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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 94Warrior on January 11, 2020, 05:37:59 PM
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At the open practice this year Wojo specifically said, we were much more dangerous this season. We had the ability to attack the basket AND shoot from the perimeter. He assured us we would not be so one dimensional and much more difficult to guard - and I believed him.
He lied.
We launch 3's, we don't get to the free throw line, we don't attack the basket and we don't put any pressure on the defense. Same soft offense we have been seeing for years under Wojo.
In addition, the turnovers continue to be a huge problem and defensively we can't defend without fouling, as we have seen each of the last 6 years.
I have defended Wojo for 5 years. And, as badly as I want him to succeed, it is clear his approach is not working. I don't want to start over, and lose our recruiting class, but it might be time to move on.
I won't be fooled the next time he lies to the fanbase.
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At the open practice this year Wojo specifically said, we were much more dangerous this season. We had the ability to attack the basket AND shoot from the perimeter. He assured us we would not be so one dimensional and much more difficult to guard - and I believed him.
He lied.
We launch 3's, we don't get to the free throw line, we don't attack the basket and we don't put any pressure on the defense. Same soft offense we have been seeing for years under Wojo.
In addition, the turnovers continue to be a huge problem and defensively we can't defend without fouling, as we have seen each of the last 6 years.
I have defended Wojo for 5 years. And, as badly as I want him to succeed, it is clear his approach is not working. I don't want to start over, and lose our recruiting class, but it might be time to move on.
I won't be fooled the next time he lies to the fanbase.
Amen. I'm done. This was going to be the year. It's not gonna be.
I said in another thread, the Hauser brothers were smart.
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Fluff
He has been out of his league for a few years. I have said it many times, he was not an assistant for 30 years because he was highly sought after. Funny thing, ball Godfather,Doc Rivers, rubber stamped this hire.
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I don't know how soft they are but Wojo's offense never gets them any easy looks. SH is not a good offensive team and they consistently got slams and easy layups. Wojo's offense is all about getting nba talent and just letting them improvise. Worked at Duke. Won't work here.
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Woj likely wuz nice ta Austin, hey?
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What kind of kool aid were you drinking to think this roster would be anything other than one dimensional!??????
Lets axe this coattail riding loser before we become loyola north
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I don't know how soft they are but Wojo's offense never gets them any easy looks. SH is not a good offensive team and they consistently got slams and easy layups. Wojo's offense is all about getting nba talent and just letting them improvise. Worked at Duke. Won't work here.
It's one dimensional. They can only score one way.
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It's one dimensional. They can only score one way.
What was telling was when we were down by 9 and they showed the huddle. Wojo was preaching how it’s a 3 possession game, which is 100% true, but also shows he doesn’t even try to get ball inside. If we’re not hitting from 3 we’re lost. Zero inside game
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Amen. I'm done. This was going to be the year. It's not gonna be.
I said in another thread, the Hauser brothers were smart.
No doubt on the Hausers. They took a ton of crap here on Scoop after the transfer, but they will have the last laugh.
This team is bottom level BE talent (other than Howard). And, the worst part it is old talent.
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Grad transfers are fookin' awful, hey?
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I never understood the "fear of rebuilding" concern. Assuming this teams wins 6--7 BE games in 2019-20 with all of your recruits, etc. a one year drop to 3-5 wins isn't that big of a deal. With the buy games, a rebuilding season should be around .500.
Secondly, what is so special about a sub 500 BE finish, quick exits in the BET, and infrequent NCAA bids resulting in blowouts?
The only question is whether another coach would be more successful given the circumstances and resources.
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I don't know how soft they are but Wojo's offense never gets them any easy looks. SH is not a good offensive team and they consistently got slams and easy layups. Wojo's offense is all about getting nba talent and just letting them improvise. Worked at Duke. Won't work here.
True, soft was a bad choice of words. Absolutely one dimensional.
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I'd rather rebuild than watch next year's class underperform and/or transfer.
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True, soft was a bad choice of words. Absolutely one dimensional.
They're both.
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Warrior of Law
Agreed. You never keep a coach over a fear of a rebuild. That is how you are a bubble team for six years. Bite the bullet and move forward.
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I never understood the "fear of rebuilding" concern. Assuming this teams wins 6--7 BE games in 2019-20 with all of your recruits, etc. a one year drop to 3-5 wins isn't that big of a deal. With the buy games, a rebuilding season should be around .500.
Secondly, what is so special about a sub 500 BE finish, quick exits in the BET, and infrequent NCAA bids resulting in blowouts?
The only question is whether another coach would be more successful given the circumstances and resources.
Yeah I'll wait until after to see how we are half way through but if it's bad I may have to jump on board
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Yeah...the Hausers wouldn't make this the Top 5 team people were predicting last year. That was a fallacy all along. So...whatever
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Fluff
He has been out of his league for a few years. I have said it many times, he was not an assistant for 30 years because he was highly sought after. Funny thing, ball Godfather,Doc Rivers, rubber stamped this hire.
I guess he was probably like an assistant on the floor when he was 13 years old. Should’ve consulted Goose instead of Doc Rivers.
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Looks like we significantly over rated the talent. is there any player on this team that has lived up to expectations? other than howard?
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Looks like we significantly over rated the talent. is there any player on this team that has lived up to expectations? other than howard?
Cain. I had no expectations for him. And he’s done that!!!
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Looks like we significantly over rated the talent. is there any player on this team that has lived up to expectations? other than howard?
I’d argue almost all of them did. This wasn’t a very highly rated roster coming out of high school.
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Looks like we significantly over rated the talent. is there any player on this team that has lived up to expectations? other than howard?
Not consistently. Everyone has shown flashes, but the inability to find any consistent play outside of Markus is maddening.
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Hey, it could be worse. We could be North Carolina!
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Not consistently. Everyone has shown flashes, but the inability to find any consistent play outside of Markus is maddening.
Theo is especially frustrating to me. He markedly improved from frosh to soph seasons. Seems like he has regressed a bit this season.
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Woj didn't coach 'im up, hey?
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Looks like we significantly over rated the talent. is there any player on this team that has lived up to expectations? other than howard?
Maybe (though Johnson for sure. Seven footers dint grad transfer if they’re any good, they go pro), or maybe it’s the “Let Markus do whatever the he’ll he wants” offense. He’s over 40% shooting only once in BE games (42.5% against PC) and other than USC his only game over 50% against a high major is 6-12 against Purdue. 12 shots is about right. The Hausers were right to complain.
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Looks like we significantly over rated the talent. is there any player on this team that has lived up to expectations? other than howard?
McEwen is an all-conference talent. For whatever reason, Wojo can't get it out of him.
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Woj got in bed wit Markus from da jump and bye golly he's goin' down wit da fookin' ship, aina?
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I don't know how soft they are but Wojo's offense never gets them any easy looks.
MU had a crap ton of open looks, they just failed to make many, many of them.
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At the open practice this year Wojo specifically said, we were much more dangerous this season. We had the ability to attack the basket AND shoot from the perimeter. He assured us we would not be so one dimensional and much more difficult to guard - and I believed him.
He lied.
We launch 3's, we don't get to the free throw line, we don't attack the basket and we don't put any pressure on the defense. Same soft offense we have been seeing for years under Wojo.
In addition, the turnovers continue to be a huge problem and defensively we can't defend without fouling, as we have seen each of the last 6 years.
I have defended Wojo for 5 years. And, as badly as I want him to succeed, it is clear his approach is not working. I don't want to start over, and lose our recruiting class, but it might be time to move on.
I won't be fooled the next time he lies to the fanbase.
You are wrong.
We are 19th in the country in shooting FT's 19th. You don't get to the FT line without putting pressure on the defense.
We are 312th in the country in 2P shooting %. So when we do get to the rim or feed the post, we are missing shots. Today Theo missed two bunnies, Jayce traveled on another. Even Markus has missed in the lane more than he has in the past. Guys are at the point where they are no passing up decent shots in the lane for whatever reason.
And the last 7 games, our TO% has actually been pretty good to really good.
So bitch about Wojo, but at least get some facts straight when you do.
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You are wrong.
We are 19th in the country in shooting FT's 19th. You don't get to the FT line without putting pressure on the defense.
We are 312th in the country in 2P shooting %. So when we do get to the rim or feed the post, we are missing shots. Today Theo missed two bunnies, Jayce traveled on another. Even Markus has missed in the lane more than he has in the past. Guys are at the point where they are no passing up decent shots in the lane for whatever reason.
And the last 7 games, our TO% has actually been pretty good to really good.
So bitch about Wojo, but at least get some facts straight when you do.
Your last line is where I'm at. I'm disappointed with the start to conference play. There is a lot to complain about, so at least make valid complaints.
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Sucks our NC schedule went to hell. USC 81 Kenpom, Kansas state is 7-7 overall & sub 100. And our best win Purdue just lost its 7th game heading into Michigan State & @ Maryland next
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Sucks our NC schedule went to hell. USC 81 Kenpom, Kansas state is 7-7 overall & sub 100. And our best win Purdue just lost its 7th game heading into Michigan State & @ Maryland next
It didn’t go to hell. Those teams just aren’t very good.
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Ewe watchin' hour games? Wee fookin' went ta hell, hey?
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It didn’t go to hell. Those teams just aren’t very good.
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McEwen is an all-conference talent. For whatever reason, Wojo can't get it out of him.
Which conference?
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McEwen is an all-conference talent. For whatever reason, Wojo can't get it out of him.
Is that the same way Jayce is average but Wojo just can’t get it out of him?
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Den da 'hole teem iz constipated, hey?
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Is that the same way Jayce is average but Wojo just can’t get it out of him?
Jayce was our best big for the 2nd consecutive game
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Jayce was our best big for the 2nd consecutive game
Yup, he’s good
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😂😂😂
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Jayce was our best big for the 2nd consecutive game
Top turd on the dung pile.
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Ah huh, J Squared had 2 pts and 8 boards in 21 minutes, hey?
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Is that the same way Jayce is average but Wojo just can’t get it out of him?
Yes - remarkable comparison.
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Ah huh, J Squared had 2 pts and 8 boards in 21 minutes, hey?
This is how I know our fan base is delusional. Jayce Johnson is a steaming pile of crap. As physically ungifted as any 7 footer in division 1 basketball.
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Which conference?
Eastern or Western Conference. He'll be in the NBA.
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Top turd on the dung pile.
Yeah, I mean it's not great. Just odd to me to direct the complaining towards Jayce after the past 2 games.
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Eastern or Western Conference. He'll be in the NBA.
Who are you talking about? Koby? He can’t even make a layup or even hit the rim.
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Who are you talking about? Koby? He can’t even make a layup or even hit the rim.
Hit two threes today and a reverse layup. No airballs that I recall.
Again, there are a lot of real issues to complain about. Keep your complaints accurate and critical and the board will be far more tolerable.
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Top turd on the dung pile.
This is funny. Thanks for the laugh.
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Hit two threes today and a reverse layup. No airballs that I recall.
Again, there are a lot of real issues to complain about. Keep your complaints accurate and critical and the board will be far more tolerable.
Yes, I was referring to the Providence game. He was decent today I guess. He’ll not sniff the NBA
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Yes, I was referring to the Providence game. He was decent today I guess. He’ll not sniff the NBA
We agree there.
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MU had a crap ton of open looks, they just failed to make many, many of them.
They absolutely did. I was tired of hearing about how good SH’s defense has been best in nation last 5 games, blah, blah, blah. Unbelievable how guys at this level miss so many good looks. Inexcusable.
Bailey is especially frustrating. He has talent, but it’s still not translating to any consistency. He missed a lot of good looks that may have swung momentum in the 2nd half.
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McEwen is an all-conference talent. For whatever reason, Wojo can't get it out of him.
You’re leaving out a critical detail...which conference that was in. We’re finding out first hand how wide the gap is from MWC to BE. There’s a few exceptions I’m sure, but he isn’t one of them
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Anyone that thought our NC was going to help us at seeding time was not paying attention. We played one good team in NC and were run out of the gym. In addition, when all is said and done, the BE rankings will be much lowers than they were when conference play began.
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It didn’t go to hell. Those teams just aren’t very good.
We may not be either. The non conference schedule is meaningless if we don't win enough conference games to warrant a look by the NCAA.
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Eastern or Western Conference. He'll be in the NBA.
Is this a misplaced post from the 2000's about Wade?
I'm a huge fan of Howard but I don't see any NBA talent at MU right now.
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Eastern or Western Conference. He'll be in the NBA.
Namibia Basketball Association?
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Anyone that thought our NC was going to help us at seeding time was not paying attention. We played one good team in NC and were run out of the gym. In addition, when all is said and done, the BE rankings will be much lowers than they were when conference play began.
It's still going to help us because we went 10-2 with 4 top 100 wins and both losses are to top 40 teams. The cupcakes, mostly, are off to good/great starts in their league as well.
Our non-conference is a major reason we are projected to be a decent seed in the tournament despite a poor start to BE play.
It was a very well constructed schedule. Relatively easy on the court but tough on paper.
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The bubble is already busted unless we go on a 3 or 4 game win streak
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The bubble is already busted unless we go on a 3 or 4 game win streak
You have zero idea what you're talking about. 8-6 the rest of the season and we're in. 7-7 might even do it.
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It didn’t go to hell. Those teams just aren’t very good.
That not very good Purdue team is beating Michigan State at the moment by 17 points in the second half.
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That not very good Purdue team is beating Michigan State at the moment by 17 points in the second half.
There he is. Old man creepy cheeks.
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There he is. Old man creepy cheeks.
Using that real data and stuff again....yes, here I am.
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Using that real data and stuff again....yes, here I am.
It’s time for your afternoon nap. You’ll have plenty of time to argue with 20 and 30 year olds when you wake up. And of course after your diaper change.
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It’s time for your afternoon nap. You’ll have plenty of time to argue with 20 and 30 year olds when you wake up. And of course after your diaper change.
Im dead.
And yes this team is solidly bubble burst at the moment.
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This is how I know our fan base is delusional. Jayce Johnson is a steaming pile of crap. As physically ungifted as any 7 footer in division 1 basketball.
Yeah I'm not sure what people are seeing with him. The expectations must be really low. His height allows him to grab a few boards sometimes but I havent seen anything skill wise at all that separates him from any other 7 footer out there. As run of the mill as they come. One guy that had a decent skillset who I miss was luke fishahh.
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McEwen is an all-conference talent. For whatever reason, Wojo can't get it out of him.
Come on. Mcewen is so undisciplined and far from all-conference talent.
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Yeah I'm not sure what people are seeing with him. The expectations must be really low. His height allows him to grab a few boards sometimes but I havent seen anything skill wise at all that separates him from any other 7 footer out there. As run of the mill as they come. One guy that had a decent skillset who I miss was luke fishahh.
This is spot on. 100 percent. Nothing else needs to be said here. This is the story to a T.
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This is spot on. 100 percent. Nothing else needs to be said here. This is the story to a T.
The man simply has no skill. Being tall is not a skill. Some people on this board don’t seem to understand this.
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Im dead.
And yes this team is solidly bubble burst at the moment.
Every expert says you are wrong....which of course is no surprise to anyone.
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The man simply has no skill. Being tall is not a skill. Some people on this board don’t seem to understand this.
Being tall is one thing, using your tallness is another. Positioning, aggressively going after boards, etc. The problem is you have made up in your mind that people have anointed him....NO ONE HAS, but that's your pearl-clutching mode that you are doing. He is a serviceable big, a backup...that's what we brought him in here for. You make it sound like some people have couched him as an NBA player. NOPE. Not one person. I'm glad he's on the team, he has been a nice addition for rebounding and fouls...that's his role.
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Thais assuming the top 100 wins end up being top 100. We have played two good teams, Maryland and SH, and Nova might end being good. I believe the BE schedule is going to bring 6-7 BE teams way down from where they started conference play.
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Theo is especially frustrating to me. He markedly improved from frosh to soph seasons. Seems like he has regressed a bit this season.
Theo has torn ligaments or something in hand that will require surgery. He put it off u til after season, and is playing in pain.
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Theo has torn ligaments or something in hand that will require surgery. He put it off u til after season, and is playing in pain.
I love the dedication he’s showing to the team, but he absolutely needs surgery like yesterday. He’s nowhere near 100% and it’s negatively impacting his game.
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I love the dedication he’s showing to the team, but he absolutely needs surgery like yesterday. He’s nowhere near 100% and it’s negatively impacting his game.
If you don’t mind, Theo, the doctors and the staff will make that decision...not you.
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Theo has torn ligaments or something in hand that will require surgery. He put it off u til after season, and is playing in pain.
People flaming you for using injuries as an excuse in 3....2....1
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If you don’t mind, Theo, the doctors and the staff will make that decision...not you.
That’s incredible insight. Message board posters don’t have final say in player personnel moves? Did you learn that in your illustrious career in sports?
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Lol bring it!
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Lol bring it!
Fits your tough guy persona...
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Another reason they don't get the ball inside is that Theo and Jayce don't do much on offense. Feeding either of them results in:
Traveling, losing the ball or missing a shot from 2 feet.
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You have zero idea what you're talking about. 8-6 the rest of the season and we're in. 7-7 might even do it.
Do you believe personal attacks will change someone's mind?
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Do you believe personal attacks will change someone's mind?
I don't think that was a personal attack. No I don't think it would change his mind.
I try to avoid personal attacks. Will be better in the future.