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BCHoopster

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Guards
« on: March 12, 2015, 10:28:16 PM »
If you are thinking guards just look how tough Barlow and Dunhim are for Butler, if you start Carter and Wilson next year you think they have the toughness of those kids?
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Re: Guards
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2015, 10:30:36 PM »
Carter weighs 165 lbs.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2015, 10:34:05 PM »
Next season is year 2 of the rebuilding process. 
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Re: Guards
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2015, 10:54:28 PM »
Define toughness
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Re: Guards
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2015, 11:05:35 PM »
Quote from: PandTandMand... on March 12, 2015, 10:54:28 PM
Define toughness
What you see is what you get........
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Re: Guards
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 11:08:06 PM »
Toughness very often is an attribute for players without high level skill. Ill take the skill to start with personally. Toughness/confidence grows with age and experience
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Re: Guards
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 11:37:16 PM »
Quote from: OrangeGreenGolden on March 12, 2015, 11:08:06 PM
Toughness very often is an attribute for players without high level skill. Ill take the skill to start with personally. Toughness/confidence grows with age and experience
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You can be tough and skilled, I think a guy named Jordan had that.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 11:51:07 PM »
Quote from: bilsu on March 12, 2015, 10:30:36 PM
Carter weighs 165 lbs.

So did Allen Iverson.
May have been the toughest player, pound for pound, in the NBA ever.

(No, I'm not comparing Carter to Iverson. Just pointing out that weight and toughness don't have to go hand-in-hand)
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Re: Guards
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2015, 06:32:07 AM »
Wojo and crew know what good guard play is.   Hopefully, the ones they have recruited for next season can become great ones.   But please, for the love of all that is holy, do not expect them to be instant superstars.   If they are, gravy.    But give them time to be freshmen and only burden them with freshmen expectations.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2015, 06:52:24 AM »
Quote from: Pakuni on March 12, 2015, 11:51:07 PM
So did Allen Iverson.
May have been the toughest player, pound for pound, in the NBA ever.

(No, I'm not comparing Carter to Iverson. Just pointing out that weight and toughness don't have to go hand-in-hand)

Russ Smith is 165# and did well in the Big East
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Re: Guards
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2015, 07:07:24 AM »
Quote from: tower912 on March 13, 2015, 06:32:07 AM
Wojo and crew know what good guard play is.   Hopefully, the ones they have recruited for next season can become great ones.   But please, for the love of all that is holy, do not expect them to be instant superstars.   If they are, gravy.    But give them time to be freshmen and only burden them with freshmen expectations.

Oh tower...you know better than to hope fans have realistic expectations ;D
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Re: Guards
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2015, 07:46:51 AM »
Just because I know message board denizens expectations doesn't mean I can't appeal to their better nature.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2015, 07:56:50 AM »
Interesting you bring his up, as that is what struck me about Carter in the little bit I saw of him. Appeared to have very good strength and ability to take contact for a smaller guy (height and weight). Both will need to continue to get stronger of course, but that's something that is not really a concern for me.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2015, 07:59:54 AM »
One of our current coaches was a pretty damn tough point guard for a little guy at our alma mater
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2015, 08:26:48 AM »
Quote from: romey on March 13, 2015, 07:59:54 AM
One of our current coaches was a pretty damn tough point guard for a little guy at our alma mater

Beat me to it.  Travis looked 13 by the time he graduated from MU, but I'd go to battle with him any day.  Had a bit of talent too.

Chatted with him again at the picnic last summer.  He looks about 18 now....
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Re: Guards
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2015, 08:28:47 AM »
The Cory's from Villanova were tough little guys | Boatwright tough little guy.  Duane flies all over the floor and will take on big guys after the whistle.  i am not worried about toughness.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2015, 09:20:39 AM »
Quote from: Pakuni on March 12, 2015, 11:51:07 PM
So did Allen Iverson.
May have been the toughest player, pound for pound, in the NBA ever.

(No, I'm not comparing Carter to Iverson. Just pointing out that weight and toughness don't have to go hand-in-hand)

I heard on an internet scouting report that Carter is the next Iverson.  ;D

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Re: Guards
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2015, 09:22:32 AM »
No definition of toughness yet?
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Re: Guards
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2015, 09:29:57 AM »
Quote from: PandTandMand... on March 13, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
No definition of toughness yet?

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Re: Guards
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2015, 09:51:34 AM »
Quote from: PandTandMand... on March 13, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
No definition of toughness yet?

Ability and willingness to take contact and play through it...again and again.

You see it in guys who are the first to dive on the floor to get a loose ball, the first to step in and take a charge.  Guys like Travis Diener, Derrick Wilson, Duane Wilson.  Some have huge talent, some don't, but they all display this willingness to take punishment for the sake of the team.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2015, 09:51:41 AM »
They need to be more grindy
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2015, 03:39:37 PM »
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 13, 2015, 09:51:34 AM
Ability and willingness to take contact and play through it...again and again.

You see it in guys who are the first to dive on the floor to get a loose ball, the first to step in and take a charge.  Guys like Travis Diener, Derrick Wilson, Duane Wilson.  Some have huge talent, some don't, but they all display this willingness to take punishment for the sake of the team.

Yeah, but the original poster said Duane Wilson isn't tough like Butler's guards....
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Re: Guards
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2015, 03:56:01 PM »
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 13, 2015, 08:26:48 AM
Beat me to it.  Travis looked 13 by the time he graduated from MU, but I'd go to battle with him any day.  Had a bit of talent too.

Chatted with him again at the picnic last summer.  He looks about 18 now....

I'll give you 17. He's still the teenage assassin.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2015, 03:58:10 PM »
We should probably ask the scorers table at MSG if it thinks Duane is 'tough'
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Re: Guards
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2015, 04:01:15 PM »
Quote from: PandTandMand... on March 13, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
No definition of toughness yet?

Toughness is 15% grit, 25% clutch, 30% scrappy, and 40% leadership.
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2015, 04:01:26 PM »
Duane needs to get stronger.  And that will come.  Duane is plenty tough.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2015, 07:11:56 PM »
My last 10 years MU toughness team

Pg DJ
SG WES
SF LAZAR/Jimmy either will do
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Center Chris
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Re: Guards
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2015, 07:40:48 PM »
Quote from: romey on March 13, 2015, 07:59:54 AM
One of our current coaches was a pretty damn tough point guard for a little guy at our alma mater

I agree with this. I remember thinking Diener was one of the toughest guys in college basketball by the time he was a sophomore. My son was a young point guard at the time and I used to do freeze-frames on Diener setting screens in the lane against humongous opponents so Jackson or Merritt could pop free.

And while we're on the subject of tough little guys, John Stockton was an animal -- during the heart of his career, many considered him one of the dirtiest players in the league.

And Iverson (as many others mentioned), Isiah, Kemba, Tiny Archibald ... I could go on and on.

All of those guys were little but had cajones the size of canteloupes!

I actually didn't think lack of toughness was a problem at all for Duane. He willingly threw his body around among the giants. He could use some more strength, though.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2015, 07:50:35 PM »
Quote from: PandTandMand... on March 13, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
No definition of toughness yet?

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Re: Guards
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2015, 08:25:46 PM »
I'll take the girl from DHSA girls team at the point or 2. She's better than most of our players. 55 pts against a very
good Middleton team. Ogunbuwale.
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Re: Guards
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2015, 08:50:11 PM »
She's going to be a Domer.....
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