Can Marquette be "The Next Villanova"?

[Farley36]

Maybe we should take the steps necessary to get there and try to be an Iowa or Houston first before we decide we’ll be the best program in college basketball for a decade.

That’s the point.  It’s so ludicrous to ask if we can be Villanova when we can’t even muster the consistency of teams like Iowa or Houston or Creighton.  We’re more likely to turn into a DePaul than a Villanova at this point.  We are obviously neither at the moment but anyone who thinks we’re closer to becoming Villanova than we are to becoming DePaul refuses to accept our current reality. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That’s the point.  It’s so ludicrous to ask if we can be Villanova when we can’t even muster the consistency of teams like Iowa or Houston or Creighton.  We’re more likely to turn into a DePaul than a Villanova at this point.  We are obviously neither at the moment but anyone who thinks we’re closer to becoming Villanova than we are to becoming DePaul refuses to accept our current reality. 

You can keep saying it, but you can keep being wrong.

I don't think you understand how completely awful a program DePaul is.

[Farley36]

You can keep saying it, but you can keep being wrong.

I don't think you understand how completely awful a program DePaul is.

I do.  You don’t seem to understand how much closer Marquette is to awful than to excellence.  You seem to believe 3 awful NCAA tourney appearances and nothing else in the past decade equates to MU being a good program.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I do.  You don’t seem to understand how much closer Marquette is to awful than to excellence.  You seem to believe 3 awful NCAA tourney appearances and nothing else in the past decade equates to MU being a good program.

I mean...it does.  Marquette is a "good program."  (They have been to an Elite 8 in the last decade BTW.) 

DePaul is a horrendous program.  May be the worst P6 program over the past decade. 

You are letting emotions cloud your judgement.

[Farley36]

Marquette is not a “good program” right now.   Technically the elite 8 was this decade but you and I both know that’s not representative of where the program is now or has been for many, many years.   I feel bad for you that you consider this “good.”   My expectations aren’t even that high.  I don’t ever expect them to be Villanova.  Just win a tourney game once in a while and be competitive.   They aren’t even good enough to do that.   I guess your definition of good is NCAA 30% of the time and consistent 1st round exits.   Awesome, enjoy your good program.

[Uncle Rico]

Marquette is not a “good program” right now.   Technically the elite 8 was this decade but you and I both know that’s not representative of where the program is now or has been for many, many years.   I feel bad for you that you consider this “good.”   My expectations aren’t even that high.  I don’t ever expect them to be Villanova.  Just win a tourney game once in a while and be competitive.   They aren’t even good enough to do that.   I guess your definition of good is NCAA 30% of the time and consistent 1st round exits.   Awesome, enjoy your good program.

Thanks, bro

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Marquette is not a “good program” right now.   Technically the elite 8 was this decade but you and I both know that’s not representative of where the program is now or has been for many, many years.   I feel bad for you that you consider this “good.”   My expectations aren’t even that high.  I don’t ever expect them to be Villanova.  Just win a tourney game once in a while and be competitive.   They aren’t even good enough to do that.   I guess your definition of good is NCAA 30% of the time and consistent 1st round exits.   Awesome, enjoy your good program.

Being in the NCAA tournament as one of the 36 at large teams, pretty much means you are "good."  Are they "very good" or "excellent?"  Nope.  Perhaps they will return there one day.  Miles ahead of DePaul though.

You don't have to feel bad for me.  I have approached this logically and objectively.  You have decided to let your emotions overcome your intelligence and are lashing out in every thread like a child at naptime. 

[Farley36]

Being in the NCAA tournament as one of the 36 at large teams, pretty much means you are "good."  Are they "very good" or "excellent?"  Nope.  Perhaps they will return there one day.  Miles ahead of DePaul though.

You don't have to feel bad for me.  I have approached this logically and objectively.  You have decided to let your emotions overcome your intelligence and are lashing out in every thread like a child at naptime.

It’s funny how the ones who always resort to insults are the logical, objective ones.  😂😂😂

[The Equalizer]

Being in the NCAA tournament as one of the 36 at large teams, pretty much means you are "good."  Are they "very good" or "excellent?"  Nope.  Perhaps they will return there one day.  Miles ahead of DePaul though.

You don't have to feel bad for me.  I have approached this logically and objectively.  You have decided to let your emotions overcome your intelligence and are lashing out in every thread like a child at naptime.

To be fair, we were five wins away from Villanova, and DePaul was five wins away from us in the standings.  While we're not closer to DePaul, we're not closer to Villanova either.

And DePaul is at least making an attempt at making the right moves and trending upward. I don't think we can rely on the ineptitude of Jean Lenti Ponsetto to stay ahead of DePaul anymore.

[MU82]

It’s funny how the ones who always resort to insults are the logical, objective ones.  😂😂😂

You're simply wrong about us being closer to DePaul, who hasn't even sniffed an NCAA tournament bid in years, but you'll never admit it because you're one of those guys who's never wrong.

And you've also said twice that I've seen (and perhaps more, because I haven't read every thread) that you no longer care about Marquette hoops so you're gone.

Bye!

[Farley36]

You're simply wrong about us being closer to DePaul, who hasn't even sniffed an NCAA tournament bid in years, but you'll never admit it because you're one of those guys who's never wrong.

And you've also said twice that I've seen (and perhaps more, because I haven't read every thread) that you no longer care about Marquette hoops so you're gone.

Bye!

In the last 10 years Villanova has been regular season conference champions 7 times and tournament champs 5 times.  In that time they have also been to the tourney 9 times.  They have made it to the second round 7 times.  They have made the S16 3 times.  They have won 2 national championships. 

Marquette is not closer to this level of excellence than they are to not making the tourney at all.  They have made the tourney only 3 times and have lost each time.  They’d need to only make it 3 less times a decade to be DePaul.  They’d need to make it 6 more times a decade and still wouldn’t be Villanova.

[MU82]

In the last 10 years Villanova has been regular season conference champions 7 times and tournament champs 5 times.  In that time they have also been to the tourney 9 times.  They have made it to the second round 7 times.  They have made the S16 3 times.  They have won 2 national championships. 

Marquette is not closer to this level of excellence than they are to not making the tourney at all.  They have made the tourney only 3 times and have lost each time.  They’d need to only make it 3 less times a decade to be DePaul.  They’d need to make it 6 more times a decade and still wouldn’t be Villanova.

Bye!

[Farley36]

Bye!

Clarissa and MU82- founding members of the “I don’t want it to be true so it’s not true regardless of facts” club.

[Farley36]

Bye!

Great argument except Villanova actually pulled it off.  Marquette hasn’t even taken a step in the right direction.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

In the last 10 years Villanova has been regular season conference champions 7 times and tournament champs 5 times.  In that time they have also been to the tourney 9 times.  They have made it to the second round 7 times.  They have made the S16 3 times.  They have won 2 national championships. 

Marquette is not closer to this level of excellence than they are to not making the tourney at all.  They have made the tourney only 3 times and have lost each time.  They’d need to only make it 3 less times a decade to be DePaul.  They’d need to make it 6 more times a decade and still wouldn’t be Villanova.

Marquette has made the tournament four times in the "last ten years."  It would have been five in 2020 but Covid.

During that time, DePaul made the CBI.  That's it.

Clarissa and MU82- founding members of the “I don’t want it to be true so it’s not true regardless of facts” club.

Says the guy who repeatedly states "last ten years" or "last decade" but ignores one of those years.

[MU82]

Clarissa and MU82- founding members of the “I don’t want it to be true so it’s not true regardless of facts” club.

Here's a fact for ex-fan Farley36:

Just 9 years ago, Villanova was coming off a 3-year stretch that included 2 first-round NCAAT losses, a 13-19 season, and Big East finishes of 9th place, 13th place and 7th place.

Meanwhile, Marquette was capping a run of 8 straight NCAAT appearances by going S16-S16-E8 and winning a Big East title.

Ipso fatso, by your "facts," Villanova had NO chance to be the next Marquette, let alone the next Villanova.

The stoopid Nova athletic department, stoopid Wright, the stoopid players and their stoopid fans shoulda just accepted mediocrity.

Bye!

[Farley36]

Marquette has made the tournament four times in the "last ten years."  It would have been five in 2020 but Covid.

During that time, DePaul made the CBI.  That's it.


Says the guy who repeatedly states "last ten years" or "last decade" but ignores one of those years.

Ok, Marquette only made the tourney 4 less times than Nova.  Made one elite 8 as opposed to two National championships.  Marquette has been treading down since while Nova maintains a consistent level of excellence.  You’re not helping your argument.

[Farley36]

Here's a fact for ex-fan Farley36:

Just 9 years ago, Villanova was coming off a 3-year stretch that included 2 first-round NCAAT losses, a 13-19 season, and Big East finishes of 9th place, 13th place and 7th place.

Meanwhile, Marquette was capping a run of 8 straight NCAAT appearances by going S16-S16-E8 and winning a Big East title.

Ipso fatso, by your "facts," Villanova had NO chance to be the next Marquette, let alone the next Villanova.

The stoopid Nova athletic department, stoopid Wright, the stoopid players and their stoopid fans shoulda just accepted mediocrity.

Bye!

This is helping your argument to say that MU used to be better than Nova but no longer is?   That’s we’re heading in the exact wrong direction is an indicator that we are closer to becoming Villanova than DePaul?  You think I’m the one accepting mediocrity and that’s your argument?  If you didn’t want to accept mediocrity you should be saying “you’re right, we are not in a state where our program compares to Villanova.  Things need to change.” 

Instead you’re here trying to argue that we’re a good program.  😂😂😂

[MU82]

This is helping your argument to say that MU used to be better than Nova but no longer is?   That’s we’re heading in the exact wrong direction is an indicator that we are closer to becoming Villanova than DePaul?  You think I’m the one accepting mediocrity and that’s your argument?  If you didn’t want to accept mediocrity you should be saying “you’re right, we are not in a state where our program compares to Villanova.  Things need to change.” 

Instead you’re here trying to argue that we’re a good program.  😂😂😂

I am not comparing our program to Villanova. I started this thread, and that's not what it was about.

I asked if we could be the next Villanova -- if we could do what Villanova did when they weren't yet what they have become. I like to think everybody attached to the program aspires for that.

The point is that a decade ago, Villanova wasn't the next Villanova. It didn't even look like they were the next Marquette. But their coach did a great job bringing in and developing the "right" talent, they started to make serious NCAAT runs, they won titles, and they became what "NOVA!" has become.

You and Sultan can have whatever argument you want about Nova/DePaul. I shouldn't have interjected myself into it because I think it's a stoopid argument.

I am hopeful that Shaka Smart will prove to be our Jay Wright and that, given our resources and facilities, we eventually can be regarded as one of the best programs in the country.

Do I know it will happen? Of course not -- and I never claimed I did. Obviously, the odds are against it happening. But yes, I'd rather believe that it can happen than think it is hopeless.

Unlike you, I'm not planning to stop pulling for our alma mater's basketball program.

Quitting on Marquette basketball because "we're doomed to be DePaul" is your prerogative ... so stop talking about it and do it already!

For somebody who has declared himself to no longer care, you seem to have a lot of problems letting go.

[Lennys Tap]

Marquette is a million miles away from Nova and a million miles away from DePaul. Who cares if one or the other is actually a million and one. Stupid argument.

[Viper]

Call me a clown all you want but it’s true.  You’re just salty because you know it’s true.  No way Marquette is anywhere close to Villanova.  Villanova would be insulted at the thought.  They are the pinnacle of what Marquette could hope to be and you are clownish for even thinking we’re close to them.  You’re living in fantasy land.

100%.

[Viper]

Being in the NCAA tournament as one of the 36 at large teams, pretty much means you are "good."  Are they "very good" or "excellent?"  Nope.  Perhaps they will return there one day.  Miles ahead of DePaul though.

You don't have to feel bad for me.  I have approached this logically and objectively.  You have decided to let your emotions overcome your intelligence and are lashing out in every thread like a child at naptime.

forget metrics, algorithms etc. Q. Did the eye test tell you MU deserved a ncaa bid?

[Uncle Rico]

forget metrics, algorithms etc. Q. Did the eye test tell you MU deserved a ncaa bid?

Yes

[Farley36]

Villanova will be playing on Sunday.  Where will Marquette be?

[Uncle Rico]

Villanova will be playing on Sunday.  Where will Marquette be?

Cool story, bro