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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 19, 2023, 08:01:44 PM
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1. TKo has thumb surgery
2. I am not looking for help from the portal. The question is who leaves.
3. Development. (all contingent on the following players staying, none of which is guaranteed)
(A) Oso develops a foul line jumper
(B) Omax works on his balance and his jumper. Also finishing straight line drives through contact
(C) Tyler has a few weeks to work on his right hand
(D) Stevie's jumper
(E) Ben lives in the weight room. With his buddy Chase.
4. Get the freshmen on campus.
5. Keep as much of the band together as possible.
6. The coaches did a deep dive into why last year's team faded down the stretch and lost so badly to UNC. This year's deep dive will be to figure out how MSU's defense was so effective.
7. Get Shaka some more colorful polos. Once they have them, make them available to the general public.
There are far fewer unknowns than there were a year ago. The coaches can point to 29-7 as proof of concept that development and team chemistry work. IMO, the challenge will be to continue the transition into grown-ass men bodies as well as integrating Emarion and the freshman into the culture.
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For the love of god get someone who can rebound.
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Need to recruit the core guys back and find soft landings for Ellis and Itejere. Creates room for one transfer that needs to be a big
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For the love of god get someone who can rebound.
Agree tired of being this small team who can’t rebound. Get one bruiser
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1. TKo has thumb surgery
2. I am not looking for help from the portal. The question is who leaves.
3. Development. (all contingent on the following players staying, none of which is guaranteed)
(A) Oso develops a foul line jumper
(B) Omax works on his balance and his jumper. Also finishing straight line drives through contact
(C) Tyler has a few weeks to work on his right hand
(D) Stevie's jumper
(E) Ben lives in the weight room. With his buddy Chase.
4. Get the freshmen on campus.
5. Keep as much of the band together as possible.
6. The coaches did a deep dive into why last year's team faded down the stretch and lost so badly to UNC. This year's deep dive will be to figure out how MSU's defense was so effective.
7. Get Shaka some more colorful polos. Once they have them, make them available to the general public.
There are far fewer unknowns than there were a year ago. The coaches can point to 29-7 as proof of concept that development and team chemistry work. IMO, the challenge will be to continue the transition into grown-ass men bodies as well as integrating Emarion and the freshman into the culture.
#1 on this list has to be addressing the rebounding issue. Has been a major problem for this team for two years. Whether it be conceptually, physically or mentally, we won't go far in March until it is solved.
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You keep praising MSU’s defensive effort, they were fine defensively. Majority of MU turnovers were completely unforced.
I’d figure out a rotation that can slow down dribble drives by the opponent in crunch time. MU’s season ended because of that more than anything else.
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You keep praising MSU’s defensive effort, they were fine defensively. Majority of MU turnovers were completely unforced.
I’d figure out a rotation that can slow down dribble drives by the opponent in crunch time. MU’s season ended because of that more than anything else.
This.
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Need to recruit the core guys back and find soft landings for Ellis and Itejere. Creates room for one transfer that needs to be a big
I don’t think Ellis leaves. Itejere… I assume he’ll be gone.
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We are going to continue to disagree, dish. Which is fine. We saw it differently. I acknowledge that MU was sloppy and careless. But I also think MSU directly and indirectly contributed to it. And you're not going to change my mind.
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Curious to see next season's 13 scholarship.roster.
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-Revisit topic in a month or so.
-Too early, the staff needs to sit down with each player and determine what their thoughts are, want to stay or if they are told they are not staying. Every year there has been a surprise.
-Many posters said all year Omax is leaving for draft and will probably be on NBA roster. I do not see that happening and I really do not want him to leave. He improved tremendously over last year and needs to work on a few things before a professional career somewhere.
-General terms, a backup to Oso. The incoming two guards can fight it out with whoever returns for backup roles.
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Joplin has to figure out what he can do on drives, has no moves, needs to get quicker, more under control. Has zero hops.
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We are going to continue to disagree, dish. Which is fine. We saw it differently. I acknowledge that MU was sloppy and careless. But I also think MSU directly and indirectly contributed to it. And you're not going to change my mind.
That’s fair.
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We are going to continue to disagree, dish. Which is fine. We saw it differently. I acknowledge that MU was sloppy and careless. But I also think MSU directly and indirectly contributed to it. And you're not going to change my mind.
I agree. They’re more athletic than us 1-3 and it showed. They could slow us down without helping.
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1. TKo has thumb surgery
2. I am not looking for help from the portal. The question is who leaves.
3. Development. (all contingent on the following players staying, none of which is guaranteed)
(A) Oso develops a foul line jumper
(B) Omax works on his balance and his jumper. Also finishing straight line drives through contact
(C) Tyler has a few weeks to work on his right hand
(D) Stevie's jumper
(E) Ben lives in the weight room. With his buddy Chase.
4. Get the freshmen on campus.
5. Keep as much of the band together as possible.
6. The coaches did a deep dive into why last year's team faded down the stretch and lost so badly to UNC. This year's deep dive will be to figure out how MSU's defense was so effective.
7. Get Shaka some more colorful polos. Once they have them, make them available to the general public.
There are far fewer unknowns than there were a year ago. The coaches can point to 29-7 as proof of concept that development and team chemistry work. IMO, the challenge will be to continue the transition into grown-ass men bodies as well as integrating Emarion and the freshman into the culture.
1. Possibility……no mention anywhere of that…seems like a quick reaction excuse for poor play.
2. Your boy.
3A. You know more than most Tower, this offense doesn’t need an Oso jumper from 15’.
Hell, this offense doesn’t utilize a Kam or Jop foul line jumper. Now if you said, Oso could develop a trailer three….then myself and the MU coaches wiuld agree with you.
3C. A few weeks?…..after surgery.
The rest I agree with and said so after the loss.
Biggest concern for me is keeping the staff and players together for next year.
Kam is the top of that list……
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I don't have much to add right now except that I am very optimistic for next year and appreciate all that this team gave us, right to the end. Can't wait to see how things shake out!
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We need to rebound better and get some of the guys to develop mid range jumpers.
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Pump the brakes on the thumb surgery. Unless you have info the rest of us don't
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1. Possibility……no mention anywhere of that…seems like a quick reaction excuse for poor play.
2. Your boy.
3A. You know more than most Tower, this offense doesn’t need an Oso jumper from 15’.
Hell, this offense doesn’t utilize a Kam or Jop foul line jumper. Now if you said, Oso could develop a trailer three….then myself and the MU coaches wiuld agree with you.
3C. A few weeks?…..after surgery.
The rest I agree with and said so after the loss.
Biggest concern for me is keeping the staff and players together for next year.
Kam is the top of that list……
I have a boy? Oh, you mean Keeyan. Perhaps. I have a number of other players in mind, too, for various reasons, like playing time, NIL and foreign-born players, and the quality of the incoming freshmen. We'll see.
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I think one person that could possibly transfer that hasn’t really been discussed is Joplin.
He can probably be a starter on a lot of teams, but if everyone stays, will more than likely be coming off the bench again next season.
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I think one person that could possibly transfer that hasn’t really been discussed is Joplin.
He can probably be a starter on a lot of teams, but if everyone stays, will more than likely be coming off the bench again next season.
He followed Shaka from Texas and is tight with Cam.
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Both are true.
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You guys are all so quick to send everyone packing lol.
We value relationships.
https://twitter.com/MUWireSports/status/1637621104339566593?t=ommSofmOSufdQ67_ZIq9bg&s=19
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I think one person that could possibly transfer that hasn’t really been discussed is Joplin.
He can probably be a starter on a lot of teams, but if everyone stays, will more than likely be coming off the bench again next season.
Could very well be that it's an either/or for him and Omax. Jop could be a starting 4 and showed well defensively down the stretch, but he's not nearly the athlete Omax is
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You guys are all so quick to send everyone packing lol.
We value relationships.
https://twitter.com/MUWireSports/status/1637621104339566593?t=ommSofmOSufdQ67_ZIq9bg&s=19
Damn, that hurt to watch
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I don’t see how - or really why -
Keeyan and Ellis would stay. If everyone else is back ( or almost everyone) they will never play.
And … do we really think S. Jones can cut it in the BE at 5’ 8” ?
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I think one person that could possibly transfer that hasn’t really been discussed is Joplin.
He can probably be a starter on a lot of teams, but if everyone stays, will more than likely be coming off the bench again next season.
Not for Joplin, but every year is a surprise didn't see coming. No one knows and can speculate all they want.
Heck, Soriano from SJU said he will stay if Anderson stays. Not, maybe he stays with Pitino. What if he calls Shaka and says he would like to come to MU? That's just an example. There could be many examples of this behind the scenes no one is aware of, including current MU players.
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I don’t see how - or really why -
Keeyan and Ellis would stay. If everyone else is back ( or almost everyone) they will never play.
And … do we really think S. Jones can cut it in the BE at 5’ 8” ?
I thought Ellis was supposed to get minutes but was hurt?
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Could very well be that it's an either/or for him and Omax. Jop could be a starting 4 and showed well defensively down the stretch, but he's not nearly the athlete Omax is
But his performance today showed why he shouldn't start over OMax. But yes, an either/or has occurred to me.
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I don’t see how - or really why -
Keeyan and Ellis would stay. If everyone else is back ( or almost everyone) they will never play.
And … do we really think S. Jones can cut it in the BE at 5’ 8” ?
all comes down to developing a jumpshot.
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We need to rebound better and get some of the guys to develop mid range jumpers.
Omax I think made his first mid range jumper in this game, has to learn that mid range shot as he gets stuck driving to the hoop with nowhere to go. I know Shaka does not love the mid range game, but Walker killed them today with that shot. Oso would be unstoppable if he could do that. Hope he works on that.
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all comes down to developing a jumpshot.
Sean played most of the year like he was still in high school, driving to the hoop to throw up a ridiculous shot because guarding the rim where bigger players. Has lots to learn to play next year with Norman coming in. Has to become a better outside shooter, passed up tons of shots
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Sean played most of the year like he was still in high school, driving to the hoop to throw up a ridiculous shot because guarding the rim where bigger players. Has lots to learn to play next year with Norman coming in. Has to become a better outside shooter, passed up tons of shots
He’s got a lot of improving to do if Norman is as good as advertised. He really struggled to do anything after a pretty good start.
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I don’t see how - or really why -
Keeyan and Ellis would stay. If everyone else is back ( or almost everyone) they will never play.
And … do we really think S. Jones can cut it in the BE at 5’ 8” ?
so because you haven’t seen Ellis, he never is gonna play? He loves Shaka….he loves this team.
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My biggest concern is Memphis, Arkansas, etc. offering a ton of $ to Kam.
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My biggest concern is Memphis, Arkansas, etc. offering a ton of $ to Kam.
I think we’re overestimating how much money is being spent on transfers
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My biggest concern is Memphis, Arkansas, etc. offering a ton of $ to Kam.
The same Memphis team that didn't recruit him?
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And … do we really think S. Jones can cut it in the BE at 5’ 8” ?
You obviously didn’t see Nowell play today. Maybe we give Sean a chance to improve after his freshman year?
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Omax I think made his first mid range jumper in this game, has to learn that mid range shot as he gets stuck driving to the hoop with nowhere to go. I know Shaka does not love the mid range game, but Walker killed them today with that shot. Oso would be unstoppable if he could do that. Hope he works on that.
Kam would be the same with that midrange shot.
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General question about this topic, the off-season.
Based on how the players improved from last year to this year, how the coaches improved what they did from last year to this year, why wouldn’t you expect improvement across the board?
I simply don’t understand how anyone thinks the players and team won’t be even better in ‘23-24
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I firmly believe the development of Ross is extremely important to MU this offseason. You can see dude type traits there to be molded together.
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I have a boy? Oh, you mean Keeyan. Perhaps.
That one seems obvious. Two years in and he can barely get walk on minutes. I think a transfer to a much lower level of competition is best for all parties.
I have a number of other players in mind, too, for various reasons, like playing time, NIL and foreign-born players, and the quality of the incoming freshmen. We'll see.
Hope neither OMax not Gold move on, but could see it with OMax deciding to get a payday. Would suck, replacing his energy would be a challenge.
Playing time/incoming freshmen: I think from previous posts we agree on who that would be.
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Ross needs a mid range game as well, but a bigger weakness in his game is he has no right hand. The whole team will improve just like last year as they have enough video to go over with each player to go over there strengths and weaknesses
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Omax I think made his first mid range jumper in this game, has to learn that mid range shot as he gets stuck driving to the hoop with nowhere to go. I know Shaka does not love the mid range game, but Walker killed them today with that shot. Oso would be unstoppable if he could do that. Hope he works on that.
He should also buy a rotary phone and a typewriter.
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My biggest concern is Memphis, Arkansas, etc. offering a ton of $ to Kam.
They’re going to load up on 5* players. I’d be shocked of they are looking seriously at Kam. Do we just assume this cause he’s from Memphis?
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They’re going to load up on 5* players. I’d be shocked of they are looking seriously at Kam. Do we just assume this cause he’s from Memphis?
Memphis is in a horrible conference, why move down?
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That one seems obvious. Two years in and he can barely get walk on minutes. I think a transfer to a much lower level of competition is best for all parties.
Hope neither OMax not Gold move on, but could see it with OMax deciding to get a payday. Would suck, replacing his energy would be a challenge.
Playing time/incoming freshmen: I think from previous posts we agree on who that would be.
OMax has so much work needed on everything to be even in shouting range of being paid. He’s an inconsistent shooter, not a good rebounder, never blocks a shot, handle is ok. And defensively, he has work to do. Did anyone notice the opening possession where he nearly fell to the floor as his guy shook him to get a bucket? That would be a regular occurrence at next level.
He’s a nice college player but a long way to go. He’s foolish if he leaves for pay.
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Memphis is in a horrible conference, why move down?
Ab$olutely no rea$on what$over
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OMax has so much work needed on everything to be even in shouting range of being paid. He’s an inconsistent shooter, not a good rebounder, never blocks a shot, handle is ok. And defensively, he has work to do. Did anyone notice the opening possession where he nearly fell to the floor as his guy shook him to get a bucket? That would be a regular occurrence at next level.
He’s a nice college player but a long way to go. He’s foolish if he leaves for pay.
Yet he was our best player today
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He should also buy a rotary phone and a typewriter.
He doesn’t need a midrange game, but he greatly needs to improve his play in the halfcourt. He’s electric in trans and in broken play setting, but his lack of body control makes it difficult for him to break off a defender 1 on 1 at a stand still.
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Both are true. He has work to do. He was MU's best player today
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Yet he was our best player today
The intentional foul on Joey absolutely killed us.
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Definitely need to get better at 3-point shooting consistency. Tyler and Joplin did shoot 40% .. Kam at 35%.
But Kam in particular would have great games, 5-9, 5-10, 4-8 .. but in that mix, he'd have 0-8, 3-13, 0-6, 1-6, 1-7, 1-5.
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Yet he was our best player today
I’d argue Oso was, but even if he was that isn’t saying anything in our worst game of the year. He had plenty of missed opportunities today too.
And being our best player in today’s stinker means zilch to how his game projects to the next level.
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The intentional foul on Joey absolutely killed us.
Yeah it wasn’t ideal. Also not ideal that he missed a couple of open threes after burying two to open the 2nd half. He hits those and I think the outcome likely different.
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The intentional foul on Joey absolutely killed us.
It was one of many but a really bad play by him. And another example his defense is not as good as some here make it out as. Getting beat by Hauser?
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I firmly believe the development of Ross is extremely important to MU this offseason. You can see dude type traits there to be molded together.
Agree. Love his potential even though he struggled his first postseason.
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Get Shaka some more colorful polos. Once they have them, make them available to the general public.
Seriously, the MU Spirit Shop should be embarrassed for the lack of cool looking MU polos... Almost makes me more made than losing game..
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Yeah it wasn’t ideal. Also not ideal that he missed a couple of open threes after burying two to open the 2nd half. He hits those and I think the outcome likely different.
Missed shots happen. Frustrating but that’s just flow of the game stuff.
I’m a soccer guy - I’d compare that intentional foul to a last man, professional foul red card in the box with the opposing team converting the ensuing penalty.
That was an absolute backbreaker of a mistake that unnecessarily changed the game.
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It was one of many but a really bad play by him. And another example his defense is not as good as some here make it out as. Getting beat by Hauser?
What an idiotic post.
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Missed shots happen. Frustrating but that’s just flow of the game stuff.
I’m a soccer guy - I’d compare that intentional foul to a last man, professional foul red card in the box with the opposing team converting the ensuing penalty.
That was an absolute backbreaker of a mistake that unnecessarily changed the game.
Ok
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Hauser had made next to nothing from the field for 38 minutes. Like Hawkins last week.
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What an idiotic post.
He’s awesome on ball, but gets caught with poor body position/awareness off ball.
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Which is what led to the F1. Hauser cut, OMax got picked and then flailed.
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What an idiotic post.
Oh your argument is that was solid defense to grab his neck against a tremendously quick and gifted athlete like Hauser.
You’re such an a-hole all day every day
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Missed shots happen. Frustrating but that’s just flow of the game stuff.
I’m a soccer guy - I’d compare that intentional foul to a last man, professional foul red card in the box with the opposing team converting the ensuing penalty.
That was an absolute backbreaker of a mistake that unnecessarily changed the game.
Sticking with the soccer analogy:
We just won the EPL and FA cup, but went out early in the champions league.
Rational fans would call that a very successful season.
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Sticking with the soccer analogy:
We just won the EPL and FA cup, but went out early in the champions league.
Rational fans would call that a very successful season.
Agreed zig. Season is still a success in my mind. Still frustrating to crash out of a cup competition regardless of the circumstances.
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If I was wagering for junior mints, I’d say Keeyan will transfer. Wrightsil’s scholarship opens up, of course…and I sort of feel like Gold might go home. Not sure re:Sean Jones. He might get caught up in back court bodies. But, w/everyone else back, continued improvements, and solid incomings, MU will be hunted not hunter. Beat RED, top 3 BE finish, and advance to Sweet 16, minimum. Can’t wait!
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Don't recall exactly when, but apparent at some point today Kam needs to develop his right hand some.
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I would ride with
Omax
Jones elder
Stevie
Gold
Disappointed today with
Kolek
Chase
Great year for all but..
Very hopeful we keep people together! We welcome the frosh
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The same Memphis team that didn't recruit him?
So they wouldn’t be interested now….after seeing what he can do at at this level?
Is there some rule I missed that if you didnt recruit them as sophomores or juniors in HS you can never recruit them?
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So they wouldn’t be interested now….after seeing what he can do at at this level?
Is there some rule I missed that if you didnt recruit them as sophomores or juniors in HS you can never recruit them?
I'm saying that for Kam, I might be salty about that. Money talks, but if you can get a paycheck, the guys that didn't look twice at you the first go-around might not be it.
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If I was wagering for junior mints, I’d say Keeyan will transfer. Wrightsil’s scholarship opens up, of course…and I sort of feel like Gold might go home. Not sure re:Sean Jones. He might get caught up in back court bodies. But, w/everyone else back, continued improvements, and solid incomings, MU will be hunted not hunter. Beat RED, top 3 BE finish, and advance to Sweet 16, minimum. Can’t wait!
Itejere and Wrightsil will be gone. I think Ellis will be on the team next year as just a program guy with not many minutes expected.
I’d be a little surprised if we hang on to Gold. I sure hope so since I think he’s got lots of potential but that kid would get a lot of minutes somewhere next year and his role was pretty minimal this year.
Not sure on Sean Jones. I thought he had some highs and lows this year. He’s a guy who could develop and become a good upperclassmen. Tre Norman is not coming here to have the role he had though.
Joplin would be getting 28 minutes a game at several P6 schools. He got 19 a game this year. Is he ok with that?
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There are four guys who I think would be very hard to replace. Beyond that, I'm not going to fret over the portal.
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There are four guys who I think would be very hard to replace. Beyond that, I'm not going to fret over the portal.
1. Tyler
2. Kam
3. Oso
4. Stevie
Are these the 4 in order?
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I thought Ellis was supposed to get minutes but was hurt?
He maybe WAS...but after how the season went with so many awesome performance from
Kolek
Jones
Jones
Ross
Stevie
Norman coming in
Lowery coming in
do you really think he has minutes available?
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Wait a minute, they just said TCU seeks 43 deflections a game. Is Shaka setting the bar too low at 32?
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He maybe WAS...but after how the season went with so many awesome performance from
Kolek
Jones
Jones
Ross
Stevie
Norman coming in
Lowery coming in
do you really think he has minutes available?
The only guys I’d guarantee minutes ahead of him are TK, KJ, SM, and CR.
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The only guys I’d guarantee minutes ahead of him are TK, KJ, SM, and CR.
Norman is a stone cold lock.
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They’re going to load up on 5* players. I’d be shocked of they are looking seriously at Kam. Do we just assume this cause he’s from Memphis?
Yes…..only suggesting memphis due to proximity to his home.
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I'm hoping Joplin can develop more of a consistent offensive game and work on his handles. He can get hot and shoot sometimes, but he needs to really tighten his handle and develop more inside the 3-point line. Also hoping Oso can keep working on his offensive game because he's often pretty reliant on Kolek/good passes. Will be interesting to see how the guards shake out with incoming players.
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Itejere and Wrightsil will be gone. I think Ellis will be on the team next year as just a program guy with not many minutes expected.
I’d be a little surprised if we hang on to Gold. I sure hope so since I think he’s got lots of potential but that kid would get a lot of minutes somewhere next year and his role was pretty minimal this year.
Not sure on Sean Jones. I thought he had some highs and lows this year. He’s a guy who could develop and become a good upperclassmen. Tre Norman is not coming here to have the role he had though.
Joplin would be getting 28 minutes a game at several P6 schools. He got 19 a game this year. Is he ok with that?
Great post….right on.
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I wouldn’t be quick to write off Keeyan. He’s got size, length and looks athletic. This was his first non redshirt season. Oso wasn’t getting any minutes his first year either. Bigs are so difficult to find. I hope he can make a jump and earn rotation minutes next year. Depth up front is much needed.
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I wouldn’t be quick to write off Keeyan. He’s got size, length and looks athletic. This was his first non redshirt season. Oso wasn’t getting any minutes his first year either. Bigs are so difficult to find. I hope he can make a jump and earn rotation minutes next year. Depth up front is much needed.
Oso was starting to get a few minutes his freshman year--and I thought his play should have earned him more--but then he got injured. And this was Keeyan's second year in the program already; yes, first non-redshirt, but I would have expected a lot more after sitting and learning for a year. I'll be stunned if he is ever a meaningful contributor at MU.
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Interesting thread with a lot of speculation. End of the day it was a piss poor game plan ala Crean that didn’t know how to find dribble penetration into the paint. That’s on the coaches.
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I'm hoping Joplin can develop more of a consistent offensive game and work on his handles. He can get hot and shoot sometimes, but he needs to really tighten his handle and develop more inside the 3-point line. Also hoping Oso can keep working on his offensive game because he's often pretty reliant on Kolek/good passes. Will be interesting to see how the guards shake out with incoming players.
While frustrating at times, I think Joplin had a really good season. He showed a willingness to try and develop his game in the post and get different looks. While it’s still a work in progress, I think it’ll continue to get better. Shaka gave him a pretty long leash this year, so hopefully the patience pays off. If our guys continue to make strides the way Joplin did this year, we’ll be in good shape.
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Oso was starting to get a few minutes his freshman year--and I thought his play should have earned him more--but then he got injured. And this was Keeyan's second year in the program already; yes, first non-redshirt, but I would have expected a lot more after sitting and learning for a year. I'll be stunned if he is ever a meaningful contributor at MU.
It is concerning Shaka didn’t trust him for any playing time when they certainly could have used more depth behind Oso. Gold was their one and only option and that’s really not his game.
Hopefully he’s just an example that bigs usually take time in developing and it varies when they’re ready to contribute. Next year is make or break for him at MU if he’s back.
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While frustrating at times, I think Joplin had a really good season. He showed a willingness to try and develop his game in the post and get different looks. While it’s still a work in progress, I think it’ll continue to get better. Shaka gave him a pretty long leash this year, so hopefully the patience pays off. If our guys continue to make strides the way Joplin did this year, we’ll be in good shape.
He was so good at MSG.
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End of the day it was a piss poor game plan ala Crean that didn’t know how to find dribble penetration into the paint. That’s on the coaches.
It's ultimately up to the guys to be able to dribble and/or not fall down when they get there.
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Interesting thread with a lot of speculation. End of the day it was a piss poor game plan ala Crean that didn’t know how to find dribble penetration into the paint. That’s on the coaches.
Gameplan wasn't bad. At all.
Marquette got next to nothing from the guy they are used to producing everything and had the game tied with a few minutes left.
Our execution was there basically all year...until today.
Experience is key. It is tough to just win without experience. Add this to the experience column and use it moving forward. Every championship team has a story...maybe this is part of our future champion story.
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Gameplan wasn't bad. At all.
Marquette got next to nothing from the guy they are used to producing everything and had the game tied with a few minutes left.
Our execution was there basically all year...until today.
Experience is key. It is tough to just win without experience. Add this to the experience column and use it moving forward. Every championship team has a story...maybe this is part of our future champion story.
This game was lost in the first 10 minutes as there was no plan to counteract the dribble penetration defense. MU was down 18-8 in the first ten minutes. Game over. That’s on the game plan.
I know the script here is to jump on the criticizer but I call them as I see them. The game plan was predictable as it was the standard Izzo game plan. MU saw it before and I called that out. The result was a piss poor game plan against the only B1G team left standing. Shaka needs some self reflection on roster composition and situationals. Great year and strategy but…
MU went from Point A to B. Those who know ball predicted a double digit win. Can we get to Point C?
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Shaka needs some self reflection on roster composition and situationals. Great year and strategy but…
MU went from Point A to B. Those who know ball predicted a double digit win. Can we get to Point C?
I'm not fully there with you on the gameplan, because I also saw a team come out and play super tight and lose their PG after 5 minutes to two silly fouls. I think there's a human element here that we can't ignore.
That said, I have been thinking about the roster composition. I know he wants to switch and fly around but as I look at this tournament, you gotta add some beef. Gotta get some of your misses and most of theirs.
While Jop and Kam are good shooters I don't think you can't quite count on either consistently yet. Need another guy who can knock it down.
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This game was lost in the first 10 minutes as there was no plan to counteract the dribble penetration defense. MU was down 18-8 in the first ten minutes. Game over. That’s on the game plan.
The game was over at 18-8 10 minutes in? Oso and Tyler sat for almost half of the first half and we were down 5. Made adjustments and went up early in the 2nd half. Then we had 7 straight chances to expand the lead and turned it over 6 times and missed a shot. Fumbling the ball, stepping out of bounds and making poor passes had zero to do with the game plan or roster construction.
I respect you “calling ‘‘em like you see ‘em” but you’ve been skeptical (and wrong) about this team and it’s coach most of the year.
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This game was lost in the first 10 minutes as there was no plan to counteract the dribble penetration defense. MU was down 18-8 in the first ten minutes. Game over. That’s on the game plan.
I know the script here is to jump on the criticizer but I call them as I see them. The game plan was predictable as it was the standard Izzo game plan. MU saw it before and I called that out. The result was a piss poor game plan against the only B1G team left standing. Shaka needs some self reflection on roster composition and situationals. Great year and strategy but…
MU went from Point A to B. Those who know ball predicted a double digit win. Can we get to Point C?
Marquette had multiple leads in the 2nd half lol.
Gameplan was just fine. If they got anything from their player of the year they win easy.
Credit to Tyler for owning it and not making excuses but I have to believe his thumb played a major role in his play the past 2 games. Probably frustrating for him controlling a whole season and then feeling unlike himself.
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Keeping Nevada Smith should be a priority
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I know Shaka is anti-portal, but at a certain point to get from great you’re gonna need to pick up one of those guys. Not saying this year because of the scholarship crunch.
Obviously Shaka has shown he can develop his own guys, and that’s great. But you gotta play the game to win the whole thing.
My one big worry about Shaka is he’s gonna get left behind because he’ll be stubborn with transfers, even if they’re a great fit.
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The game was over at 18-8 10 minutes in? Oso and Tyler sat for almost half of the first half and we were down 5. Made adjustments and went up early in the 2nd half. Then we had 7 straight chances to expand the lead and turned it over 6 times and missed a shot. Fumbling the ball, stepping out of bounds and making poor passes had zero to do with the game plan or roster construction.
I respect you “calling ‘‘em like you see ‘em” but you’ve been skeptical (and wrong) about this team and it’s coach most of the year.
Totally agree. Ridiculous to say the game is over 7-8 minutes in.
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All I can say is Shaka and the team need to prepare for a slightly longer season next year.
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Need to recruit the core guys back and find soft landings for Ellis and Itejere. Creates room for one transfer that needs to be a big
Absolutely. A big that can block shots and can stop drives to basket
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The game was over at 18-8 10 minutes in? Oso and Tyler sat for almost half of the first half and we were down 5. Made adjustments and went up early in the 2nd half. Then we had 7 straight chances to expand the lead and turned it over 6 times and missed a shot. Fumbling the ball, stepping out of bounds and making poor passes had zero to do with the game plan or roster construction.
I respect you “calling ‘‘em like you see ‘em” but you’ve been skeptical (and wrong) about this team and it’s coach most of the year.
I agree with this analysis. The sequence of turnovers after we got up in the second half…can’t put that on the coaches.
I do feel we may need to reconsider the NO midrange philosophy some, however. I feel a guy like Joplin could benefit from having a midrange green light. OMax too.
This team and coaching staff turned in one of MU’s best seasons in history. Disappointing finish, but a massively successful season and Year 2 Shaka.
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I don’t see how - or really why -
Keeyan and Ellis would stay. If everyone else is back ( or almost everyone) they will never play.
And … do we really think S. Jones can cut it in the BE at 5’ 8” ?
Yrs. He's a muscular 5'10" with great quickness and moves. He'll do well.
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I know Shaka is anti-portal, but at a certain point to get from great you’re gonna need to pick up one of those guys. Not saying this year because of the scholarship crunch.
Obviously Shaka has shown he can develop his own guys, and that’s great. But you gotta play the game to win the whole thing.
My one big worry about Shaka is he’s gonna get left behind because he’ll be stubborn with transfers, even if they’re a great fit.
He’s brought in Kur, Daryl, O Max & Tyler.
All he’s said is he won’t over pay for a transfer when a solution is on his bench. Worrying about Shaka at this point is ridiculous. He’s proven each year he’ll get this team better. Trust the process.
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It is going to be a long 225 days until next season, but next year’s squad will be worth the wait. This loss will provide plenty of fuel for continued development of our core and the sky is the limit with the talent we have. Might lose a piece here or there, but the core is set and we’re adding a couple very talented freshmen. I’m excited to see what Shaka can do with this group. My expectation is that we absolutely throttle the Big East next year.
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Shaka isn't anti the portal. He was seeking a back up center. This past off-season the available bigs were seeking bags of cash. He did not want to give bags of cash to a one year rental.
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First, the entire team Needs to spend the summer developing their mon dominant hands . Being able to confidently use either hand is a big asset and it makes opponent game planning much more difficult.
Second , work on Free Throw shooting. Our league is only getting tougher and we need to pick up production where ever we can find it. Also really helps in tournaments situations.
Finally, everyone needs to get after it hard in the weight room . Put on some more muscle and improve speed and jumping .
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I fully agree that an effective big is needed for rebounding and rim protection. If you look at the teams left standing, they all have at least one - some of them have two. But, I do not see any evidence that Shaka is recruiting that big, and it does not look like he can get one from the portal due to the scholarship situation. It is a problem that Shaka will eventually have to solve, but he undoubtedly knows that.
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This game was lost in the first 10 minutes as there was no plan to counteract the dribble penetration defense. MU was down 18-8 in the first ten minutes. Game over. That’s on the game plan.
Honestly, how it that true when Marquette lead the game in the 2nd half?
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What is the approximate time frame for the major decisions?
Will we know almost everything by the end of April?
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I fully agree that an effective big is needed for rebounding and rim protection. If you look at the teams left standing, they all have at least one - some of them have two. But, I do not see any evidence that Shaka is recruiting that big, and it does not look like he can get one from the portal due to the scholarship situation. It is a problem that Shaka will eventually have to solve, but he undoubtedly knows that.
That's all fine and dandy but our offense was the biggest problem yesterday. The fact that Michigan State really couldn't make a three and still beat us is really tough to stomach.. We got hurt on the offensive glass but this was a 56-54 game with like 2 mins to go. Oso is a solid big and Gold has a lot of potential. As others have mentioned I think Gold should have gotten a few more mins in the 2H. The fact is you're not winning rd of 32 games when your best player plays really poorly . It's just not going to happen.
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https://twitter.com/DelaneyBrey/status/1637599227382583297?s=20
Doesn't look like a guy who is going to bolt because someone offers him money to do so.
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https://twitter.com/DelaneyBrey/status/1637599227382583297?s=20
Doesn't look like a guy who is going to bolt because someone offers him money to do so.
Nope. I think his love for the team and Shaka run deep. AND, seems to me that MU can come up with some NIL love for its leading scorer.
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There seems to be a common opinion on this board that NIL makes it less likely for players to stay at MU. I see it as the opposite.
1). Our program is extremely well-funded and in great position to be competitive with the top universities.
2). NIL provides strong incentive for future pros who probably aren’t draft picks to stick in college longer. Consider Omax. Perhaps he could leave after this year and make $300k/year overseas. He’s leaving a lot less on the table comparatively through NIL, where he (probably) stands to make $200k+ at MU.
It’s the same calculus that kept Oscar Tshibwe at Kentucky. Maybe he (delusionally) thought he could improve his draft stock with another year at college. But no way would he have stayed if not for his massive NIL deal. We’re much more likely to see fringy pros stick around MU if they can make some real money here.
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I thought the reason Tswhiebe didn’t go pro was he was a good college player that likely didn’t fit in the NBA.
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Absolutely. A big that can block shots and can stop drives to basket
One's that do that in college usually bog down the offense. Who's minutes is he going to take? IMO, the guys we already roll with need to improve their rebounding.
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There seems to be a common opinion on this board that NIL makes it less likely for players to stay at MU. I see it as the opposite.
1). Our program is extremely well-funded and in great position to be competitive with the top universities.
2). NIL provides strong incentive for future pros who probably aren’t draft picks to stick in college longer. Consider Omax. Perhaps he could leave after this year and make $300k/year overseas. He’s leaving a lot less on the table comparatively through NIL, where he (probably) stands to make $200k+ at MU.
It’s the same calculus that kept Oscar Tshibwe at Kentucky. Maybe he (delusionally) thought he could improve his draft stock with another year at college. But no way would he have stayed if not for his massive NIL deal. We’re much more likely to see fringy pros stick around MU if they can make some real money here.
That may be the case but it's the uncertainty right now considering NIL is new and this is the first time our team has been really good in the NIL era. I think if we see the team stay in tact for next season a lot of concerns, whether unfounded or not, will be alleviated, including mine.
This year was special and I would hate to see next year impacted because of NIL-related losses as it could be more special.
Also, I thought OMax couldn't get NIL money because he's Canadian but I hope I'm wrong about that.
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There seems to be a common opinion on this board that NIL makes it less likely for players to stay at MU. I see it as the opposite.
1). Our program is extremely well-funded and in great position to be competitive with the top universities.
2). NIL provides strong incentive for future pros who probably aren’t draft picks to stick in college longer. Consider Omax. Perhaps he could leave after this year and make $300k/year overseas. He’s leaving a lot less on the table comparatively through NIL, where he (probably) stands to make $200k+ at MU.
It’s the same calculus that kept Oscar Tshibwe at Kentucky. Maybe he (delusionally) thought he could improve his draft stock with another year at college. But no way would he have stayed if not for his massive NIL deal. We’re much more likely to see fringy pros stick around MU if they can make some real money here.
The way it has been explained to me Is OMax and Ben are international players who are nor allowed to collect NIL $. So I don’t think $200K+ is happening.
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https://twitter.com/DelaneyBrey/status/1637599227382583297?s=20
Doesn't look like a guy who is going to bolt because someone offers him money to do so.
Maybe….maybe not. No one knows what Kam and family are thinking. It was a tough loss….and it is very difficult when your season ends.
However, a player crying after a loss in the NCAA tournament is not indicative of their future plans. As the tournament goes on, and players lose and cry…..those players may return next year, they may transfer, they may go pro, etc. But Kam crying certainly doesn’t mean anything regarding his future plans.
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I thought the reason Tswhiebe didn’t go pro was he was a good college player that likely didn’t fit in the NBA.
That is certainly true. I don’t think NIL provides much counter incentive for draft picks, particularly first round picks.
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Just wanted to say that although Izzo is oft-maligned for the Nasser thing and issues with some of his own previous players, if you look at how he speaks after both wins and losses and then look at this handshake line… he and his players have empathy and class. Maybe some of it is because of what that campus has been through lately.
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There seems to be a common opinion on this board that NIL makes it less likely for players to stay at MU. I see it as the opposite.
1). Our program is extremely well-funded and in great position to be competitive with the top universities.
Is this published somewhere? I haven't seen anything public regarding the level of NIL funding compared to other major programs.
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One's that do that in college usually bog down the offense. Who's minutes is he going to take? IMO, the guys we already roll with need to improve their rebounding.
If the rebounding is going to get better it needs to be addressed by the coaching staff. It's hard to say how much is on the personnel when Shaka has literally never had a good rebounding team.
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That may be the case but it's the uncertainty right now considering NIL is new and this is the first time our team has been really good in the NIL era. I think if we see the team stay in tact for next season a lot of concerns, whether unfounded or not, will be alleviated, including mine.
This year was special and I would hate to see next year impacted because of NIL-related losses as it could be more special.
Also, I thought OMax couldn't get NIL money because he's Canadian but I hope I'm wrong about that.
We’ll certainly learn a lot over the next few months, but I’m bullish on Marquette’s positioning within NIL and the portal environment. Predicting Marquette will lose no more than one player from the rotation:
Kolek
K. Jones
Oso
Stevie
Omax
Joplin
Ross
Gold
S. Jones
I forgot about the international concern — that’s a good point. Perhaps the federal government will change rules to allow student visa holders access to NIL, but can’t count on that. Still betting that Omax and Gold think their path ahead is best by staying at MU another year.
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Is this published somewhere? I haven't seen anything public regarding the level of NIL funding compared to other major programs.
MU has been mum on this, IMO smartly. But it’s very hard for me to believe that the program is having a difficult time soliciting funds for NIL. The boosters that support MUBB care about these players and understand the importance of being competitive here. We have money for everything else — why would NIL be any different?
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There is a fund. We can all contribute.