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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on December 26, 2010, 11:36:33 PM
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Per ESPN's Paul Biancardi.
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulBiancardi/status/19259036008448000
"It is transfer time. Word from the midwest is that freshman PG Reggie Smith from(Thornton Township HS)Chicago,ILL--may be leaving Marquette."
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So is the whole sickness thing made up?
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So is the whole sickness thing made up?
Case of transfer-itis?
I do hope it's not true; don't think PT (or lack thereof) would be the issue, since he's getting starting run, and figures to have the inside track on Cadougan going into next year.
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Maybe buzz forgot to give him an ipad
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Case of transfer-itis?
I do hope it's not true; don't think PT (or lack thereof) would be the issue, since he's getting starting run, and figures to have the inside track on Cadougan going into next year.
Would really doubt the sickness thing is made up.
This one would surprise me, since Reggie is getting a lot of responsibility. But on the other hand, I bet 2/3 of freshmen have had the thought of transferring cross their mind. So who knows.
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Looks as though he deleted that Tweet. Very confusing...
I hope it's not true. I really love his explosion and has huge potential. If he's gotten the starting nod from Buzz this often I have to believe he is working really hard in practice.
Reggie please stay :(.
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The tweet wasn't deleted. I hope this doesn't materialize. We are thin enough at PG as it is. I'm skeptical though because Buzz has given him some minutes.
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http://twitter.com/paulbiancardi
I don't see it there, though I never use twitter so I maybe just be overlooking it. Can you, or anyone, point it out to me? I see it retweeted but not on his page.
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Even having Junior and Smith on the roster, Buzz received the commitment of Derrick Wilson for next year. Who knows.
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Adam Zagoria is now reporting this as well.
"#Marquette freshman G Reggie Smith is transferring, a source with knowledge said"
http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/statuses/19389045238923264
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http://www.thesportsbank.net/college-bball/reggie-smith-transferring-from-marquette/
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I don't understand this unless Reggie is aware that his playing time will eventually diminish (new recruit?); otherwise he is close to home and was chosen by a program that by all accounts took a gamble in offering him a scholarship. If he does leave I wish him the best but in the end I hope he stays.
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http://twitter.com/paulbiancardi
I don't see it there, though I never use twitter so I maybe just be overlooking it. Can you, or anyone, point it out to me? I see it retweeted but not on his page.
It's the most recent one, right at the top in big letters.
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Maybe his illness is worse than said, especially if its messing with his kidneys.
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From starting PG to this?
Must go with Buzz's philosopy of one (or More) PG with each class.
In Buzz we trust.
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Was that meant to be in teal?
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http://www.thesportsbank.net/college-bball/reggie-smith-transferring-from-marquette/
Oh Oh! This article is critical of Buzz's recruiting--refers to transfers: Roseboro, Maymon, Mbao, and now this possibility.
How dare this guy criticize Buzz. The nerve!
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If this happens to be true, I am beginning to tire of the revolving door.
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Not surprising. Probably more to the story. This time of year always be skeptical of the "illness" factor. Anyone have info on Cadougan?
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Not surprising. Probably more to the story. This time of year always be skeptical of the "illness" factor. Anyone have info on Cadougan?
I sure as hell do not want to see Cadougan go anywhere--but would not be surprised. But there has not been any indication of that, other than Buzz's man crush on Buycks
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Not surprising. Probably more to the story. This time of year always be skeptical of the "illness" factor. Anyone have info on Cadougan?
Exactly. There always is.
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It's too bad if this is true, Reggie seems like a great young man.
I have no problems, at all, with transfers. If someone doesn't fit, whether that's the choice of the individual or the university, I'd rather the parties move on instead of try and force it to work.
That being said, there *has* to be something crazy going on to justify a mid-season transfer.
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This is strange especially from a freshman that starts. I wonder if this has anything to do with that recruit we signed in the early signing period. I'm getting sick of these recruits coming and going every year.
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perhaps Vander will be getting more PG time and that is not sitting well with Reggie?
or Cadougan?
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Ok... so why is it a big deal if there are transfers? It's part of life at a major program. Especially if you're bringing in a lot of talent. Some guys use competition for PT as motivation, some are scared by it. They'll go where it's guaranteed.
Like I said, hope this isn't true. But if so, next guy in.
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Ok... so why is it a big deal if there are transfers? It's part of life at a major program. Especially if you're bringing in a lot of talent. Some guys use competition for PT as motivation, some are scared by it. They'll go where it's guaranteed.
Like I said, hope this isn't true. But if so, next guy in.
While I do agree with you, it's getting to be disappointing not having a steady roster and classes.
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The mid-season transfer makes sense, if he was unhappy and was sick enough that he was going to miss several games anyways. Why stay until end of season, if you are not healthy enough to play. Having said that, I liked Reggie and wish him the best. I also wonder if it makes sense to start a freshmen, if you do not plan to start him the whole season. A good way to make a young player unhappy is to take away his starting job.
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I don't like this. We need all the help we can get at the point, and Smith has game-changing speed. I understand the idea that starting him may be a mistake, or that he may not feel like he's fitting in, but bailing after 12 games just seems a bit silly to me. And I'm sick of having 1-2 transfers out every year. It's not like this guy isn't talented enough to get time, he's a top 150 recruit and has shown plenty of flashes. He obviously saw enough in Marquette eight months ago to believe it was a good fit for him, how much has changed? Personally, I think it's too early for either side to give up. I think it was a mistake for the Maymons, I think it's a mistake for Reggie.
Either way, I hope it works out for Reggie. He's seemed like the kind of guy we want around campus, and maybe that's why I am hoping he won't leave. But at some point, I want some of these guys to mature into fourth year seniors, and this revolving door won't give us that. If every 100-150 ranked guy that can't get time as a freshman ends up leaving, where does that put us 4 years later? I don't like it. We need to find ways to get seniors that have 4 years in the program if we want to make deep NCAA runs with any consistency.
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While I do agree with you, it's getting to be disappointing not having a steady roster and classes.
Understandable, but losing one/year doesn't do that much harm to the balance. Crean lost 10 to transfer in 9 years. But three times he lost more than one from a recruiting class, including the entire '04 and '07 freshmen classes. That's the killer.
Next year, if Reggie leaves, it stands at 2 freshmen, 4 sophs, 3 juniors, 2 seniors. Not terribly imbalanced. Room to add either two freshmen, or a frosh and a JUCO to even it up.
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I don't like this. We need all the help we can get at the point, and Smith has game-changing speed. I understand the idea that starting him may be a mistake, or that he may not feel like he's fitting in, but bailing after 12 games just seems a bit silly to me. And I'm sick of having 1-2 transfers out every year. It's not like this guy isn't talented enough to get time, he's a top 150 recruit and has shown plenty of flashes. He obviously saw enough in Marquette eight months ago to believe it was a good fit for him, how much has changed? Personally, I think it's too early for either side to give up. I think it was a mistake for the Maymons, I think it's a mistake for Reggie.
Either way, I hope it works out for Reggie. He's seemed like the kind of guy we want around campus, and maybe that's why I am hoping he won't leave. But at some point, I want some of these guys to mature into fourth year seniors, and this revolving door won't give us that. If every 100-150 ranked guy that can't get time as a freshman ends up leaving, where does that put us 4 years later? I don't like it. We need to find ways to get seniors that have 4 years in the program if we want to make deep NCAA runs with any consistency.
Agree.
And, if he does leave, warthog-driver is going to be PISSED!
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Confirmed by Rosiak. http://twitter.com/Todd_Rosiak/status/19411506802196482
Next guy in.
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I am waiting to pass judgment until I find out if it is a health issue.
EDIT: If it is a health issue I hope things aren't too serious and Reggie can make a full recovery. If it isn't a health issue, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Bailing on your teammates halfway through a season makes you quitter and less of a man. But like I said, I'm waiting for the story to come out.
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This one doesn't bother me much as far as loss of talent goes. I didn't see much true pg in his game, and that's tough to develop.
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Is he obligated to give back his IPad ?
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Understandable, but losing one/year doesn't do that much harm to the balance. Crean lost 10 to transfer in 9 years. But three times he lost more than one from a recruiting class, including the entire '04 and '07 freshmen classes. That's the killer.
Next year, if Reggie leaves, it stands at 2 freshmen, 4 sophs, 3 juniors, 2 seniors. Not terribly imbalanced. Room to add either two freshmen, or a frosh and a JUCO to even it up.
You're right. I'll retract that statement.
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Smith transferring from MU
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/112501304.html
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Smith didn't want to play PG.
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According to Rosiak it sounds like he was upset about playing time. You are a freshman. Goodbye.
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I don't get this, what is going on @ MU? We R losing people left and right, seems like every year? The kid's nowadays, UNREAL. The kid started how many games this year so far? I'm truly baffled by this situation. JUST PLAY BALL and get a grade A education!!! He'll probably end up at UIC. Good luck!!!
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According to Rosiak it sounds like he was upset about playing time. You are a freshman. Goodbye.
Agree. If that is the case then he is living in a dream world. Did he do something on the court that suggested he deserved any more playing time than he has recieved? No way. I dont understand his thoughts. Does he think he is K Irving?
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Smith transferring from MU
Reggie Smith, a 6-foot, 175-pound guard from Thornton Township (Ill.) High School, received his release from Marquette University this morning and will transfer.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/112501304.html
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Here we go again. Everybody defending "In Buzz we trust". No one challenging his wierd rotations/substitutions etc.. Pretty predictable.
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Not a big loss in the long-term scheme of things. This year if we get an injury then it becomes a big deal for sure. I think we really need to play only a two guard lineup now going forward. We are a bit thin at guard to play three guards in the game at one time.
On another level, I think this was justice for Marquette. I was not too happy how the Newbill situation transpired; it seems like we got our just desserts for this one. A little karma if you will. We paid the price (even if price wasn't too expensive) and now we can move on.
Will be interesting to see how Buzz uses the extra schollie. Any chance Singleton gets a deal?
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If you believe in karma, I have bag of magic beans to sell you.
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Blows my mind...
I posted many times that I thought Buzz cost his team points by starting Smith because of his turnovers, and Smith feels he's deserving of more time? I'll be interested to see where he ends up, as I don't see how any lagit D1 team can give him PT at his current level of play.
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If Rosiak had any guts, he'd write about the absolute mess that this season may turn into.
He talks about it in private, but is beyond soft in his coverage.
And I'm sorry if you guys don't like it, but this has been an unhappy group of players from early on this season.
I said a while ago that Buzz was worried that the team wasn't "gelling" and I stand by that and it's still the case.
IMO, the best plan would be to start Blue at PG (I know it's late for that) and give the lion's share of playing time at the Center spot to Gardner. I don't care if he defense is lacking or he doesn't bust his butt in practice. That's where the real talent is with this team. Blue, Gardner and Wilson are the guys you want to go to war with next season.
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Here we go again. Everybody defending "In Buzz we trust". No one challenging his wierd rotations/substitutions etc.. Pretty predictable.
This I had to think twice about cause I agree the sub patterns are erratic.. But should reggie really be complaining? I dont think so... If he questions the substuiting patterns as a whole, I guess. In terms of the time and starts that he has recieved he has no ground to stand on.
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Is he obligated to give back his IPad ?
yes.
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Not buying Buzz's "40% of Freshman are transferring".
Not buying his not to worry attitude.
In Buzz we trust.
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Smith did MU a favor. He's Horizon League talent at best. I don't get how anyone who can dribble and shoot the basketball is convinced they belong in the Association.
Credit Buzz with handling these situations swiftly and peacefully. Hey, if the fit isn't right, you must quit.
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Smith didn't want to play PG.
Maybe he can transfer to Tennessee and battle Maymon for the 2 guard spot.
Seriously, I have no issue if someone wants to transfer. It does seem to be getting more common at MU and I don't know if it is concerning or not. Perhaps it is the price to pay when you start recruiting higher rated recruits. They are treated like rockstars during the recruitment process, have AAU coaches (and parents and handlers) telling them they are the next one-and-done NBA lotto winner and then expect to march into a program and put up numbers and get all the playing time. Maybe it is something related to Buzz (rotations, playing time allocation, who knows) but I wonder what other schools transfer rates are like and if we are in the norm for college basketball. Buzz seems to connect with these kids pretty well. If playing time is the main issue, then I worry about Jones and EWill as well.
That is why I love guys like Mathews, McNeal, Hayward, etc. They stayed committed, worked their tails off and good things happened. I think Vander Blue will be an example of that maturation process. You did not see him whining for not starting at guard. You see a young man working really hard, soaking up the coaching, earning minutes and is getting better and better.
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There's one other guy who's VERY unhappy and might transfer after the season.
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Smith did MU a favor. He's Horizon League talent at best. I don't get how anyone who can dribble and shoot the basketball is convinced they belong in the Association.
Credit Buzz with handling these situations swiftly and peacefully. Hey, if the fit isn't right, you must quit.
+1. Use the scholarship to bring in better talent. You can be replaced Reggie.
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There's one other guy who's VERY unhappy and might transfer after the season.
He can get the hell out then also. If you want to play, earn it.
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And as predictable as can be, the Buzz defenders start urinating all over Smith.
Maybe Smith is wrong, but it is his choice, and you cannot dismiss his frustration. he starts and then plays less than 10 minutes, etc.
The mindless mind games that have been played are not appropriate.
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He started five games on a high level, Big East team. Not many freshman in the country can say that. He had his chance, didn't execute and it didn't work out. Whether it was a rotation issue on Buzz's part or not. I wish him the best of luck at a So. Illinois, Loyola or compatible school.
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There's one other guy who's VERY unhappy and might transfer after the season.
Stop being a douche and just say who it is so we can avoid all the conjecture. But I agree with TallTitan, if you don't like i here, there's no sense in staying around.
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Frozena?
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People move on eavery day in all walks of life. If a guy like Reggie wants to move on for a "better" opportunity so be it. No shame on him and no shame on MU/Buzz. Best of wishes to Reggie in his future endeavors. Time to move on.
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It sounds like he had some people in his ear influencing his decision like maymon. It's a shame because I think this kid could have been real good
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No $hit just say who you think it is... Is it Jones or EWill
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There's one other guy who's VERY unhappy and might transfer after the season.
Internet troll, that's all you are...
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No $hit just say who you think it is... Is it Jones or EWill
yes
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Is there a location where transfer data/rates are available that could put where we stand in perspective to other schools?
If players are unhappy, it seems that most everyone has had a chance to get in there and show what they could do (unless you want to complain about too-frequent substitutions, not getting into the rhythm of the game, etc.). My impression is that Buzz was pretty good at the "bonding" so if the group as a whole remains unhappy, I guess I don't jest get it. Maybe the bottom line is that what these kids get told by their posses doesn't jibe with what really happens at a mojor program.
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People move on eavery day in all walks of life. If a guy like Reggie wants to move on for a "better" opportunity so be it. No shame on him and no shame on MU/Buzz. Best of wishes to Reggie in his future endeavors. Time to move on.
Disagree. Shame on Reggie leaving his team in the middle of a season. If he wants a "better" opportunity wait until the end of the year to do so. Don't bail on the guys you go to battle with.
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Reggie Smith Leaving MU Men's Basketball Team
Marquette University men's basketball freshman Reggie Smith has decided to leave the program and has asked for his release, effective immediately, head coach Buzz Williams announced Monday morning.
http://onlyfans.cstv.com/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/122710aaa.html
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There's one other guy who's VERY unhappy and might transfer after the season.
I'm guessing your source is you seeing EWill and Jones' limited minutes.
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This is a big loss. Smith wasn't burning it up on offense but he was a tenacious defender and one of the quickest players in the country. He will sign with a high major program.
That being said, Marquette will survive and hopefully Buzz replace him with a player that wants to be here regardless of playing time.
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Disagree. Shame on Reggie leaving his team in the middle of a season. If he wants a "better" opportunity wait until the end of the year to do so. Don't bail on the guys you go to battle with.
You'd rather have him leave now. You don't want to have someone who is unhappy about playing time on your roster.
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Is there a location where transfer data/rates are available that could put where we stand in perspective to other schools?
If players are unhappy, it seems that most everyone has had a chance to get in there and show what they could do (unless you want to complain about too-frequent substitutions, not getting into the rhythm of the game, etc.). My impression is that Buzz was pretty good at the "bonding" so if the group as a whole remains unhappy, I guess I don't jest get it. Maybe the bottom line is that what these kids get told by their posses doesn't jibe with what really happens at a mojor program.
Look at it from Smith's point of view. He's playing a position that he doesn't think suits his game the best. In practice, nobody is distinguishing himself at PG. Somehow, Buzz starts Smith at PG in the biggest rivalry game of the year vs UW. This surprises everyone, including Smith. Then he gets yanked almost immediately. If Buzz wants to make Smith a PG, then he has to bite the bullet and let him learn and grow into the position.
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It sounds like he had some people in his ear influencing his decision like maymon. It's a shame because I think this kid could have been real good
I agree with 100% of your post. From all account Buzz loved Reggie. Said it many times in interviews, Revealed, etc. Think Reggie has a lot of tools to be a very good player at the high major level. Unfortunately, it just was going to take a little bit of time for Reggie to be able to be really "tight" in his game. Think just 1 year from now in our program, he would have developed his handle more, toughness..basically everything..and he has the athleticism you cannot teach.
If I were to speculate..things went south right around the time MU signed Derrick Wilson - think Reggie's attitude changed. He was quite happy at Madness..was getting starting PT, etc...
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I have to agree - why the hell did Buzz start Smith against UW - is he try to pacify the demands for playing time or truly putting the best team on the floor to win the game?
That move was a head scratcher at the time but now with more info revealed it may be more a case of Buzz play lineup games to appease everybody...
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Look at it from Smith's point of view. He's playing a position that he doesn't think suits his game the best.
Pray tell, what position best suits a 6' kid who can't shoot? Does he think he's making it to the league as a wing?
Nothing against the kid, but like some transfers before him (the names Mason and Maymon come to mind) he either has a vastly overinflated opinion of his abilities or is listening to the wrong people. And like those two guys, he may learn that the grass isn't always greener.
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I'll guarantee this will be another transfer we'll look back on in a few years and really wish didn't happen. I think Smith will eventually become a very good high-major player. You just cannot teach his speed/quicks/athleticism. He'll be a guy that will be able to break defenses down at will and lock down opposing 1/2's. It's too bad, but what can you do if the kid just doesn't want to be around. I had a feeling this would happen when Wilson was signed because how can you play 3 guys that you want to be "true" pg's and still keep them happy with their amount of minutes. Just can't happen. His loss won't hurt us much now unless someone gets injured, but I think it will really hurt us 2 years from now. I really liked this kid's potential a lot. Dammit.
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I agree with 100% of your post. From all account Buzz loved Reggie. Said it many times in interviews, Revealed, etc.
Honest question: have you ever heard Buzz say that he doesn't love one of his guys? In the Roziak article Buzz said that he loved both Reggie and Maymon and their families. Do you honestly believe that Buzz loved Tim Maymon? I don't. Is it possible that this is "coach speak?"
I like Buzz a lot and am very happy with him. But, he's a coach and I believe all coaches engage in "coach speak." That doesn't mean that I think he's a liar, but the fact that he says he "loved" Reggie means virtually nothing as far as I'm concerned.
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That is why I love guys like Mathews, McNeal, Hayward, etc. They stayed committed, worked their tails off and good things happened. I think Vander Blue will be an example of that maturation process. You did not see him whining for not starting at guard. You see a young man working really hard, soaking up the coaching, earning minutes and is getting better and better.
To be honest though - Matthews, McNeal were full time starters from Day 1 due to their being so little talent at MU when they arrived. And Lazar - he got some pretty good PT as a freshman too - I believe around 18-20 minutes per game.
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Not buying Buzz's "40% of Freshman are transferring".
Not buying his not to worry attitude.
In Buzz we trust.
Actually, that statistic is correct. I read it in an espn article recently, which stated that roughly 40% of college athletes transfer. I don't recall if it's within their first year or their collegiate career, but it is indeed a statistic.
That said, I also think it's total B.S. and shouldn't be that high of a number.
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Buzz is really going to earn his paycheck now....as this isn't exactly an ideal situation to be in going into a big matchup 2 days from now. Plus, the team has already lost it's first 3 marquee games of the non-conference season. And who knows if other players aren't upset or how they're handling Smith's departure. This is where not having a guy like Lazar Hayward around hurts because he just had that "it" factor when it came to real leadership. I'm not sure anyone has it on this team this year.
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Honest question: have you ever heard Buzz say that he doesn't love one of his guys? In the Roziak article Buzz said that he loved both Reggie and Maymon and their families. Do you honestly believe that Buzz loved Tim Maymon? I don't. Is it possible that this is "coach speak?"
I like Buzz a lot and am very happy with him. But, he's a coach and I believe all coaches engage in "coach speak." That doesn't mean that I think he's a liar, but the fact that he says he "loved" Reggie means virtually nothing as far as I'm concerned.
Definitely see your point..for sure..and Buzz does throw around the word love a lot..no doubt. However, in all of the footage I a saw whether it was Revealed, postgame interviews, pre-season interviews, media day, etc...when it pertained to Reggie..it really did not seem like coach speak..it was of the capital letter variety: LOVE. Just my perception of it..but certainly can agree with your point.
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I'm on the fence on this one. I hate it when Buzz pulls a player 2 minutes into a game. Let the players get into the flow of the game. He did that last year and eventually the substitution pattern became a lot better as the season went along. Then again we were running out of players so who knows.
On the other hand, Smith was getting 10 minutes a game. For a deep team at a big time program, that is some decent minutes for a freshmen who is not an impact player at this point in time. It really doesn't matter where his 10 minutes came from, 10 minutes is 10 minutes and to be able to start a game is a plus in my books.
My guess is that nomorebuycks might be right, it is another circumstance where the player feels he is not being utilized the way he wants to be utilized. If Smith thinks he is better served as a 2 guard then he should go somewhere else where he will be able to play the 2 guard. No ill will towards the young man. Leaving now, hurts the team in the short run but helps Buzz longer term as he now has more time to find another recruit and the extra 10 minutes a game goes to other players.
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If its Ewill who does he think he should play ahead of? Should he be getting minutes from butler, crowder?
As for Jones, he should play more...he's the only one who can shoot on the bench.
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I'll guarantee this will be another transfer we'll look back on in a few years and really wish didn't happen. I think Smith will eventually become a very good high-major player. You just cannot teach his speed/quicks/athleticism.
You may be right, but I don't think his athleticism alone means he'll be a special player. Heck, Carlton Christian arguably was the most athletic player of the Crean era (at least most athletic player not named Wade). What ever became of him?
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You may be right, but I don't think his athleticism alone means he'll be a special player. Heck, Carlton Christian arguably was the most athletic player of the Crean era (at least most athletic player not named Wade). What ever became of him?
well, except for D-James, obviously... I assume forgot to mention him?
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Here we go again. Everybody defending "In Buzz we trust". No one challenging his wierd rotations/substitutions etc.. Pretty predictable.
Agreed.
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I'll guarantee this will be another transfer we'll look back on in a few years and really wish didn't happen. I think Smith will eventually become a very good high-major player. You just cannot teach his speed/quicks/athleticism. He'll be a guy that will be able to break defenses down at will and lock down opposing 1/2's. It's too bad, but what can you do if the kid just doesn't want to be around. I had a feeling this would happen when Wilson was signed because how can you play 3 guys that you want to be "true" pg's and still keep them happy with their amount of minutes. Just can't happen. His loss won't hurt us much now unless someone gets injured, but I think it will really hurt us 2 years from now. I really liked this kid's potential a lot. Dammit.
Agree 100%. Reggie will be very successful in his NCAA career. He may choose to go to a high mid major such as UIC..where he can come in and play immediately...but he will have other high major schools after his services. Wish him the best. Really wish he would have stuck around MU - to me he was just 1 year away from being a very solid PG.
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Actually, that statistic is correct. I read it in an espn article recently, which stated that roughly 40% of college athletes transfer. I don't recall if it's within their first year or their collegiate career, but it is indeed a statistic.
That said, I also think it's total B.S. and shouldn't be that high of a number.
I'd love to scratch under the surface of that statistic...but don't know if the data is out there. It raises a lot of questions: is this a basketball-only number? What percent transfer in their first year (or second, third, etc.)? What percent transfer because of coaching changes? What percent transfer away from the coach that recruited/signed them? Lots of questions.
Also, Buzz said, "Forty percent of the freshmen across the country are transferring." The statistic you remember seeing is is that 40% of college athletes transfer. In the context of Rosiak's article, I interpreted Buzz's comment to mean that forty percent of mens basketball freshman transfer (and I found that hard to believe). Buzz's statement is ambiguous. I'll readily admit that I might have read too much into his statement and that he shouldn't be blamed for my interpretation, but even so, there is a big difference between "forty percent of freshman" and "forty percent of college athletes."
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There's one other guy who's VERY unhappy and might transfer after the season.
I've heard the same thing...amazing how they've been "battling illness".....it's like Gerald Posey and his "toothache" with Dukiet.
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It's amazing to read some of the comments here vs what the comments would have been say, oh, 3 to 8 years ago. Entertaining to say the least.
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really want to bring up the man who invented the term "Spring Creaning" by all of our adversaries?
there are plenty here who are concerned about the rate of transfers, recruits not seeing the first day of school and mid-season bolts seemingly overplaying time / how they are used
It's amazing to read some of the comments here vs what the comments would have been say, oh, 3 to 8 years ago. Entertaining to say the least.
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I'll guarantee this will be another transfer we'll look back on in a few years and really wish didn't happen. I think Smith will eventually become a very good high-major player.
And what high-major program is he going to get more playing time then he got here? He started 5 of his 8 games and averaged 10 minutes a game. What high-major program is going to give more than that?
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It's amazing to read some of the comments here vs what the comments would have been say, oh, 3 to 8 years ago. Entertaining to say the least.
I see where you're going... and I can't quite fully agree with you.
People were up in arms about transfers under Crean, just like some are w/Buzz. TC had a lot of them early on as well. Were there more people critical of TC? Yeah, that's fair to say. But on the flip side Buzz hasn't lost an entire class either.
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really want to bring up the man who invented the term "Spring Creaning" by all of our adversaries?
there are plenty here who are concerned about the rate of transfers, recruits not seeing the first day of school and mid-season bolts seemingly overplaying time / how they are used
I think you miss the point (of course our "adversaries" now call it buzz cutting so the tradition lives).....I'll just continue to chuckle at the double standards here that come up almost every week. Happy New Year
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But on the flip side Buzz hasn't lost an entire class either.
Twice.
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Is the other guy Cadougan? Cuz of Derrick coming in?
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It's amazing to read some of the comments here vs what the comments would have been say, oh, 3 to 8 years ago. Entertaining to say the least.
Chicos -I am disappointed that Reggie is transferring - in my view out of all the transfers thus far in Buzz's tenure - Reggie to me far and away has the most potential.
Now..I'm not trying to pick a fight with you - but...do you feel that part of the chagrin MU fans had during Crean's time at MU with regard to transfers was that in almost every case, the roster only had 3-5 high major players on it - and playing time wasn't really that hard to come by - or at least you didn't have 3 deep, high major depth at most positions?
Next year Reggie would be competing with Junior, Derrick Wilson, and maybe even Vander for PT..
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I think a lot of freshmen do not realize the amount of work involved in playing at a major program. UW is able to avoid a lot of transfers, because they are good at using a redshirt year for freshmen. You cannot be unhappy with playing time, if you are redshirting. Also once you redshirt you are locked into your school, because you will lose a year of eligibility. I think redshirting results in a lot of stability in Bo Ryan's program, which is a key component to his success.
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Don't forget Singleton's role, because we still don't know if will be taking a scholarship or not
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And what high-major program is he going to get more playing time then he got here? He started 5 of his 8 games and averaged 10 minutes a game. What high-major program is going to give more than that?
Also agree with your point. Sadly, with 1 more year of work in a program like MU or another high major program..Reggie probably will be ready to contribute more minutes/production.
I keep beating this dead horse...but...in my opinion...signing Derrick Wilson was the catalyst for things going south with Reggie. Next year he will have Junior, Derrick Wilson, (possibly Dave Singleton even), and maybe even Vander to compete with for PT at point. Though to mention Singleton sounds crazy...Wes Matthews did say that Dave Singleton impressed him most of all the newcomers during the MKE Pro-Am..FWIW..
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Can Singleton or Frozena recieve Smith's scholarship for the second semester of this year or is it a full year thing which is now just wasted.
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Are you missing my point - plenty here are concerned with Buzz's transfers (and I know you are not saying people were not concerned with the tanned one transfers).
I think you miss the point.....I'll just continue to chuckle at the double standards here that come up almost every week. Happy New Year
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Just from the article alone, I think it is a full year thing with the scholarship.
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Who wants to put money that Reggie ends up at some garbage C-USA school?
These kids forget that they are getting a legitimate education at MU.
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Here we go again. Everybody defending "In Buzz we trust". No one challenging his wierd rotations/substitutions etc.. Pretty predictable.
Certainly no more predictable than where you come down.
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I liked Reggie as a player and hate to see him go, but going to college is a difficult adjustment for any kid, especially when you have to work as hard as Buzz makes these kids work. Throw in the fact that he is pretty sick and just went home to his family and friends for 3 days, you have a perfect storm for wanting to transfer. I loved going to Marquette as much as anyone, but I had an application to another college on my desk during the first semester of my freshman year as well. Luckily for me, my old man told me that I made a commitment and I had to give it at least a year. By the time 2nd semester ended I had made some good friends, had some great times and even got laid a few times. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves that we're talking about teenage kids here.
The more disturbing issue here to me is the effect this trasfer has on Buzz' relationship with Mike Irvin and the Mc Irvin Fire AAU team. If you remember during Mike Shaw's recruiting, Mike Irvin was a great advocate for MU and Buzz mostly because he was impressed by how they dealt with Reggie. I hope that this doesn't poison the well, because we NEED to continue to recruit the Southside of Chicago.
Oh, and yes there were some real porkers in that group of unlucky coeds. ;D
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I think a lot of freshmen do not realize the amount of work involved in playing at a major program. UW is able to avoid a lot of transfers, because they are good at using a redshirt year for freshmen. You cannot be unhappy with playing time, if you are redshirting. Also once you redshirt you are locked into your school, because you will lose a year of eligibility. I think redshirting results in a lot of stability in Bo Ryan's program, which is a key component to his success.
They are a rock solid program in every facet. Pains me to say. I think they also do an exceptional job of telling it like it is upfront so there are no surprises. The athletes and their families get it from day one and they know what to expect the next 4 to 5 years. Stability. Next one in, do your job, etc. I hate their brand of basketball, but it works and there's a reason why they have been the best program in the state for over a decade, I don't care what measuring stick one uses...it's undeniable.
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Good riddance. He didn't deserve the playing time he was getting, little as that was. Perhaps a mid-major can help him out in that regard, unless he wants to work for a couple years to be ready to contribute at another competitive high major program. Cadougan should be able to ease into the starting role for next year, Wilson comes in next year, and unless he learned to take care of the ball I don't think Smith could legitimately beat out Singleton for minutes next year either. I'm not shedding a tear over this one, but I'd be disappointed if anyone else on our roster was thinking of leaving.
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Oh, and yes there were some real porkers in that group of unlucky coeds. ;D
LOL... classic.
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Chicos, I thought this thread was about Smith...Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Let's not have you go off dreaming about Bo and the boys coming to your christmas dinner
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They are a rock solid program in every facet. Pains me to say. I think they also do an exceptional job of telling it like it is upfront so there are no surprises. The athletes and their families get it from day one and they know what to expect the next 4 to 5 years. Stability. Next one in, do your job, etc. I hate their brand of basketball, but it works and there's a reason why they have been the best program in the state for over a decade, I don't care what measuring stick one uses...it's undeniable.
Hold on...gotta grab some popcorn...this should be good...
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I love the attention hungry people that have sources on this board yet aren't willing to divulge their top secret, confidential information....give me a frickin break...keep it to yourself.
If starting 5 games in his first semester as a freshman wasn't good enough for Smith or his stepdad, then good riddance. How about paying your dues and earning your time on the floor? Have fun playing in the MAC or for KO at USC.
If another player is unhappy because of a lack of PT, etc. maybe they should work harder and do what the coaches are asking them to do. This sense of entitlement BS is tiresome. There are 200 minutes available every game that 12 guys are competing for, earn it.
Time to focus on the players that we have that want to be here and look forward to pulling the upset in Nashville.
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Who wants to put money that Reggie ends up at some garbage C-USA school?
These kids forget that they are getting a legitimate education at MU.
Reggie will end up at one of two kinds of places:
1) Another high major where he'll learn that the song remains the same ala Jeronnie Maymon, or
2) A school that's willing to take losses and miss the tourney while Reggie starts and learns how to play division I point guard.
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What bugs me about the whole situation isn't the simple fact that Reggie transferred it was how it was handled, ON BOTH ENDS.
Why in the world does an 18 year old have his step father picking his fights for him. Why couldn't Reggie go to his coach (mentor) and ask him what he had to do to see more minutes. Christ, my 9th grade team does that. They are big enough to come in and hear what they need to work on.
During this "meeting" why doesn't Reggie say anything? Is it becuase he doesn't want to transfer? Is it because he is completely disgusted with Buzz? Why don't you say anything to someone who has given you every opportunity in the world to succeed both academically and athletically.
Now from the otherside.....
Buzz comes out in the media immediately and tells his side of a story (maybe not the story). Something that he didn't do after DJN transferred. I find it interesting that Reggie wanted to transfer and Buzz didn't try to stop him.
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Regardless of what Buzz publically said, he knew this was brewing for some time.
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Chicos, I thought this thread was about Smith...Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Let's not have you go off dreaming about Bo and the boys coming to your christmas dinner
Proving for the 1000th time here on this board, that it's all about WHO posted it and not WHAT was posted.
Only a few posts earlier, Bilsu, introduced Bo Ryan and Wisconsin into the discussion. And, as predicted and stated so often, that doesn't matter that someone else said it you'll just unload on someone else because of WHO the poster is, not what they said. Classic, like clockwork.
Here are a few crumbs for you to follow along....reply #94
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I bet grades has something to do with it. :-\
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I bet grades has something to do with it. :-\
He wouldn't have been granted an immediate release if they did.
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I bet grades has something to do with it. :-\
They would have waited until his grades were in order before letting him go.
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This just seems to be odd than. He was starting and got hurt in the Wisconsin game and than got sick.
What happened to the days of freshmen waiting there turn to play.
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some respond to competition, others have problems. Hopefully, this will lead to more PT for Junior and Blue.
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Regardless of what Buzz publically said, he knew this was brewing for some time.
Ding ding ding
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This just seems to be odd than. He was starting and got hurt in the Wisconsin game and than got sick.
What happened to the days of freshmen waiting there turn to play.
EXACTLY!!!! U hit it right on the $
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This is just sad to me, as it seems like another case of a talented young man having too many people (or one really influential person) in his ear, telling him that he's headed to the NBA and needs to be treated like that. I'm currently reading Play Their Hearts Out (referenced earlier on this board), and it's so so sad how adults (AAU coaches, parents) try to flat out use these kids because they think they might get rich from them. I hope that Smith's stepdad has noble intentions, but it definitely doesn't sound good.
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Maybe he didnt like playing for a coach who never has a set rotation and seemed to make substitutions using a roulette wheel.
I could see the Buzzisms wearing thin over the next two years and his wacky eccentric behavior veers to just plain unstable. Over and under on the next press conference he breaks into tears talking about 'Us" and how much he loves the kids? I wish he would stop with the exaggerations. He loves Smith's Family? Give me a break, how many times has he met the family and how much time. Stop throwing around the word love.
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I could see the Buzzisms wearing thin over the next two years and his wacky eccentric behavior veers to just plain unstable. Over and under on the next press conference he breaks into tears talking about 'Us" and how much he loves the kids? I wish he would stop with the exaggerations. He loves Smith's Family? Give me a break, how many times has he met the family and how much time. Stop throwing around the word love.
"When I was losing, they called me nuts. When I was winning, they called me eccentric." -- Al McGuire.
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Maybe he didnt like playing for a coach who never has a set rotation and seemed to make substitutions using a roulette wheel.
Thats a joke. There is a method to his substitutions. It deals with getting guys on the floor who will succeed on the next possession. Would would you rather have on Defense Otule or EWill? Put your 5 best on the floor who will succeed at that given time.
As pointed out on this board before we don't nearly sub as much as other teams do (Wisconsin Game)
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Maybe he didnt like playing for a coach who never has a set rotation and seemed to make substitutions using a roulette wheel.
I could see the Buzzisms wearing thin over the next two years and his wacky eccentric behavior veers to just plain unstable. Over and under on the next press conference he breaks into tears talking about 'Us" and how much he loves the kids? I wish he would stop with the exaggerations. He loves Smith's Family? Give me a break, how many times has he met the family and how much time. Stop throwing around the word love.
Do you ever deviate from being critical of Buzz Williams? As for a gambling analogy - think it is time for you to put your chips on the table, and share with us just what your issues are with Coach Buzz - who has taken the team to 2 NCAA's, taken last year's team projected as 12th in the Big East to a 6 seed in the NCAA tourney, and has signed more Top 100 players, JUCO All American's, in his first 3 years on the job at MU than any other coach in MU history, and his players have yet to have any off-court incidents?
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Definitely see your point..for sure..and Buzz does throw around the word love a lot..no doubt. However, in all of the footage I a saw whether it was Revealed, postgame interviews, pre-season interviews, media day, etc...when it pertained to Reggie..it really did not seem like coach speak..it was of the capital letter variety: LOVE. Just my perception of it..but certainly can agree with your point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j9f2wr7q1g
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According to Rosiak it sounds like he was upset about playing time. You are a freshman. Goodbye.
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Actually, it sounds like the stepdad was upset about playing time. From Rosiak, quoting Buzz: “Reggie didn’t say anything; it was just his stepdad. . . ."
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I've heard the same thing...amazing how they've been "battling illness".....it's like Gerald Posey and his "toothache" with Dukiet.
It's that famous Marquette flu!
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Maybe I missed something. Was Smith a MdAA? a top 25? top 50 top75 recruit? Was he the top recruit in Illinois or even the top point recruit in Ill? And ,of course, he had offers from all the big name programs, duke, Kansas, UNC, etc. and was going to start for them ?
As a Freshman he was the starting point on a Beast team and had every opportunity to show one n all what he could do?
What am I missing?
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Maybe I missed something. Was Smith a MdAA? a top 25? top 50 top75 recruit? Was he the top recruit in Illinois or even the top point recruit in Ill? And ,of course, he had offers from all the big name programs, duke, Kansas, UNC, etc. and was going to start for them ?
As a Freshman he was the starting point on a Beast team and had every opportunity to show one n all what he could do?
What am I missing?
Nothing. Smith was not 1st team all-state (maybe not even 2nd team). He was not on any top 100 list that I saw. He wasn't big enough to play the 2 and had not developed the skills required to play the 1. He had athleticism and potential, and for that reason was getting some playing time (more than his performance indicated he had earned). No matter what he or his stepdad thinks he was not Big East ready. Too bad about their impatience and inability to deal with reality. Goodbye and good luck.
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2 years in a row we lose guys at the semester who HAVE been getting pt. BE A MAN AND FINISH THE YEAR!!! I can't believe these guys are getting supportive advice to just quit on their team during the season like that....
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I think Buzz has been concerned for some time that he may not have the long term answer to PG (the most critical position) on the current roster. Hence the recruiting on one in next year's class when we already have 2 + a walk on redshirt. It may be that Reggie figured out he might not be the guy or at least he don't want to put in all the time to later find out he wasn't the guy. We've been very spoiled by Deiner and Dominic being ready to play day one.
I wish these guys would at least give it a whole year before opting out. That is the most concerning thing to me.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j9f2wr7q1g
He accepted the challange but failed. He himself said he wanted to work hard for his minutes instead of getting to start right away like all other coaches were telling him. I guess in the end he couldnt man up. Now he will be able to start without having to work for it I guess.
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He accepted the challange but failed. He himself said he wanted to work hard for his minutes instead of getting to start right away like all other coaches were telling him. I guess in the end he couldnt man up. Now he will be able to start without having to work for it I guess.
Here's a guarantee: Reggie would have gotten more playing time between now and next December at MU than he will get where he ends up. I just don't understand when a freshman sits out a year because he's not getting enough playing time.
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I think Buzz has been concerned for some time that he may not have the long term answer to PG (the most critical position) on the current roster. Hence the recruiting on one in next year's class when we already have 2 + a walk on redshirt. It may be that Reggie figured out he might not be the guy or at least he don't want to put in all the time to later find out he wasn't the guy. We've been very spoiled by Deiner and Dominic being ready to play day one.
I wish these guys would at least give it a whole year before opting out. That is the most concerning thing to me.
Yes, mid-year transfers don't make a lot of sense. Essentially guys give up a half-season of PT/development.
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Nothing. Smith was not 1st team all-state (maybe not even 2nd team). He was not on any top 100 list that I saw. He wasn't big enough to play the 2 and had not developed the skills required to play the 1. He had athleticism and potential, and for that reason was getting some playing time (more than his performance indicated he had earned). No matter what he or his stepdad thinks he was not Big East ready. Too bad about their impatience and inability to deal with reality. Goodbye and good luck.
For the most part I agree with you. But there must have been something behind the scenes that led him to believe he should be playing more. Perhaps he was outplaying Buycks and/or JC in practice...leading to him starting, but not getting starters minutes? I usually suspect freshmen misinterpret things, but something is odd about this one. He starts against Wisconsin, takes a nice charge and 30 seconds later was out of the game. Meanwhile, it appears to me that Buzz desperately wants Cadougan to play major minutes, but he's not starting. It honestly smells to me like maybe Smith was outperforming somebody in practice, but Buzz didn't want to play him.
Incidentally, for those comparing these transfers to Crean. Get a grip. Crean lost two guys (Blankson and Mason) who were not only starting, but getting a huge amount of minutes. There was also Amoroso, Bradley and a host of others. He also lost almost his entire staff every single year.
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DJ Newbill, come on down. Your BE dream is still alive!
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I was also thinking, in retrospect, Buzz jettisoned the wrong dude to make room for Jamil.
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Like most Marquette fans, it isn't fun to read bad news. A young, promising freshman transferring is bad news. After mulling over this news all day, the thought that comes to mind is that transferring "comes with the territory." That is, when you recruit high level athletes that were the stars of their high school teams and they land at Marquette where they are no longer the star, but have to work their butts off for playing time, it's a rude awakening. And, what's worse is to find out that maybe you are not as good as you thought; and, the other athletes may be even better. Kids will transfer to play where they have a better chance to be the star of the team.
Buzz's aggressive recruiting strategy to load up the team with top talent and let them compete for playing time should pay off with a highly talented competitive team. But, there will be transfers along the way. The best will stay and win at MU.
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He also lost almost his entire staff every single year.
Do us all a favor and update the wiki, because it's all wrong.
Here's what the wiki says:
99-00 (Buckley, Stephens, Horn)
00-01 (Stephens, Horn, Kowalczyk)
01-02 n/a
02-03 (Strohm, Horn, Stephens, Holsopple)
03-04 n/a
04-05 (Strohm, Ellis, Rabadeaux, Wardle)
05-06 (Rabadeaux, Panaggio, Prioleau, Holsopple)
06-07 (Rabadeaux, Sichting, Seltzer)
07-08 (Buckley, Seltzer, Buzz, Rabadeaux, Barone)
Like all wiki information, I can't vouch for this.
P.S. - Buckley and Seltzer are still with him.
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Do us all a favor and update the wiki, because it's all wrong.
Here's what the wiki says:
04-05 (Strohm, Ellis, Rabadeaux, Wardle)
05-06 (Rabadeaux, Panaggio, Prioleau, Holsopple)
06-07 (Rabadeaux, Sichting, Seltzer)
07-08 (Buckley, Seltzer, Buzz, Rabadeaux, Barone)
Are you arguing with me or trying to support my argument? Rabedeaux HAD to stay...he had no other options. His past was practically sordid and Crean was the only one willing to hire him. Once that option died off he had to move to freaking CHINA to get a job! So yes...he did manage to keep him around. What we're left is a 4 season revolving door of Strohm, Ellis, Wardle, Panaggio, Prioleau, Holsopple, Sichting, and Barone. I'll give you Seltzer...there obviously must be something wrong with him. Great consistency in recruiting, I'm sure.
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To be honest though - Matthews, McNeal were full time starters from Day 1 due to their being so little talent at MU when they arrived. And Lazar - he got some pretty good PT as a freshman too - I believe around 18-20 minutes per game.
That's a good point. Perhaps, some of these nuances do "just come with the territory" when you have success recruiting. Perhaps Buzz just overrecruits the guard position...for whatever reason. That will cause playing time issues. If Newbill would still be here the jam at the position would have even been worse.
Best of luck to Reggie Smith for future success. It is too bad the decision comes so quickly. I do think back to Maymon, for a minute.....man, he would be logging major major minutes this year and I think contributing a ton....also would probably be enjoying playing with his pal, Blue. Too bad....decisions like this can be made quickly but their impact can last a long time (for the players...and sometimes for the team).
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Are you arguing with me or trying to support my argument? Rabedeaux HAD to stay...he had no other options. His past was practically sordid and Crean was the only one willing to hire him. Once that option died off he had to move to freaking CHINA to get a job! So yes...he did manage to keep him around. What we're left is a 4 season revolving door of Strohm, Ellis, Wardle, Panaggio, Prioleau, Holsopple, Sichting, and Barone. I'll give you Seltzer...there obviously must be something wrong with him. Great consistency in recruiting, I'm sure.
You said, "he lost almost his entire staff every single year." Simply not true. Why didn't you put 99-03/04 in there (more than half his tenure)? Or are they not included in "almost every single year." If you meant "almost every single year after 2003-04" you should have said that.
And, isn't it possible that the turnover in those years might have had at least something to do with the fact that Crean was considered a very hot coach in a hot program, placing his assistants in demand?
Look, I know you hate the guy. And I'll admit that you have plenty of reason to hate him. You're free to hate him if you want -- you don't have to exaggerate his record to justify your feelings.
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I was also thinking, in retrospect, Buzz jettisoned the wrong dude to make room for Jamil.
Newbill was easier to jettison since he had not officially been accepted as a student.
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Buzz comes out in the media immediately and tells his side of a story (maybe not the story). Something that he didn't do after DJN transferred. I find it interesting that Reggie wanted to transfer and Buzz didn't try to stop him.
He had to. He had to get out in front of bad news.
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You said, "he lost almost his entire staff every single year." Simply not true. Why didn't you put 99-03/04 in there (more than half his tenure)? Or are they not included in "almost every single year." If you meant "almost every single year after 2003-04" you should have said that.
And, isn't it possible that the turnover in those years might have had at least something to do with the fact that Crean was considered a very hot coach in a hot program, placing his assistants in demand?
Look, I know you hate the guy. And I'll admit that you have plenty of reason to hate him. You're free to hate him if you want -- you don't have to exaggerate his record to justify your feelings.
I exaggerated. He lost his entire staff for four straight years.
And no, it's not possible that all those assistants left because he was a hot coach. If you believe that, you're an idiot.
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Those years he lost coaches, how many took head coaching positions or were promoted at other institutions?
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I exaggerated. He lost his entire staff for four straight years.
And no, it's not possible that all those assistants left because he was a hot coach. If you believe that, you're an idiot.
You're getting closer to telling the truth without exaggerating, but I know this is difficult for you. Your statement still isn't true. Seltzer and Rabadeaux stuck around. I also wonder about Holsopple (don't remember him, but he shows up in 02-03 and again in 05-06; not sure if he left and came back or stayed).
And I never suggested that "all those assistants left because he was a hot coach." I asked if it was possible that the turnover "might have had at least something to do with" him being a hot coach in a hot program. You avoided that question and mischaracterized my point. I would say that you insulted me, but I don't believe that "all those assistants left because he was a hot coach." I do believe, however, that it was a factor.
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He had to. He had to get out in front of bad news.
Then why didn't he do that when Newbill was "released".
Was it because he actually was never apart of the team and couldn't comment on it? That would seem like an obvious answer.
It seems like everything played out today after Buzz issued a statement, versus, when Newbill was released we had 100's of posts speculating why he left and how it was handled.
Buzz isn't trying to save face here like he was this summer. This is simply a case of a player not working out, not fitting in, not seeing himself the way the coaches want him to play.
So be it. Junior, Dwight, Vander and DJO are our guards. Like it or leave it. I personally think we'll be fine. Jimmy can play the 3 as well. we have 4.5 guys for the 3 guard spots come Big East play. (if Jamil develops, you can add him to the mix). Jae, Jimmy, Gardner and Otule (Joe) for the other two spots. E will is the wild card.
Can't wait for the 29th to put this aside.
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Those years he lost coaches, how many took head coaching positions or were promoted at other institutions?
I don't know....how many left because he's an a55hole?
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I don't know....how many left because he's an a55hole?
Definitely some. Others left because of better opportunities and a promotion. What strikes me as odd is that some have left and come back to work with him....or maybe it's not odd. ;D
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Like most Marquette fans, it isn't fun to read bad news. A young, promising freshman transferring is bad news. After mulling over this news all day, the thought that comes to mind is that transferring "comes with the territory." That is, when you recruit high level athletes that were the stars of their high school teams and they land at Marquette where they are no longer the star, but have to work their butts off for playing time, it's a rude awakening. And, what's worse is to find out that maybe you are not as good as you thought; and, the other athletes may be even better. Kids will transfer to play where they have a better chance to be the star of the team.
Buzz's aggressive recruiting strategy to load up the team with top talent and let them compete for playing time should pay off with a highly talented competitive team. But, there will be transfers along the way. The best will stay and win at MU.
yeah--here we go again. Making all kinds of excuses. When are some of you going to start thinking about the way Buzz is handling some of these situations. Wierd starting line ups and wierd rotations.
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A freshman averaging less than 10 minutes a game left because someone, him, his step-father, an old coach, somebody, felt he wasn't getting enough playing time. The same kid who said that the thing he liked about Buzz was that he was the one coach who DIDN'T promise playing time. If you isolate this one incident, your reaction probably would be something along the lines of "oh, well, young kid, went home, and realized his heart wasn't in returning to the school." Hell, I almost didn't go back to MU after Christmas break my freshman year. Adjustments, homesickness, wrong schools happen.
The problem is context. Because of years of arguing the merits of Crean V Buzz, years of criticizing everything about Buzz, years of letting buckyboard a-holes taunt us because no one ever leaves their school (or graduates, it seems), year after year of somebody leaving the program (BTW, when is the last season we had where no one left), years of not quite reaching expectations, some have become a bit sensitive. Meltdown mode is in full force not because our 5th guard decided he didn't want to be here, but because it plays into our worst fears and insecurities. OMG, maybe Buzz cheats, maybe badgerfans are right and we are nothing but a backwater, maybe we have the wrong coach, maybe Crean was better, blahbityblahbity ad infinitum.
Sack up. He left. Good luck, young man. May you find whatever it is that is the right fit for you. Transfers happen. Some in, some out. Our season continues.
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+1 to tower912
He is just 6 months removed from HS. Being a High Major player at a school like MU is very intense, and some although they think they know what it will be like have no idea.
I thought Reggie was a good kid liked his energy and speed. But, believe me, they are more Reggie Smiths out there, he is not a make or break player this year for this team. Good Luck Reggie
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Maybe Buzz played Reggie more than he should have, because he was trying to make him happy. I think it is a mistake to start a freshmen, before he is ready. They do not handle it well when they lose the starting spot.
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I wish Reggie the best. There's any number of kids that left MU over Christmas and have made the decision not to return. Why should it be different just because a kid plays basketball? Whether it be playing time, his relationship with Buzz, or the fact that it is cold in Milwaukee, I'll give Reggie the benefit of the doubt. Good luck going forward. For the rest of the team . . . GTST. And beat Vandy!
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A freshman averaging less than 10 minutes a game left because someone, him, his step-father, an old coach, somebody, felt he wasn't getting enough playing time. The same kid who said that the thing he liked about Buzz was that he was the one coach who DIDN'T promise playing time. If you isolate this one incident, your reaction probably would be something along the lines of "oh, well, young kid, went home, and realized his heart wasn't in returning to the school." Hell, I almost didn't go back to MU after Christmas break my freshman year. Adjustments, homesickness, wrong schools happen.
The problem is context. Because of years of arguing the merits of Crean V Buzz, years of criticizing everything about Buzz, years of letting buckyboard a-holes taunt us because no one ever leaves their school (or graduates, it seems), year after year of somebody leaving the program (BTW, when is the last season we had where no one left), years of not quite reaching expectations, some have become a bit sensitive. Meltdown mode is in full force not because our 5th guard decided he didn't want to be here, but because it plays into our worst fears and insecurities. OMG, maybe Buzz cheats, maybe badgerfans are right and we are nothing but a backwater, maybe we have the wrong coach, maybe Crean was better, blahbityblahbity ad infinitum.
Sack up. He left. Good luck, young man. May you find whatever it is that is the right fit for you. Transfers happen. Some in, some out. Our season continues.
Couldn't have said it better myself. We're a good program, with a young, talented team, that hasn't figured itself out yet. 12 D-1 (3 legit, 9 fluff) games aren't going to turn all these new players into veterans. And 1 Freshman transferring isn't going to bring the program down that much. He wasn't even close to the best freshman we had. Let the situation play itself out. Vander and Davante are much more important to this team than Reggie was and they are still in the system. It may be a tough season but I think we're still going to have a lot to cheer about.
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I wish Reggie the best in his future endeavors and hope this team responds like last year's team did when Maymon transferred and finish with double digit wins in BEast play and an NCAA tourney bid.
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Let's face it, BMA called it a year ago. Reggie was struggling at PG, with the lowest ORtg on the team and a turnover % of 47%--low eFg% and not a great FT shooter after a handful of games. Typical freshman #'s. He was recruited for his athletic ability which is considerable--to be the change of pace energy guy to Junior--with the hopes he could develop into a baller. He is a in-your-face type of guy with a street fighter mentality--you can see it in the Revealed videos--someone to take on a Kemba Walker defensively. You can also see him challenging Jimmy or Benford at the CBE practice (where his minutes weren't there). He is Artie Green.
His family and circle apparently saw this PG experiment wasn't working, that he is a 2 guard like in high school. He is sick, his grades cleared so time to move on for all parties. Frankly, a UIC would be a great place for him.
For Buzz, Chicago/Midwest and its AAU scene, remains a puzzle for him and his staff. We are now dark in Chicago (and I am also counting Gary and Dawson) here for the first time in 40 years. Everyone was worried about his recruits from the South (and now West) in snowy Wisconsin--but these are the guys who are sticking. I guess the lesson learned also is to never let these Midwest guys go home for break once we land them (Mbwake, Maymon, Smith). Then there is the North East where he has also stumbled as well on the recruiting trail. For a newer, fairly unproven coach, he really needs a great BE season to breakthrough and earn back some street cred in the conference's Motherland.
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Maybe Buzz played Reggie more than he should have, because he was trying to make him happy. I think it is a mistake to start a freshmen, before he is ready. They do not handle it well when they lose the starting spot.
Buzz's disappointment in Junior's progress led him to desperation and playing Smith when he just wasn't ready. Buzz had Junior penciled in as the starting PG since last year and his failure to improve at the rate Buzz expected really threw a monkey wrench into the plans. At first he thought it was just a lack of effort and put him in the doghouse, but then realized that this is the player Junior is and he just has to work with it.
It makes it very tough on a coach when he isn't thrilled with any of the options at PG. And I know that it's the coaches responsibility to not misfire in recruiting, but the situation is what it is.
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For Buzz, Chicago/Midwest and its AAU scene, remains a puzzle for him and his staff. We are now dark in Chicago (and I am also counting Gary and Dawson) here for the first time in 40 years. Everyone was worried about his recruits from the South (and now West) in snowy Wisconsin--but these are the guys who are sticking. I guess the lesson learned also is to never let these Midwest guys go home for break once we land them (Mbwake, Maymon, Smith). Then there is the North East where he has also stumbled as well on the recruiting trail. For a newer, fairly unproven coach, he really needs a great BE season to breakthrough and earn back some street cred in the conference's Motherland.
That's a bit nerve racking...especially long term if Buzz isn't around. Texas kids aren't going to keep on coming to MU when Buzz is gone (my assumption is that Buzz doesn't coach here 50 years). Our base is Illinois, Wisconsin, etc and we need to keep those areas fruitful.
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It's that famous Marquette flu!
MU Flu!
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Let's face it, BMA called it a year ago. Reggie was struggling at PG, with the lowest ORtg on the team and a turnover % of 47%--low eFg% and not a great FT shooter after a handful of games. Typical freshman #'s. He was recruited for his athletic ability which is considerable--to be the change of pace energy guy to Junior--with the hopes he could develop into a baller. He is a in-your-face type of guy with a street fighter mentality--you can see it in the Revealed videos--someone to take on a Kemba Walker defensively. You can also see him challenging Jimmy or Benford at the CBE practice (where his minutes weren't there). He is Artie Green.
His family and circle apparently saw this PG experiment wasn't working, that he is a 2 guard like in high school. He is sick, his grades cleared so time to move on for all parties. Frankly, a UIC would be a great place for him.
I expected Smith to be raw coming in to this year, but he was more than raw.
For a guy who can't shoot, doesn't handle the ball well for someone only 6' tall, and is turnover prone, either Smith and/or his family are delusional to think he deserves more playing time at this point in his college career.
This is the Big East, not the Horizon League, just being a great athlete isn't enough to justify a lot of minutes for an 18 year old freshman. I hope for his sake that Reggie largely made this decision by himself and not his stepdad or other family members convincing him that Buzz not playing the kid 30 minutes per game as a freshman is killing his chances to be in the NBA by the end of his sophomore year.