be worthy of one of the 36 at large spots, assuming we can get 1/2 to finish the year.
Need to avoid the 7 seed in the BE tourney tho.
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Sad as it is, but it's true. You have a Senior class that disappears when you need them the most. You have a Coach that sits his best perimeter defender the entire 2nd half, waits to long to put the best shooter in CBB back in the game, and draws up plays late in the game for JuJaun Johnson to drive it?? Seriously, you have the best shooter in CBB, the damn ball should be in his hands. The choking is getting old and tiresome. When it's all on the line, they simply can't get it done. Why should they be rewarded with a tournament bid??
Well, if we go 2-2 or worse the rest of the way I won't blame the committee if they leave us out, that's for sure.
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Because their resume will be worthy of one of the 36 at large spots, assuming we can get 1/2 to finish the year.
I'm not as optimistic as you with 9 wins. But if MU wins the next two, they absolutely deserve to make the tourney!
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Oh shut up. A few hours ago you were guaranteeing this a win and talking about all the trash you'd talk to the "haters" after the game because Providence is such and awful team. Now you're crying and it's the end of the world because we lost like many of us expected we would.
When we beat Xavier and Creighton, you'll be back to crowing about how great this team is and that we have a shot at winning the Big East Tournament. Such a fairweather fan.
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I'm not as optimistic as you with 9 wins. But if MU wins the next two, they absolutely deserve to make the tourney!
At this point I think we're in Dayton unless we win our last 2, but I mean who are they gonna take instead? A 15 loss Vandy team we smoked? Under .500 B12 teams in K State (currently getting smoked by Ok) or TCU who will have 14 losses? A 6-12 Clemson team? A 15 loss Wake team? How about a 15 loss Georgia Tech team?
Today sucked. But we're still in decent shape for one of the final four bids at 9-9.
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Because their resume will be worthy of one of the 36 at large spots, assuming we can get 1/2 to finish the year.
Need to avoid the 7 seed in the BE tourney tho.
Which they currently hold...gonna be tough now, PC owns the tiebreaker, SH owns the tiebreaker 3rd is pretty much out of the question with PC's two cake games remaining.
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Oh shut up. A few hours ago you were guaranteeing this a win and talking about all the trash you'd talk to the "haters" after the game because Providence is such and awful team. Now you're crying and it's the end of the world because we lost like many of us expected we would.
When we beat Xavier and Creighton, you'll be back to crowing about how great this team is and that we have a shot at winning the Big East Tournament. Such a fairweather fan.
Take your "sunshine" someplace else a$$ clown. Tired of your BS. They don't deserve to be in the tourney..if you can't see that then you are a dumba$$. A team that chokes like they do..doesn't deserve it, if I'm the committee, they certainly don't pass the eye test to me. They lost in gut wrenching fashion and of course here's brew...over it in 2 seconds and keeps clinging to this false hope he has...everything is sunshine and balloons in your world isn't it?? Just because you can get over losses easier than anyone I have ever seen(probably never played a sport in your life, no competitive bone in your body), doesn't mean we all can. we are entitled to say whatever we want to say, some of us GIVE a crap about this team, understand??
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Which they currently hold...gonna be tough now, PC owns the tiebreaker, SH owns the tiebreaker 3rd is pretty much out of the question with PC's two cake games remaining.
I'm not concerned about the 3. Just want to avoid playing DePaul. Give me the 5 or the 6.
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Take your "sunshine" someplace else a$$ clown. Tired of your BS. They don't deserve to be in the tourney..if you can't see that then you are a dumba$$. A team that chokes like they do..doesn't deserve it, if I'm the committee, they certainly don't pass the eye test to me. They lost in gut wrenching fashion and of course here's brew...over it in 2 seconds and keeps clinging to this false hope he has...everything is sunshine and balloons in your world isn't it?? Just because you can get over losses easier than anyone I have ever seen(probably never played a sport in your life, no competitive bone in your body), doesn't mean we all can. we are entitled to say whatever we want to say, some of us GIVE a crap about this team, understand??
What if they make the tourney?
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Oh shut up. A few hours ago you were guaranteeing this a win and talking about all the trash you'd talk to the "haters" after the game because Providence is such and awful team. Now you're crying and it's the end of the world because we lost like many of us expected we would.
When we beat Xavier and Creighton, you'll be back to crowing about how great this team is and that we have a shot at winning the Big East Tournament. Such a fairweather fan.
Tell you what...after they lose one of these next two(or both down the stretch) I want you to finally post something negative about them and how they perform..rather than saying "hey, the NIT is progress, I'm hopeful". You will never see me post here again, deal??
The hell I will be saying they are the best team in the Big east..I never have, but whatever fits your agenda. They ain't winning the last two, and even if they do and get in the tourney...they don't deserve to be there. Whether the numbers say they do or not. They can't finish games, the coach can't make proper in game adjustments, the Seniors don't step up when needed most, and they flat out choke like no team I have ever seen before...But hey the NIT is progress, so we have that going for us.
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What if they make the toutney?
What if they do?? It doesn't mean they deserve to be there..the #'s may say they do, but the eye test certainly doesn't. IF they get in, it would be simply because it's the worst year maybe ever for bubble teams. Do they look like a tourney team to you??
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If the Warriors manage to go 1-1 in the BE, and win 2 games in the BET, maybe, maybe they deserve a NCAA bid.
The reality is that this is a NIT team, and they showed it today by failing to close-out the win.
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What if they do?? It doesn't mean they deserve to be there..the #'s may say they do, but the eye test certainly doesn't. IF they get in, it would be simply because it's the worst year maybe ever for bubble teams. Do they look like a tourney team to you??
Well now I know I can't take you seriously. Thanks.
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Well now I know I can't take you seriously. Thanks.
Answer the question...honestly, do they look like a tourney team to you??
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Answer the question...honestly, do they look like a tourney team to you??
They look like exactly what they are...a bubble team that is very much Alive.
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Answer the question...honestly, do they look like a tourney team to you??
They look like a bubble team. I'm as frustrated as anyone with today and some of the blown leads this season.
But you can't say they're not a tourney team with two games and the conference tourney left; and then say they're not a tourney team even if they make the tourney because they don't pass the eye test. It doesn't work that way.
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They look like exactly what they are...a bubble team that is very much Alive.
Yep.
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The Big East is a tough conference. Every possession is a battle. We played on the road against a well coach team with solid talent. The arena was full and conditions were difficult . We played hard and came up on the wrong end of the score. I still think we are tournament worthy, we just need to win the next two plus two in the BET. My view is we get in with 21 wins.
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The Warriors need some big time magic in the BET to make the tourney. I'm not seeing it.
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The Big East is a tough conference. Every possession is a battle. We played on the road against a well coach team with solid talent. The arena was full and conditions were difficult . We played hard and came up on the wrong end of the score. I still think we are tournament worthy, we just need to win the next two plus two in the BET. My view is we get in with 21 wins.
Whats your thought process behind needing 21 wins? Because theres zero logical explanation to it. What metrics are you using?
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Take your "sunshine" someplace else a$$ clown. Tired of your BS. They don't deserve to be in the tourney..if you can't see that then you are a dumba$$. A team that chokes like they do..doesn't deserve it, if I'm the committee, they certainly don't pass the eye test to me. They lost in gut wrenching fashion and of course here's brew...over it in 2 seconds and keeps clinging to this false hope he has...everything is sunshine and balloons in your world isn't it?? Just because you can get over losses easier than anyone I have ever seen(probably never played a sport in your life, no competitive bone in your body), doesn't mean we all can. we are entitled to say whatever we want to say, some of us GIVE a crap about this team, understand??
First, it's SEASHELLS and balloons, if you're going to cheer for Marquette, you have to get that one right. And just because you're a whiny little bitch who flip flops with every result doesn't make you some kind of superfan, it makes you a fairweather punk who doesn't know the first thing about actually cheering for a team through good AND bad.
When this team starts winning at a high level again, fans like you don't deserve to still be on the bandwagon. I just can't respect someone who puffs his chest after every win and pouts after every loss.
Welcome to reality. Sometimes it hurts. The mark of a man is how he deals with adversity. Suffice to say, you fail that test miserably.
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The Warriors need some big time magic in the BET to make the tourney. I'm not seeing it.
If, and it's a big if, they win the next two they are very likely in.
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If, and it's a big if, they win the next two they are very likely in.
It could happen . . . but who would actually take that bet. Best case is the Warrior win 1, and end 9-9 in the BE, then they would need at least 2 wins in the BET to make the tourney.
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It could happen . . . but who would actually take that bet. Best case is the Warrior win 1, and end 9-9 in the BE, then they would need at least 2 wins in the BET to make the tourney.
You don't know the first thing about this bubble, do you? ;D
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If, and it's a big if, they win the next two they are very likely in.
It's an if but not a big if, I think we can get the next two.
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First, it's SEASHELLS and balloons, if you're going to cheer for Marquette, you have to get that one right. And just because you're a whiny little bitch who flip flops with every result doesn't make you some kind of superfan, it makes you a fairweather punk who doesn't know the first thing about actually cheering for a team through good AND bad.
When this team starts winning at a high level again, fans like you don't deserve to still be on the bandwagon. I just can't respect someone who puffs his chest after every win and pouts after every loss.
Welcome to reality. Sometimes it hurts. The mark of a man is how he deals with adversity. Suffice to say, you fail that test miserably.
Listen son(and i can call you that) you might want to retract that punk statement. I have forgotten more about MU hoops and basketball in general then you will ever know. When this team starts winning at a high level again?? What 3 years?? 4 years?? The mark of a passionate fan is one who takes losses extremely hard, and doesn't settle for mediocrity at any time, regardless of circumstances. And isn't satisfied with NIT berths because it's "progress". You fail that test miserably, that is for sure!
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You don't know the first thing about this bubble, do you? ;D
I don't like to leave anything to the committee. I want it carved in stone. ;D
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Listen son(and i can call you that) you might want to retract that punk statement. I have forgotten more about MU hoops and basketball in general then you will ever know. When this team starts winning at a high level again?? What 3 years?? 4 years?? The mark of a passionate fan is one who takes losses extremely hard, and doesn't settle for mediocrity at any time, regardless of circumstances. And isn't satisfied with NIT berths because it's "progress". You fail that test miserably, that is for sure!
You seem like a really kind person.
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Listen son(and i can call you that) you might want to retract that punk statement. I have forgotten more about MU hoops and basketball in general then you will ever know. When this team starts winning at a high level again?? What 3 years?? 4 years?? The mark of a passionate fan is one who takes losses extremely hard, and doesn't settle for mediocrity at any time, regardless of circumstances. And isn't satisfied with NIT berths because it's "progress". You fail that test miserably, that is for sure!
brew, remember that he cares SO MUCH for Marquette, that earlier this week he bragged about sacrificing his marriage for the cause. :o
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So if they get selected they should decline? Definitely a rocky roller coaster with this squad but this post SMH
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brew, remember that he cares SO MUCH for Marquette, that earlier this week he bragged about sacrificing his marriage for the cause. :o
Oh good, now Sultan is here too...you are damn right, I sacrificed my marriage for MU. I wish people would stop questioning my passion. I think that speaks for itself.
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guru - brew. Knock it off. You're both better than hurling insults.
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If the Warriors manage to go 1-1 in the BE, and win 2 games in the BET, maybe, maybe they deserve a NCAA bid.
If that happens, that means for the first time ever, Marquette will be in the Big East Tournament Championship Game. They would be a stone cold lock.
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Oh shut up. A few hours ago you were guaranteeing this a win and talking about all the trash you'd talk to the "haters" after the game because Providence is such and awful team. Now you're crying and it's the end of the world because we lost like many of us expected we would.
When we beat Xavier and Creighton, you'll be back to crowing about how great this team is and that we have a shot at winning the Big East Tournament. Such a fairweather fan.
We might beat Creighton
But we ain't beating both
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Any y'all no if Butthole was at da game? We can blame his ass, hey?
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Listen son(and i can call you that) you might want to retract that punk statement. I have forgotten more about MU hoops and basketball in general then you will ever know. When this team starts winning at a high level again?? What 3 years?? 4 years?? The mark of a passionate fan is one who takes losses extremely hard, and doesn't settle for mediocrity at any time, regardless of circumstances. And isn't satisfied with NIT berths because it's "progress". You fail that test miserably, that is for sure!
I'm not your son because my parents aren't whiny little bitches. Yousimply don't deserve a good team.
Whether it's two or twenty years, you don't deserve a good team because you aren't a good fan. And yes, progress is progress, even when it's incremental. Once our postseason play starts, and it will, your shouldn't even bother cheering for Marquette. Because this season will end with a loss, and I'm not sure your psyche can handle it.
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Whats your thought process behind needing 21 wins? Because theres zero logical explanation to it. What metrics are you using?
I don't trust the committee. So I figure 20 is the minimum optics we need to make and I am saying 21 to have a very competitive resume. Also it gives us some positive trend .
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guru - brew. Knock it off. You're both better than hurling insults.
Swordfights are the worst.
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I'm not your son because my parents aren't whiny little bitches. Yousimply don't deserve a good team.
Whether it's two or twenty years, you don't deserve a good team because you aren't a good fan. And yes, progress is progress, even when it's incremental. Once our postseason play starts, and it will, your shouldn't even bother cheering for Marquette. Because this season will end with a loss, and I'm not sure your psyche can handle it.
Okay whatever. You enjoy the CBI or whatever tournament this team plays in at the end of the year. You don't deserve a good team, and that's the truth. if you can't be a TRUE fan and criticize when they deserve it, then what is the point?? We all want them to win(even you), some of us just care a lot more about winning and HATE losing. Again...show me a good loser and I will show you a loser. - Vince Lombardi
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It's an if but not a big if, I think we can get the next two.
How about calling it a "medium" if?
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Swordfights are the worst.
https://www.youtube.com/v/whSrucazuLc
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If that happens, that means for the first time ever, Marquette will be in the Big East Tournament Championship Game. They would be a stone cold lock.
Agree, but I want a lock.
I don't think 1-1, and 1-1 in the BET gets the Warriors into the tournament.
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Okay whatever. You enjoy the CBI or whatever tournament this team plays in at the end of the year. You don't deserve a good team, and that's the truth. if you can't be a TRUE fan and criticize when they deserve it, then what is the point?? We all want them to win(even you), some of us just care a lot more about winning and HATE losing. Again...show me a good loser and I will show you a loser. - Vince Lombardi
Caring about winning does not equate to how you react when they lose a tough game.
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Okay whatever. You enjoy the CBI or whatever tournament this team plays in at the end of the year. You don't deserve a good team, and that's the truth. if you can't be a TRUE fan and criticize when they deserve it, then what is the point?? We all want them to win(even you), some of us just care a lot more about winning and HATE losing. Again...show me a good loser and I will show you a loser. - Vince Lombardi
Did you skip the handshake line to throw a hissy fit after little league games?
If you were on the court (in any capacity) I could understand throwing this monster fit but it seems like a lot of misery to put yourself through for something you literally have zero control over.
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How about calling it a "medium" if?
I can go with that, medium if it is.
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Okay whatever. You enjoy the CBI or whatever tournament this team plays in at the end of the year. You don't deserve a good team, and that's the truth. if you can't be a TRUE fan and criticize when they deserve it, then what is the point?? We all want them to win(even you), some of us just care a lot more about winning and HATE losing. Again...show me a good loser and I will show you a loser. - Vince Lombardi
Well, Marquette lost, you claim to be a Marquette fan, ergo...
I am happy to criticize. I've been critical in the past. But there's a difference between being critical and whining. Yelling and screaming and ruining your marriage and losing your mind all the time just isn't healthy. That crap doesn't make you a true fan.
I'm a fan every day, not just when it makes me happy. Do I want this team to improve? Yes. The defense needs to get better. The youngsters need to grow up. I'd like to say the seniors need to play like seniors, but if Luke and JJ aren't there after 28 games, what's the odds that'll change?
But going batcrap crazy online and pissing and moaning won't change that. That isn't holding the program accountable. You confuse anger with passion. The two aren't the same. But just like our seniors don't seem likely to learn, my guess is you won't either. Thankfully for me, that's not my problem.
My sincere advice is you give up sports. I don't think you have the maturity or the mental fortitude to handle it.
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I can go with that, medium if it is.
Excellent compromise.
(http://kramersapartment.com/wp-content/uploads/tim-whatley-1.jpg)
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Excellent compromise.
(http://kramersapartment.com/wp-content/uploads/tim-whatley-1.jpg)
F'n dentists. ;D
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You rang dude, hey?
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F'n dentists. ;D
Next thing you're going to be telling me is they should have their own schools.
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Oh good, now Sultan is here too...you are damn right, I sacrificed my marriage for MU. I wish people would stop questioning my passion. I think that speaks for itself.
Seriously man, defining your entire self-worth based on the entertainment provided by a group of teen agers? You really might want to gain some perspective before it consumes you. Best wishes.
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We might beat Creighton
But we ain't beating both
I don't know. We could definitely lose 1 or both. But I think we match up well with X even wit Bluiett back.
Frankly I thought today was the most difficult game left. And we almost had it.
I'm frustrated as all hell but not willing to give up quite yet
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Any y'all no if Butthole was at da game? We can blame his ass, hey?
Porky did not attend. Mulled it over all morning but ultimately decided against it. The good seats on stub hub were too rich for Porky's blood and Porky's nose bleeds dry in the cheap seats. That and Porky didn't feel like driving 2.5 hours to PVD solo without Butthole companionship. Unfortunately all of Porky's fellow alums in the area that Porky still keeps in touch with were pre-occupied with family affairs and couldn't go.
That's a long winded way of saying DON'T BLAME PORKY!
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Glad dis debacle ain't on you den, hey?
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Sad as it is, but it's true. You have a Senior class that disappears when you need them the most. You have a Coach that sits his best perimeter defender the entire 2nd half, waits to long to put the best shooter in CBB back in the game, and draws up plays late in the game for JuJaun Johnson to drive it?? Seriously, you have the best shooter in CBB, the damn ball should be in his hands. The choking is getting old and tiresome. When it's all on the line, they simply can't get it done. Why should they be rewarded with a tournament bid??
Wow.
The NCAA committee will determine if they are worthy or not. If they make it, they are worthy. Do they look like a tournament team? Yes. Each year there are teams that don't make it that would do fine. Each year there are teams that fans complain about that are not worthy. Syracuse was one last year, and they made the Final Four. VCU a few years past, that made the Final Four. Yes, a team that is .500 in the third best league in the nation looks like a tournament team, but that doesn't mean they make it.
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Take your "sunshine" someplace else a$$ clown. Tired of your BS. They don't deserve to be in the tourney..if you can't see that then you are a dumba$$. A team that chokes like they do..doesn't deserve it, if I'm the committee, they certainly don't pass the eye test to me. They lost in gut wrenching fashion and of course here's brew...over it in 2 seconds and keeps clinging to this false hope he has...everything is sunshine and balloons in your world isn't it?? Just because you can get over losses easier than anyone I have ever seen(probably never played a sport in your life, no competitive bone in your body), doesn't mean we all can. we are entitled to say whatever we want to say, some of us GIVE a crap about this team, understand??
Some of us are tired of your BS. You aren't the absolute decider on whether this team is good, bad, tournament worthy or not. Nor are you the only one that gives a crap. Understand?
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Some games I think we look like a tournament team (GTWN, HALL, @UGA). Some games I think we don't (PROV, @PROV, @HALL). Some games I think we look like a top 4 seed (VANDY, @CREI, NOVA). Some games I think we look like a team that would struggle in the CBI (@SJU, @GTWN). Sometimes we look like a top seed in one half and a low major in the other (PITT, @BUT).
My conclusion is that we must be a bubble team.
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I don't know. We could definitely lose 1 or both. But I think we match up well with X even wit Bluiett back.
Frankly I thought today was the most difficult game left. And we almost had it.
I'm frustrated as all hell but not willing to give up quite yet
Normally I'd agree. But it's the manner in which we lost yet again.
I know we did beat Creighton and Nova back to back.
But there is really nothing that suggests in two complete do or die games this team and coach will have it in them to piece it all together.
I do think we get 1 of them tho(most likely Creighton)
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But there is really nothing that suggests in two complete do or die games this team and coach will have it in them to piece it all together.
You don't think the Xavier and St. John's games prior to yesterday weren't do or die? ::)
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In light of the tragedy that has befallen one of Marquette's recruits, and therefore one of the members of the Marquette family, some of the pronouncements in this thread about life and death and what is important become uniquely unamusing.