Attacks in France

[jesmu84]

Horrific.

French President closing their borders.

[martyconlonontherun]

It's only a matter of time until there is a true war on ISIS. They have now attacked American, French, and Russians in their attacks. I don't see how they can be ignored much longer as they have no desire to sit peacefully in their own state.

[GGGG]

It's only a matter of time until there is a true war on ISIS. They have now attacked American, French, and Russians in their attacks. I don't see how they can be ignored much longer as they have no desire to sit peacefully in their own state.

While you are likely correct, there is no indication yet that this is linked to ISIS.

[martyconlonontherun]

CNN mentioned that there is some report that ISIS was taking credit but they couldn't verify it. At the very least, all signs are pointing to some extremist islamic group. If ISIS wasn't directly involved, they still help spread this type of culture.

[tower912]

While you are likely correct, there is no indication yet that this is linked to ISIS.

Yet.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

It's only a matter of time until there is a true war on ISIS. They have now attacked American, French, and Russians in their attacks. I don't see how they can be ignored much longer as they have no desire to sit peacefully in their own state.

Yup, they've pissed off some pretty powerful people. If it is indeed ISIS and Russia and the US put aside their differences, they won't last long. They're one attack on the UK away from really getting every major power against them.

[GGGG]

Remember that ISIS wasn't ultimately responsible for the Hebdo shootings.  The brothers trained with Al Qaeda in Yemen.

[4everwarriors]

These nomad attacks will take place here again.

[Hards Alumni]

Yup, they've pissed off some pretty powerful people. If it is indeed ISIS and Russia and the US put aside their differences, they won't last long. They're one attack on the UK away from really getting every major power against them.

It's what they want.

[source?]

Death toll currently at 118 and expected to rise significantly. Horrific.

[GooooMarquette]

Now reports of 149 dead.  Horrible tragedy.

[JWags85]

The driveby shooting and bombs by the Stade de France were disturbing, but the concert hostage killing is what is truly horrifying and terrifying.  If half of what was posted on social media by people inside, it is an absolute nightmare.

[GooooMarquette]

Death toll up to 153 per CNN.  Yes, the concert hall shooting sounds like it was terrifying.

[Tugg Speedman]

It's only a matter of time until there is a true war on ISIS. They have now attacked American, French, and Russians in their attacks. I don't see how they can be ignored much longer as they have no desire to sit peacefully in their own state.

They do want to sit peacefully in their own state.  They believe their own state is the entire planet.  They want to rid the world of infidels (non-Muslim) and are attempting the first step, a world wide religious war.

[ChicosBailBonds]

These nomad attacks will take place here again.

Unfortunately, you are correct.

[brandx]

If this is ISIS, it calls for a overwhelming, catastrophic response - much as I hate to say it.

We know what cities they are based in. Those towns need to be wiped off the map. Men, women, children, pets, every living thing.

And make it clear that the same response will occur if there is another attack outside of their own country.

[Lennys Tap]

If this is ISIS, it calls for a overwhelming, catastrophic response - much as I hate to say it.

Does it really matter if they call themselves ISIS, Al-Quada or something else? If the goal is to wipe out only whichever Islamic terrorist group is responsible for this particular attack it will just be another ineffective whack-a-mole operation. We have to acknowledge that we're at war with Islamic Extremists wherever they are and whatever they call themselves. Either declare war and do whatever it takes to win it or accept this as something we'll live with as part of our new normal. Anything in between wastes time, money and lives but accomplishes next to nothing.

[keefe]

Does it really matter if they call themselves ISIS, Al-Quada or something else? If the goal is to wipe out only whichever Islamic terrorist group is responsible for this particular attack it will just be another ineffective whack-a-mole operation. We have to acknowledge that we're at war with Islamic Extremists wherever they are and whatever they call themselves. Either declare war and do whatever it takes to win it or accept this as something we'll live with as part of our new normal. Anything in between wastes time, money and lives but accomplishes next to nothing.

I was criticized in the past by a few here for "embellishing" the viciousness of Islamic Extremists. Since then we have had ISIS broadcasting the beheading of captive infidels (including a Marquette alum) or merely burning to death or drowning people. In just the past two weeks we have multiple examples of mass murder by these people.

Americans need to know that there is a real war out there being fought over basic principles and ideas. There are people who despise us and our way of life and who will stop at nothing to destroy us.

While it is deemed by some to be impolite to use the term Radical Islamic Terrorists the reality is that these people would sooner slit an American's throat than have tea and figs together.

It is important to note, however, that the vast majority of people in North Africa and the Middle East are far more concerned about basic survival issues than they ever will be about spreading the faith or fighting jihad.

But those who have politicized their religion are very dangerous and they are not open to negotiation or compromise. What happened in Paris is indicative of their bargaining skills.

[Tugg Speedman]

French President Hollande said it was an organized attack by ISIS and France will respond in kind.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/14/world/paris-attacks/index.html?sr=twnewday111415paris-attacks1124AMVODtopVideo&linkId=18753399

This is exactly what ISIS wants, a Christian/Muslim war.  Are we ready for this?

[mu_hilltopper]

Morbidly, I'm surprised this kind of attack isn't commonplace.  A few guys with guns and lots of ammo.  The suicide vests are hard to source, sure, but frankly unnecessary.   Walk into a theater, arena, mall or school with lots of victims.  Very little planning and resources necessary.  Just need the jihadis and a few hundred bucks.

Utter chaos and doom.

[GooooMarquette]

French President Hollande said it was an organized attack by ISIS and France will respond in kind.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/14/world/paris-attacks/index.html?sr=twnewday111415paris-attacks1124AMVODtopVideo&linkId=18753399

This is exactly what ISIS wants, a Christian/Muslim war.  Are we ready for this?

Are we ready for the alternative...Paris over and over?

[Stronghold]

Yup, they've pissed off some pretty powerful people. If it is indeed ISIS and Russia and the US put aside their differences, they won't last long. They're one attack on the UK away from really getting every major power against them.

I really hope they piss off the Chinese too.  It's a good sign that the Chinese president condemned the attacks last night in offering his support to France. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/world/europe/isis-claims-responsibility-for-paris-attacks-calling-them-miracles.html?_r=0

[brandx]

Does it really matter if they call themselves ISIS, Al-Quada or something else? If the goal is to wipe out only whichever Islamic terrorist group is responsible for this particular attack it will just be another ineffective whack-a-mole operation. We have to acknowledge that we're at war with Islamic Extremists wherever they are and whatever they call themselves. Either declare war and do whatever it takes to win it or accept this as something we'll live with as part of our new normal. Anything in between wastes time, money and lives but accomplishes next to nothing.

I disagree. It won't be whack-a mole if it is devastating and overwhelming. The Japanese vowed to fight to the last person standing on their homeland in WW2. The 2 devastating attacks changed their thinking completely.

Remember, I am not talking a GWB action here. I am talking utter destruction of ISIS villages (and every one in them) where they have their headquarters. Scorched earth policy in any area where they reside.

There is no "war" to be fought. These are small pockets of people in many different countries. Unless you are advocating a new world war.

[mu_hilltopper]

Our esteemed sheriff weighing in:
https://twitter.com/SheriffClarke/status/665373128386846720

David A. Clarke, Jr. ‏@SheriffClarke  13h13 hours ago
If GOP plays this politically smart they can end any chance that the Dems win the WH in 2016.  War is politics carried on by other means.