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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Herman Cain on March 30, 2022, 08:51:13 PM
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Tiger is making an all out effort to play in The Masters
https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/rory-mciroy-tiger-woods-looked-great-at-masters-tune-up/
If Tiger does play, he will be in strong contention on Sunday afternoon, yet again.
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Here we go…
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Tiger is making an all out effort to play in The Masters
https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/rory-mciroy-tiger-woods-looked-great-at-masters-tune-up/
If Tiger does play, he will be in strong contention on Sunday afternoon, yet again.
Even you don't believe you.
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Tiger is making an all out effort to play in The Masters
https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/rory-mciroy-tiger-woods-looked-great-at-masters-tune-up/
If Tiger does play, he will be in strong contention on Sunday afternoon, yet again.
it would be a Cinderella story
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Sergio reflecting on his Masters win
https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2022/apr/01/sergio-garcia-its-special-to-be-called-a-masters-champion-but-my-career-was-already-great
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it would be a Cinderella story
If Cinderella had a $1 billion dowry.
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Look, 2019 was one a top-5 sports moment of mine, maybe even number one.
Buuuut, he ain’t winning another tournament in his career.
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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/masters-2022-tiger-woods-anticipation?utm_medium=email&utm_source=040122&utm_campaign=hitlist&utm_content=DM26610&uuid=85f898e378d547f4aa114b5572e1ddc5
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Chi town
As much as I love MU basketball, 2019 is in my top five and maybe top three of sports moments. I am going to The Open Championship this year and cannot wait to give my guy a big ovation. I remember vividly Jack in ‘86 and Tiger pushed Jack down my list, and that is saying a lot in my world.
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I don’t understand why people like the guy. He’s not a good person. He was married and sleeping with anything that moved. Then he was found asleep behind the wheel of his car more drugged up than someone going through open heart surgery. And we’re really going to pretend he wasn’t high/and or drunk when he was going “between 82 and 86 MPH” in a 45 MPH zone and never hit his breaks before his single car car crash?
Cheating is between him and his wife. Definitely makes him an a hole. But drunk driving puts lives at risk. There’s no place for that.
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Impaired driving to be accurate. His blood alcohol was 0.0.
Oh and he’s had complaints of a hostile work environment for women at his restaurant The Woods here in Jupiter.
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I don’t understand why people like the guy. He’s not a good person. He was married and sleeping with anything that moved. Then he was found asleep behind the wheel of his car more drugged up than someone going through open heart surgery. And we’re really going to pretend he wasn’t high/and or drunk when he was going “between 82 and 86 MPH” in a 45 MPH zone and never hit his breaks before his single car car crash?
Cheating is between him and his wife. Definitely makes him an a hole. But drunk driving puts lives at risk. There’s no place for that.
Who are you talking about? This, literally, could be a description of any one of today's celebrities, aina?
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Very interesting what it takes for some celebrities to be vilified while others get labeled “my guy” by grown adults.
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fluff
I don't find it very interesting; I find it to be part of having the freedom to have your own opinion. We all have different thoughts and opinions and that is how life should be. There are plenty of people that have been my guy over the years, and many were likely vilified by other people. Al would be a perfect example of that. He was far from perfect, actually potentially very far from perfect, but IMO, his good outweighed his bad and he brought joy to me life.
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fluff
I don't find it very interesting; I find it to be part of having the freedom to have your own opinion. We all have different thoughts and opinions and that is how life should be. There are plenty of people that have been my guy over the years, and many were likely vilified by other people. Al would be a perfect example of that. He was far from perfect, actually potentially very far from perfect, but IMO, his good outweighed his bad and he brought joy to me life.
You can have whatever opinion you want. I just find it to be interesting.
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Tiger's win was amazing. It was a great TV event that I enjoyed at the time. I doubt it's in my top several dozen sports memories; for example, it's well behind numerous Marquette basketball memories for me. It's not even my top Tiger memory -- that putt on 16 would be No. 1. But I respect those who have it ranked higher, as it certainly was an incredible performance.
As for Tiger being a dirtball ... well sure, but if we start eliminating great moments by dirtballs, we'll have very few moments to remember fondly. I mean, Kirby Puckett's Game 6 in 1991 is one of my all-time memories ... and now we know he was a slimeball. But it still was a great performance to look back on -- one I happen to place well above Tiger's win (perhaps because I was there).
It's pretty easy to separate the performances from the dirtbaginess.
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(https://golfweek.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/87/2019/10/usatsi_12533119.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
I’m in this picture.
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Tiger's win was amazing. It was a great TV event that I enjoyed at the time. I doubt it's in my top several dozen sports memories; for example, it's well behind numerous Marquette basketball memories for me. It's not even my top Tiger memory -- that putt on 16 would be No. 1. But I respect those who have it ranked higher, as it certainly was an incredible performance.
As for Tiger being a dirtball ... well sure, but if we start eliminating great moments by dirtballs, we'll have very few moments to remember fondly. I mean, Kirby Puckett's Game 6 in 1991 is one of my all-time memories ... and now we know he was a slimeball. But it still was a great performance to look back on -- one I happen to place well above Tiger's win (perhaps because I was there).
It's pretty easy to separate the performances from the dirtbaginess.
Yep yep.
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It was a chip on 16, but that is high on my list of Tiger memories. There is no doubt that if we could only enjoy the good guys our moments to remember fondly would be a much shorter list. I kind of think the guys posting on character, or being a villain, might just being doing what they best, challenging for the sake of challenging.
I did not know Kirby was a slimeball and will do some digging on that. While I was not at that game, it definitely was extremely memorable, and I am going to try not to let the fact Kirby was a slimeball take away that moment.
Just curious, what would be a couple of your top sports memories? For me, aside from MU, Jack in '86, a ton of Tiger memories, virtually everything Jordan, virtually everything Tom Brady and everything Favre related. Favre's game after his Dad died is very high on my list. It is kind of sad, but aside from Jack, I have enjoyed a lot of slimeballs.
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https://www.masters.com/preview/en_US/news/articles/2022-04-01/a_first_look_at_changes_to_nos_11_and_15.html?1648850275524
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When you’re a fan, you compromise your morals and ethics quite a bit. It’s the truth. It doesn’t make any sense but it is what it is as they say.
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Rico
I am looking forward to watching the slimeballs play the newly designed holes and especially looking forward to seeing how #11 plays with the changes. I think it needed some tweaking and I hope it is back to being a beast of a hole.
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Rico
I am looking forward to watching the slimeballs play the newly designed holes and especially looking forward to seeing how #11 plays with the changes. I think it needed some tweaking and I hope it is back to being a beast of a hole.
When you stand behind the tee box at 11, it looked beastly enough to this hack. The bailout way right that Tiger used in ‘19 should be gone. Sounds like there will be more dramatic changes to the course in the next few years. Also heard the second cut of “rough” will be gone this year, too.
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I love the accomplishments of guys like Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers but realize both of them are pretty crappy people who I would never call “my guy.” That’s just weird.
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When you stand behind the tee box at 11, it looked beastly enough to this hack. The bailout way right that Tiger used in ‘19 should be gone. Sounds like there will be more dramatic changes to the course in the next few years. Also heard the second cut of “rough” will be gone this year, too.
This is correct. The water is back in play around 11. It’s going to likely be a long iron off the tee now.
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This is correct. The water is back in play around 11. It’s going to likely be a long iron off the tee now.
The 180 by Augusta in the last 20 years has been something. Smarter course design decisions and taking a leadership role in the game of golf has been something. Clifford Roberts is probably rolling over in his grave, but that’s ok
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Don’t forget the course is on TV today at 11a for the women’s amateur.
Did you know they resod the tee boxes after the women’s amateur, every practice round and each tournament round?
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Clifford Roberts is probably rolling over in his grave, but that’s ok
Shoutout Ike’s Pond.
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It sounds like a number of you have been to The Masters, curious on who has all attended in the past. My son won practice round tickets a few years back and he took "his guy" (me) and a couple of friends and it was beyond belief. I think I made the travel team because I had the deepest pockets, not because I was "his guy". Thankfully, the same son won practice tickets for St. Andrews this year and I made the travel squad again.
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It sounds like a number of you have been to The Masters, curious on who has all attended in the past. My son won practice round tickets a few years back and he took "his guy" (me) and a couple of friends and it was beyond belief. I think I made the travel team because I had the deepest pockets, not because I was "his guy". Thankfully, the same son won practice tickets for St. Andrews this year and I made the travel squad again.
Just hoping to win the lottery again.
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It sounds like a number of you have been to The Masters, curious on who has all attended in the past. My son won practice round tickets a few years back and he took "his guy" (me) and a couple of friends and it was beyond belief. I think I made the travel team because I had the deepest pockets, not because I was "his guy". Thankfully, the same son won practice tickets for St. Andrews this year and I made the travel squad again.
I was there in ‘18 for the Wednesday practice round and par-3 contest. Just an incredible experience. Everything they do for the “patrons” is amazing. To this day, the way they ran the bathroom lines still amaze me
I was originally going to the the Open this year but tix went into a lottery instead of general market with it being the 150th and at St. Andrews, so I punted until later in life. Maybe ‘24 for the women or when the men are back at Carnoustie. I think the guys will be back at St. Andrews in ‘26 or ‘27, too
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Rico
Carnousite is very high on my bucket list. My son is true student of golf history and very happy that he won the tickets for St. Andrews this year because of it being the 150th year. When we get St. Andrews this summer my son and I will have completed our Grand Slam of golf together, plus a couple of Ryder Cups. Great memories for this boomer, figured I would beat you guys to the boomer line.
As for Augusta and The Masters, it is beyond belief and words do not do it justice. Only negative, Augusta needs to upgrade the hotels. I do not mind getting screwed on price for an event like The Masters but would prefer nicer accommodations.
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Rico
Carnousite is very high on my bucket list. My son is true student of golf history and very happy that he won the tickets for St. Andrews this year because of it being the 150th year. When we get St. Andrews this summer my son and I will have completed our Grand Slam of golf together, plus a couple of Ryder Cups. Great memories for this boomer, figured I would beat you guys to the boomer line.
As for Augusta and The Masters, it is beyond belief and words do not do it justice. Only negative, Augusta needs to upgrade the hotels. I do not mind getting screwed on price for an event like The Masters but would prefer nicer accommodations.
The accommodations and restaurants are pretty terrible in Augusta. I’ve been told I should stay in SC if I go again
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Going with my dad and it’s the first time for each of us. We got Monday and Tuesday tickets (although Tuesday looks a little dicey). I can’t wait.
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The accommodations and restaurants are pretty terrible in Augusta. I’ve been told I should stay in SC if I go again
Augusta in general is pretty crappy.
We had a small VRBO cabin about 45 minutes outside Augusta. It was like a playhouse compared to the massive house on the property.
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It was a chip on 16, but that is high on my list of Tiger memories. There is no doubt that if we could only enjoy the good guys our moments to remember fondly would be a much shorter list. I kind of think the guys posting on character, or being a villain, might just being doing what they best, challenging for the sake of challenging.
I did not know Kirby was a slimeball and will do some digging on that. While I was not at that game, it definitely was extremely memorable, and I am going to try not to let the fact Kirby was a slimeball take away that moment.
Just curious, what would be a couple of your top sports memories? For me, aside from MU, Jack in '86, a ton of Tiger memories, virtually everything Jordan, virtually everything Tom Brady and everything Favre related. Favre's game after his Dad died is very high on my list. It is kind of sad, but aside from Jack, I have enjoyed a lot of slimeballs.
First, to answer a later question, I was at the 2008 Masters, my only time there. Augusta National is one of those rare places that exceeded the extremely high expectations I had for it; I'd put it with the Grand Canyon and maybe a couple of places in Hawaii that I went in expecting the spectacular ... and it was even better than I expected. It turned out to have been a "meh" Masters - Immelman won, and neither Tiger nor anyone else really challenged him on Sunday - but walking the grounds for 5 days was pretty incredible. Helped that the weather was great most of the time.
As for great sports memories/moments ...
I think maybe there's a difference between memorable moments and memorable events. I certainly could see how Tiger winning in '19 given all he overcame would eclipse the one chip he made years earlier for some.
It would be extremely difficult for me to rank my best sports moments, though I would give a huge edge to those I witnessed in person. So for example, Jordan in Utah for Game 6, Puckett Game 6 1991, MU's OT win vs Mizzou in 2003, 2003 NLCS Game 6 and Jordan's double-nickels in NY would top just about anything I saw on TV, no matter how compelling those televised events might have been.
And then you have the fan aspect ... Rivers' shot vs ND, Bucky Dent's HR (because I was a Yankee fan back then) and the Dolphins 1985 win over the Bears (because I was a Dolphins fan back then) top moments/events in which I had no rooting interest. Even if others might have been "better," they weren't better to me!
And finally, there is the sport itself. I love watching the final 18 of a closely contested golf major, especially when the big names are at the top of the leaderboard, but I like basketball and pro football better than golf in general and so that would impact my viewpoint. Those who like golf better and/or follow it more closely would feel the other way around, which makes sense.
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I saw Jordan play in the Garden and very high on my list of all time in person events. My favorite Jordan moment was the first time I saw him play at Chicago Stadium and I will never forget the level of excitement by the fans. Seeing him introduced before the game gave me goose bumps and I was hooked on MJ and the Bulls for the rest of their ride.
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I was there in ‘18 for the Wednesday practice round and par-3 contest. Just an incredible experience. Everything they do for the “patrons” is amazing. To this day, the way they ran the bathroom lines still amaze me
I was originally going to the the Open this year but tix went into a lottery instead of general market with it being the 150th and at St. Andrews, so I punted until later in life. Maybe ‘24 for the women or when the men are back at Carnoustie. I think the guys will be back at St. Andrews in ‘26 or ‘27, too
I was there the same day. We were fortunate enough to be able to be standing above the green when Jack's grandson made his hole in one. Phenomenal.
I was amazed at how green everything is, down to the color of the food wrappers. The pimento cheese sandwich was horrible, but the BBQ was outstanding. The prices of concessions was pretty good too. Interesting to find out how much they go up in today's world.
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I saw Jordan play in the Garden and very high on my list of all time in person events. My favorite Jordan moment was the first time I saw him play at Chicago Stadium and I will never forget the level of excitement by the fans. Seeing him introduced before the game gave me goose bumps and I was hooked on MJ and the Bulls for the rest of their ride.
Dominique was aptly named the "Human Highlight Reel" ... but when it came to putting out one incredible moment after another -- especially when factoring in the importance of the events involved -- it's impossible to top Jordan's catalog of spectacular and memorable performances IMHO.
Those who appreciate sports greatness, as you and I do, were so fortunate to have gotten to bear witness to it in real time.
That Jordan was a very flawed human being kind of only added to the mystique. Those who dismiss his athletic accomplishments because he was "a bad guy" ... I almost feel sorry for them.
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My son and me in the front row with the double fist pump. 2019, Saturday, birdie at 16.
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Latanna Stone plays the last 2 holes +3 to lose to Anna Davis, a 16 year-old sophomore out of California at the 3rd ANWA
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I agree 100% with your post. I especially agree that MJ's flaws enhanced his mystique and still does today. I saw Jordan multiple times at the Ryder Cup last fall, and he is still bigger than life in many ways. We have been blessed to have seen great tennis players, golfers, football and name a sport over the past fifty years, but Jordan is still the man in my book.
sultan
Is "my book" Ok to say?
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Hans
Great picture and memory.
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Hans
Great picture and memory.
For sure. No sporting event I've attended tops it.
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Cheebs
I hope you and your Dad have a fantastic time. I would have loved to have gone with my Dad, but I know he was there in spirit.
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I’m not saying that because they’re bad people their athletic accomplishments are diminished. They’re not. Tiger is the best I’ve ever seen do it. What it means is I find it impossible to root for the guy. He’s an a hole and has put peoples’ lives at risk multiple times with his decisions to get behind a wheel when he should not have. I can’t root for a guy who does that and I have a hard time understanding how he has the fanfare he does.
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For me, I was growing up and really starting to get into sports during Tiger’s dominance.
In the late 90s/early 00s The Bears, Bulls, Blackhawks, Cubs, and White Sox we’re all awful. Hell even leading up to 08 the only thing I got in my lifetime was one Sox World Series, a Bears Super Bowl and four Bulls championships, which I only slightly remember 98.
That dude was a borderline super hero to me. Like I understand he isn’t a good person, along with Jordan. But those guys really shaped my early sports fandom. Thus, making it nearly impossible to cheer against.
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My son and me in the front row with the double fist pump. 2019, Saturday, birdie at 16.
Cool that you had a bird's-eye view! Great pic, great memory for you and your son.
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I’m not saying that because they’re bad people their athletic accomplishments are diminished. They’re not. Tiger is the best I’ve ever seen do it. What it means is I find it impossible to root for the guy. He’s an a hole and has put peoples’ lives at risk multiple times with his decisions to get behind a wheel when he should not have. I can’t root for a guy who does that and I have a hard time understanding how he has the fanfare he does.
I understand most of your post. Just as I wouldn't suggest that you're wrong to avoid products whose management you don't like, I wouldn't try to suggest who you root for. If you choose not to root for all bad people, I don't blame you, though I'd hope you're consistent about it.
Your last line ... I mean, do you really "have a hard time understanding how he has the fanfare he does"? He is the best ever in his field, and his career played out in front of all of our eyes. It's actually VERY easy to understand how he receives the fanfare he does. Indeed, it would be odd if he didn't receive the fanfare. In America, our high-performing jocks and entertainers are our version of royals.
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The mention of Tiger's reckless behavior and putting lives at risk is definitely a fair conversation and I have no problem with that topic. On the other hand, a grade school friend of mine recently had a horrible tragedy in her life and their compassion brought me to tears. Her younger brother lost his wife late last year in a hit and run accident, with the driver ultimately being caught and having a drinking and driving history. At sentencing last week, the husband and his children asked the court to not sentence the driver to prison, but rather he undergoes a very strict rehab program, stiff probation and prison if he fails at his second chance. Their compassion and love for fellow human beings is something I will never forget.
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The mention of Tiger's reckless behavior and putting lives at risk is definitely a fair conversation and I have no problem with that topic. On the other hand, a grade school friend of mine recently had a horrible tragedy in her life and their compassion brought me to tears. Her younger brother lost his wife late last year in a hit and run accident, with the driver ultimately being caught and having a drinking and driving history. At sentencing last week, the husband and his children asked the court to not sentence the driver to prison, but rather he undergoes a very strict rehab program, stiff probation and prison if he fails at his second chance. Their compassion and love for fellow human beings is something I will never forget.
great story goose! if the driver is able to adhere to the new lease on life stipulations, they may have saved more lives indirectly than the very unfortunate loss of the loved one.
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rocket
And Bias cannot understand how someone can be a Tiger fan. I always love when someone has a bias to their tolerance.
By the way, who do you like in draft kings next week? I need a good week.
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https://nypost.com/2022/04/02/no-shortage-of-intrigue-at-the-2022-masters/
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rocket
And Bias cannot understand how someone can be a Tiger fan. I always love when someone has a bias to their tolerance.
By the way, who do you like in draft kings next week? I need a good week.
But you can't see the difference in your story and Tiger? Tiger's most recent impaired and reckless driving happened well after his comeback and "rebirth". And if many accounts are to be believed, there was significant covering up to make sure what occurred was not fully known.
Thats different than forgiving someone and giving them a strictly moderated second chance.
I understand why people like him. But I also understand why people can't stand him. Both are perfectly justified for myriad reasons. The only people I don't respect are those who say "golf is boring without Tiger". They might as well just be spoonfed whatever Nike wants them to think.
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Wags
Of course not exact apples to apples, but a guy killing a loved one after a history of poor decisions is more extreme than a cover up. My point is only a lot of people, myself included, are not perfect and throwing people away because of poor decisions is not in my thought process. I have no idea if Tiger is more good or bad, but I like to think the best of people. Call my weird.
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Wags
Of course not exact apples to apples, but a guy killing a loved one after a history of poor decisions is more extreme than a cover up. My point is only a lot of people, myself included, are not perfect and throwing people away because of poor decisions is not in my thought process. I have no idea if Tiger is more good or bad, but I like to think the best of people. Call my weird.
I understand what you're saying. But it was good fortune that Tiger didn't kill anybody, and bad fortune the guy in your anecdote did. That's the only difference in the choices they made (or maybe addictions), really.
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All humans are flawed. Except me
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Goose just wants to root for “his guy” guilt free, cause he once gave him joy. Or something. Don’t make him think too much about this.
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My post was only made because another poster could not understand how anyone could be a fan of Tiger. I saw a family that lived tragedy give a multiple offender a new lease on life and I applaud that.
Fluff
Another brilliant post.
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Goose just wants to root for “his guy” guilt free, cause he once gave him joy. Or something. Don’t make him think too much about this.
I love Tiger Woods and know he’s a jag and been a terrible human for most of his life. I hate Phil and know he’s a jag and been a terrible human for most of his life. I’m not looking for guilt free enjoyment.
Looking back, Buzz was a bad dude but I don’t feel guilty rooting for his teams.
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I love Tiger Woods and know he’s a jag and been a terrible human for most of his life. I hate Phil and know he’s a jag and been a terrible human for most of his life. I’m not looking for guilt free enjoyment.
Looking back, Buzz was a bad dude but I don’t feel guilty rooting for his teams.
Neither do I. But Buzz will never be “my guy.” He was just the coach of my alma mater.
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Rico
Seriously, why would you even address the stupidity of that post? I have no idea why someone would want to derail a nice thread on the Masters because he does not like me. It actually is sad, imo.
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Rico
Seriously, why would you even address the stupidity of that post? I have no idea why someone would want to derail a nice thread on the Masters because he does not like me. It actually is sad, imo.
😂😂😂 I don’t like you? I have no idea who you are. 😂😂😂
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fluff
I have zero idea what that post means, but obviously it is a good inside joke in your mind. I’m Joe, by the way. Now you know me.
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fluff
I have zero idea what that post means, but obviously it is a good inside joke in your mind. I’m Joe, by the way. Now you know me.
That’s quite alright Goose.
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fluff
After reading your posts today, I understand why you are an introvert.
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My post was only made because another poster could not understand how anyone could be a fan of Tiger. I saw a family that lived tragedy give a multiple offender a new lease on life and I applaud that.
Understood. Have a good one.
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Who's your pick?
I'm thinking Cameron Smith.
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Solid pick, Muggsy. He is one of a few guys I might put a few bucks on to win the thing.
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But you can't see the difference in your story and Tiger? Tiger's most recent impaired and reckless driving happened well after his comeback and "rebirth". And if many accounts are to be believed, there was significant covering up to make sure what occurred was not fully known.
Thats different than forgiving someone and giving them a strictly moderated second chance.
I understand why people like him. But I also understand why people can't stand him. Both are perfectly justified for myriad reasons. The only people I don't respect are those who say "golf is boring without Tiger". They might as well just be spoonfed whatever Nike wants them to think.
here's the point-who did the cover-up? very fortunate no one else got hurt. he really owes no one an explanation. as far as i'm concerned, tiger has made his amends regarding his past. he has come A LONG WAY. he is still golfs ambassador. without him, golf struggles a little bit. can't wait to see how his son develops. just hope he doesn't have to bear the same pressures.
my follow-up comment to goose' story was made regarding how far he has come sans 2/23/21
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I really enjoy the Drive, chip, putt contest to start the week off. Great storylines and a day that is great for the game. My middle granddaughter turns two next week and going to get her started this summer. I have played well over a thousand rounds with my Dad and kids, looking forward to getting the next generation started.
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I really enjoy the Drive, chip, putt contest to start the week off. Great storylines and a day that is great for the game. My middle granddaughter turns two next week and going to get her started this summer. I have played well over a thousand rounds with my Dad and kids, looking forward to getting the next generation started.
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There’s a little dude from our club 14 year old Cody goetzke from hartland wi great little guy! Good luck at him!
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rocket
That is awesome. I'll be pulling for the kid.
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Who's your pick?
I'm thinking Cameron Smith.
That is a good call. Cameron has played well at Augusta in the past and has a lot of confidence from The Players win.
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I like Cam a lot, he's been one of my favorites for years. I worry about him a little after The Players win, he can get a little distracted. That said, I have two futures bets that would be really nice if he won.
ESPN+ has all the Masters Films up.
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he is still golfs ambassador. without him, golf struggles a little bit. can't wait to see how his son develops. just hope he doesn't have to bear the same pressures.
No he’s not. And he hasn’t been for a long time. Honestly, I’d argue he never was, he was just golf’s greatest marketing piece.
And golf is doing just fine. Money and sponsorships continue to increase. There are waves of new and marketable young stars. The idea that golf needs a guy who has won 1 major in 15 years or it “struggles” is patently false.
Tiger helped save Golf 20+ years ago, I wholeheartedly believe that. But it’s a very different time. ESPN coverage isn’t reality.
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No he’s not. And he hasn’t been for a long time. Honestly, I’d argue he never was, he was just golf’s greatest marketing piece.
And golf is doing just fine. Money and sponsorships continue to increase. There are waves of new and marketable young stars. The idea that golf needs a guy who has won 1 major in 15 years or it “struggles” is patently false.
Tiger helped save Golf 20+ years ago, I wholeheartedly believe that. But it’s a very different time. ESPN coverage isn’t reality.
There isn’t a single golfer that moves the needle like Tiger and it’s not close. Money and sponsorships only go up even more with the mere whiff of Tiger.
The closest thing to Tiger is Spieth and maybe Bryson and they’re still light years away from having the impact Tiger still has on the sport.
If sponsors thought Tiger would play 6-8 times a year, they’d flood in even more. Casual sports fans will watch Augusta regardless but the rest of the year? If Tiger is there, they tune in. If he isn’t, not so much. No athlete dominates his sport like Tiger still does
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am-bas-sa-dor
a person who acts as a representative or promoter of a specified activity
ok, aside from jack, arnie(RIP) maybe gary player, lee trevino, tiger's got to fit within the parameters of ambassador i've got to think
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Tiger says Masters a game time decision
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/masters-2022-tiger-woods-commits-to-playing-augusta-national
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If I’m Tiger, and I actually want to win and not just do a farewell tour. I wouldn’t play the Masters, and focus on St. Andrew’s.
That’s the best shot he will have to win a major, and even those odds are 1 in 1,000,000
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No he’s not. And he hasn’t been for a long time. Honestly, I’d argue he never was, he was just golf’s greatest marketing piece.
I guess it depends on how one defines "ambassador." I tend to agree with you that Jack and Arnold were "ambassadors" -- which I look at as guys who spoke and acted on behalf of the sport after their playing days were done -- but Tiger wasn't much interested in such a role.
As for Tiger being "just golf's marketing piece," I'd argue that he was just golf's greatest player -- and by far its greatest force of nature -- and therefore became the greatest marketing piece.
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I guess it depends on how one defines "ambassador." I tend to agree with you that Jack and Arnold were "ambassadors" -- which I look at as guys who spoke and acted on behalf of the sport after their playing days were done -- but Tiger wasn't much interested in such a role.
As for Tiger being "just golf's marketing piece," I'd argue that he was just golf's greatest player -- and by far its greatest force of nature -- and therefore became the greatest marketing piece.
I agree with this analysis
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If I’m Tiger, and I actually want to win and not just do a farewell tour. I wouldn’t play the Masters, and focus on St. Andrew’s.
That’s the best shot he will have to win a major, and even those odds are 1 in 1,000,000
The problem with St. Andrews is the weather. How's his body going to feel if it is typical Scotland conditions? Very different than Jupiter, Florida.
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I guess it depends on how one defines "ambassador." I tend to agree with you that Jack and Arnold were "ambassadors" -- which I look at as guys who spoke and acted on behalf of the sport after their playing days were done -- but Tiger wasn't much interested in such a role.
As for Tiger being "just golf's marketing piece," I'd argue that he was just golf's greatest player -- and by far its greatest force of nature -- and therefore became the greatest marketing piece.
Yea that’s sort of where I was with it. Jack and Arnie had very different post-playing influences. That’s just not Tiger’s personality.
And I’m not underselling his ability or prime, he was incredible and media latched onto that. It’s just different
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all points well taken
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That’s genuinely an amazing thing that someone was forgiving enough to ask for a more lenient penalty and the opportunity for someone to turn their life around after losing a loved one. That takes a special kind of person and a lot of strength and courage. There was a college baseball player whose mother was killed in the church shooting that was attempting to start a race war years ago in South Carolina. The next day he went in front of TV cameras, knowing he was 18 and now had to raise his 2 younger siblings while also being a D1 student athlete, and forgave the shooter. Then he led a peace walk of thousands. Amazing people in this world.
That doesn’t mean that all drunk drivers or murderers should be forgiven or can’t be disliked for their violations. I know I’m not judge or jury, let alone both. I know I’m not the gatekeeper to heaven. But I can’t find it in myself to root for someone like Tiger on a golf course or Koby on a basketball court or Tyreke Hill on a football field. I’m not dumb enough to think every athlete I root for is a perfect citizen, but if I found out any of them did something like those guys I’d stop rooting for them right away. There are things I can turn a blind eye to, and there are other things I can’t.
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Bias
We might not agree on a lot of topics, but I respect your thoughts and post on the topic. I also agree that there are amazing people in this world.
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That’s genuinely an amazing thing that someone was forgiving enough to ask for a more lenient penalty and the opportunity for someone to turn their life around after losing a loved one. That takes a special kind of person and a lot of strength and courage. There was a college baseball player whose mother was killed in the church shooting that was attempting to start a race war years ago in South Carolina. The next day he went in front of TV cameras, knowing he was 18 and now had to raise his 2 younger siblings while also being a D1 student athlete, and forgave the shooter. Then he led a peace walk of thousands. Amazing people in this world.
That doesn’t mean that all drunk drivers or murderers should be forgiven or can’t be disliked for their violations. I know I’m not judge or jury, let alone both. I know I’m not the gatekeeper to heaven. But I can’t find it in myself to root for someone like Tiger on a golf course or Koby on a basketball court or Tyreke Hill on a football field. I’m not dumb enough to think every athlete I root for is a perfect citizen, but if I found out any of them did something like those guys I’d stop rooting for them right away. There are things I can turn a blind eye to, and there are other things I can’t.
great story
the 2nd paragraph is an excellent example of an opinion that we should all respect regardless if one finds a commonality or not.
question-what did koby and tyreke do?
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In 2015, a white supremacist named Dylann Roof walked into a Black church outside of Charleston, pretended to pray with the congregants, pulled out a gun and killed nine human beings.
At the bond hearing, shooting survivors and relatives of five of the victims spoke to Roof directly, saying that they were "praying for his soul" and forgave him.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/familes-of-charleston-church-shooting-victims-to-dylann-roof--we--forgive-you-185833509.html
I admit that I probably would not have been so forgiving of a person so filled with hate and bigotry.
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Maybe Morikawa gets his 3rd? He doesn't seem to be in form right now.
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In 2015, a white supremacist named Dylann Roof walked into a Black church outside of Charleston, pretended to pray with the congregants, pulled out a gun and killed nine human beings.
At the bond hearing, shooting survivors and relatives of five of the victims spoke to Roof directly, saying that they were "praying for his soul" and forgave him.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/familes-of-charleston-church-shooting-victims-to-dylann-roof--we--forgive-you-185833509.html
I admit that I probably would not have been so forgiving of a person so filled with hate and bigotry.
Yes, that is the same shooting that the baseball player followed it up with by forgiving the shooter basically immediately. Impressive young man.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=263421091746196
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Maybe Morikawa gets his 3rd? He doesn't seem to be in form right now.
Morikawa is elite level with irons which is necessary at Augusta, if he can put respectably he should be in thick of it .
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https://twitter.com/brendanporath/status/1511075525301010432?s=21&t=Rgq5PDygyuINzI77Ds7YFw
The needle
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All accounts of the last two days are that Tiger has played outstanding.
There’s also no way he’d have shown up to Augusta for practice rounds unless he knew he was in top form and going to play.
Can his body hold up for four rounds walking is the question.
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All accounts of the last two days are that Tiger has played outstanding.
There’s also no way he’d have shown up to Augusta for practice rounds unless he knew he was in top form and going to play.
Can his body hold up for four rounds walking is the question.
Id be curious what "outstanding" means and is compared to. Again, him being in shape to play is remarkable, but its just trying to cut through Tiger-related pomp and hype to reality. Aka...
https://twitter.com/brendanporath/status/1511075525301010432?s=21&t=Rgq5PDygyuINzI77Ds7YFw
The needle
Within the first 5-10 responses there is "oh he's gonna be contending!" "He's absolutely gonna be a threat this weekend".
He's older than Jack in '86 and Jack was playing at a relatively high level in the years leading up to that, without a mangled back and a major car wreck. And his win was still remarkable and unlikely.
The narrative is just so consistently ridiculous and inflated that people honestly think he's gonna contend every time he tees up.
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All accounts of the last two days are that Tiger has played outstanding.
There’s also no way he’d have shown up to Augusta for practice rounds unless he knew he was in top form and going to play.
Can his body hold up for four rounds walking is the question.
Thats my thought too.
Unless theres a setback in these practice rounds. Gotta think he plays. He aint coming out to play a couple practice rounds and not play in the Masters.
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Count me in the camp, that if Tiger decides to play, he will be in contention come Sunday Afternoon.
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Count me in the camp, that if Tiger decides to play, he will be in contention come Sunday Afternoon.
We're aware Herm. Tiger could be 75 in a wheelchair and you'd still label him a force in whatever major was upcoming.
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The top 10 players in the world are quaking in their boots. They've been so intimidated by Tiger this last decade, which is why he's won so many majors.
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We're aware Herm. Tiger could be 75 in a wheelchair and you'd still label him a force in whatever major was upcoming.
Here is an interesting article with a lot of good comments from Freddy Couples on Tiger . Also Webb Simpson says if Tiger plays he will contend as well.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/33671674/fred-couples-optimistic-tiger-woods-play-masters-their-practice-round-augusta-national
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Here is an interesting article with a lot of good comments from Freddy Couples on Tiger . Also Webb Simpson says if Tiger plays he will contend as well.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/33671674/fred-couples-optimistic-tiger-woods-play-masters-their-practice-round-augusta-national
Well Couples is one of Tiger's very good friends and Webb Simpson is on the record as being a big Tiger fanboy, so not exactly fair and balanced reporting there.
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Here is an interesting article with a lot of good comments from Freddy Couples on Tiger . Also Webb Simpson says if Tiger plays he will contend as well.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/33671674/fred-couples-optimistic-tiger-woods-play-masters-their-practice-round-augusta-national
What do you think they would say?
Tiger is a golf legend. No golfer is gonna go out and say "If Tiger plays this weekend I think hes gonna suck". Hell Koepka wouldnt even say that about Bryson.
Nothing interesting about that. A couple guys being positive about a golf icon. Expected.
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Interviewer: "What do you expect from Tiger if he decides to play? Can he actually contend?"
Golfer: "That's hilarious. He can't play, and if he somehow does he'll be a joke. I hope he plays. It will be great to watch him trip over his d---."
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At work I was told to cut footage today off Tiger’s range session for a show.
Not a practice round, a range session. I know a lot of people here poke fun at the prospect of Tiger playing but there is nobody in the history of sports who garners as much attention as Tiger has.
Maybe Ali comes close, but Tiger is so impactful. Even at 46 with a noticeable limp.
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Interviewer: "What do you expect from Tiger if he decides to play? Can he actually contend?"
Golfer: "That's hilarious. He can't play, and if he somehow does he'll be a joke. I hope he plays. It will be great to watch him trip over his d---."
With all dem broads on his arm, itz likely Tigger has a very long johnson, orr an even thicker wallet, boychik, aina?
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I do not think anyone in Tiger's inner circle, guys like Freddie, are going to throw out false expectations on his game. He is one of the most guarded, protected and calculating athletes I have ever seen and tries hard to create low expectations. I would be shocked if Freddie was throwing out inflated praise three days before a major if it was not accurate. Now, if it was a practice round in Florida I could see some false praise, but not the week of The Masters.
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With all dem broads on his arm, itz likely Tigger has a very long johnson, orr an even thicker wallet, boychik, aina?
Certain women are attracted to Money Fame and Danger . Tiger has all three . He is notoriously cheap , by his own admission, so ……
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At work I was told to cut footage today off Tiger’s range session for a show.
Not a practice round, a range session. I know a lot of people here poke fun at the prospect of Tiger playing but there is nobody in the history of sports who garners as much attention as Tiger has.
Nobody is poking fun at the prospect of him playing, they are poking fun at the assumption that Tiger is going to contend/win every tournament, much less major, he enters.
I do not think anyone in Tiger's inner circle, guys like Freddie, are going to throw out false expectations on his game. He is one of the most guarded, protected and calculating athletes I have ever seen and tries hard to create low expectations. I would be shocked if Freddie was throwing out inflated praise three days before a major if it was not accurate. Now, if it was a practice round in Florida I could see some false praise, but not the week of The Masters.
Nobody is putting out false expectations. Couples is just complimenting his good friend. In fluff comments prior to his grand return from injury to the Masters. This isn't 2005. Nobody is keeping Tiger info close to the vest to throw off his competition.
But sure, if you think a limping broken close to 50 Tiger is going to magically dominate Augusta, then put on your red polo and be a giddy fan boy. I guess the rest of us are just biased haters.
Feels like 2020 when Tiger was 3 back after Thursday and everyone said it was over. BACK TO BACK BABY ITS COMING. And he finished 20 shots back.
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Nobody is poking fun at the prospect of him playing, they are poking fun at the assumption that Tiger is going to contend/win every tournament, much less major, he enters.
Nobody is putting out false expectations. Couples is just complimenting his good friend. In fluff comments prior to his grand return from injury to the Masters. This isn't 2005. Nobody is keeping Tiger info close to the vest to throw off his competition.
But sure, if you think a limping broken close to 50 Tiger is going to magically dominate Augusta, then put on your red polo and be a giddy fan boy. I guess the rest of us are just biased haters.
Feels like 2020 when Tiger was 3 back after Thursday and everyone said it was over. BACK TO BACK BABY ITS COMING. And he finished 20 shots back.
Realistically, just teeing it up is a win as far as I’m concerned and I’m a cat fan.
Making the cut would be even more wild than I could have imagined entering the year.
Contending is the stuff of dreams and Hogan but anyone expecting it because he’s Tiger must not remember his first comeback in 2010 and then 2018. He doesn’t just show up after not playing comepetive golf for 18 months and instantly contend
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Rico
I am with you on expectations. Him playing is a win and making the cut is a bigger win. My earlier post had nothing to do with Tiger and his team trying to create a competitive advantage, but rather, they likely do not want any crazy expectations being thrown out there. IMO, Freddie saying he could possibly contend was surprising to me. Tiger always seems to set the bar of outperform, but who knows.
I will follow some of Wags advice and definitely will be an interested fan boy. Now, if he plays well, I could turn a bit giddy watching on the weekend.
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My two picks are:
Cameron Smith
Tony Finau (,just a gut feeling)
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Rico
I am with you on expectations. Him playing is a win and making the cut is a bigger win. My earlier post had nothing to do with Tiger and his team trying to create a competitive advantage, but rather, they likely do not want any crazy expectations being thrown out there. IMO, Freddie saying he could possibly contend was surprising to me. Tiger always seems to set the bar of outperform, but who knows.
I will follow some of Wags advice and definitely will be an interested fan boy. Now, if he plays well, I could turn a bit giddy watching on the weekend.
If he gets into contention, the haters are going to need to find a cave to avoid Tiger mania
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This article has detailed comments from Tiger about his proposed return to the Masters .
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/masters-2022-tiger-woods-updates-augusta-status?utm_medium=email&utm_source=040522&utm_campaign=breakingnews&utm_content=DM26724&uuid=85f898e378d547f4aa114b5572e1ddc5
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What kind of rental car y’all think he’ll be cruising in with?
Something sturdy and can take a good walloping…maybe one of those 1970’s caddylacs? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Rory says he feels less pressure to win The Masters this year
https://nypost.com/2022/04/05/rory-mcilroy-feeling-less-pressure-to-win-masters-grand-slam/
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Rory says he feels less pressure to win The Masters this year
https://nypost.com/2022/04/05/rory-mcilroy-feeling-less-pressure-to-win-masters-grand-slam/
Sure, Rors
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Some comments from Rory on Tiger . Loves that he is in the tournament .Basically says the game is there but can Tiger walk 72 holes
https://news.yahoo.com/rory-mcilroy-praises-tiger-woods-121250362.html
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More from Freddy on Tiger .
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/tiger-woods-ready-masters-fred-couples-practice-holes/story?id=83912861
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Thunderstorms this morning delayed the start by 30 minutes . If the greens are soft Tiger could get some early birdies
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Huh ... the rumors I heard turned out to be true ... there's more than 1 golfer participating in the Masters.
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Thunderstorms this morning delayed the start by 30 minutes . If the greens are soft Tiger could get some early birdies
Probably no one else. Just give him the green jacket
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Tiger poofed his first drive. Stick a fork in him
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Tiger poofed his first drive. Stick a fork in him
Lol
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Tiger stuck it close on 6. Start measuring for The Jacket.
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I have to say, this is a much better start than I expected. The true test will be as he puts more stress on the leg. However, there’s been a number of majors where he’s already put himself in a hole by this point.
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We'll see if he can bounce back from that on the 8th. Should have had a putt for a birdie and the lead and instead he drops a shot.
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Terrible bogey on 8, one of the easiest holes in the world. Have to think Tiger is regretting his decision to play
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Terrible bogey on 8, one of the easiest holes in the world. Have to think Tiger is regretting his decision to play
He's only 3 back, his victory all but assured at this point. The field hasn't even started quaking and crumbling from his presence yet. Given the reaction this week, I expect a minimum of -3 from Amen Corner today
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He's only 3 back, his victory all but assured at this point. The field hasn't even started quaking and crumbling from his presence yet. Given the reaction this week, I expect a minimum of -3 from Amen Corner today
Niemann is flustered playing with him
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Terrible bogey on 8, one of the easiest holes in the world. Have to think Tiger is regretting his decision to play
seriously? after 8 holes? you must not know the game nor the mind of a golfer very well
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Tiger shoots 71 despite super soft conditions. How he didn’t go lower will probably haunt him all weekend
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Tiger with a solid -1 for the day. He will only get better from here . Tomorrow lots of wind which plays to his ball striking strength .
Continue to have confidence Tiger will be in contention in the back nine on Sunday
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Tiger with a solid -1 for the day. He will only get better from here . Tomorrow lots of wind which plays to his ball striking strength .
Continue to have confidence Tiger will be in contention in the back nine on Sunday
Only “in contention”? Oh ye of little faith to not say he’ll win by at least 5 strokes!!
Seriously, even throwing out the accident and injuries, scoring -1 after a 500-day layoff at age 46 is pretty darn good.
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Only “in contention”? Oh ye of little faith to not say he’ll win by at least 5 strokes!!
Seriously, even throwing out the accident and injuries, scoring -1 after a 500-day layoff at age 46 is pretty darn good.
Not really.
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Not really.
Well, he obviously wasn’t as impressive as you and I usually are on the course, but I thought he did ok.
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Well, he obviously wasn’t as impressive as you and I usually are on the course, but I thought he did ok.
With as soft and windy as it was and what an advantage it gives him, anything less than a 62 was bad IMO
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Well written article on Tiger Day 1. Captured the essence of the round.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/33691779/masters-2022-tiger-woods-does-not-look-ready-play-old-man
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With as soft and windy as it was and what an advantage it gives him, anything less than a 62 was bad IMO
I'm surprised the scores aren't lower.
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I'm surprised the scores aren't lower.
It’s playing longer because of all the rain but the greens are still running fast, so longer shots into really hard greens. Can tell guys are confused by the speed based on how many are missing the entire hole on some short putts. They’ll get harder tomorrow with the wind and be hard Saturday because of the cold weather. “Soft” conditions will be gone the next two days. Be surprising to see anyone run away the next few days. Sunday looks pristine
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It’s playing longer because of all the rain but the greens are still running fast, so longer shots into really hard greens. Can tell guys are confused by the speed based on how many are missing the entire hole on some short putts. They’ll get harder tomorrow with the wind and be hard Saturday because of the cold weather. “Soft” conditions will be gone the next two days. Be surprising to see anyone run away the next few days. Sunday looks pristine
Well I see that my pick, Cameron Smith, doubled the 1st and the 18th!! WTF? Inexcusable. :)
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Well I see that my pick, Cameron Smith, doubled the 1st and the 18th!! WTF? Inexcusable. :)
18 was sloppy. Bad tee shot, punch out, weak approach, real bad 3-putt
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18 was sloppy. Bad tee shot, punch out, weak approach, real bad 3-putt
Ughhh.
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Ughhh.
He was flushing it for a good stretch
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He was flushing it for a good stretch
That's his game. He's capable of hitting darts and is usually a great putter. It's like archery golf.
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I was very impressed by Joaquin Niemann. The young guy really hits the ball well and he can shape his shots high/low and left/right. Will be interesting to see if he can put together another good round tomorrow.
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nieman can be quietly sneaky good. watching hovland and zalatoris. waiting for patrick to bust out of his slump
+2 projected cut line wouldn't be surprised to see that go to +3
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nieman can be quietly sneaky good. watching hovland and zalatoris. waiting for patrick to bust out of his slump
+2 projected cut line wouldn't be surprised to see that go to +3
Reed? Slump? His big money deal with the PXG driver is what is holding him back.
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augusta is a bad bad course...i mean nasty. as of right now, the golfers combined scores of those playing at the moment(9:42am) are 36 above par. 38 golfers
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The early players could have a big advantage today. The wind is supposed to really pick up.
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The early players could have a big advantage today. The wind is supposed to really pick up.
Sets up for Tiger. No one plays in the wind better
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Sets up for Tiger. No one plays in the wind better
With his opponents legs weak from his mere presence, they may blow right off the course.
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With his opponents legs weak from his mere presence, they may blow right off the course.
Heard Niemann has been vomiting all morning in fear
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here's the point-who did the cover-up? very fortunate no one else got hurt. he really owes no one an explanation. as far as i'm concerned, tiger has made his amends regarding his past. he has come A LONG WAY. he is still golfs ambassador. without him, golf struggles a little bit. can't wait to see how his son develops. just hope he doesn't have to bear the same pressures.
my follow-up comment to goose' story was made regarding how far he has come sans 2/23/21
Hopefully better than the Nicklaus kids did. (and with the exception of Gary, better at being a good person too).
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I could do without a leaderboard that includes that clown Danny Willett
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Cut currently 4 over
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Might take that Tiger missing the cut live action
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+4 through 5.
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If you're not aware, the coverage on masters.com has been outstanding.
You can watch up to 4 live streams at once, from different groups or holes. You can follow your favorite players and go back and watch every shot they've taken on every hole with interactive maps, scorecards, and leaderboards. You get a customized feed based on the players you decide to follow. And the best part, no ads, no login required.
Simply put, this raises the bar for how to watch golf, or any sport for that matter.
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+4 through 5.
We’re on 80 watch. Hoping he beats Langer
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If you're not aware, the coverage on masters.com has been outstanding.
You can watch 4 live streams at once, from different groups or holes. You can follow your favorite players and go back and see every shot on every hole with interactive maps, scorecards, and leaderboards. You get a customized feed based on the players you decide to follow. And the best part, no ads, no login required.
Simply put, this raises the bar for how to watch golf, or any sport.
It's fantastic if you want to follow while you work -- especially if you're following just one golfer. Just leave the window running in the background and click it whenever you hear the audio kick in.
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Tiger +3 for the tournament through 5. These are just minor transitional issues he is having adjusting to his new body and swing. Should have it corrected by the end of the round.
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It's fantastic if you want to follow while you work -- especially if you're following just one golfer. Just leave the window running in the background and click it whenever you hear the audio kick in.
Exactly. Even if you have to focus on something else for a while and miss something, you can just go back and watch it.
"Oh man Morikawa made birdie on 16? Time to queue up his tee shot from that hole."
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Tiger +3 for the tournament through 5. These are just minor transitional issues he is having adjusting to his new body and swing. Should have it corrected by the end of the round.
He should have done that before the tournament.
What happened to the wind helping him?
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He should have done that before the tournament.
What happened to the wind helping him?
Missing 5 footers certainly isn't doing him any favors.
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Tiger +3 for the tournament through 5. These are just minor transitional issues he is having adjusting to his new body and swing. Should have it corrected by the end of the round.
Should we hold off on the measurements for the green jacket?
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Should we hold off on the measurements for the green jacket?
3 par 5s coming up. Several Opportunities for Tiger to get back in position
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3 par 5s coming up. Several Opportunities for Tiger to get back in position
Especially with the wind. That works to his advantage
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Especially with the wind. That works to his advantage
Birdied 8. Just stiffed it at 10. Getting some momentum going.
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Birdied 8. Just stiffed it at 10. Getting some momentum going.
Momentum isn’t real
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Sheffler has a real chance to get a 3 stroke lead by the end of the day. I think anyone E or better has to feel pretty good. I see Morikawa has put himself in a solid position.
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Birdied 8. Just stiffed it at 10. Getting some momentum going.
And then immediately made another bogey at 11.
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And then immediately made another bogey at 11.
Bogeys 12. All the momentum is gone but Niemann is 6 clear of him
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Sheffler has a real chance to get a 3 stroke lead by the end of the day. I think anyone E or better has to feel pretty good. I see Morikawa has put himself in a solid position.
Amen Corner is a tough stretch. 2 bogeys on 11 and 12 for Tiger. He can recover with an eagle on 13
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Amen Corner is a tough stretch. 2 bogeys on 11 and 12 for Tiger. He can recover with an eagle on 13
Back-to-back birdies work, too
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Scheffler is insane.
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Tiger choked on 15. Moment was too big
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Sheffler is shredding this course on a difficult day. Perhaps he took exception to me not picking him in my top 2? Look out if he gets to the clubhouse -7 or -8. He has an unflappable quality to his game.
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Tiger choked on 15. Moment was too big
That was a brutal bump and run Uncle R.
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That was a brutal bump and run Uncle R.
Yeah, Augusta greens are hard
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Choked on 16, too.
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Uhhh....the field has big probs if Scheffy gets this to -8.
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Uhhh....the field has big probs if Sheffy gets this to -8.
It’s going to be cold tomorrow. I expect Tiger to shoot a 64 or 65 and take advantage of the conditions. It really benefits him with it being cold
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It’s going to be cold tomorrow. I expect Tiger to shoot a 64 or 65 and take advantage of the conditions. It really benefits him with it being cold
Not happening.
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Not happening.
I think he’ll eagle all the par-5’s
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A LOT of big names missing the cut-
spieth, dechambeau, koepka, schauffele, rose, woodland
i only mention matt wolff because he was +15...sand lyle is ?? years old and was at +14, bernhard langer +8
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I think he’ll eagle all the par-5’s
Scheffler has easy power Uncle R. He's destroying the P5's. This very well could be over.
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Scheffler has easy power Uncle R. He's destroying the P5's. This very well could be over.
He ain't gonna win.
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I think he’ll eagle all the par-5’s
Albatross on #2
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Scheffler has easy power Uncle R. He's destroying the P5's. This very well could be over.
He can’t handle the cold like Tiger. Advantage is huge for Tiger on this
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Albatross on #2
He’ll ace 16, too.
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He ain't gonna win.
Tomorrow is likely going to be crazy tough. We'll see how he handles it.
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He ain't gonna win.
You may be right, but why are you so quick to write off the world #1 who has been on fire in 2022 and who has a 5 shot lead?
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Tiger has been an awesome surprise. Top 20 through two rounds exceeds all my expectations. Competing with everyone but Scheffler. He left some strokes out there on the back 9 too.
Was feeling good about my Cam future until SS went bonkers.
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Tiger finished the round well after a tough start to the day. This is the Masters where they will set up the course hard on Saturday, so a lot of players are in contention. Then they set up the back nine on Sunday easy for Drama.
All Tiger needs to do is have a solid day Saturday and get into Red Numbers. Cool and windy weather makes for tougher playing conditions, which is perfect for Tiger.
Lots of big names on the Leaderboard. So outside of Tiger there will be many fun players to watch.
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Kisner and Tiger is one hell of a pairing.
Ratings dream for the network
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Kisner and Tiger is one hell of a pairing.
Ratings dream for the network
One of the more interesting pairings is Dustin Johnson and Kevin Na
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Tiger finished the round well after a tough start to the day. This is the Masters where they will set up the course hard on Saturday, so a lot of players are in contention. Then they set up the back nine on Sunday easy for Drama.
All Tiger needs to do is have a solid day Saturday and get into Red Numbers. Cool and windy weather makes for tougher playing conditions, which is perfect for Tiger.
Lots of big names on the Leaderboard. So outside of Tiger there will be many fun players to watch.
Actually, the cold is terrible for Tiger since his injuries and it wasn’t perfect for him today as he lost 9 spots and is now 9 back instead of 3. Other than that, spot on
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Actually, the cold is terrible for Tiger since his injuries and it wasn’t perfect for him today as he lost 9 spots and is now 9 back instead of 3. Other than that, spot on
I was going by what Tiger said in the interview. He said he was looking forward to the cold conditions and firm and fast course set up. I agree that it may not be the best for his back.
As to how many shots back, what Tiger has always said, is it is how many players are in front of him. Right now, even after a less than stellar score, there are still only 18 ahead.
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I was going by what Tiger said in the interview. He said he was looking forward to the cold conditions and firm and fast course set up. I agree that it may not be the best for his back.
As to how many shots back, what Tiger has always said, is it is how many players are in front of him. Right now, even after a less than stellar score, there are still only 18 ahead.
Either way, the jacket measurements are not happening.
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You may be right, but why are you so quick to write off the world #1 who has been on fire in 2022 and who has a 5 shot lead?
Probably from watching a lot of Saturdays and Sundays at Augusta.
It was just a flip comment, but I will be surprised if he holds on. If he is still up at least 3 after tomorrow, I was probably wrong.
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Probably from watching a lot of Saturdays and Sundays at Augusta.
It was just a flip comment, but I will be surprised if he holds on. If he is still up at least 3 after tomorrow, I was probably wrong.
We'll know tomorrow if Scheffy will be caught. Sunday looks like a perfect weather day although the greens will be super fast. I just don't see a lot of low scores tomorrow so it's really about whether Scheffler goes +2 minimum imo.
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I do enjoy when the scores aren’t super low for majors.
Tough conditions, and a -5, over 72 holes feels about right for major tournaments.
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Interesting piece in the NYT about the current golf landscape:
Older Players on the PGA Tour Are Looking Over Their Shoulders
A week ago, the top five players in the men’s world golf rankings were under 30 years old for the first time since the rankings began in 1986.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/21/sports/golf/valspar-chamionship.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220409&instance_id=58084&nl=the-morning®i_id=108420427&segment_id=88004&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
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Watching him walk on the first green, I don’t think Tiger finishes this round.
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Watching him walk on the first green, I don’t think Tiger finishes this round.
He’s just setting up the competetion
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I don't see a single red score among those who have played mote than 5 holes.
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Tiger’s double at 5 was brilliant strategy
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Tiger’s double at 5 was brilliant strategy
C'mon, man ... it's chilly!
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I honestly hope Scheffler brings everyone back. Lowry could make a run?
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I honestly hope Scheffler brings everyone back. Lowry could make a run?
Lowrey is a fun player to watch. He should be used to playing in lousy weather.
Tiger with some follies on the 5th. He will get a little run going later to make up for that faux pas.
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I honestly hope Scheffler brings everyone back. Lowry could make a run?
I love watching Sunday rounds of tightly-contested major championships, but I'm pretty bored by guys winning by a bazillion strokes. So I also hope somebody makes a run today and Scheffler cooperates by not being so darn good!
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Tiger shooting 39 on the front was a bold strategy given his distinct advantage in the cold and win
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Tiger shooting 39 on the front was a bold strategy given his distinct advantage in the cold and win
I can't believe you're giving up on Tiger just because he's a 46-year-old guy with numerous physical ailments who is trailing the leader by a mere 13 strokes.
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I love watching Sunday rounds of tightly-contested major championships, but I'm pretty bored by guys winning by a bazillion strokes. So I also hope somebody makes a run today and Scheffler cooperates by not being so darn good!
Still a lot of golf but not exactly great for the field that he's-2 through 3.
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Tiger could be within 15 if he birdies 12
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Scheffler isnt losing
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Scheffler isnt losing
It's really easy to 3 putt so it's definitely not over. The question is can someone post a round in the 60's among the 2nd tier?
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If Tiger shoots 59 tomorrow, he can still win
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If Tiger shoots 59 tomorrow, he can still win
He might need a 56.
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If Tiger shoots 59 tomorrow, he can still win
But what about the back 9?
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Huge swing there. It's gonna be super tough to catch Scheffler now.
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The body gave out on Tiger today. Don't think that is fixable going forward.
I am excited about all the other players competing. Looking forward to an exciting final round.
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Hmmmm. Maybe Cam Smoth has a chance tomorrow?
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Hmmmm. Maybe Cam Smoth has a chance tomorrow?
Cam is in the perfect position. In the final group and coming from behind. Winning the Players had to give him a lot of confidence going into tomorrow.
That said, Scheffler still scored under par today, so he is going to be one tough customer.
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If Tiger shoots 59 tomorrow, he can still win
He's got everyone right where he wants them.
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Apparently Tiger's iron set that he used to win 4 majors was sold at auction for 5 million. Uhhh.....wow just wow. They were bought for 58K in 2010. WTF?
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Apparently Tiger's iron set that he used to win 4 majors was sold at auction for 5 million. Uhhh.....wow just wow. They were bought for 58K in 2010. WTF?
Are you really surprised?
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Are you really surprised?
Yes. 5m is insane Fluffy.
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Yes. 5m is insane Fluffy.
Then you haven’t been paying attention to the collectibles market.
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Then you haven’t been paying attention to the collectibles market.
Mainly since the pandemic. I buy and sell baseball cards - mostly Topps from 50s and 60s.
To say prices have skyrocketed is an understatement
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I haven't followed the sports memorabilia market. Is there a list of things going for 5m somewhere?
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i forgot about this regarding the masters-
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walk/no running
no cellphone pics
no backpacks
no autographs
use proper terminology-patrons NOT fans
first nine & second nine NOT front or back
bring our badge NOT your ticket
do not sit on the grass-use chairs w/o arm rests(not enough room)
you can leave your chair for the day in a spot and NO ONE will touch it
NO heckling or shouting
surprised abouit shouting as i've heard a few and that's a "NO-NO"
also the prices for food and beverages are crazy low considering the event-
coffee and water are $1, pimento & cheese samich-$1.50
no idea beer, wine and liquor
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Sounds boring.
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Muggsy
$5m is an insane amount for this auction. It is over 9 times higher than the previous highest priced golf auction. In addition, I believe it 4-5 times higher than expected sales price.
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Herman,
Can we still get the jacket fitting for Tiger going???
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Muggsy
$5m is an insane amount for this auction. It is over 9 times higher than the previous highest priced golf auction. In addition, I believe it 4-5 times higher than expected sales price.
Ty Goose. It sounded beyond insane to me.
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Their appears to be a low score out there today. I think it's probably an 85% chance it's between the top 3 but you never know if someone like Thomas or Lowry shoot a 65.
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Herman,
Can we still get the jacket fitting for Tiger going???
The Tailor will be there next year 😎
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If I had the money, it would be an incredible piece to own.
I think only the Scotty would be more sought after than the Tiger Slam irons.
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If I had the money, it would be an incredible piece to own.
I think only the Scotty would be more sought after than the Tiger Slam irons.
I'd snag a small Van Gogh.
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Things we've learned re Tiger:
1. He clearly isn't ready to play 72 competitive holes against a great field on a challenging course. He needs his body to heal more, and he needs to be in better golf shape.
2. No matter how great, golfers don't just show up after having not played competitively for 500+ days, and then contend for a major championship. It was just plain silly to think Tiger could be high on the Masters leaderboard against a great field of golfers who are at the top of their games.
3. There are a LOT of great young golfers out there who hit it as far (or farther) than Tiger does, who have as good (or better) short games, and who putt as well (or better) than he does.
4. And while those younger, outstanding players respect Tiger Woods a ton, they do not fear him at all. I'm guessing that they relish the idea of beating him, and they're 100% sure they can do it ... even though none of them would ever say it like that.
5. Tiger is still capable of making incredible shots, and even putting together a good round. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he could win again. Phil won the PGA last year at 50 - and a motivated, healthy Tiger is better than Phil.
6. But it's pretty crazy to think Tiger can beat a great field 4 more times and pass Jack's record of 18 majors.
7. "I hit it well. I just didn't putt well." Welcome to the club, Tiger. Golfers, from all-time greats to duffers, have made similar laments since golf was invented. And here's the deal: Putting doesn't get easier as you get older.
8. As of right now - which is right as Tiger putted out on 18 Sunday - I have only kind of watched this year's Masters. I never watched it on my computer or phone (so I didn't see it before it came on ESPN on Thu or Fri), and when I did have it on the TV, it was only on in the background. Despite that, I must have heard the announcers say some version of "No matter how he plays, this is a victory for Tiger. It's a miracle that he's even able to walk!" 20 times.
9. Watching Tiger on Sat and Sun felt kind of like watching McCartney or Jagger or any other legendary but past-his-prime performer. His walk up 18 today had the feel of Jack taking his last walk at the Old Course. Until Tiger seriously contends for something again, he's little more than an oldies act.
10. Tiger has said 1,000 times that winning is all that matters, particularly majors, so why should anybody else have a lower standard of excellence for him? I'm glad that he survived his accident and glad that he can walk a course for 72 holes ... but ultimately ... so what? Ya gotta win to be TIGER!
11. Don't take gambling tips from Freddie or J.T. They are two of Tiger's best friends. What were they - or any other golfer - supposed to say when asked if they thought he could contend?
OK, now to watch Scheffler and Smith go at it. I do love the final round of a closely contested major!
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To be able to walk 25-30 miles over 4 days was an unbelievable accomplishment for Tiger. To be able to compete at the highest level was even better.
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Great start for Cam Smith. Scheffler better wake up the next few holes.
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Oh.....boy. Scheffy needs to calm down. And in a hurry.
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Oh.....boy. Scheffy needs to calm down. And in a hurry.
When I said Scheffler was gonna lose, I thought he would get caught late on Sunday and not have time to recover. Now that he’s been caught early, he has plenty of time to recover and I think he has a solid chance to win.
A close match makes it a lot easier to concentrate.
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Was able to hedge my Smith future with SS dropping shots early. Looking good unless Im or Lowry makes a big charge.
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When I said Scheffler was gonna lose, I thought he would get caught late on Sunday and not have time to recover. Now that he’s been caught early, he has plenty of time to recover and I think he has a solid chance to win.
A close match makes it a lot easier to concentrate.
He just got a ginormous break but did not take advantage. Big probs for the young man Jockey.
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Oh.....boy. Scheffy needs to calm down. And in a hurry.
I enjoyed watching Cam at The Players , he is a cool cat
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OMG!!
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In-freaking-credible. You talk about a swing? Wow.
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I honestly think if this were any major other than the Masters, Tiger wouldn’t have been playing.
Hoping for a fun end to the tournament. Getting to go Monday and Tuesday was a dream come true. Totally lived up to the hype and then some.
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That shot by Scottie broke Smith.
How the fu ck did he watch at amazing shot go in and then immediately try the one he did?
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That shot by Scottie broke Smith.
How the fu ck did he watch at amazing shot go in and then immediately try the one he did?
You mean the pitch shot or the tee shot on 4? The shot on 4 was an awful decision. .
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You mean the pitch shot or the tee shot on 4? The shot on 4 was an awful decision. .
The pitch shot after watching exactly what worked for Scottie. Smiths shot had a literal 0% chance of any success. It was almost like he was trying to swish a 3/4 court shot at the buzzer
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When I said Scheffler was gonna lose, I thought he would get caught late on Sunday and not have time to recover. Now that he’s been caught early, he has plenty of time to recover and I think he has a solid chance to win.
A close match makes it a lot easier to concentrate.
So you’re predicting Scottie will not win and predicting Scottie will win?
Way to cover your bases.
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The pitch shot after watching exactly what worked for Scottie. Smiths shot had a literal 0% chance of any success. It was almost like he was trying to swish a 3/4 court shot at the buzzer
Fair point. And he also watched the 2md shot of Scheffler on 3 and did the same thing. Very bizarre last two holes for Smith after a perfect start.
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Wrong year for Rory to finally play well on a Masters Sunday.
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Did anybody notice how little Scheffler reacted after holing that chip? He smiled slightly, gave a couple of quick understated fist pumps, touched fists with his caddie, and that was about it. After picking his ball out of the cup, he barely acknowledged the screaming crowd. Back to business.
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Did anybody notice how little Scheffler reacted after holing that chip? He smiled slightly, gave a couple of quick understated fist pumps, touched fists with his caddie, and that was about it. After picking his ball out of the cup, he barely acknowledged the screaming crowd. Back to business.
Agreed. I was shocked. Looked like he holed a 7 footer for par.
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It would take an epic meltdown for this not to be over.
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It would take an epic meltdown for this not to be over.
Maybe. Rory or Smith could end at -9 and force a playoff without any meltdown.
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Maybe. Rory or Smith could end at -9 and force a playoff without any meltdown.
Rory needs to biridie out.
And Smith needs to stop melting down for himself to get to 9
So yeah, maybe it wont take a Scottie meltdown. But its going to take Scottie to play poorly mixed with Cam righting the ship quickly. His birdie on 10 being a good start.
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Rory needs to biridie out.
And Smith needs to stop melting down for himself to get to 9
So yeah, maybe it wont take a Scottie meltdown. But its going to take Scottie to play poorly mixed with Cam righting the ship quickly. His birdie on 10 being a good start.
No pressure Rory adding some yellow to that Wikipedia page
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Rory needs to biridie out.
And Smith needs to stop melting down for himself to get to 9
So yeah, maybe it wont take a Scottie meltdown. But its going to take Scottie to play poorly mixed with Cam righting the ship quickly. His birdie on 10 being a good start.
And its gone
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That pretty much sealed the deal. OUCH.
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Wow. Maybe Tower should play the last 6 holes for Smith?
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Sorry to see Cam meltdown at 12. Happens to the best of them every year.
I love how Scheffler lashes at the ball to create shots.
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Now it would take a collapse barring something extraordinary from Rory.
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Cam might just wanna pack it up
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Now it would take a collapse barring something extraordinary from Rory.
Not happening but that was a bizarre shot by Scheffler. Lay-up to about100 yards there. WTF?
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Cam might just wanna pack it up
Both of us would never have tripled 12.
:)
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Not happening but that was a bizarre shot by Scheffler. Lay-up to about100 yards there. WTF?
What a dumb post.
Scheffy showing a serious short game. :)
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Did Rory hole out on 18?
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What a dumb post.
Scheffy showing a serious short game. :)
I trust Scottie’s decision making and his caddie is a pretty good one, too.
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Can must think Tiger is in contention.
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Now it would take a collapse barring something extraordinary from Rory.
Well, Rory just did something extraordinary ... but he still needs a ton of help.
Scheffler up 3 after missing a very makeable birdie putt on 13.
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There's still a tiny chance for Rory. Wow a 64 doesn't suck.
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Wow, CBS totally eff’d that up. That’s really bad and can’t happen.
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Wow, CBS totally eff’d that up. That’s really bad and can’t happen.
Agreed.
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Did someone forget to tell Smith you can still get paid handsomsly for a T3 finish??
This meltdown is potentially costing quite the dough.
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Wow, CBS totally eff’d that up. That’s really bad and can’t happen.
They missed Rory and Morikawa live on their great shots.
CBS forced retirement some of their great technical people last year I believe....
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I trust Scottie’s decision making and his caddie is a pretty good one, too.
Ted is one of the best.
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The door has been slammed. You have to wonder if the floodgates could open for Scottie? He has a complete game and easy power.
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Ted is one of the best.
One of the best at getting banned from Twitter.
Everyone should be watching on ESPN+, no commercials.
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Worthy champion who left no doubt
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Scheffler is a fun player to watch. The future of golf is very bright with so many talented young players. Looking forward to some exciting battles among the under 30 group in coming years.
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Listening to Scottie Scheffler in the press conference . A really easy going young kid, laughs a lot. I really like his style. Very casual and non of the typical cliche answers.
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Listening to Scottie Scheffler in the press conference . A really easy going young kid, laughs a lot. I really like his style. Very casual and non of the typical cliche answers.
Not a bad day for the kid. 2 7m is a pretty solid paycheck. When you combine easy power/length with great height on your shots it tends to bode well on the golf course. It's a real shame I can't get quite the pop Scheffy does Herman. :)
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Not a bad day for the kid. 2 7m is a pretty solid paycheck. When you combine easy power/length with great height on your shots it tends to bode well on the golf course. It's a real shame I can't get quite the pop Scheffy does Herman. :)
2.7 mil? Damn, Muggs … that’s almost half what you made in March!
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2.7 mil? Damn, Muggs … that’s almost half what you made in March!
Lol. Let's see....so that's about 6m a month? Imagine how many titles we would have the next 30 yrs.
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Tiger points out in this article how his back will be in under pressure with his new swing. At some point , he needs to ask himself is it worth it to risk further back injuries ?
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/33713623/what-learned-tiger-woods-schedule-body-game-2022-masters
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Are you really surprised?
I am. J Peterman only paid $20K for JFKs clubs.
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I am. J Peterman only paid $20K for JFKs clubs.
I wonder how much JFKs Little Black Book went for....
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25 years ago today … Tiger won his first Masters.