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Of all the MU transfer/exits last year who could have stayed, who do you wish was still on THIS team?

Dawson
13 (6.4%)
DJ
16 (7.9%)
Theo
18 (8.9%)
Koby
4 (2%)
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70 (34.5%)
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82 (40.4%)

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Author Topic: Which piece would you take back?  (Read 5182 times)

MuggsyB

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2022, 08:47:56 AM »
Cain would be the only one but if O-Max is a better fit.....especially if he plays like he did last night.  He's got a very high ceiling once he puts it all together.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2022, 08:52:27 AM »
Would have never guessed that this would be the answer if you asked me before the season, but as the results show I agree that it’s Jamal.

That would likely mean an Emarion redshirt year but for the sake of this seasons team I think Jamal would certainly improve this squad. We would likely see less of OMax, but again that would be worth it for this season imo.

It would also be fun as heck to have the Detroit fellas together for Shakas resurrection of the program, they’ve been great student athletes and seem to improve the attitude of those around them.

Of course that’s nothing against the current guys here- as a matter of fact it’s a testament to those guys that this deep into the season a lot of people wouldn’t take any of the former players back

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2022, 08:52:56 AM »
Theo doesn't fall over against Nate Robinson at the end of the PC game.

The image of Theo boxing out Nate Robinson is an amusing one
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2022, 08:58:40 AM »
Athletically, I continue think DJ would have been awesome in this system offensively and there'd be a highlight reel of his dunks alone. However, my impression is he wouldn't have fit the culture and defensive intensity required to play in Shaka's system. He seemed fired up when Shaka was named and then gradually became quiet before he announced he was going pro. I don't think he was ready to buy into the system. So not DJ.

Dawson had 2 chances to buy into Shaka's system, both as a prospective Texas recruit and as a returning Soph at MU. He passed both times. His 3-point shooting ability might have been nice, particularly early in the season when the team was struggling, but they have corrected that. He doesn't have the speed to play this system of defense either. His rebounding would fill a deficiency, but if he can't play this defense he wouldn't be on the court enough for it to matter. So not Dawson.

MU's defense switches everything. Much as I am a fan of Theo, we saw in the past what happens when Theo gets switched on the parameter. He also is no better a rebounder than our current 5's, so no help there. So not Theo.

Koby? I appreciated his intensity and effort, but his travels and other turnovers drove me nuts. I can't see anything he does being better than what is already currently on the roster. So not Koby.

Jamal would have been a great culture fit IMO. The one solid thing he could have brought to the team is his rebounding; the guy can board. But, he had issues anytime he had to dribble, and he wasn't great defensively. Maybe Shaka could have coached him up on defense and put him in situations where he could succeed offensively, but if he is the player we saw, not Jamal.

So no one. But if I was forced to choose one, Jamal for his rebounding and team fit.
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2022, 09:03:07 AM »
If you assume that the player would buy in, not scare away any of the new guys we got,  not detract from team chemistry, and not significantly limit the development of the current roster.... then it's DJ Carton hands down. He had the skillset to rampage in this system.

Given that you can't make all those assumptions,  no one.
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2022, 09:06:55 AM »
The image of Theo boxing out Nate Robinson is an amusing one

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2022, 09:07:50 AM »
If you assume that the player would buy in, not scare away any of the new guys we got,  not detract from team chemistry, and not significantly limit the development of the current roster.... then it's DJ Carton hands down. He had the skillset to rampage in this system.

Given that you can't make all those assumptions,  no one.
100% agree, DJ would be a monster. The "If" is why he is not here, though, IMO.
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2022, 09:16:23 AM »
I voted "none". It was very tempting to choose DJ and we were all surprised when he went from really excited about playing for Shaka to going pro. I think there was far more to his decision than we will ever know and that he had conversations with Shaka that made it clear that despite DJ's phenomenal abilities, it simply was not going to work out.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2022, 09:18:27 AM »
100% agree, DJ would be a monster. The "If" is why he is not here, though, IMO.

Has he been hurt this year? 9 games with only 3 starts for the Swarm?

I mean no one predicted this, but you have to think featuring on this MU team would've done far more for his long term NBA prospects than what he's doing in Greensboro.
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2022, 09:33:40 AM »
Yeah - I mean I wonder if Jamal and Koby are happy to be the BMOC on a team that might get auto 13 seed bid and lose in the first round, or if they'd rather be a key piece on a team with legit 2nd weekend ambitions. Of course at the time they left it made sense.

With all the unknowns, they made a good choice and I'm sure they're happy.  They are on winning teams that have great shots at making the tourney, having excellent individual years which can only help their exposure for the next level, which is as important as anything for their careers.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2022, 09:43:28 AM »
not a one

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2022, 09:46:52 AM »
Has he been hurt this year? 9 games with only 3 starts for the Swarm?

I mean no one predicted this, but you have to think featuring on this MU team would've done far more for his long term NBA prospects than what he's doing in Greensboro.
Yeah, IF he bought into what Shaka was selling. We all saw that last year, when he turned up the intensity, he could be dominant. Really, really dominant. Problem was, he typically brought that 25% of the game. If Shaka could have gotten that out of him 75%-90% of the time, he is a lottery pick IMO.

But DJ went from all-in on the Shaka hire to cashing out so I don't think he could/wanted to do what was going to be required. Maybe he would have gone pro no matter who the coach was, but I think he missed a huge opportunity to play one more year and secure an eight-figure pro contract.
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2022, 10:12:41 AM »
For this year's team, I'd have taken DJ first, Cain a distant second.

But either would have given us only one year, and I like that we'll have Kolek, Kam, Prosper, Joplin, etc, for multiple years. They are learning, improving AND helping us win.

So, looking at the macro picture, I'd take nobody.
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2022, 10:46:39 AM »
Any of those guys would be useful, but I'd pick DJ.  Kids a player.  He would have fit well on this team.
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2022, 03:35:41 PM »
I am extremely happy with the 2021-2022 MU men’s basketball team.

Clean slates can be good. Clean slates are the way to build your own culture and team. The thing I'm most impressed with is that Shaka let the guys make their mistakes and play through and learn from them rather than yank them and sit them on the bench. He instills confidence, something sadly Wojo lacked. While they struggled early the team now knows they can score and that defense is the key; lets hope our rebounding improve accordingly. I don't think the wheels are going to fall off this team as we close the season.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2022, 05:23:36 PM »
A friend and I were talking about this before the game last night. Hands down, Jamal. He is an elite rebounder and that is what this team needs. OMax has definitely had his moments, but with Jamal in this lineup, it is easily a top 15 team.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2022, 05:38:29 PM »
I'll take Omax over Cain seven days a week. His upside is extremely high and he has long career ahead of him at MU.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2022, 05:39:29 PM »
Dawson in a heartbeat.
Need length next year.  Also his 3 pt shooting adds another weapon on offense.
Greg, Oso, Justin, Stevie and Kam all took to Shaka's defense.  I don't think Dawson would have much problem either.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2022, 06:08:27 PM »
I'll take Omax over Cain seven days a week. His upside is extremely high and he has long career ahead of him at MU.

I am in agreement with you here, Goose. O-Max is going to surprise a lot of people when it all starts to click.
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2022, 06:14:17 PM »
I'll take Omax over Cain seven days a week. His upside is extremely high and he has long career ahead of him at MU.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2022, 07:45:41 PM »
I'll take Omax over Cain seven days a week. His upside is extremely high and he has long career ahead of him at MU.
Agreed. While Cain's rebounding would be a positive, OMax's defense is head and shoulders better. Does anyone think Jamal could have hounded Gillespie the way OMax did?
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2022, 07:48:13 PM »
None, Shaka is well capable of building his own team. Don't miss any of 'em, hey?
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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2022, 09:16:36 PM »
Based on what I saw of them here and what I’ve seen of this team? None of the above, and it’s easy. If you want to argue that they would be completely different players under Shaka than what we saw before I guess I’d listen.

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Re: Which piece would you take back?
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2022, 07:56:58 AM »
Perhaps, for the long term, Aidoo.

 

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