2010 Vibe

[The Lens]

With Villanova on the horizon and looking down the barrel at a 1-3 conf open, I'm getting some 2010 flashbacks.  Signs of nice wins, paired with a rough opening conf schedule and of non conf home game (NC State / Okla State) that we all felt we should have won. 

And after 1-4, it got worse bc we lost to KenPom's 170th team, DePaul 51-50 to fall to 2-5.  But then schedule opened up, 5 games all KenPom 50 or higher, more confidence was gained and wins were acrued. 

We finished the season 11-7 in conf. 

2010 followed the graduation of Dom, Jerel and Wesley.  There were talks on here of building statues for those 3 outside the BC.  They were are important to the previous 4 years collectively as Markus (and Sacar).  Guys like Lazar (and Acker, and David, and Jimmy) had to step into bigger roles while new talent like Buycks and DJO filled in the gaps.

I am not ready to give up on 2021.  I think there's a 2010 stuck inside it, waiting to come out.  Let's just hope we don't blow that lead against Washington this time.


 

[Galway Eagle]

Didn't we go 10-8? Too lazy to look it up. But yeah was thinking something similar the other day

Edit: Apparently we did go 11-7. Apparently that season's more impressive in reality than in my memory.

[Shooter McGavin]

With Villanova on the horizon and looking down the barrel at a 1-3 conf open, I'm getting some 2010 flashbacks.  Signs of nice wins, paired with a rough opening conf schedule and of non conf home game (NC State / Okla State) that we all felt we should have won. 

Sounds about right to me.  Good post.  Hope you are right.

And after 1-4, it got worse bc we lost to KenPom's 170th team, DePaul 51-50 to fall to 2-5.  But then schedule opened up, 5 games all KenPom 50 or higher, more confidence was gained and wins were acrued. 

We finished the season 11-7 in conf. 

2010 followed the graduation of Dom, Jerel and Wesley.  There were talks on here of building statues for those 3 outside the BC.  They were are important to the previous 4 years collectively as Markus (and Sacar).  Guys like Lazar (and Acker, and David, and Jimmy) had to step into bigger roles while new talent like Buycks and DJO filled in the gaps.

I am not ready to give up on 2021.  I think there's a 2010 stuck inside it, waiting to come out.  Let's just hope we don't blow that lead against Washington this time.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I forgot about that stretch where they beat three straight teams on the road in overtime toward the end of February.

Yeah I can see the similarities between that team and this one.  This one doesn't have as good of a coach, and he doesn't have a history as a strong finisher.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yeah I can see the similarities between that team and this one.  This one doesn't have as good of a coach, and he doesn't have a history as a strong finisher.

Buzz is a better coach than Wojo. But while Wojo has sucked as a finisher the last two years, the two years before that he finished the regular season 4-1 and 5-1.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Buzz is a better coach than Wojo. But while Wojo has sucked as a finisher the last two years, the two years before that he finished the regular season 4-1 and 5-1.

DAMN RECENCY BIAS!!!!

[tower912]

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0geKI6Y.OBfb5IAAh1XNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZANDMDE2MF8xBHNlYwNwaXZz?p=2010+Pontiac+Vibe&fr2=piv-web&fr=yset_chr_syc_hp&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tL3NlYXJjaD9wPTIwMTArUG9udGlhYytWaWJlJmZyPXlzZXRfY2hyX3N5Y19ocCZlaT1VVEYtOCZmcD0x&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACrsL9LgFUe3RPKHVHKGhebpPTzW2pG-Ew9RgqSbLmrx0f1jW6Hh3cUML0hfYt18pZugQ7FbJlsHxsuq2irUZ4kVIGM2_ylebbzDUSOtMYb0a-As4WGFLDFyT7ZvH0Y-ErZOWe9rk4xFrR4NWZqBhSRWcqz2b2ImrjNZR0APVkxb&_guc_consent_skip=1608579304

[The Lens]

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0geKI6Y.OBfb5IAAh1XNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZANDMDE2MF8xBHNlYwNwaXZz?p=2010+Pontiac+Vibe&fr2=piv-web&fr=yset_chr_syc_hp&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tL3NlYXJjaD9wPTIwMTArUG9udGlhYytWaWJlJmZyPXlzZXRfY2hyX3N5Y19ocCZlaT1VVEYtOCZmcD0x&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACrsL9LgFUe3RPKHVHKGhebpPTzW2pG-Ew9RgqSbLmrx0f1jW6Hh3cUML0hfYt18pZugQ7FbJlsHxsuq2irUZ4kVIGM2_ylebbzDUSOtMYb0a-As4WGFLDFyT7ZvH0Y-ErZOWe9rk4xFrR4NWZqBhSRWcqz2b2ImrjNZR0APVkxb&_guc_consent_skip=1608579304

FYI, Pontiac builds excitement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUz5VZ1yUZQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27SBY4uVSfk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc9fE2ErOHQ

[Hards Alumni]

FYI, Pontiac builds excitement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUz5VZ1yUZQ

They build nothing, nowadays.

[The Lens]

They build nothing, nowadays.

My hope is this thread turns into a war of Pontiac devotees vs. Buick devotees and it gets so heated it must be locked.

[buckchuckler]

My hope is this thread turns into a war of Pontiac devotees vs. Buick devotees and it gets so heated it must be locked.

Man unnatural carnal knowledge Buick.  Pontiac was so much better.  Can you name one cool Buick?  No.  It doesn't exist.  The Trans Am was a damn icon.  It was developed by John DeLorean.  What else do you need.

[tower912]

With the Oldsmobile devotees chiming in.

[The Lens]

With the Oldsmobile devotees chiming in.

And a weird Saturn fan here or there.

[BM1090]

I think we'll be fine. The opening schedule had all the signs of a 1-3 or 2-2 start after four and a 3-4 or 4-3 start after seven. Still think we finish 11-9 or 12-8.

[lawdog77]

And a weird Saturn fan here or there.

Some sweatervesters will be stating their case for the Model T

[tower912]

And a weird Saturn fan here or there.

Not as weird as the Geo fans.

[rocky_warrior]

My hope is this thread turns into a war of Pontiac devotees vs. Buick devotees and it gets so heated it must be locked.

Maybe, but my recollection is that the Vibe was a cooperation with Toyota, so the sister car is a Matrix.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Man unnatural carnal knowledge Buick.  Pontiac was so much better.  Can you name one cool Buick?  No.  It doesn't exist.  The Trans Am was a damn icon.  It was developed by John DeLorean.  What else do you need.

I'm not really a car guy, but this is something I never understood.  You dropped Pontiac but kept Buick?  My guess is that it was to appeal to the aging Boomers.  But now their add campaigns are mocking the brand.  "That's a Buick?"

[tower912]

When GM was bankrupt and undergoing reorganization, Buick had distinctive product in the pipeline.   Pontiac didn't.  All of their upcoming stuff was indistinguishable from Chevy except for styling.   Pontiac was sacrificed.

[MDMU04]

I'm not really a car guy, but this is something I never understood.  You dropped Pontiac but kept Buick?  My guess is that it was to appeal to the aging Boomers.  But now their add campaigns are mocking the brand.  "That's a Buick?"

Buick survived simply because the brand is enormously popular in China. Buick typically sells around as many cars per year in China as Honda does in the US.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

When GM was bankrupt and undergoing reorganization, Buick had distinctive product in the pipeline.   Pontiac didn't.  All of their upcoming stuff was indistinguishable from Chevy except for styling.   Pontiac was sacrificed.

Buick survived simply because the brand is enormously popular in China. Buick typically sells around as many cars per year in China as Honda does in the US.

So you both are saying that they made a logical choice and the rambling rantings of a message board guy are off?

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Nice enough cars. I could let you know if we take one in, but as a new car dealership we have to wholesale it if it doesn’t pass safety.

[buckchuckler]

I'm not really a car guy, but this is something I never understood.  You dropped Pontiac but kept Buick?  My guess is that it was to appeal to the aging Boomers.  But now their add campaigns are mocking the brand.  "That's a Buick?"

I think the actual reason was the for some completely unknown reason, Buick actually sells really well in China.  So it was kept for that market.

** Ah, I see it was already addressed.  It is still stupid.  And Buick seems like a good car comparison for Wojo.  Completely acceptable, but in no way cool, great or exciting, other than its proximity to a cooler brand (Caddy).  Just competent with an everlasting hope it could be something better.  But in the end, its still a Buick.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Man unnatural carnal knowledge Buick.  Pontiac was so much better.  Can you name one cool Buick?  No.  It doesn't exist.  The Trans Am was a damn icon.  It was developed by John DeLorean.  What else do you need.

The Regal GS wasn’t a bad car. Now, just SUVs.

[The Lens]

It's just incredible that GM lasted along as it did making 5 of the same car + GMC trucks.  At least Ford only had 3 versions.   

[tower912]

Well, all anybody is making are SUVs

[buckchuckler]

Well, all anybody is making are SUVs

The market for non-performance cars is basically dead.  With crossovers getting similar mileage to cars, people, at least here, seem to want the space and height of CUVs and SUVs.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I think the actual reason was the for some completely unknown reason, Buick actually sells really well in China.  So it was kept for that market.

This is what I have always heard, (I am a Mark of Excellence (tm) Buick salesman). The Emperor of China drove a  Buick.

They’re fine as semi-luxury SUVs. I have a 14, 11, and 8 year-olds and The Wife drives an Enclave and there’s nothing wrong with that. The Encore is getting phased out for the slightly larger GX version, but will still sticker around $26k nicely equipped. The Buick Envision is being completely remodeled, (I saw one at a Hummer unveiling), and should actually arrive any day.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Me suspects Lens was responsible for that pos "Gold" car that Crean had ordered up. Pontiac or Buick?  And whichever that car company was responsible, they deservedly earned their fate.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Maybe, but my recollection is that the Vibe was a cooperation with Toyota, so the sister car is a Matrix.

This is absolutely true. The Matrix and the Vibe were made at the same plant.

[MU82]

Pontiac long gone. I blame Wojo.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Pontiac long gone. I blame Wojo.

That and the Aztek.

[MU82]

That and the Aztek.

On a trip to Kauai, we rented an Aztek. It was butt-ugly, and a rattle-trap. But it was weirdly fun.

[The Lens]

Me suspects Lens was responsible for that pos "Gold" car that Crean had ordered up. Pontiac or Buick?  And whichever that car company was responsible, they deservedly earned their fate.

Crean is the Plymouth Neon.  Big splashy debut, expensive marketing, some early success, still out there but relatively unheard from lately.

[GooooMarquette]

That and the Aztek.

Walter White says hi.

[GooooMarquette]

With the Oldsmobile devotees chiming in.

First car I 'inherited' from my dad was a mid-70s ('75 or '76) Olds Delta 88 Royale.

It looked like an old man's car and had an old man's car interior, and the steering certainly wasn't what you'd call responsive...but the 455 4-barrel V8 took off like a freakin' rocket. The only downside was actually being able to see the hole open up in the ozone layer as I drove....

[Dr. Blackheart]

Crean is the Plymouth Neon.  Big splashy debut, expensive marketing, some early success, still out there but relatively unheard from lately.

Found this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/meet-the-golden-eagle-the-car-claimed-to-have-killed-a-1830037928/amp

[MUDPT]

Buzz knew they were undermanned so he took the air out of the ball. They also never turned it over. He knew they weren’t going to compete on offensive boards so emphasized holding on to the ball.

[The Big East]

First car I 'inherited' from my dad was a mid-70s ('75 or '76) Olds Delta 88 Royale.

It looked like an old man's car and had an old man's car interior, and the steering certainly wasn't what you'd call responsive...but the 455 4-barrel V8 took off like a freakin' rocket. The only downside was actually being able to see the hole open up in the ozone layer as I drove....

My Grandmother had a two door 1972 version of the same car with that huge engine. She was about 4-11 and could barely see over the steering wheel but she loved burning rubber with that car . Those were the days. 

[WellsstreetWanderer]

loved driving my dad's   Deuce and a Quarter   except for the cigar odor

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Man unnatural carnal knowledge Buick.  Pontiac was so much better.  Can you name one cool Buick?  No.  It doesn't exist.  The Trans Am was a damn icon.  It was developed by John DeLorean.  What else do you need.

[hairy worthen]

Pontiac long gone. I blame Wojo.

DAMN WOJO.  I love me some Pontiac. In fact I literally just bought one today for my son who just got his license, which is really weird that this topic happened to come up.

[Galway Eagle]

DAMN WOJO.  I love me some Pontiac. In fact I literally just bought one today for my son who just got his license, which is really weird that this topic happened to come up.

I still drive a Pontiac from 2010. Thing is legit. Granted I expect it to fall apart while I'm driving but till then it's great.

[🏀]

With the Oldsmobile devotees chiming in.

Loved my Oldsmobile Ninety Eight.

[lawdog77]

I had a Pontiac Fiero in high school. Dont Judge

[Hards Alumni]

Loved my Oldsmobile Ninety Eight.

I had an '88 Cutlass Ciera in HS... My parents bought it from a granny that never drove it over 40.  The first time I got it out on 41 the dashboard nearly rattled itself apart.  Eventually, it was broken in and ran for a few years... until the transmission quit.  Might have been me stomping the gas pedal whenever I could.

[Ardmore Mug]

I loved Pontiacs back in the day...  Of course they were all tanks, made of metal incl heavy duty bumpers ! ! !  But my fave was my first new car off of the showroom floor.  1973 Pontiac Grand Prix.. The front of the car arrived 30 min before the back of the car.  All front hood, with the 400 4bbl ( I got it up to 122 mph one time) under it...Quite the "Cruiser"  ! ! !

[The Lens]

I had a Pontiac Fiero in high school. Dont Judge

One of the greatest MU walk on's ever, Mark Harris '96, drove a Pontiac Fiero with the plate: I L EV8

When you're 5'8 and you can dunk, you can pull that off.

RIP Mark...gone waaaaaaaay too soon.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

I once tried to take out the Delta Chi house back porch with my 1973 Gran Torino. The back porch won.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I had a Pontiac Fiero in high school. Dont Judge

Did it blow up?

[vogue65]

I had a '55 Chevrolet Bel Air convertible.  Leather seats, blankets on the seat, blaket hanging from the convertable cross member, newspapers under the seat.  When men were men and cars were cars.  Sold it for $25.00 in 1966 when I went into service.

[NCMUFan]

Back to talking MUBB.  I would say the Vibe is more like 2006 with Freshman Jerel, DJ and Wes and then anchored by seniors such as Novak and Chapman.

[nycwarrior]

I like the 2006 comparison. We've got some solid and steady program stalwarts helping talented freshmen to find their way.

The only problem with the analogy is this year's returners don't really have a comp for Novak (who put up 17.5 ppg and played a decade or so in The League).

I'd sign up for the 2020 version of the 2006 Team's 4th place finish in the Big East (10-6) faster than 11:15 mass at a seaside resort.

[The Lens]

That 2006 team was so Creany.  Huge win vs. UConn to open up play and then goes 9-8 the rest of the way.  Including losing to a .500 Cinci team at home 3 days later.

[The Lens]

Back to talking MUBB. 

HOW DARE YOU

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

That 2006 team was so Creany.  Huge win vs. UConn to open up play and then goes 9-8 the rest of the way.  Including losing to a .500 Cinci team at home 3 days later.

I thought that was limited to Wojo!?!

[The Lens]

Soooooooo.....

I went to the gym yesterday (First day back in 2020, masked up ain't so bad).

FIRST...I spot a Pontiac Vibe in the parking lot
THEN...I go inside and Dwight Buycks is there working out.

My gym really had a 2010 Vibe.

Scoop imitates Life or Life imitates Scoop? 

[GOO]

I've really enjoyed watching this years team.  There is a lot of negativity here on scoop towards this team.  Maybe that has to do with expectations.  They have exceeded mine.  I expect the ups and downs with this team, but like what I've seen and the grit and determination is there that has been missing in recent years (maybe it was there, but some players had such physical limitations that it didn't show).

I expect us to lose tonight, but I also expect us to compete and have a few runs.  A few breakdowns as well. But, if we shoot like at UCLA, it could be a long night (4/20 for 3 at UCLA is what killed us - hit a few more and that is a different game).   

[injuryBug]

I had a vibe back in 2013.  Got totaled in an accident on a Friday morning during the NCAA tournament. Came home after watching it get towed away to see Marshall Henderson put the finishing touches on UW@Madison, all was not lost that day

[Hards Alumni]

I had a vibe back in 2013.  Got totaled in an accident on a Friday morning during the NCAA tournament. Came home after watching it get towed away to see Marshall Henderson put the finishing touches on UW@Madison, all was not lost that day

Sounds like two good things happened that day