13 Indiana loses @ Nebraska

[avid1010]

Looks like a choking traditional peed himself at the FT line and on the last offensive possession

i can't be a fan of anything IU, and i was thrilled to see hulls miss that FT, but the kid reminds me a lot of diener.  even his shot coming just a touch off the shoulder...really enjoy watching him play...too bad his coach is a bum.

[avid1010]

Correct. UAB smoked us (Wade may have had double digit turnovers) in our last game before the Final Four run.

that was by design

[Dawson Rental]

i can't be a fan of anything IU, and i was thrilled to see hulls miss that FT, but the kid reminds me a lot of diener.  even his shot coming just a touch off the shoulder...really enjoy watching him play...too bad his coach is a bum.

Diener, ... Diener...... Oh, yeah, that kid that Murphius said would never be able to get his shot off in Division I, and who Murphius said Wisconsin didn't want because he wasn't strong enough to play in the Big Ten... whatever happened to that guy?

[downtown85]

the knives are out on the hoosier board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=170&f=2353&t=8591505

Here is a quote by one of the hoosier faithful,


"I think that Crean would make a great Used Car Salesman on a Buy Here Pay Lot. But I just dont think that he will ever hang a banner in the Hall even if he had 5 All Americans at his Disposal.. Just My Honest Opinion, Like It or Not."

[whodem]

UAB was in the 03 conference tourney and East Carolina was the year before if my memory serves me correctly

Lost to ECU during the Final 4 season as well, and in Wade's first year. Crean is just doing what he does best....Have his team regress as the season goes on.

[DJO's Pump Fake]

Standard Crean team......jump out to a great non-con and beginning of the conf season, then mediocrity sets in as the stumble to the finish line ensues.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Like at MU, it's apparent that even with some success (kentucky and Ohio st) those fans are holding their noses when supporting the creep. When he inevitably leaves, they'll admit they never liked him. He's such an unlikable douchebag it's a pleasure to root against him.

[Tugg Speedman]

According the ESPN, the last time Nebraska beat IU was 1920.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Why do you guys care?

I have far better things to do than watch a basketball team/coach that I don't like.

I mean, seriously, get another hobby, gentlemen.

[Golden Avalanche]

Superbar topics are pretty clear.......only when they're not.

But, yes, let's be bothered with the machinations of another up and down team as if our own up and down team isn't enough to be worried about.  

[lurch91]

Yikes!

From that IU thread.

It's not going to change.

Crean does not know how to use timeouts to stop the other team's momentum and his lineups are highly questionable.

He is a slick PR guy and a solid recruiter but a very bad in game coach. There is no way IU should be losing to Minnesota and Nebraska in his FOURTH year.

Not trying to kick him when he's down, I'm over him leaving MU - although I still hate HOW he left.  But I think the average Hoosier fan knows more about basketball then the average American.  The Hoosiers ran Davis out of town and he got them to the Final Four, of course Davis had his own problems. 

[ringout]

Hate the way Crean left, and that he signed a 10 year contract and bailed after 2.  I will never wish him success...But...I don't really care anymore.

Getting some good laughs from this thread, but he has great recruits this year and next.  He should be successful. 

He probably won't suck forever (but it would be fun if he did).

[wyzgy]

wonder if they are going to take the tanning bed back as part of his contract until/if he can right this wreck

[4everwarriors]

Crean ain't that good.

[Tugg Speedman]

Actually Crean will fail because he cannot live up to the impossible expectations IU fans have.

Here is what Hoopaloop wrote on December 10 after they beat Kentucky

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=29050.msg335329#msg335329

If I were to wager, they will likely hang a real banner (Final Four or National Title) before we do again.  They have it going big time there and they are stable with their conference, which is very important.  The Big Ten is the best conference in basketball this year which is the one thing that will hold IU back a bit this season, but next year they will be a top 10 program.

Crean has them ranked for a few weeks in the top 10.,  They are in the conversation for a top finish in the B10/12.  They will most likely make the tourney and even win a game or two.  In other words, Crean has them about as far as he had the MU teams just as he left.

But, that is not good enough.  This level of success is supposed to be a mere stepping stone on the way to becoming UNC/Duke with bad weather.  And if IU does not become the UNC/Duke version with snow, he will be failure.

He will not take them that far and hence he will be seen as a failure.  The next in a long line in Bloomington that cannot met impossible expectations.

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Top 10 ranking for a few weeks, top 4 conference finish and a few sweet sixteen appearances a decade is what Crean is capable of.  Essentially that is what he did with MU.  

The assumption was Crean not could go to a level higher than this because MU held him back.  Wrong.  Buzz proved this as he was an unproven coach that has MU at the same level as Crean did after nine seasons.  The problem is this is all Crean is capable of (unless/until he lucks out with Wade v2.0 again).  Crean is held back by Crean, not MU.

He's a good coach but he's not a young version of Roy Williams, Boehiem, Calhoun, Coach K, etc.  He's the level below them.  Not a bad place to be but not good enough for Bloomington.

[ringout]

Actually Crean will fail because he cannot live up to the impossible expectations IU fans have.

has MU at the same level as Crean did after nine seasons.  The problem is this is all Crean is capable of (unless/until he lucks out with Wade v2.0 again).  Crean is held back by Crean, not MU.

He's a good coach but he's not a young version of Roy Williams, Boehiem, Calhoun, Coach K, etc.  He's the level below them.  Not a bad place to be but not good enough for Bloomington.

You're gonna get a 15 page screed from Hoopaloop now.

[Hoopaloop]

the knives are out on the hoosier board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=170&f=2353&t=8591505

Here is a quote by one of the hoosier faithful,


"I think that Crean would make a great Used Car Salesman on a Buy Here Pay Lot. But I just dont think that he will ever hang a banner in the Hall even if he had 5 All Americans at his Disposal.. Just My Honest Opinion, Like It or Not."

IU fans are the worse.  We've been enjoying the meltdown on the Purdue board.  That being said, what does it say about our fans that on a night when Cincinnati beats UCONN and opens up second place run for us there are 3 posts about it but over 2 pages on IU (a non rival, non opponent) losing?  Our fanbase has a lot of their own issues.

[jesmu84]

IU fans are the worse.  We've been enjoying the meltdown on the Purdue board.  That being said, what does it say about our fans that on a night when Cincinnati beats UCONN and opens up second place run for us there are 3 posts about it but over 2 pages on IU (a non rival, non opponent) losing?  Our fanbase has a lot of their own issues.

It says we pay attention to coaches and players who leave our program?

[Tugg Speedman]

what does it say about our fans that on a night when Cincinnati beats UCONN and opens up second place run for us there are 3 posts about it but over 2 pages on IU (a non rival, non opponent) losing?  Our fanbase has a lot of their own issues.

Wrong!

The Cincy thread was started at the same time as this thread (as both games finished about the same time) and both threads are two pages.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=29873.0

It seems to say we are as interested in the BE as we are with our former coach.

[Hoopaloop]

It seems we (i.e. YOU) are interested with ONE of our former coaches when they lose, which is why you have started several of these threads.  If you were truly interested in our former coach, you would start threads of every game, win or lose.  We get the agenda. 

Thank you for the link.  So we spent 2 pages on IU losing and 2 pages on our own conference rivals.  Still says a lot.

Your judgment of Crean at IU should probably wait until after the next two years.  This year's team is the same as last year's + Zeller.  They are way ahead of what anyone thought.  The results of the last three games not surprising, especially after Nebraska nearly took out Wisconsin in Madison the other day.  The wins over OSU and Kentucky were shockers.  They still have two starters that are not Big Ten material and cannot play defense.  This is why they will get exposed by certain teams, especially if their 3 point shooting suffers. All that changes for them next year where for the first time since he has been there they will have true athletes at all five positions and depth.  More than likely, that will be the norm for them.

You mentioned all Crean delivered at MU was a few Sweet 16's.  I seem to recall a Final Four as well.  A number of future NBA players.  It would be surprising to not see him to do quite well at IU.  They're ahead of everyone's expectations for this year.  Some of their fans are delusional in the same fashion as some of ours are.  The example below from lurch, check out that same fan's comments on the IU boards after the Kentucky, Michigan and Ohio State wins.  You have to dismiss most of these message board fans as arm chair qb's that know absolutely nothing.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

You mentioned all Crean delivered at MU was a few Sweet 16's. 

Did i sleep through those 9 years? When were these Sweet 16s?

[MerrittsMustache]

SLU (15-4) beat Duquense by 27 today.

USC (5-14) plays at Oregon State tonight and is attempting to end their 7-game losing streak.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

[ringout]

Was Chicos once the same poster who used the Liberty Bell as his avatar?