Scholarship table
Okay are you telling me middle class families don't have access to internet. Come on now.
I put a list of items: Internet, tutors, etc. You are cherry picking internet from my list.Middle class families making a total of under $56k do not have access to tutors and other resources the people they are competing against do have access to.About 18% of households do not even have a computer. Over 20% do not have any internet.The majority of american households cannot afford tutors, or ACT/SAT strategy classes/books/training. Getting into Universities like UW is highly competitive, unequal access to resources puts many children at an extreme disadvantage.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.
Exactly what I said when I read that headline. Seems illogical to me. I don't usually get hung up on things having to be absolutely fair (except on a basketball court that my team is playing on), but this seems really unfair. Are people going to go into their HR departments and ask for a pay cut?
Agreed. Means testing sucks! Universalism rules.Free public college for all.Medicare for all.Universal basic income.We'd be an infinitely better society with those 3 things.
Free college and universal healthcare has definitely ruined Germany, Finland and Sweden.Those are the real sh-tholes.
Free college for all? But that wouldn't be fair. What about all those people who paid their own way!
I'm telling you that there is a very strong correlation between family income and standardized test scores. So yes, the money that we are pouring into public schools isn't leveling the playing field. It's much more complex than "money."
Correct!The single best indicator for standardized test scores is parents educational achievement and that is strongly corrected with their income. And it is not because rich parents pay for practice classes. Rather the wealthier the parents more likely reached high levels of education themselves (say graduated from a very selective school or a post-graduate degree) and they demand/expect their kids achieve at least their levels of education. Poor parents do the same, they demand of their kids they achieve at least their level of education. So, if that is a high school, technical or associate degree, they are not demanding/expecting their kids to apply to ivy league schools like kids with two parents with post-graduate degrees from selective schools.
A lot of grand speculation there.
You're playing dumb ...How to predict a student’s SAT score: Look at the parents’ tax returnhttp://www.danpink.com/2012/02/how-to-predict-a-students-sat-score-look-at-the-parents-tax-return/These four charts show how the SAT favors rich, educated familieshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/03/05/these-four-charts-show-how-the-sat-favors-the-rich-educated-families/?utm_term=.a0ea79e27c3eHow Family Background Influences Student Achievementhttp://educationnext.org/how-family-background-influences-student-achievement/
The speculation is your claim that kids of wealthier parents do better simply because their parents demand more, as opposed to a host of other factors, many of which are cited in the stories you linked.These other factors include access to better schools, more time for parental involvement and access to educational resources outside school (books at home, computers, tutors, libraries, camps, music lessons, etc.).
I'll bottom line it for you ...Poor kids are at a disadvantage to rich kids because many poor kids have sh!theads parents. As they reason they are poor is the parents are sh!theads.No amount of money to public schools and "resources" can offset sh!theads parents.
If you're OK with only the gifted going to college (see Germany) maybe it's doable in the USA. Finland and Norway are small, homogeneous cultures - any comp to the US is specious.
Right. The only reason people are poor is because they are sh!theads.You learned a lot at Marquette I see.
+1 about this tied saw of comparing the US to countries of sameness with less than 10 million in population.Regarding mimicking successful idea, by most metrics homeschoolers are more successful than kids that go to public schools. Maybe we should close all public schools for homeschooling?Oh wait, you say, homeschoolers are self-selected which is why they do better. Yes, you are correct, which makes them like the elite/talented that go to college in Germany.College is cheap or free in Europe but it hard to qualify. Harvard is the same way. They will not charge if a family making less than $75k. But you have to get in first.Here we want it to be free and accessible to all. Cannot have both. Can have it accessible to all, and then the product is crap. Or you can have it free and the vast majority will never get in.
Again, what does that mean in context of providing education? Countries of sameness? Can you guys just say what you mean?