Last Jedi *SPOILER* thread

[tower912]

So those who have seen it won't ruin it for those who haven't.......
Things that bothered me......
Snoke died too quick and easy.  And a movie too soon. 
Didn't like much about the side trip to the casino.
How does Kylo Ren get redeemed if there isn't a bigger baddie?
Things I liked....
Humor.
Interplay between Rey and Ren.
Yoda.
Luke's weakness was that he was a whiner.
The twist at the end.  I remember Ren's feet in the salt.  Did they show Luke's?

A-

I'm going to have to see it again to get the exact wording of the quote, so forgive me if I am off by a little,  but how long until we get a "Everything you said in that last statement is wrong" gif and meme on scoop?

[cheebs09]

I thoughts Snoke and Phasma were kind of wasted. I was hoping to learn more about them and how they came to be.

I actually thought the humor was a little too much. It felt forced and came at some pretty serious times.

The Superman Leia part was pretty tough for me.

All in all, I thought as a stand-alone movie, it was exciting and had a fun adventure. I think TFA set it up for some very cool places it could go, but this went in a different direction. I think I’ll enjoy it more after a second viewing.

That scene where the lightsaber called out to Rey in TFA was kind of forgotten about. There were also some scenes that seemed like they were plucked right out of Empire or ROTJ. It has set things up to where I have no clue where they go for Episode 9 and that’s exciting.

[mu03eng]

I really liked it and I think I will like it more with each watch.

Howeva...the big plot point I'm struggling with is Holdo taking the cruiser into hyperspace and wiping out the First Order fleet. Like how? And if that's a thing why aren't there hyperspace based weapons that do that stuff???

[mu03eng]

Also, I'm confused as to how this sets anything up for IX and the Leia problem is glaring. They are going to have to advance the timeline at least a couple of years prior to IX, Yes?

Also, am I crazy or were the original Jedi books in the Falcon at the end(in the draw Finn took a blanket out of for Rose)

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Here's my big issue with it.

The Force Awakens set up the trilogy to answer two major questions:
1. What is Rey's lineage?
2. Who is Snoke?

The Last Jedi answered those deliberately setup questions with:
1. It doesn't matter
2. It doesn't matter

TFA has been completely deemed irrelevant by TLJ. Maybe that's the plan, make A New Hope clone to re-engage the fan base and then take it in a different direction. If that's the case, the Snoke/Rey foreshadowing in TFA didn't need to be included.

Minor complaints:
1. Mary Poppins Leia, dumb dumb dumb. Why is she alive? I feel like there's either some CGI Leia coming in 9 that's necessary (Rey's mom) or there's going to be a large time jump and she's going to pass during.

2. R2 and Luke reunion was hot garbage. Poe molested BB8 everytime their apart, but Luke and R2 are less than excited? Luke lectures R2 on language? R2 has always been the wiser one. R2 was literally in a coma when Luke went missing, but whatever in TLJ. Also, where was R2 at the end?

3. Phasma totally got Fett'd. Awesome armour gets no story, no presence.

4. Casino/Finn/Rose was necessary social commentary, UNLESS that force kid at the ends up being a big role in 9.

5. Chewbacca has a moral issue with eating Porgs? He's a goddamn Wookie, unnatural carnal knowledge Porgs. Chewy with some badass flying, but another original character that continues to get marginalized.

6. Speaking of original characters, Admiral Ackbar gets smoked with no fanfare? A brief mention? Get out of here. After Ackbar dies, the Resistance literally keeps falling into traps. Instead of purple hair Jurassic Park lady lightspeed attacking, let Ackbar go out with that glory, which brings me to...

Things I loved:
1. The Lightspeed attack was brilliant cinema. The silence, my theater was actually silent. It was chilling and fantastic.

2. Kylo and Adam Driver. The best acting Star Wars has had. (Period). The performance in TLJ makes his acting in TFA even better. Kylo does become Vader's successor. He did what Vader couldn't, overthrow his master and become Supreme Leader.

3. The Imperial Guard fight scene was fantastically done and shot. Could have been out of a Tarantino movie it was that well put together.

4. The Luke ending. I'm not personally happy with the ending of Luke, but it was interesting. Yoda made him think Rey knew everything, but she stole the books. The haircut, hair dye and no footsteps in the salt were nice teasers for those looking for it. Could have done without the shoulder brush.

5. The direction for 9. While unsatisfied between TFA and TLJ, I think Rian has setup JJ for a fantastic ending of the Rey and Kylo arc.

[mu03eng]

Here's my big issue with it.

The Force Awakens set up the trilogy to answer two major questions:
1. What is Rey's lineage?
2. Who is Snoke?

The Last Jedi answered those deliberately setup questions with:
1. It doesn't matter
2. It doesn't matter

TFA has been completely deemed irrelevant by TLJ. Maybe that's the plan, make A New Hope clone to re-engage the fan base and then take it in a different direction. If that's the case, the Snoke/Rey foreshadowing in TFA didn't need to be included.

I'll have to watch again but are we sure that Ren was telling the truth, or at least not telling the truth from a certain point of view? If he was, when you combine it with this legend talk and the kid at the end with force powers, I wonder if they are setting up this narrative that democratizes the force that anyone can be special and the de-emphizing of the Skywalker line because they are clearly flawed

Also mark me down as not one who cares about Snoke. It's weird that they made him out to be something that could have been interesting but basically threw him away. I'm a little curious how he could be so powerful yet defeated so easily.

[mu03eng]

Minor complaints:
1. Mary Poppins Leia, dumb dumb dumb. Why is she alive? I feel like there's either some CGI Leia coming in 9 that's necessary (Rey's mom) or there's going to be a large time jump and she's going to pass during.

2. R2 and Luke reunion was hot garbage. Poe molested BB8 everytime their apart, but Luke and R2 are less than excited? Luke lectures R2 on language? R2 has always been the wiser one. R2 was literally in a coma when Luke went missing, but whatever in TLJ. Also, where was R2 at the end?

3. Phasma totally got Fett'd. Awesome armour gets no story, no presence.

Agreed on all counts. I'm final with limiting 3PO's role, but they wildly under used R2 in TFA and TLJ

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I'll have to watch again but are we sure that Ren was telling the truth, or at least not telling the truth from a certain point of view? If he was, when you combine it with this legend talk and the kid at the end with force powers, I wonder if they are setting up this narrative that democratizes the force that anyone can be special and the de-emphizing of the Skywalker line because they are clearly flawed

Oh no, we're not sure at all. I hope it's still out there because I'm a drooling idiot Skywalker fanboy.

However, the 'everyone has the Force' narrative would destroy the franchise. The original trilogy is about those who are powerful with the Force. I could however get on board with finding all the people that are Force sensitive like the narrative before the Clone Wars.

[mu03eng]

5. Chewbacca has a moral issue with eating Porgs? He's a goddamn Wookie, unnatural carnal knowledge Porgs. Chewy with some badass flying, but another original character that continues to get marginalized.

6. Speaking of original characters, Admiral Ackbar gets smoked with no fanfare? A brief mention? Get out of here. After Ackbar dies, the Resistance literally keeps falling into traps. Instead of purple hair Jurassic Park lady lightspeed attacking, let Ackbar go out with that glory, which brings me to...

I get why a lot of OT characters are marginalized (RIP Carrie, but the actors are literally dying) but characters like Ackbar, Chewie, R2, etc can almost live forever within the Star Wars universe. I guess they had to kill Ackbar to pave the way for Hondo to conflict with Poe to advance Poe's character but I still hate killing him off....have him somewhere else in the galaxy for god sake.

Also, why is Chewie taking orders from Rey, she has what experience that Chewie would be like "ya know, I've been in hundreds of scraps and fights but ya know what this kid is a tactical genius" Also how does everyone all know Shyriiwook all of a sudden???

Lastly, at what point can they stop creating new aliens and reuse some of the classic ones? How has it been at least 6 movies since we've seen another Wolfman or Hammerhead??

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I get why a lot of OT characters are marginalized (RIP Carrie, but the actors are literally dying) but characters like Ackbar, Chewie, R2, etc can almost live forever within the Star Wars universe. I guess they had to kill Ackbar to pave the way for Hondo to conflict with Poe to advance Poe's character but I still hate killing him off....have him somewhere else in the galaxy for god sake.

Also, why is Chewie taking orders from Rey, she has what experience that Chewie would be like "ya know, I've been in hundreds of scraps and fights but ya know what this kid is a tactical genius" Also how does everyone all know Shyriiwook all of a sudden???

Lastly, at what point can they stop creating new aliens and reuse some of the classic ones? How has it been at least 6 movies since we've seen another Wolfman or Hammerhead??

Yeah, that Rey/Chewie thing didn't get me during the movie but now that you bring it up, that's irritating.

Another note I forgot, Benicio Del Toro's DJ was a great character. I want more of him.

[mu03eng]

Oh no, we're not sure at all. I hope it's still out there because I'm a drooling idiot Skywalker fanboy.

However, the 'everyone has the Force' narrative would destroy the franchise. The original trilogy is about those who are powerful with the Force. I could however get on board with finding all the people that are Force sensitive like the narrative before the Clone Wars.

#I'mwithSkywalker

Maybe I should rephrase a little bit....i think they are going with a narrative that you have to be your own hero, you can't count on special people all the time.

I do suspect that IX will advance a number of years and Kylo and Rey will have built opposing force armies and if so I'm very down for that. Only issue I have is Kylo is now irredeemable so the Skywalker lineage is dead after IX

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#I'mwithSkywalker

Maybe I should rephrase a little bit....i think they are going with a narrative that you have to be your own hero, you can't count on special people all the time.

I do suspect that IX will advance a number of years and Kylo and Rey will have built opposing force armies and if so I'm very down for that. Only issue I have is Kylo is now irredeemable so the Skywalker lineage is dead after IX

Be your own hero makes sense. I can get behind that and it opens up the SWCU for Disney. I think Poe having a big role is part of that potentially.

Maybe Kylo and the Knights of Ren (BTW, where were they?) are out slaying all the different races both violently and sexually? 

I don't think Snoke facilitated the Rey/Kylo connection as they connected after he was murdered. Snoke knew they were communicating and claimed it. I think they will ultimately be siblings still...we didn't know about Luke/Leia until ROTJ.

Also, the new trilogy has been setting up the female narratives. Leia is more powerful than Luke, Rey is more powerful than Ben...

[mu03eng]

Another observation, while this did have a lot of Empire call backs they were A) very well done (see Leia/Kylo mirror Vader/Luke call and response) and were mixed in with a lot of RotJ call backs....makes me think IX will escape a lot of the retread of previous story arcs and be largely original.

Also did anyone else catch all the binary references at the end of the movie, both visual and audio?

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Another observation, while this did have a lot of Empire call backs they were A) very well done (see Leia/Kylo mirror Vader/Luke call and response) and were mixed in with a lot of RotJ call backs....makes me think IX will

Another observation, while this did have a lot of Empire call backs they were A) very well done (see Leia/Kylo mirror Vader/Luke call and response) and were mixed in with a lot of RotJ call backs....makes me think IX will escape a lot of the retread of previous story arcs and be largely original.

Also did anyone else catch all the binary references at the end of the movie, both visual and audio?

Also did anyone else catch all the binary references at the end of the movie, both visual and audio?

So no Ewoks then?

You referring to the dual sun's? And the force kid staring at the stars?

We're nerds.

[mu03eng]

Be your own hero makes sense. I can get behind that and it opens up the SWCU for Disney. I think Poe having a big role is part of that potentially.

Maybe Kylo and the Knights of Ren (BTW, where were they?) are out slaying all the different races both violently and sexually? 

I don't think Snoke facilitated the Rey/Kylo connection as they connected after he was murdered. Snoke knew they were communicating and claimed it. I think they will ultimately be siblings still...we didn't know about Luke/Leia until ROTJ.

Also, the new trilogy has been setting up the female narratives. Leia is more powerful than Luke, Rey is more powerful than Ben...

Makes sense and I really like the idea of Snoke being the bad guy version of a certain point of view.

Rey as more powerful then Ben I buy, but Leia more powerful than Luke? Dude astral projected himself across the galaxy and fought his own nephew while convincing everybody but his own sister(and maybe even her) that he was actually there. Leia force pulled herself 100 yards through space....not the same level

[mu03eng]

Also did anyone else catch all the binary references at the end of the movie, both visual and audio?


So no Ewoks then?

You referring to the dual sun's? And the force kid staring at the stars?

We're nerds.

Porgs = Ewoks

Yes the twin suns and then there were two stars more promenint in the night sky then the rest of the star field.

And I thought entry into this thread was guarded by some sort of nerd sensing device???

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Makes sense and I really like the idea of Snoke being the bad guy version of a certain point of view.

Rey as more powerful then Ben I buy, but Leia more powerful than Luke? Dude astral projected himself across the galaxy and fought his own nephew while convincing everybody but his own sister(and maybe even her) that he was actually there. Leia force pulled herself 100 yards through space....not the same level

Yeah, but she was dead! If she was dead, that's more impressive.

Also, Leia's been dealing with crap. Resistance, dead husband, pretty boy son. Luke's been chilling on a mountain chugging green milk and brushing up on things.

[mu03eng]

Yeah, but she was dead! If she was dead, that's more impressive.

Also, Leia's been dealing with crap. Resistance, dead husband, pretty boy son. Luke's been chilling on a mountain chugging green milk and brushing up on things.

Eh, you can survive in the vacuum of space for a minute or two so I'm not sure she was actually dead. I think she's a stronger person(also she had a lot more non-force training than Luke) but he's more powerful in the force in my opinion.

Would have liked to seen Leia throw down lightsaber style tho

[chapman]

The set-up and speculation around Snoke, Rey, and to a lesser degree, Phasma amounting to nothing.  To pick one, I actually thought it was great that Snoke was killed.  Probably the most unexpected thing, and opens up so much more while making everything less predictable going forward.  But not giving anything on who he is before killing him off is difficult to accept.  The Empire was reduced to nothing, yet this dark side force user who seems old enough to have been around since Episode 1 comes and essentially re-conquers the entire galaxy, builds a new Death Star equivalent, and gets the strongest force user of the next generation as his apprentice. 


I feel like we're going to need something along the lines of "A Phantom Edit" to remove almost all of the casino world sequence.  Actually, they could probably remove the Rose character entirely.  The Benicio Del Toro character didn't do anything for me either.


Where TFA and the prequels didn't age well, this one will get better with time (and episode 9). 

[mu03eng]

The set-up and speculation around Snoke, Rey, and to a lesser degree, Phasma amounting to nothing.  To pick one, I actually thought it was great that Snoke was killed.  Probably the most unexpected thing, and opens up so much more while making everything less predictable going forward.  But not giving anything on who he is before killing him off is difficult to accept.  The Empire was reduced to nothing, yet this dark side force user who seems old enough to have been around since Episode 1 comes and essentially re-conquers the entire galaxy, builds a new Death Star equivalent, and gets the strongest force user of the next generation as his apprentice. 


I feel like we're going to need something along the lines of "A Phantom Edit" to remove almost all of the casino world sequence.  Actually, they could probably remove the Rose character entirely.  The Benicio Del Toro character didn't do anything for me either.


Where TFA and the prequels didn't age well, this one will get better with time (and episode 9).

See, I liked DJ. Thought they did a good job of keeping us guessing as to what side he was on.

[Galway Eagle]

Porgs > Ewoks

Wayyyy overrated.

Liked the surprise of the killing of snoke and hope that he comes back (if he is Darth Palagius) and that settles that mystery.

That random kid at the end better have some role in the next one.

You can’t have a story like Rey’s parents be set up as a big mystery then just swipe it aside like they did, hope it’s not be the final answer.

Liked the Yoda appearance but would’ve preferred Obi Wan (even if it was young obi wan)

[Benny B]

Just walked out of the theatre and I’m deliberately making my family wait so I can post this:

Disappointed.

I’ll elaborate later.

[Benny B]

Ok that wasn’t fair. 

LJ was a good movie.  I’m disappointed because I wasn’t expecting a good movie.   I was expecting a traditional sci-fi, THX, CGI, action movie - maybe with a little darkness to it (not a force reference, no pun intended) - whose best hope for an Oscar nomination would be a technical award.  Not some well-written, character developing artistic piece that excites even the elitist snobbish critics.

Guess I should have seen that coming. 

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Finally saw it today.  I'll post more when I let my thoughts settle.  Quick version: Good, not great. Too long.  I was expecting more back story and didn't get it.  I did like the struggle to get Luke to act.  Force ghost Yoda was one of my favorite parts.

OT>ST>PT

[SaveOD238]

Here's my big issue with it.

The Force Awakens set up the trilogy to answer two major questions:
1. What is Rey's lineage?
2. Who is Snoke?

The Last Jedi answered those deliberately setup questions with:
1. It doesn't matter
2. It doesn't matter

So it was “Lost”?  As someone who loved the ending of Lost because I cared more about the characters and less about all of the mysteries I guess I don’t really care who Rey’s folks were or where Snoke came from.  Sure, it would be nice to know the “answers” but I’d rather feel out the story.

The Rey-Luke-Ben arc in this movie was pretty stupendous, I thought, but the Leia-Poe-Rose-Finn story line felt wasted.  I’m looking forward to seeing the whole new crew (Rey Finn Poe and I guess Rose) together for once in IX.