Oso planning to go pro
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11247946/chicago-bulls-join-cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-trade-push?ex_cid=sportscenterFBPro: I would be happy with Love in Chicago.Con: I would not be happy with Butler in Minnesota.
I don't get the Kevin Love love. Sure, he is a good player, but he hasn't shown any sign that he is a great player.Chris Bosh - last 2 seasons in Toronto averaged 23 and 10.5Kevin Love - Last 2 full seasons in Minny averaged 23 and 13.8 (about 500 more minutes than Bosh).In other words, Love is 3 rebounds a game better than Bosh6 seasons in the league - 0 playoff appearances.Has Love ever made any other player on the floor better other than Kevin Love.Injury history - Love has only played 60 or more games 3 out of 6 seasons. Bosh has played at least 65 games 10 out of 11 years.So, Bosh was at least as good of a player when he went to Miami as Love is going to wherever he goes. Bosh was considered a good player, a guy who would be a great 3rd wheel. But Love is considered a top 10 player in the league by many. I don't get it.Someone show me where I am wrong.
I don't know if Love is a top-10 player or not, but your comparison with Bosh helps illustrate why LeBron would love to have Love by his side.Bosh was in important player on a two-time championship team, and I'm guessing LeBron believes Love would help mightily in that regard.Michael and Scottie don't win six NBA titles without third wheels named Grant and Rodman; LeBron and Wade don't win two titles without the third wheel Bosh. Whether Love would be the third wheel or Irving would be, that's a pretty nice trio along with LeBron.I have a feeling we agree on all of this ...
Yup. I was playing devil's advocate more than speaking bad of Love.I guess the question for the Cavs is whether Love is better than wiggins in three years.
Cavs have a really good situation but I think LBJ is putting pressure on them to get Love. Getting Love would be a bad move for them. They have Wiggins who could be a very good player, maybe great, and his rookie contract give them the flexibility to get key role players around Irving, LBJ, and Wiggins. Let's face it, a Irving, LBJ, and Love combo with a bunch of old guys on Vets min contracts is not going to be a quality defense.
Legit question, though if I have a legit chance to win big now I care a little less about 3 years from now.So the big question the Cavs have to ask is: In the Eastern Conference, does LeBron-Love-Irving-etc give us a good chance to at least get to the NBA Finals? And I wouldn't blame them for answering, "Yes," even though I still believe the Bulls with Rose healthy will be the class of the conference.
I often see this attack on players, but it is a hard metric to judge. One could easily ask if Lebron has made anyone on the court better besides himself. Most players (Bosh, Wade, Big Z) have done worse along side Lebron than they did with him. One could argue that those players were getting old and less useful, but it can't be proven one way or another.
I may be reading this wrong, but you could not be further from the truth if you tried. And it can be proven very easily.Without Lebron, the 3 players have 1 Finals appearance in over 20 years.With Lebron, they have 9 Finals appearances in 17 seasons.
This Bulls stuff is all nonsense. Wolves are leaking this "report" to build a market. Don't buy into it for a second.
If I'm the Cavs, I would hang onto Wiggins. With LeBron and Kyrie they're probably already among the top couple teams in the East, and have a good shot at making the Finals. Let Wiggins grow up for a few years playing with LeBron, and you potentially have an excellent team with an excellent bridge to the future as LeBron inevitably winds down. The Cavs are in a very enviable spot where they don't have to sacrifice the future to be very good now.
Lebron isn't waiting "for a few years" on Wiggins.Unless you can consistently build a team from the draft the path to an NBA title has become pretty obvious. You get a superstar and surround him with talent to win ASAP. You don't wait to have talent develop around him.With the exception of the Spurs, who are truly exceptional at what they do, look at the list of recent NBA champions. They all fit that model.The Heat...Mavericks...Lakers...
Wiggins will probably be awesome in two or three years...or he could be one of those lottery picks who we later learn was overrated (Adam Morrison, anyone? Shaun Livingston? DARKO MILICIC?).Love is a known elite-level player who could help the Cavs win championships asap...which is exactly what LBJ and Cavs fans want.