Newport News Shooting

[MuggsyB]

I'm not looking for a gun control thread here but what can be done legally to a 6 yr old (or his/her parents) that shoots their teacher?  Whether she survives or not? Crazy.

[4everwarriors]

Those damn guns keep shootin' by themselves. Kinda like electric self driving cars, hey?

[tower912]

It is tragic.  Terrible parenting to allow a 6 year old access to a gun.  There is no way this doesn't become a gun control thread.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm not looking for a gun control thread here but what can be done legally to a 6 yr old (or his/her parents) that shoots their teacher?  Whether she survives or not? Crazy.

Freedom isn’t free

[Hards Alumni]

I'm not looking for a gun control thread here but what can be done legally to a 6 yr old (or his/her parents) that shoots their teacher?  Whether she survives or not? Crazy.

Access.  That's what can be done.  Remove access, require gun locks, etc.

If a crime occurs with a fire arm you own, you're an accessory to the crime unless you reported it stolen before the crime occurred.

[MuggsyB]

Access.  That's what can be done.  Remove access, require gun locks, etc.

If a crime occurs with a fire arm you own, you're an accessory to the crime unless you reported it stolen before the crime occurred.

I'm asking what can be done legally to this 6 yr old or his/her parents right now and after the fact.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm asking what can be done legally to this 6 yr old or his/her parents right now and after the fact.

Fry the kid

[Hards Alumni]

I'm asking what can be done legally to this 6 yr old or his/her parents right now and after the fact.

Abort the 6 year old and deport the parents.

but honestly, there are already laws that deal with this.

[MU82]

The only way to stop a bad first-grader with a gun is a good first-grader with a gun.

Access.  That's what can be done.  Remove access, require gun locks, etc.

If a crime occurs with a fire arm you own, you're an accessory to the crime unless you reported it stolen before the crime occurred.

Sure, this, if you're gonna get all serious on us.

But clearly, we need more guns in school. Everybody should be packin'!!

[Pakuni]

If we had the common sense to arm teachers, she could have blown this little punk's head off before he got a shot off.

[Pakuni]

I'm asking what can be done legally to this 6 yr old or his/her parents right now and after the fact.

Nothing can be done to the kid.
A 6-year-old can't possibly understand the criminality of his actions here.

[Jockey]

The only way to stop a bad first-grader with a gun is a good first-grader with a gun.

Sure, this, if you're gonna get all serious on us.

But clearly, we need more guns in school. Everybody should be packin'!!

Exactly.

If the teacher was packin’, she could have blown the little sucker three ways into tomorrow before he knew what hit him.

[Mucubfan]

There are more guns than people in this country. This is to be expected.

Long live the guns.

[wadesworld]

Those damn guns keep shootin' by themselves. Kinda like electric self driving cars, hey?

I always see heroin shooting itself into peoples' arms.  We should legalize all drugs.  They aren't the issue, it's what people do with them.

See how dumb that is?

[4everwarriors]

People hell bent on causing harm to others will find another way, if its not with guns. Hell, you learn to make a bomb on the internet. See how ridiculous your argument is? People, aka evil, mind-fooked, idiots are the problem. See how easy it is to find the common denominator, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

People hell bent on causing harm to others will find another way, if its not with guns. Hell, you learn to make a bomb on the internet. See how ridiculous your argument is? People, aka evil, mind-fooked, idiots are the problem. See how easy it is to find the common denominator, hey?

Agreed.  That’s why we should legalize drugs

[wadesworld]

People hell bent on causing harm to others will find another way, if its not with guns. Hell, you learn to make a bomb on the internet. See how ridiculous your argument is? People, aka evil, mind-fooked, idiots are the problem. See how easy it is to find the common denominator, hey?

Do you think lover 30 people would die in Newtown if the school shooter was using a knife instead of an assault rifle? Is he able to break the doors in to gain entry with a knife?

But yes. Why do we have any laws in this country? Bad people will do bad things regardless of laws. Legalize everything. Fraud isn’t happening without people carrying it out. Drugs aren’t killing people without people putting them to use. Can’t sexually assault someone without humans making a decision. Why have rules against any of these things?

Solution: lock yourself in a Mequon basement to protect yourself from this scary world.

[tower912]

A 6 year old.

Brought a gun to school.


And shot a teacher.


And 4ever did whatever the hell that was.


When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

People hell bent on causing harm to others will find another way, if its not with guns. Hell, you learn to make a bomb on the internet. See how ridiculous your argument is? People, aka evil, mind-fooked, idiots are the problem. See how easy it is to find the common denominator, hey?

Is your argument that without access to a gun, the 6 year old would have found another way to put his teacher in critical condition?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Is your argument that without access to a gun, the 6 year old would have found another way to put his teacher in critical condition?

Lol yeah that piece of “logic” wasn’t well thought through.

[Pakuni]

Is your argument that without access to a gun, the 6 year old would have found another way to put his teacher in critical condition?

That and he apparently believes a 6--year-old child is evil.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

People hell bent on causing harm to others will find another way, if its not with guns. Hell, you learn to make a bomb on the internet. See how ridiculous your argument is? People, aka evil, mind-fooked, idiots are the problem. See how easy it is to find the common denominator, hey?

A truly predictable and idiotic argument. Congrats.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

That and he apparently believes a 6--year-old child is evil.

[MU82]

For those who say nothing can be done ... red flag laws apparently work -- even in Florida and even though gun-lovers claim otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/politics/red-flag-laws-mass-shootings.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20230117&instance_id=82907&nl=the-morning&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=122715&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Seagull Alternative High School sits behind locked gates and a chain-link fence, a complex of low-slung buildings that provides an academic home for pregnant teenagers and students at risk of dropping out. On a Tuesday in early October, it was a target of the kind of threat that every school official dreads.

“I just might come to yo school and kill everybody,” a 17-year-old who had previously attended the school wrote in an Instagram message to a student, according to police records. He singled out the principal and a behavioral specialist and sent a chilling photograph: a handgun and an assault rifle, splayed out on a bed, with Seagull Alternative High School written across the top of the image.

Informed of the threat, law enforcement officials in Fort Lauderdale moved quickly. Making use of Florida’s so-called red flag law, the police obtained an order from a judge allowing them to remove any guns in the young man’s possession.

Gun safety activists and public health experts say that such orders — often known as extreme risk protection orders, or ERPOs — are a way to prevent mass shootings in a country that has been plagued by them. Nineteen states and the District of Columbia now have red flag laws, up from just two states a decade ago.

Advocates are pressing for more states — including Michigan and Minnesota, where Democrats recently took control of state legislatures — to pass them this year. Only two states controlled by Republicans, Florida and Indiana, have such laws.

Nineteen states and the District of Columbia have red flag laws, which authorize courts to issue temporary orders enabling law enforcement to remove firearms from people who are deemed dangerous.

The massacre at a Buffalo supermarket raised questions about why the suspect had not been subject to a red flag order. Such orders are most widely used in New York in Suffolk County.

Gun rights groups argue that the laws violate due process — the right to have one’s case heard in court. Erich Pratt, the senior vice president of Gun Owners of America, said the laws “don’t work,” citing back-to-back mass shootings in November in Colorado, which adopted a red flag law in 2019, and Virginia, which did so in 2020.

But a growing body of public health research suggests that the laws may prevent gun violence at least some of the time. A recent six-state study of more than 6,700 ERPO cases found that nearly 10 percent involved threats to kill at least three people.

Indeed, backers say the laws are not being used aggressively enough because law enforcement agencies lack the training or bandwidth to pursue court orders, and many people do not know the laws exist. Congress, recognizing these problems, passed bipartisan legislation last year that provides $750 million for state crisis intervention programs, including red flag laws.

[4everwarriors]

Caca de toro! Highland Park has some of the strictest gun control measures on the books, including assault weapons. Sick and evil twisted people will always find a way. Hell, you can easily learn to construct a bomb on the internet and the Idaho killer used a knife. Quit being an apologetic and delusional excuse fabricator. Its the people, its the people, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Caca de toro! Highland Park has some of the strictest gun control measures on the books, including assault weapons. Sick and evil twisted people will always find a way. Hell, you can easily learn to construct a bomb on the internet and the Idaho killer used a knife. Quit being an apologetic and delusional excuse fabricator. Its the people, its the people, hey?

Yup.  That’s why I don’t follow any traffic laws or drug laws

[Pakuni]

Caca de toro! Highland Park has some of the strictest gun control measures on the books, including assault weapons. Sick and evil twisted people will always find a way. Hell, you can easily learn to construct a bomb on the internet and the Idaho killer used a knife. Quit being an apologetic and delusional excuse fabricator. Its the people, its the people, hey?

Let's outlaw people.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Caca de toro! Highland Park has some of the strictest gun control measures on the books, including assault weapons. Sick and evil twisted people will always find a way. Hell, you can easily learn to construct a bomb on the internet and the Idaho killer used a knife. Quit being an apologetic and delusional excuse fabricator. Its the people, its the people, hey?

So we shouldn't do anything unless it is 100% effective?  Where else do we apply that level of logic to our society?  Especially when there are countless examples of common sense laws being effective in other socieities?

Someone here is suffering from delusion, but it certainly isn't MU82.

[MU82]

"It's not a gun issue, it's a mental health issue!"

"OK, whenever possible, let's keep guns away from those with mental health issues."

"What? And take away their freedom to pack ARs? Commie!"

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Caca de toro! Highland Park has some of the strictest gun control measures on the books, including assault weapons. Sick and evil twisted people will always find a way.

I did a google search, as of today, no one at Seagull Alternative High School has been murdered since the judge took away this sick and evil person's guns. How is this possible if they will always find a way?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

So we shouldn't do anything unless it is 100% effective?  Where else do we apply that level of logic to our society?  Especially when there are countless examples of common sense laws being effective in other socieities?

Someone here is suffering from delusion, but it certainly isn't MU82.

It's always the same old recycled stupidity that has been shown to be illogical non-sense a hundred times before, weak minds regurgitating failed talking points.

[4everwarriors]

Damn Smithy, wee finally agree on somethin', aina?

[MUBurrow]

Caca de toro! Highland Park has some of the strictest gun control measures on the books, including assault weapons. Sick and evil twisted people will always find a way. Hell, you can easily learn to construct a bomb on the internet and the Idaho killer used a knife. Quit being an apologetic and delusional excuse fabricator. Its the people, its the people, hey?

It is soothing to believe that murders are the product of undeterrable and uniquely evil people, but that is incorrect.  Murders are just really probability coming home to roost.  The number of evil people - and their motivation - will be roughly constant. The number of murders is therefore dependent on the other, amoral factors that surround those evil people. Access to tools of murder, and the rate at which they can be used to kill, is one of those significant factors.

[dgies9156]

Brother Mugsy et al:

The question raised was what legally can be done about it.

Clearly, the adults overseeing the child were negligent. Legally, the injured teacher can and probably should litigate the matter in civil court. Damages should be off the wall.

Depending on homeowners insurance caps and the personal net worth of the parents, there is some financial responsibility that can be required. Beyond that, unless you can prove the parents are criminally negligent, not sure there's anything else.

[MU82]

It is soothing to believe that murders are the product of undeterrable and uniquely evil people, but that is incorrect.  Murders are just really probability coming home to roost.  The number of evil people - and their motivation - will be roughly constant. The number of murders is therefore dependent on the other, amoral factors that surround those evil people. Access to tools of murder, and the rate at which they can be used to kill, is one of those significant factors.

Yep. More than half domestic partner murders are done with guns. Spouses/significant others argue ... a gun is handy because FREEDOM! ... and bang. Was the shooter inherently "evil"? Was Kyle Rittenhouse "evil"? How about George Zimmerman?

Easy access to guns make it easier for both evil and "regular" people to kill. The proliferation of guns makes it easier for 6-year-olds to kill, too.

But yeah, if that evil first-grader really was intent on killing, he'd have done it with a purple nurple or by farting his victim to death. So never mind.

[MU82]

From the WSJ:

6,542 -- The number of firearms the TSA discovered in carry-on bags in 2022—the highest number of violations since it was founded in 2001. The agency said 88% of the guns were considered loaded.

Disappointed it wasn't more. We need more guns being sneaked onto airplanes. Freedom!

[4everwarriors]

Vigilantes, hey?

[Babybluejeans]

Gun deaths by country in 2019

1. Brazil — 49,436
2. United States — 37,038
3. Venezuela — 28,515
4. Mexico — 22,116
5. India — 14,710
6. Colombia — 13,169
7. Philippines — 9,267
8. Guatemala — 5,980

The U.S. has the highest gun ownership per capita in the world. Nice company we're keeping, eh?

[JWags85]

Gun deaths by country in 2019

1. Brazil — 49,436
2. United States — 37,038
3. Venezuela — 28,515
4. Mexico — 22,116
5. India — 14,710
6. Colombia — 13,169
7. Philippines — 9,267
8. Guatemala — 5,980

The U.S. has the highest gun ownership per capita in the world. Nice company we're keeping, eh?

I'm highly confident the numbers in both Mexico and India are under-reported, but yes thats dubious company

[MU82]

Brazil has even more evil first-graders than we do.

[MU82]

[MU82]

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. — In the hours before a 6-year-old boy shot his first-grade teacher in Virginia this month, school leaders were warned three times that the boy might have a gun, a lawyer for the teacher said on Wednesday, including requests from employees to search the boy’s pockets and a report from another child who said that the boy had shown him the gun at recess.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/us/newport-news-shooting-teacher-superintendent-school-board.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20230125&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=123481&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

[tower912]

That heroic teacher is going to get paid.