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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 11, 2010, 04:23:07 PM
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3:18 PM, CST, it begins. Did anyone notice midway through the second half when the ESPN crew started down the path of with all that Buzz has accomplished on the floor and the way he is off the floor other programs are going to come sniffing? Fran kind of pooh-poohed it, saying that MU takes care of good ones. So let the games begin. I hope all the interested teams go through gumbyandpokey. He will give them the REAL dope on Williams and nobody else will take him.
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Buzz probably won't be a highly sought after coach due to his teams not practicing free throws, and the fact he doesn't foul when ahead by 3 with 15 seconds left in the game with the other team bringing the ball up.
We should be safe for awhile, until he repents his ways.
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I heard this on the broadcast. I'm thankful we are playing well enough to warrant this type of speculation!
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I'll be here as long as they let me.
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Damm! And the second year not yet over! I think that Buzz will hang in there at least as long as Crean. He is, I think a loyal guy. As I remember, Crean moving on happened right around the time that the annual chatter about him moving on had started to die down. If you have to be tempted by a program like Indiana to move on, MU must have some allure.
Also, when people speculate about coaches leaving MU, I don't think they know the situation in any real depth. Do they know that MU has a great new on campus facility? Do they know MU is THE largest spender on its basketball program in the Big East? Do they know about the Nike deal? They probably only think about the "cold weather" city talk, but with global warming coming on, we may have that licked soon.
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plus i'd rather spend my days in milwaukee over places like bloomington and storrs.
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Doubtful this year, unless we win 2-3 in the dance and really make a splash.
Look .. the universe of programs significantly better than MU isn't that huge.
Truth is, many will STILL look at Buzz as a guy who took Crean's players last year and didn't screw up. This year, while we've fantastically beaten expectations .. how many of the ~15 major step-up programs are really going to take a flyer on one very solid year of his own, and make him one of the ~10 most highly paid coaches in order to grab him?
Not worried for another year or two of success.
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I truely believe Buzz thinks he can build Marquette into what Jay Wright has built Villanova into. What doesn't he not have at MU? You win enough big games like today and you'll get plenty of national respect and attention.
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Realistically, marquette is a B+ basketball school. And college bball aint harvard, there arent many A's out there.
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plus i'd rather spend my days in milwaukee over places like bloomington and storrs.
+1
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I thought the comment was a little premature. I don't think he is going anywhere for a while. He has the chance to build something special at MU and it seems like he wants that. While I don't think he is a 30 year coach at MU, I think he has some work to do here. Does MU give him a 10 year extension for huge money? ;)
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Buzz probably won't be a highly sought after coach due to his teams not practicing free throws, and the fact he doesn't foul when ahead by 3 with 15 seconds left in the game with the other team bringing the ball up.
We should be safe for awhile, until he repents his ways.
That's funny!
Plus, potential suitors know he's on a 3-4 year "probation" period... lol.
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I truely believe Buzz thinks he can build Marquette into what Jay Wright has built Villanova into. What doesn't he not have at MU? You win enough big games like today and you'll get plenty of national respect and attention.
Philadelphia is a little bit easier to recruit to than Milwaukee.
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Philadelphia is a little bit easier to recruit to than Milwaukee.
Well, maybe Buzz will have to work just a little bit harder than Jay Wright then.
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Also, when people speculate about coaches leaving MU, I don't think they know the situation in any real depth. Do they know that MU has a great new on campus facility? Do they know MU is THE largest spender on its basketball program in the Big East? Do they know about the Nike deal? They probably only think about the "cold weather" city talk, but with global warming coming on, we may have that licked soon.
The people that were speculating about this during the game for sure do know this.
Like i said in the game day chat thread after i heard this. I dont know how many years Buzz signed on for, but i have to believe that Buzz likes his situation. He is nto going to bite the hand that fed him his opportunity. I think when his initial contract is up, Buzz negotiates a payday... still at Marquette. The next contract i would think would be 6-8 maybe 10 years. depending on how he does after that... Buzz may move up the coaching ladder. But for the mean time, Buzz is staying put. He's to classy a guy to leave after 2 years. that is until the Indiana job opens up. It's Indiana, it's Indiana.
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Buzz has always said that he wants to stay at Marquette until the end of his career, and i think his exact quote was "I will be here until they don't want me anymore"
I dont expect him to go anywhere for a while (knock on wood)
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The people that were speculating about this during the game for sure do know this.
Like i said in the game day chat thread after i heard this. I dont know how many years Buzz signed on for, but i have to believe that Buzz likes his situation. He is nto going to bite the hand that fed him his opportunity. I think when his initial contract is up, Buzz negotiates a payday... still at Marquette. The next contract i would think would be 6-8 maybe 10 years. depending on how he does after that... Buzz may move up the coaching ladder. But for the mean time, Buzz is staying put. He's to classy a guy to leave after 2 years. that is until the Indiana job opens up. It's Indiana, it's Indiana.
Careful, he left after just 1 year at another school. No one is in his head and the fans of every team in the country all say the same thing "why would he leave here for {fill in city and school}" It happens all the time and has nothing to do with class or anything else.
It's about comfort, lifestyle, opportunity, etc. He could be here 20 years (I hope that's the case as it would mean MU is rolling). Or he could be gone in 3 weeks. I'd be careful to link class with any of it because a person is going to do what he's going to do, to better his lot in life for his family, and himself. That's what he did in New Orleans (yes, many circumstances involved, but that's my point, we just don't know what is out there).
I think Hilltopper is also correct. How many MAJOR big time jobs are open this year? Not many. Maybe UCONN. Very unlikely a school like that takes a coach that hasn't coached one full cycle yet (his players, no players inherited, etc).
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Buzz to DePaul ( I had to be first at something).
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I would only worry about Texas since that is home... Texas Tech and A&M would be a step down. Texas would be a perennial giant with him over Barnes. Hopefully Barnes can keep recruiting burger boys and doesn't screw up.
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Careful, he left after just 1 year at another school.
With all that we know now about the UNO situation, without a doubt Buzz made the right call. Even if he didn't get the MU job and followed Crean to IU as an assistant, Buzz made the right call.
Not disagreeing with the theme of your post Chicos, but you can't fault Buzz for leaving UNO or use it as an indicator of future behavior.
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Buzz to Indiana.
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Maybe class was the wrong word to use.
He left a head coaching position at a Sun Belt Conference school to become the assitant at a Big East school.
If MU came to my office and offered me an assistant to the assistant coach I would take it. If i were to move up to head coach some random, overnight way and my first two years were what Buzz's have been, I dont leave for the first opportunity i am presented. I think you need to stay put and say thank you to the University that gave you your chance.
All i am trying to say is that he found himself in a great position and, If i were him, I wouldnt be too quick to get out of there. Your right though... he only leaves MU for a better, more prestigious university. And as you said,
How many MAJOR big time jobs are open this year? Not many. Maybe UCONN. Very unlikely a school like that takes a coach that hasn't coached one full cycle yet (his players, no players inherited, etc).
Buzz is here and ain't going nowhere, unless a top tier school comes around and offers him a shocking offer; the same shocking offer we gave him almost two years ago.
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All i am trying to say is that he found himself in a great position and, If i were him, I wouldnt be too quick to get out of there.
To be fair, he worked himself into a great position, and got a little luck with Crean leaving. However, I see no reason why he wouldn't keep working hard at MU if they continue to work hard to support him and the basketball/athletics programs.
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All it may take is one bad winter for him to miss the SW... :-\
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The people that were speculating about this during the game for sure do know this.
Like i said in the game day chat thread after i heard this. I dont know how many years Buzz signed on for, but i have to believe that Buzz likes his situation. He is nto going to bite the hand that fed him his opportunity. I think when his initial contract is up, Buzz negotiates a payday... still at Marquette. The next contract i would think would be 6-8 maybe 10 years. depending on how he does after that... Buzz may move up the coaching ladder. But for the mean time, Buzz is staying put. He's to classy a guy to leave after 2 years. that is until the Indiana job opens up. It's Indiana, it's Indiana.
I totally reject your point that the TV analysts doing the game know what's happening in Milwaukee with regard to global warming!
I believe that your statement: "He's to classy a guy to leave after 2 years", is right on target. Coaching college B-ball is tough enough on a person and that person's family without moving on with each opportunity. Getting these mentions are bittersweet; its great to know that Buzz's success is getting noticed, but you know its going to start being brought up by other schools in negative recruiting.
Finally, in regard to Indiana: might you perhaps be privy to some unexpected breaking news? ;)
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Coaches move for two main reasons. 1) Money, which should not be a problem at MU and 2) recruiting. I think Buzz knows he can recruit at MU. Crean was having trouble, but he will find out at Indiana that the trouble was him and not MU. Given that I believe Buzz when he says MU and him have the same values. I do think it is time for MU to come up with a new contract. The only thying that worries me is Fr. Wild retiring. Cincy gets a new president and they fire Huggins. Indiana gets a new president and they fire Knight. Sure those coaches had some baggage, but you cannot ever discount the effect of a new president at the school.
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those two coaches had quite a few things about them worth questioning. I can't imagine what type of problem someone could have with buzz williams.
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Shows a lot of respect already assembled for Buzz, which is pretty difficult to do in less than two years. Kudos to them!
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Contracts don't mean stink. But, Buzz ain't goin' nowhere fast this year.
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plus i'd rather spend my days in milwaukee over places like bloomington and storrs.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/jerker76/happyclap.jpg)
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I love the job Buzz has done but let's remember that three of his key players (Zar/MO/Cuby) are all Tom Crean recruits (just stating the facts!). As an alum I hope like hell MU's stock keeps rising but there is no guarantee it will. When Junior Cadougan's senior year comes around we will have a true sense of Buzz's abilities. For now... let's ring out ahoya and keep the run going!
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. Crean was having trouble, but he will find out at Indiana that the trouble was him and not MU.
Pretty sure he's already figured that out. He's clueless when it comes to offering the young guys.
2010 - 3 star SG Victor Oladipo(MD), 3 star SG Will Sheehey(FL)
2011 - 3 star SG Matt Carlino (IN), 4 star SF Austin Etherington(IN)
Indiana missed out on the top 3 in-state kids. Purdue, OSU, and MSU stole them
There are 6 top 50 kids from Indiana in 11' and Indiana will be lucky to land one of them(Zeller)
I thought a school like Indiana recruited itself?
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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/jerker76/happyclap.jpg)
that is awesome
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With all that we know now about the UNO situation, without a doubt Buzz made the right call. Even if he didn't get the MU job and followed Crean to IU as an assistant, Buzz made the right call.
Not disagreeing with the theme of your post Chicos, but you can't fault Buzz for leaving UNO or use it as an indicator of future behavior.
I'm not disagreeing, though some of what happened at UNO came several years later. My point is some would argue the "classy" thing to do would have been to stick it out. I'm sure UNO fans would say that. Do I think Buzz Williams made the right call leaving UNO? Yes, I do. He bettered his lot in life, he bettered his family situation. To me, class has nothing to do with it and fans just get let down when coaches, players (in the pros) leave for other cities when they believe someone is loyal, classy, etc, would never leave.
It's almost never the case. If Buzz leaves, I would tip my hat to him and say thank you. I hope he doesn't, but I'm quite certain if he leaves it won't be because he became classless, it will be because of opportunity or comfort or something else.
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Pretty sure he's already figured that out. He's clueless when it comes to offering the young guys.
2010 - 3 star SG Victor Oladipo(MD), 3 star SG Will Sheehey(FL)
2011 - 3 star SG Matt Carlino (IN), 4 star SF Austin Etherington(IN)
Indiana missed out on the top 3 in-state kids. Purdue, OSU, and MSU stole them
There are 6 top 50 kids from Indiana in 11' and Indiana will be lucky to land one of them(Zeller)
I thought a school like Indiana recruited itself?
He'll have a few years to figure all that out. They won 4 conference games this year, only 1 last year. They are improving and that's what Fred Glass wants, improvement. Next year they should be around a NIT team and likely a finish around 7th or so.
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Haywood, Cubillan, and Acker may have come here during the Crean tenure, but, I 'm convinced he wouldn't have accomplished what Buzz has this season or last, nor would we still be playing tomorrow.
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Chicos - at this very moment - if you had the pick of Crean or Buzz to coach MU, who would you pick?
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Haywood, Cubillan, and Acker may have come here during the Crean tenure, but, I 'm convinced he wouldn't have accomplished what Buzz has this season or last, nor would we still be playing tomorrow.
I totally agree! I'm just curious to see how Buzz does molding his own team. My guess is he will ultimately succeed only if he can recruit some air craft carrier muscle to go with his long and lean recruits. I love everything he's accomplished so far! How sweet would it be to win the BET?!
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What is Buzz's current contract situation?
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+1
If location was all that mattered, DePaul would be one of the most sought after jobs in the country. Best city in the country and spilling over with recruits.
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Philadelphia is a little bit easier to recruit to than Milwaukee.
Please justify? Is Philadephia pulling in players from Texas and Chicago and Florida?
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I just hope Philly talent DJ Newbill is a keeper!
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Please justify? Is Philadephia pulling in players from Texas and Chicago and Florida?
No, but its got the whole east coast.
Plus the southern ties are Buzz's and aren't inherent to the program. That was the reason he got brought in as an assistant in the first place. Plus a lot of those guys are JUCOs, which is a whole different animal.
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He'll have a few years to figure all that out. They won 4 conference games this year, only 1 last year. They are improving and that's what Fred Glass wants, improvement. Next year they should be around a NIT team and likely a finish around 7th or so.
So, Tom Crean has reeled in 3-3 star recruits and 1, 4-star for 2010 and 2011?? With all that playing time he has available down there, plus IU being IU and the main state school in Indiana, you would think he would have landed more talent??
And Chicos to even mention Buzz leaving New Orleans after 1 year, and trying to draw a parallel to him leaving MU is ridiculously ludicrous. Come on, you're better than that. UNO is now a Division 3 men's basketball program, that at the time Buzz was coach couldn't fund meal money or practice facilities. Why would any coach commit coaching suicide in his first head coaching gig, with that little support?? Please stop trying to rain on every positive associated with Buzz. I don't care if you make statements like you "hope he sticks around," etc...it is pretty clear you have to caveat every single positive associated with Buzz, and it does get a little bit old.
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What is Buzz's current contract situation?
I don't recall how many years he signed for, maybe five? Regardless, it's already time to tear up that contract and give him a new one with a very big raise. Father Wild isn't checking out till June 2011, so hopefully that will get done soon.
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This is a man who cannot recognize the need to run his offense through superior talent. I will watch him lose every other game
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Chicos - at this very moment - if you had the pick of Crean or Buzz to coach MU, who would you pick?
Buzz, because he's the coach.
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If location was all that mattered, DePaul would be one of the most sought after jobs in the country. Best city in the country and spilling over with recruits.
Was this supposed to be in Teal? Especially the part about the best city in America? The International Olympic Committee doesn't agree with you.
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So, Tom Crean has reeled in 3-3 star recruits and 1, 4-star for 2010 and 2011?? With all that playing time he has available down there, plus IU being IU and the main state school in Indiana, you would think he would have landed more talent??
And Chicos to even mention Buzz leaving New Orleans after 1 year, and trying to draw a parallel to him leaving MU is ridiculously ludicrous. Come on, you're better than that. UNO is now a Division 3 men's basketball program, that at the time Buzz was coach couldn't fund meal money or practice facilities. Why would any coach commit coaching suicide in his first head coaching gig, with that little support?? Please stop trying to rain on every positive associated with Buzz. I don't care if you make statements like you "hope he sticks around," etc...it is pretty clear you have to caveat every single positive associated with Buzz, and it does get a little bit old.
I wasn't comparing the two. I said quite clearly that class has nothing to do with it, and that is correct. Besides, "class" is determined by those who feel the need to judge in that manner. Like I said, if Buzz leaves, I would not think it's classless. Some people would. At New Orleans, I'm sure (in fact we know based on their fans) that they felt it was classless. Again, I said him leaving New Orleans WAS NOT classless.
Really, you need to read more clearly, I don't know any other way of saying it. I realize the situations are different, but the thread was talking about class and coaches leaving. Class has nothing to do with it. A coach is going to leave or not leave to preserve his image or class. They could give a rip. It's about taking care of their family, their career, taking advantage of an opportunity, etc.
And you still do not understand what happened at IU so I don't know why you continue to go there. Total destruction and rebuilding of a program. I don't know why you keep coming back to an adage that doesn't work in that situation, but knock your socks off.
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Philadelphia is a little bit easier to recruit to than Milwaukee.
Have you ever been to Philly? what a train wreck of a city
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Never take a coach for granted. As good of a guy I think Buzz is, he wouldn't be the first to leave. His comments about saying here mean absolutely nothing. What is he suppose to say? "I like it here, but if I get big time offer I'm leaving"?
Just remember, not too long ago Crean bought a house in Theinesville and he was saying he was here for the next decade with his new contract.
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The thing that everyone is losing sight of.....another national talking head talking about one of our head coaches being sought after to go to a better job.
This is what drives me crazy and why the stepping stone imagery is too bad. MU lost so many coaches, so fast in the 80's and 90's, even after 9 years of the previous coach, this is the mentality.
That's one reason why I hope Williams is here for a LONG time. The same reason why I was glad Crean stayed so long.
This stepping stone image has got to be shaken or the perpetual cycle will continue for years to come.
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Was this supposed to be in Teal? Especially the part about the best city in America? The International Olympic Committee doesn't agree with you.
Did I miss the news where the Olympics were just granted to a city in the U.S.?
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The thing that everyone is losing sight of.....another national talking head talking about one of our head coaches being sought after to go to a better job.
This is what drives me crazy and why the stepping stone imagery is too bad. MU lost so many coaches, so fast in the 80's and 90's, even after 9 years of the previous coach, this is the mentality.
That's one reason why I hope Williams is here for a LONG time. The same reason why I was glad Crean stayed so long.
This stepping stone image has got to be shaken or the perpetual cycle will continue for years to come.
Agree 100%.... and it does'nt help recruiting if a player thinks the coach will be gone in a year or two. Hope Buzz realizes he has a great gig at one of the best programs in one of the best conferences in the country.
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The thing that everyone is losing sight of.....another national talking head talking about one of our head coaches being sought after to go to a better job.
This is what drives me crazy and why the stepping stone imagery is too bad. MU lost so many coaches, so fast in the 80's and 90's, even after 9 years of the previous coach, this is the mentality.
While I agree with the general direction of your post, I wouldn't agree that this is because we "lost so many coaches." MU has really only lost two coaches that they didn't force out the door. KO to Tennessee and TC to IU.
And to be honest, I think everyone can see why TC left. He's a B10 guy going to lead one of the top historic programs of college basketball. KO leaving stung, but that was a long time ago, and MU is in a much better place since then.
So IMO I think this takes care of itself. You know that MU will pony up the $$$ to keep Buzz. And unless Buzz and family just doesn't like Milwaukee, and would rather just be at a place like Texas Tech because it is "home," I really can't see him leaving to go just anywhere.
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And to be honest, I think everyone can see why TC left. He's a B10 guy going to lead one of the top historic programs of college basketball. KO leaving stung, but that was a long time ago, and MU is in a much better place since then.
This is right. After many years of speculation, it took one of the highest profile jobs out there to make Crean leave.
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The thing that everyone is losing sight of.....another national talking head talking about one of our head coaches being sought after to go to a better job.
This is what drives me crazy and why the stepping stone imagery is too bad. MU lost so many coaches, so fast in the 80's and 90's, even after 9 years of the previous coach, this is the mentality.
This drives me crazy. I remember back in 2003 when a national reporter asked Crean how if felt for a mid major to make it to the final four. We don't get respect. Milwaukee has always had an inferiority complex that the national media picks up on. Maybe from going back to losing the Braves or Kareem to the Lakers. It would be nice to finally break that image, maybe Marquette can get it done.
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Was this supposed to be in Teal? Especially the part about the best city in America? The International Olympic Committee doesn't agree with you.
Is Rio in America?
If the Olympic Committee is the deciding vote, then I guess Atlanta is one of our finest cities.
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Is Rio in America?
If the Olympic Committee is the deciding vote, then I guess Atlanta is one of our finest cities.
As are LA (2x), Squaw Valley, and Lake Placid. Hey, Chico, you are out there on the left coast. LA is one of the crown jewels of the republic, yes?
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Lol...a lot of Chicago dander raised this morning.
L.A. one of the jewels? God no. I think it's a dump. It has it's moments as does Chicago, but I had to laugh when the poster said Chicago is a crown jewel or whatever was said. It's a proud city that the locals ( who choose to stay) love...totally understand. It is not a city that I believe a lot of people are clamouring to setup shop in from other parts of the country.
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This is right. After many years of speculation, it took one of the highest profile jobs out there to make Crean leave.
Correct, but the talking heads started the crap after 3 years. MU has this perception with some national sports guys as a launching point. It came up with KO, with Deane, TC and now with Buzz.
It's too bad that MU has this reputation despite the amount of money we pour in.
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Lets not fool underestimate ourselves. marquette is a top tier program. We are a big east perrennial contender, and realistically, there are few schools that many people would see as an upgrade over us. Creen left because Indiana is one of the top 5 greatest college basketball programs, an opportunity you can't pass up. But unless a power job like that comes open, I don't think their our many real upgrades out there. Marquette pays as well as any school in the country, has great facilities, and is solid academically. The only job that would scare me conecerning buzz williams if it came open, would be the Texas job. But to think that Marquette has not turned into a very desireable job, and to think that there are a ton of programs out there that trump marquette just isn't true.
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Lets not fool underestimate ourselves. marquette is a top tier program. We are a big east perrennial contender, and realistically, there are few schools that many people would see as an upgrade over us. Creen left because Indiana is one of the top 5 greatest college basketball programs, an opportunity you can't pass up. But unless a power job like that comes open, I don't think their our many real upgrades out there. Marquette pays as well as any school in the country, has great facilities, and is solid academically. The only job that would scare me conecerning buzz williams if it came open, would be the Texas job. But to think that Marquette has not turned into a very desireable job, and to think that there are a ton of programs out there that trump marquette just isn't true.
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What is an upgrade over MU? We are a top half school in a top conference. I think their are only a handful of schools and none of them are looking for a coach right now.
Yes, Texas might be an upgrade in Buzz's mind. However, is Buzz someone that Texas would court if their job was open right now? A guy that has two years of major college ball epxerience and has outperformed. Seems a Jamie Dixon, someone that has recruited and coached that a team to a #1 seed would be more their liking.
If Buzz was coaching Xavier/Houston/Butler he would be a hot property. Fact is he has a "hot property" job now.
Lastly, as we found out with Crean, MU will pay. So, Buzz doesn;t have to worry about getting short changed.
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Is Rio in America?
If the Olympic Committee is the deciding vote, then I guess Atlanta is one of our finest cities.
I like Atlanta, more so than Chicago. I just don't think Chicago is the best city in America and can't imagine it making any type of national list saying it is. I personally like Chicago, but I was snorting a bit at the original comment saying it was the best city in America, that's all.
Chicago recently made one of the worst cities in America. In 2009 it was voted most Miserable City in America by Forbes Magazine. http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/06/most-miserable-cities-business-washington_0206_miserable_cities.html
In 2010, it had climbed to 10th most miserable....so strides are being made
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americas-most-miserable-cities-business-beltway-miserable-cities_slide_11.html
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Also, when people speculate about coaches leaving MU, I don't think they know the situation in any real depth.... They probably only think about the "cold weather" city talk, but with global warming coming on, we may have that licked soon.
If you're truly a die hard Marquette fan, buy yourself a Hummer (of the SUV variety) and switch to spray deodorant. Tell Gore to go screw his carbon offsets... we need Milwaukee to be in a warm climate!
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Lets not fool underestimate ourselves. marquette is a top tier program. We are a big east perrennial contender, and realistically, there are few schools that many people would see as an upgrade over us. Creen left because Indiana is one of the top 5 greatest college basketball programs, an opportunity you can't pass up. But unless a power job like that comes open, I don't think their our many real upgrades out there. Marquette pays as well as any school in the country, has great facilities, and is solid academically. The only job that would scare me conecerning buzz williams if it came open, would be the Texas job. But to think that Marquette has not turned into a very desireable job, and to think that there are a ton of programs out there that trump marquette just isn't true.
I hope you are right, but considering that the top 3 guys we went after 2 years ago said no within 24 hours, I'm not completely sold on that theory. MU hasn't been able to land a "name" coach from a solid program in about 50 years. We've had great hires from smaller schools or assistants, but have not been able to lure a coach over from a power program.
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I like Atlanta, more so than Chicago. I just don't think Chicago is the best city in America and can't imagine it making any type of national list saying it is. I personally like Chicago, but I was snorting a bit at the original comment saying it was the best city in America, that's all.
Chicago recently made one of the worst cities in America. In 2009 it was voted most Miserable City in America by Forbes Magazine. http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/06/most-miserable-cities-business-washington_0206_miserable_cities.html
In 2010, it had climbed to 10th most miserable....so strides are being made
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americas-most-miserable-cities-business-beltway-miserable-cities_slide_11.html
Chicos ... when picking the best city in America, do you put a 99% weight on weather? It can't be a nice city if it is cold and snowy in Janaury.
You live in LA, correct? Everything about LA says is a disaster of a place, except its 75 and sunny in January so that offsets everything else.
No doubt in my mind Chicago is one of the best cities in the country, closely followed by NYC.
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Chicos ... when picking the best city in America, do you put a 99% weight on weather? It can't be a nice city if it is cold and snowy in Janaury.
You live in LA, correct? Everything about LA says is a disaster of a place, except its 75 and sunny in January so that offsets everything else.
No doubt in my mind Chicago is one of the best cities in the country, closely followed by NYC.
LA is a million times better than Chicago and NYC, and I live in NYC.
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Wasn't that he believes Chicago is not the finest city, but using the IOC as his initial barometer.
If I were picking a city, my preference would be Naples, FL. Suprised Florida Gulf Coast U is not a sports powerhouse :)
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If I were picking a city, my preference would be Naples, FL. Suprised Florida Gulf Coast U is not a sports powerhouse :)
Binge drinking, tanning, and showing your tits aren't officially recongnized division 1A sports yet.
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Naples, LA, Atlanta. These are not cities, they are suburbs.
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Naples, LA, Atlanta. These are not cities, they are suburbs.
and Grizzly adams had a beard.
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LA is a million times better than Chicago and NYC, and I live in NYC.
San Diego isn't half bad!
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If I were picking a city, my preference would be Naples, FL.
I didn't realize you were 80 years old.
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San Diego isn't half bad!
San Diego isn't a real place, it's like narnia or detroit....
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Naples, LA, Atlanta. These are not cities, they are suburbs.
Atlanta is a suburb to what?
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I didn't realize you were 80 years old.
My liver is........
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Correct, but the talking heads started the crap after 3 years. MU has this perception with some national sports guys as a launching point. It came up with KO, with Deane, TC and now with Buzz.
It's too bad that MU has this reputation despite the amount of money we pour in.
The "talking heads" who "started the crap" were getting a lot of their material directly from TC. With Buzz being young and successful there will be some talk, but Williams won't feed the beast the way Crean did.
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San Diego isn't a real place, it's like narnia or detroit....
Well done! hahahaha
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Buzz made the comment after the St. Johns game that "We'll continue to be able to get good players at Marquette. What I don't know is that they will be as good of people as these 3 guys (Zar, Mo, Cooby) have been, as these are 3 of the best kids I've ever been around.
Very true statement, but I think that statement offers a little bit of insight into how Buzz views MU - not sure Crean was sold on the fact he could continue to get good players to Marquette, and thus thought it would be easier at Indiana. I'm glad Buzz has the confidence that he can get good players to MU, as it all starts with recruiting.
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Chicos ... when picking the best city in America, do you put a 99% weight on weather? It can't be a nice city if it is cold and snowy in Janaury.
You live in LA, correct? Everything about LA says is a disaster of a place, except its 75 and sunny in January so that offsets everything else.
No doubt in my mind Chicago is one of the best cities in the country, closely followed by NYC.
We all have different opinions. I don't like LA as I stated earlier. I don't care for Chicago much, though there are some parts I like. My biggest problem with Chicago is the corruption is so rampant and has been for decades. It's not the only city, most major cities have serious corruption issues, but Chicago is at the top in my opinion.
Some people love the big cities, some don't. I prefer mid-sized cities like Milwaukee, Phoenix, Indianapolis, San Diego, etc. All have their issues. Chicago as the best city in America, sorry, not buying it. Just my opinion.
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I always hated these lists because they need to be different or else no one will read them or care. If someone came out with a list that listed the best cities in the US and it read NYC, Chicago, LA, San Franciso, etc. it would be pretty boring and pointless. If you asked a broad group from around the country what the best cities were I think the usual suspects would always pop up.
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Regarding DePaul's quest for a coach: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0312-around-town--20100311,0,2755884.column
If they could build a stadium near campus, that would help them in so many ways.
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I don't see Buzz leaving for one big reason (with a couple of smaller reasons). Marquette is a faith based institution. That seems to be a huge factor for him. I really believe that the mission of MU really fits Buzz's values and beliefs. So, what larger, more dedicated university is out there that he would want to go to? (I'm actually asking, I can't think of any.)
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Wasn't that he believes Chicago is not the finest city, but using the IOC as his initial barometer.
If I were picking a city, my preference would be Naples, FL. Suprised Florida Gulf Coast U is not a sports powerhouse :)
Many barometers, that was just the latest most obvious one that had national attention (I didn't think the Milton Bradley stuff was credible). I love Naples, FL as well....actually like Bonita Springs a little more down in that neck of the woods.
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I don't see Buzz leaving for one big reason (with a couple of smaller reasons). Marquette is a faith based institution. That seems to be a huge factor for him. I really believe that the mission of MU really fits Buzz's values and beliefs. So, what larger, more dedicated university is out there that he would want to go to? (I'm actually asking, I can't think of any.)
Baylor. And that is right in his recruiting wheelhouse...
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We all have different opinions. I don't like LA as I stated earlier. I don't care for Chicago much, though there are some parts I like. My biggest problem with Chicago is the corruption is so rampant and has been for decades. It's not the only city, most major cities have serious corruption issues, but Chicago is at the top in my opinion.
Some people love the big cities, some don't. I prefer mid-sized cities like Milwaukee, Phoenix, Indianapolis, San Diego, etc. All have their issues. Chicago as the best city in America, sorry, not buying it. Just my opinion.
Phoenix a mid-sized city?!? 5th largest in the country :o :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
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Baylor. And that is right in his recruiting wheelhouse...
Baylor's got a hell of a coach already.
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Baylor's got a hell of a coach already.
I know. Just trying to offer a larger faith based institution.
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Baylor's got a hell of a coach already.
Yeah, what Scott Drew has done down there is pretty damn near amazing.
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Many barometers, that was just the latest most obvious one that had national attention (I didn't think the Milton Bradley stuff was credible). I love Naples, FL as well....actually like Bonita Springs a little more down in that neck of the woods.
I prefer Sarasota....but that's just me.
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Regarding DePaul's quest for a coach: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0312-around-town--20100311,0,2755884.column
If they could build a stadium near campus, that would help them in so many ways.
I have always thought that Steve Lavin was deserving of another chance somewhere. The guy can clearly recruit, and he did pretty darn well at UCLA outside of his last year. They were in the Sweet 16 in five of his first six seasons. He's still only about 45 years old too.
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Baylor. And that is right in his recruiting wheelhouse...
Despite their recnet success, I doubt Baylor is more dedicated to its basketball program than MU.
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Regarding DePaul's quest for a coach: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0312-around-town--20100311,0,2755884.column
If they could build a stadium near campus, that would help them in so many ways.
The little talk that is coming out of Chicago relative to the DePaul situation seems to be that they are ready to do what is necessary to get their program back to being good. I hope that's the case as I think that would be a good thing for MU.
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Despite their recnet success, I doubt Baylor is more dedicated to its basketball program than MU.
Basketball is merely a tasty appetizer to the football feast that is Texas. Texas schools like being good at basketball and being great at is also fun. However, every school in Texas would take 10 winless basketball seasons if it meant one football national championship.
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As are LA (2x), Squaw Valley, and Lake Placid. Hey, Chico, you are out there on the left coast. LA is one of the crown jewels of the republic, yes?
And Salt Lake City...!
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The little talk that is coming out of Chicago relative to the DePaul situation seems to be that they are ready to do what is necessary to get their program back to being good.
Is this coach available?
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/521/slideshow_52115/display_image.jpg)
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Is this coach available?
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/521/slideshow_52115/display_image.jpg)
PETE BELL!
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They probably only think about the "cold weather" city talk, but with global warming coming on, we may have that licked soon.
By 2075, we just may have a shot to be upgraded from "outrageous amounts of snow" to "extra large amounts of snow"
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So, other than Tampa, isn't Milwaukee arguably in the Top 4 in the BE in cities to be? Philly? Pitt? Louisville? Cinci? Snores? Syracuse? Newark? South Bend? Providence? Morgantown? DC? The two biggest competitors, NY and Chi, have the worst teams. Let's get real here. It is about the exposure (East Coast media, the facilities/program ties and first and foremost, the coach). Recruits want to play in The League. Why do you think CTC is selling hard on his MU NBA connections vs. those from I-Cubed? May not play well with the alums over time (it did to start) but it does with recruits via the east coast press (including ESPN in this) and pipeline.
Some of The Buzzer's best recruits committed before they even stepped foot on campus--from Texas, NC, Florida. Benford is even awaking the West Coast pipeline where we haven't really ever played--even under Al. Reason was about it on a high recruit level. Buzz and Monarch own the JUCO scene now for MU. MU treats their bball players very well. Word gets around. The YouTube video and the BET will get MU more pub with recruits than the USF dance team does for USF. Kudos to Brad, Scoop and CS. Buzz being a bit odd--in a good way-helps too--baby blue Blazer and all.
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Phoenix a mid-sized city?!? 5th largest in the country :o :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
Wow, I honestly didn't realize it had grown that large now. It's funny, San Antonio always makes this list, too and it never had that "big city feel" to me. I had San Antonio on my regular route for customers for a few years and it always seemed mid sized, probably because of the lack of a center point that is a behemoth like other cities.
Maybe it's more of how the western and southern larger cities seem to be setup vs the older, rust belt type cities.
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Atlanta is a suburb to what?
Spent any time there? It's one giant suburb. 500,000 people in Atlanta proper. 5.5 million in the metro area.
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goes a long way to explain the always packed 8 lane highways.
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Wow, I honestly didn't realize it had grown that large now. It's funny, San Antonio always makes this list, too and it never had that "big city feel" to me. I had San Antonio on my regular route for customers for a few years and it always seemed mid sized, probably because of the lack of a center point that is a behemoth like other cities.
Maybe it's more of how the western and southern larger cities seem to be setup vs the older, rust belt type cities.
;D
Was it the morning or evening paper that you delivered?
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Both morning and evening.